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Isn't it POV to include "Aaron's death is not simply a personal tragedy, it is the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach. Decisions made by officials in the Massachusetts U.S. Attorney’s office and at MIT contributed to his death"? In fact, the section is filled with criticism of the charges; there's nothing neutral in that. [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] 21:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC) |
Isn't it POV to include "Aaron's death is not simply a personal tragedy, it is the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach. Decisions made by officials in the Massachusetts U.S. Attorney’s office and at MIT contributed to his death"? In fact, the section is filled with criticism of the charges; there's nothing neutral in that. [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] 21:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC) |
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'''Caution should be applied when identifying individuals who are discussed primarily in terms of a single event.''' When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated '''or has been intentionally concealed''', such as in certain court cases or occupations, '''it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context.''' When deciding whether to include a name, '''its publication in secondary sources other than news media,''' such as scholarly journals or the work of recognized experts, '''should be afforded greater weight than the brief appearance of names in news stories.''' Consider whether the inclusion of names of private living individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value. '''The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons.''' |
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The emphases are mine. The describe the girlfriend/partner's situation. The statement identifies its issuers as Swartz's "family and partner". That sure looks like "intentionally concealed" to me. Please consider [[WP:HARM]] and the [[Golden Rule]]. The name adds nothing to the wikipedia article. The newsrags have their standards, we have ours here on wikipedia. The two are not coterminous. Thank heavens. |
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Page creation
This is almost SPAM. There shouldn't be an Article Aaron Swartz created by himself. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 83.71.106.95 (talk • contribs)
- Check the history, please. User AaronSW made two tiny edits - linking to his personal site (perfectly valid, IMO, since the article is about him) and to clarify who runs the Summer Founders Program in which he participated. And he did it with his existing Wikipedia account, completely transparently, not as an anon IP. This is a perfectly valid article about a notable individual. -- Vary | Talk 05:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Come on! Look at the timestamps and admit that it is pretty obvious who the creator of this article was. --Raban 13:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- As I noted on the talk page, I didn't create the article. Someone I'd never heard of before (or since) did and emailed me to let me know. I checked the page, made a couple small corrections, and have otherwise left it alone except to revert vandalism and things. If you like, I can introduce you to the person who created the page and you can verify he's not me, but I don't see why it matters. AaronSw 19:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Raban: Maybe Aaron was emailed the creator. There are a number of possible explanations. Aaron is a noteable wikipedian with thousands of edits. He has said that he didn't create the page on the original AfD proposal. But even if he did create the page, we've still already gone through a AfD and it failed because enough people thought he was notable. —mako 16:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I fail to see why this is a notable individual. It's a guy who works at a startup company. Neither he nor his company are reputable, famous or successful. This person has no extensive academic or industrial record, so I baffled as to why he deserves anything remotely like an encyclopedic entry. It seems like yet another way to pimp one's company through Wikipedia.
There is also no evidence to support the claim that this person did not create his own page.
- This article has previously proposed for delection and the proposal ended with a decision to keep this article. Please read the AfD page and decide if you think something has changed between then and now that would make Aaron less notable and a similar proposal end differently. Personally, I see no absolutely reason why that would be the case. —mako 16:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- Aaron is somewhat well known for being the co-author of RSS, that makes this page valid.
The most notable thing about Aron Schwarz is his ego. His homepage is the temple of self-adulation. Maybe he is really talented, but if so, he still has to prove that. As long as he didn't do so, there's no need for an entry in the Wikipedia. RSS is a good idea, but as far as I know it was not his idea. He himself states that he co-authored RSS, which probably means that he is responsible for the specification, which is ridiculously bad and an expression of nearly total incomprehension of XML. Hm, maybe there's another notable thing about Aron: He is the perfect example for this errant hype about youth. If you wanna be really good at something, you have to learn and practice -- and this takes plenty of time. In the end, fortunately, nobody is hurt by the existence of this article, so what?! The nicest solution would be if Aron himself exercised some humility and proposed the deletion of this article. --Raban 12:59, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't think it's really appropriate for me to take a position on this article either way. Even if it was, I'm still bound by the same procedural limitation as you -- the article already failed at AfD. I'm curious what about my website is a temple of self-adulation. I simply describe the various things I've done, which seems to be standard practice. If you can give me some suggestions about what to change I'd love to fix it since that's definitely not what I want. As you rightly point out, my accomplishments are fairly trivial and due more to being in the right place at the right time than any personal talent. AaronSw 19:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm ashamed by your calm response to my exaggerated accusations. Hereby I retract them. My impression of what was going on here wasn't quite right. But it seems that I'm not the first who, based on the available material, supposed that this is a case of disproportionate vanity. There are in fact a few things that render that picture. One may be that you talk about yourself in the third person on your homepage. Apart from that, homepages of people about themselves are always problematic and prone to being classified as self-adulation. How do you think about that, Mako? ;-) Ok, I'm going to shut up now. --Raban 13:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- It makes me sick! Look at what his contribution to Zack Coburn (a notable intern at Arons firm) was: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zack_Coburn&diff=45658304&oldid=37082132 Nothing more than a reference to -- guess! --: Aron Schwarz. --Raban 13:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that is what I know about him. AaronSw 19:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Aaron's talk page is not a venue for you to vent about your frusterations with Aaron's ego, his age, the quality of the RSS specification, etc. If you think that new evidence that you have dug up is enough to get a different response on an AfD (I can't imagine that it is), please go ahead. Otherwise, please go vent privately somewhere. Also, as the article shows, his name is spelled Aaron. —mako 16:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- This is not Aaron's talk page. This is the talk page of an article about Aaron. However, your critique concerning my tone is justified -- I admit it. Nevertheless there are some things about this article that are clearly conflicting with the principles of Wikipedia. The fact that Aaron is a diligent contributor otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. In particular it doesn't give him the privilege to use Wikipedia as a Aaron Swartz TM public relations platform. Anyway, sorry for the tone and for the misspelling of his name. --Raban 17:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
FWIW I found this article expecting it to be here. 24.222.121.193 23:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
note about community essays?
Recently popular : essays about Wikip/media, written to correspond to his bid for the wikimedia board. Are the essays worth mention? There's something self-referential about it... +sj + 21:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- A bit self-referential but, IMHO, the best thing I've read from him and it was highly passed around. I don't have particularly strong feelings either way. —mako (talk•contribs) 15:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Images
These images are impossibly old and out of date. Doesn't somebody have a picture of Aaron that is not 6 years old? —mako (talk•contribs) 21:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- I contacted Aaron, got a more up to date picture in the public domain, and changed the article to include this instead of the old one. —mako (talk•contribs) 02:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
relevance
Beyond the question of who wrote it, this is an irrelevant biography. There are Nobel Laureates and nominees with smaller entries, and I think this reflects the "techie-bias" of Wikipedia. --Alexiusca 18:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- That's fine. People that agree with you have taken this to a articles for deletion vote and have lost. If you think things have changed in a way that will change the AfD, feel free to propose it again. I think it's unlikely. If you find Wikipedia lacking in articles on Nobel Laureates, perhaps you can spent more time improving these articles rather than complaining on the talk pages of people you feel are undeserving. —mako (talk•contribs) 06:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- If you've got a problem with the pages on Nobel Laureates being too short, go edit them and put more information on them, don't complain about it on a talkpage in a completely irrelevant article. I'm appalled that there's almost 30 pages for some TV series, and the page on Minutes of Arc is completely incomprehensible and might as well be deleted. However the people writing have more interest in a show like Battlestar Galactica than they do on Minutes of Arc; similarly writers are more interested about Aaron Swartz than they are about a Nobel Laureate. He may not deserve a longer page, but he is certainly notable and in online communities he's probably more notable than most Laureates are and that's where it counts. 213.249.187.120 14:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Minute of arc as last modified on 8 January 2013 at 02:13 is superbly written. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm using some software by Aaron, thought 'that name seems familiar', looked him up and found some useful context for the software I'm using on this page. I'm glad it hasn't been deleted, it is a useful page. Marinheiro (talk) 15:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
autobio edit
I've noticed a couple of inaccuracies in this article that have remained there for over a year. I got tired of waiting and fixed them myself, but I'd of course like the community to verify the edit to protect against unconscious bias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aaron_Swartz&diff=233995041&oldid=228057250
Justifications:
- the word "before" made it sound like the paragraph was out of chronological order; removing it makes it clearer that the decision not to return to Stanford occurred after the summer
- infogami failed to take off after the merger (at the time of the merger, neither site had taken off), so I moved these words
- Paul Graham did not encourage reddit to hire me as an engineer; the two companies merged. Paul Graham was the first to suggest the idea, but we of course were friends before that
- the discussion of Google Ads seems like an irrelevant aside
- technically I was asked to resign, not fired, as the cited article makes very clear
- it's worth noting that reddit used web.py, since that's how it got released
- I have finished moving
4 seems like the most arguable, but at least I've removed a blatant inaccuracy. AaronSw (talk) 20:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Asked to Resign
The article states that Aaron was asked to resign from wired; a point he confirmed in a comment. However no information is given as to why? Did he eat someones puppy? Scirocco6 (talk) 18:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- You may find the answer on his blog --83.160.198.125 (talk) 09:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC) (BTW I am not Aaron Swartz)
Content of the article
This article should be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia standards. Aaron Swartz is notable and he and his work should receive the attention it deserves. I can find no reference to his work on the Creative Commons (to which I hasten to add, Jimmy Wales is also credited). This alone should make him notable in an enviroment as Wikipedia. --83.160.198.125 (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Enjoyed your thoughts about WP from 2006
I have been reading from http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whorunswikipedia and the related articles and find them still relevant. Best wishes Greenmaven (talk) 12:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- Those articles were really ahead of the curve back in 2006! Prophetic in how Wikipedias (not just en.wiki) have gotten more and more hostile for outsiders. I think it's time for a movement to bring a little bit of Egypt to Wikipedia.--Sum (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this him in the news? "Harvard fellow could face 35 years in prison"
Is this him?
Harvard fellow could face 35 years in prison
128.103.247.133 (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Controversy#JSTOR
It seems that the 4 millions downloaded articles may also be the later released large amount Public domain articles. It seems meaningful for the case. Any information ? Yug (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- The article does not explain the case very well. I think the issue is that the accusation is the acquisition of public domain content in an illegal way, perhaps analogous to breaking into a library when it is closed to read books and not harm anything. I think the accusation is about digital locks which have special laws, and breaking locks even to access free resources is a serious crime. The article could use development. Does anyone know of key sources which explain the entire story? Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- There are number of references to press coverage, you might check them out. But no, the 4 million downloaded articles are not the same as the public domain articles. There is plausiblly some overlap, but determining the degree of overlap is unlikely to be possible until the evidence is introduced at the trial, still months away. But I think we can have confidence that the number of non-public domain articles that were part of the 4 million are a substantial fraction. jhawkinson (talk) 21:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Given that the case is still ongoing, I suggest that it be a minimal part of the article. This sort of legal matter is something that is generally not covered well by Wikipedia, as press articles are often wrong or misleading. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- I am interested in what details are available and if there is good comprehensive coverage that is not a press article about only a single aspect of the case then that ought to be in this article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Given that the case is still ongoing, I suggest that it be a minimal part of the article. This sort of legal matter is something that is generally not covered well by Wikipedia, as press articles are often wrong or misleading. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- There are number of references to press coverage, you might check them out. But no, the 4 million downloaded articles are not the same as the public domain articles. There is plausiblly some overlap, but determining the degree of overlap is unlikely to be possible until the evidence is introduced at the trial, still months away. But I think we can have confidence that the number of non-public domain articles that were part of the 4 million are a substantial fraction. jhawkinson (talk) 21:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Removed unsourced material and some non-notable comments
Some material on this page had been unsourced for months; other material has been unsourced for years. Some of it is subject to specific dispute; see, for example, http://betabeat.com/2011/07/rumors-acquisitions-did-reddit-have-a-third-co-founder/. This information should be properly sourced because it is potentially controversial, and it should not rely exclusively on the subject's claims (which appear in some contexts to be at least possibly overstated) or on other potentially exaggerated claims. In general, the subject's work often appears to be overstated. For example, he is occasionally identified as the 'inventor' of RSS when in fact he was one member of a large working group that authored an RSS specification that, though numbered 1.0, was not the first version of the specification.
In addition to the main purpose of my recent edits, regarding proper authority and accuracy, I have also removed some non-notable material and made some minor corrections. Most of these need no comment because they are minor. The only one that deserves comment is the removal of what I judged to be a non-notable 'opinion' quotation about the subject's pending criminal case. I happen to agree with the opinion (regarding the overuse of criminal prosecution in some cases), but its inclusion seemed unbalanced and arbitrary in the context of the article.
For what it is worth, I lean toward agreeing with those who have said that this subject does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards based on the cited material in the article. The criminal case has received some attention and coverage but probably does not merit a page of its own. The reasons for preserving the article that were presented in the relatively early AfD do not seem persuasive today, and in general the matter received little discussion then. But I do not feel strongly enough about the matter to renominate the article personally for deletion. Antiselfpromotion (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Your edits were about as thoughtful as your rather obvious special-interest username. It was hardly vandalism, so I don't see why you need to compare it to that – However by immediately repeating your edits you are clearly happy to begin edit warring. You deleted a number of refs from established authorities (JSTOR and boston.com), then deleted the rest of the content on the grounds that it was now unsourced. You deleted a number of refs from Aaron's own site, owing to your misunderstanding of policy: WP:RS is not a requirement that all references meet RS, or a ban upon self-published sources in addition – there was no reason whatsoever to blank these references. Of course you didn't consider using any of the tools like archive.org or boston.com itself (try [1]) to retrieve old copies of now-dead URLs.
- You blanked the section about the 14 year old Aaron Swartz and his work with the W3C, which is one of the most well-known things about him. You made zero effort to source this (the W3C would, I think, be considered a RS and their archives are pretty accessible [2]). I was part of the RSS & RDF working groups at this time - Swartz had a big influence and left a big recorded footprint. One of the refs you read (you did read them didn't you?) even includes a photo of the (I think) 15 year old Swartz with Larry Lessig.
- Strangely you left recent refs that related to the hacking incident, and that were critical of him, intact. You might wish to review WP:NPOV. You were also quite happy to swap "asked to resign" (which I understand to be the case) with "fired", presumably on the basis that "Fired" and "Wired" make a better pun for a T shirt.
- You claimed, "much of it is disputed, and the subject appears to inflate his credentials in many contexts that have been subject to dispute." which isn't even OR it's just sheer WP:MADEUP on your part. The only real issue about which that sort of statement could be made is the credit for Reddit, a topic where some quite possibly overblown claims have been made, but far less from Swartz than they have from outside commentators. Where art these "disputes" that you claim? Where are these "many" contexts? If you're going to defame the subject of an article, it's even more important to source that than for cases where hes being praised, perhaps without sources.
- Removing self promotion is of course a valuable goal that we all support. Two hundred edits? I think I hit that in a good week. This though was a poorly done hatchet job. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Your tone here is strange and hostile. You repeatedly call me 'lazy' and my work 'poorly done', but this is not about me or you. I'm not in competition with you or the number of edits you've made. You have, however, simply mischaracterized my edits. It is patently unfair to suggest I removed sources and then claimed material was unsourced, for example. Indeed, I explained this in my comments on the talk page.
- I can respond to each of the various things you suggest, but I'm not sure you're considering what I'm saying in a fair spirit. For example, I replaced 'asked to resign' with 'fired' because the only source on the matter (the subject's own) uses that word. It is also the word used in the article on Reddit. The pun was his, not mine, but it is still the word he used, and elaborated, in the one cited reference on the topic. His connection with the PCCC, outside claims that originate with him, are unclear, and I was unable to find reliable sources on the matter. This is something about which we should be very careful, as they are a political action committee and we are claiming a link with someone charged with federal felonies.
- I'm not clear what else in what you've written merits response; none of it seems germane to the reasons I offered on the article's talk page or to any of the specific edits that I spent time making. You seem to assume I have some animosity toward the subject, which I don't. My comments on the talk page concerning notability are not affected by whether he once worked with Larry Lessig or not.
- I'm sure you're more experienced with Wikipedia than I am, but the policies in question on this matter are clear: 'Sometimes editors will disagree on whether material is verifiable. The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material.' WP:BURDEN. This is why I will revert your hostile, knee-jerk reversion of my edits once again. My understanding is that you are the one engaging in an 'edit war', having reverted careful edits and restored disputed unreferenced material without cause using Twinkle. I am unclear precisely how to escalate the matter, but I will do that instead if you prefer, and if you or someone else instructs me how. In any case, I suggest that if you really think my edits are inappropriate, you leave them to someone else to revert, after they read this discussion and the comments I have made on the article's discussion page. Antiselfpromotion (talk) 01:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- A minor update: I was prepared to restore my edits per WP:BURDEN, for the reasons I described. But this was unnecessary because a significantly more experienced editor than I already did so on the same grounds. I have no personal stake in this matter, but I do not think that the way you have characterized my edits is fair, and I just want to state so for the record. Antiselfpromotion (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- (Note: I have reposted my reply above from from Andy Dingley's personal talk page, after he reposted his reply to my comments on that page here. I'm writing this just to avoid confusion. I suggest we continue any discussion, if necessary, here.) Antiselfpromotion (talk) 01:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Confirmation?
Uh-oh ... there may be confirmation :-( . I'm still a little hesitant, further confirms might be wise, given Wikipedia is not for breaking news. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 07:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- Seems the discussion forums are running it. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 07:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- New York Times obit :-( -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- Known method: hanging, people will want to know. 72.228.190.243 (talk) 20:05, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- New York Times obit :-( -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Demand Progress article
- Interestingly, the Demand Progress article was just deleted yesterday... If I were a crazy person, I'd think there was a RIAA-MPAA conspiracy retaliating against Swartz and Demand Progress for their involvement in defeating SOPA. Fortunately, I'm not a crazy person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.33.38 (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- That seems ridiculous to me. Demand Progress has over 1M people on its subscriber list, and has been cited not only by national media and in connection with SOPA but on the RIAA and MPAA blogs... It's sad that we've gotten to the point where only 2-3 !votes suffice to delete articles with significant edit histories; it looked quite reasonably written, if in need of a few more national media cites. – SJ + 21:33, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- Interestingly, the Demand Progress article was just deleted yesterday... If I were a crazy person, I'd think there was a RIAA-MPAA conspiracy retaliating against Swartz and Demand Progress for their involvement in defeating SOPA. Fortunately, I'm not a crazy person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.33.38 (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Let's ask for deletion review and work on gathering sources. Looking around, I'm finding a lot of sources covering actions they took, but not a lot covering the organization itself in detail:
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The question is whether this meets WP:ORGDEPTH. I think it does - it fits the criteria of "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability" and "extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization". Other thoughts? More sources? Dreamyshade (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- Here's a mention in the Economist: Everything is Connected – SJ +
Source links
- The Truth about Aaron Swartz’s “Crime” • Sbmeirow • Talk • 04:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia Username AaronSw in Article
I removed the username User:AaronSw in the article in the section about Wikipedia: (diff). I took a look at the list of Wikipedians who also have articles and for a small sample of articles I picked I don't see the Wikipedia user name included there: Jimmy Wales, Harald Tveit Alvestrand, David Weinberger, Michał Zalewski, Arthur Rubin, Sue Gardner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjjjjjjjjj (talk • contribs) 04:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- I inserted that username into the article when I originally wrote the Wikipedia section b/c it could be sourced. But since the others articles mentioned don't list their username I'm good with taking it out of this article and fully support your change. Thanks. --SouthernNights (talk) 12:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Footnoting Infogami/Reddit drama
There seems to be no disagreement that Swartz was co-owner of parent org Not a Bug after the merger, with controversy over the use of the term 'co-founder'. I moved details of the controversy to a footnote; not essential to the lede. – SJ + 08:39, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- Support. I think you made the right call there. For what it's worth, I did a little journalistic research on this a while back, and essentially came to the conclusion he was in the right, though there's a bit of complexity in the gory details. But I believe it's unarguable he had both equity and the formal title of "co-founder", so the dispute boils down to connotation. Basically, I think it's a case where the others made a deal they later wished they hadn't, but it's not something that's subject to a "clawback". -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 09:31, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
EL's
I have added a video to the EL's. I'm well aware of WP:EL but it seems to me that a brief commercial-free piece where Swartz concisely sums up the SOPA campaign merits inclusion, especially as it is the only direct video link. It is not copyvio, and will be useful to people wanting to gain insight into Swartz's personality as well as the SOPA campaign. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Another question. Should his twitter account be removed? Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- No. There continues to be an extremely high number of references to @aaronsw on Twitter (more so than prior to his death), and maintaining that link is useful. jhawkinson (talk) 10:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Namecoin
Maybe Aaron Swartz's contribution to developing and discussing the Namecoin project[1][2] is worth mentioning.
It is currently not widely used, but controversies like the ITU conference in Dubai around control of the internet show that in the future, a decentral, secure naming system could become extremely important for internet freedom.
- ^ Squaring the Triangle: Secure, Decentralized, Human-Readable Names, Aaron Swartz, 6. Januar 2011
- ^ Spelunking the Triangle: Exploring Aaron Swartz’s Take On Zooko’s Triangle Dan Kamninsky's blog, Dan Kaminsky, 13. Januar 2011
SOPA section
I was surprised that a SOPA section does not exist, so I have started one and included an expand section tag—I am not an expert on this subject, by any means, so the contributions of other copyeditors would be great.--Soulparadox (talk) 11:56, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Repetition
The information about potential fines and prison sentences is given twice over in two separate paragraphs. Read the article from top to bottom, and the repetition stands out. Uncle G (talk) 14:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Quinn Norton
Based on this BBC piece (where she is described as "Swartz's former partner"), and a piece by Quinn Norton herself, it appears that Swartz and Quinn Norton had a relationship. However, that is merely interpretation, albeit it strongly supported by those pieces - has anyone got any clearer sources? GiantSnowman 15:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity?
I've read from some sources that Swartz was Jewish, but they're not sites I'd consider especially reliable. He does have a somewhat Jewish physiognomy, so it's not implausible.≥ Is there any information on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.91.82 (talk) 22:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia does not describe people as Jewish based on their 'physiognomy'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- The fact that his funeral will be held at Central Avenue Synagogue is a more reliable indication; also: [3]. W\|/haledad (Talk to me) 16:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Then find an appropriate source, and add the necessary information to the article - though a source, rather than 'an indication', would be preferable... AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- The fact that his funeral will be held at Central Avenue Synagogue is a more reliable indication; also: [3]. W\|/haledad (Talk to me) 16:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Suicide or Alleged suicide?
Medicalscholar (talk · contribs) has changed the cause of death from just suicide to "Alleged suicide", even though I've notified him on his user talk page that there are sources that definitely say it was suicide. Could someone else check and switch it on the article page? Techman224Talk 06:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Removed. "A spokeswoman for New York's medical examiner later confirmed to Associated Press news agency that Mr Swartz had hanged himself." from BBC makes it clear. Ryan Vesey 14:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Link to petition getting caught in the spam filter
WP:RSes discuss the white house petition. To provide readers with a direct link, we must add an entry to the spam-filter whitelist. This has been proposed at WT:WHITELIST, but they seem to have a bit of a backlog, so if anyone could speed up the whitelisting, it would help the article. --HectorMoffet (talk) 06:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- What would make a direct link to the petition appropriate? I assume you want to add it to the external links section? Online petitions are specifically not allowed per WP:ELNO. Ryan Vesey 14:26, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not in EL, but just seemed appropriate to add an inline ref citation linking to WH site when the text discusses that specific site (along with the existing secondary source reference of course). I don't think such a reference would constitute "spam" in this context. --HectorMoffet (talk) 17:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's still unnecessary to include since secondary sources refer to the petition and can be used as the reference. Ryan Vesey 17:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- My standard practices is that if the article refers to a notable article, you cite both secondary and direct for the readers. Then if it's truly promotional, it will get removed the natural editorial process. It's a minor but noted pity that our standard consensus-driven article-making practice can't play itself out on this article because of an overly broad technical limitation that was never intended to have this precise effect. ---HectorMoffet (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the problem is but I did add an EL to Petition to posthumously pardon Aaron Swartz --My76Strat (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Okay-- apparently the filter was literally just choking on the word petition in the WH domain name. Good Work My76Strat, you've de-glitched the glitch. --HectorMoffet (talk) 18:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what the problem is but I did add an EL to Petition to posthumously pardon Aaron Swartz --My76Strat (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- My standard practices is that if the article refers to a notable article, you cite both secondary and direct for the readers. Then if it's truly promotional, it will get removed the natural editorial process. It's a minor but noted pity that our standard consensus-driven article-making practice can't play itself out on this article because of an overly broad technical limitation that was never intended to have this precise effect. ---HectorMoffet (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's still unnecessary to include since secondary sources refer to the petition and can be used as the reference. Ryan Vesey 17:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Not in EL, but just seemed appropriate to add an inline ref citation linking to WH site when the text discusses that specific site (along with the existing secondary source reference of course). I don't think such a reference would constitute "spam" in this context. --HectorMoffet (talk) 17:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Why was this archived? Discussion clearly wasn't finished. Including a link to an online petition is inappropriate. Ryan Vesey 18:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Quote in death section
Isn't it POV to include "Aaron's death is not simply a personal tragedy, it is the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach. Decisions made by officials in the Massachusetts U.S. Attorney’s office and at MIT contributed to his death"? In fact, the section is filled with criticism of the charges; there's nothing neutral in that. Ryan Vesey 21:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Caution should be applied when identifying individuals who are discussed primarily in terms of a single event. When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed, such as in certain court cases or occupations, it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context. When deciding whether to include a name, its publication in secondary sources other than news media, such as scholarly journals or the work of recognized experts, should be afforded greater weight than the brief appearance of names in news stories. Consider whether the inclusion of names of private living individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value. The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons.
The names of any immediate, ex, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject. However, names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced.
The emphases are mine. The describe the girlfriend/partner's situation. The statement identifies its issuers as Swartz's "family and partner". That sure looks like "intentionally concealed" to me. Please consider WP:HARM and the Golden Rule. The name adds nothing to the wikipedia article. The newsrags have their standards, we have ours here on wikipedia. The two are not coterminous. Thank heavens.
This is a WP:BLP issue. Please do not reinsert the name. If someone else does, please revert it unless we reach a talk page consensus otherwise. The "presumption in favor of privacy" noted in the policy above is clearly against inserting it. WP:3RR does not apply to BLP issues. David in DC (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)