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Zubeen is a celebrity not her wife how can she get verified account? [[User:Jitazg|Jitazg]] ([[User talk:Jitazg|talk]]) 14:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
Zubeen is a celebrity not her wife how can she get verified account? [[User:Jitazg|Jitazg]] ([[User talk:Jitazg|talk]]) 14:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:I'm not going to answer any more questions if you're not going to bother formatting your replies like a normal editor should be doing. Other people shouldn't have to clean up after you. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 17:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
:I'm not going to answer any more questions if you're not going to bother formatting your replies like a normal editor should be doing. Other people shouldn't have to clean up after you. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 17:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== List of occupations == |
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Hi all! |
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In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zubeen_Garg&diff=972375456&oldid=972362827 this edit], I trimmed Garg's list of occupations, both in the lead sentence and in the infobox. |
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The old lead sentence was: "Garg ... is an Indian singer, music director, composer, lyricist, music producer, film director, film producer, actor and philanthropist." |
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My new lead sentence was: "Garg ... is an Indian singer." |
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I summarized my rationale in my edit summary. I wrote: {{quote|Simplifying lead sentence per [[MOS:ROLEBIO]], which says that the lead sentence "should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources". It should not be overloaded "with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable".}} |
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I also made six other edits. |
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{{u|Jitazg}}, you reverted all seven of my edits in one unexplained edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zubeen_Garg&diff=972408806&oldid=972406981 (Diff.)]. |
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I restored my seven edits, explaining my rationale. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zubeen_Garg&diff=972414103&oldid=972408806 (Diff.)] |
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{{u|Jitazg}}, you again reverted all of my work in one unexplained edit. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zubeen_Garg&diff=972467121&oldid=972414103 (Diff.)] |
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We need not discuss all seven of my edits now; it might be too complicated to discuss seven edits in one discussion. For now, maybe let's simply seek consensus regarding the list of occupations. |
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Dear {{u|Jitazg}}, dear {{u|Cyphoidbomb}}, and dear all: |
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Do you prefer the old, long list of occupations? And, if so, why? Or do you prefer the new occupation description ("Indian singer" only), because that is what [[MOS:ROLEBIO]] seems to favor? |
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I await your replies! |
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Kind regards, —[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] ([[User talk:Unforgettableid|talk]]) 10:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC) |
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@unforgettableid Sir would prefer the old long occupation list because he has done this all and i think we should give him that credit what he has contributed and he deserves it . Thank you. [[User:Jitazg|Jitazg]] ([[User talk:Jitazg|talk]]) 12:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC) |
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Proposed merge with List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg
This article appears to duplicate information contained in the main article Zubeen Garg. Any new information would perhaps be best folded into the main article. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Proposed merge with List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg
This is a relisting of merge proposal. Merge tags were previously removed by article creator. Article appears to lack sufficient notability for a stand alone article. Suggest merging into Zubeen Garg. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Weak support This isn't really a case of the song list lacking sufficient notability, as that information seems to be as relevant as the various other tables in Zubeen Garg. Meanwhile, looking at WP:MERGE, there is no overlap or duplicate issue (except for some recent efforts to add career highlights and fanpov), and the song list is extremely short. However, merging that to Zubeen Garg shouldn't result in an extremely large article WP:NOTPAPER. Thus, a rather weak ambivalent support - a merge won't hurt, but the song table is also sufficiently large that it could stand on its own. If a split is warranted, a better structure might be the main article (general career details) and a separate list of works (not just songs, but also the tables of films). Dl2000 (talk) 04:54, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
- Closing Discussion Result was no consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
add his birth name
Plz add his birth name... His birth name is Jibon Borthakur Raj das (talk) 07:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Jubin Borthakur Alankrit Borthakur (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Birth name Jiban borthakur Akshaysaikia91 (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- This change will never be made without a citation of a reliable source being provided that supports it. General Ization Talk 03:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
birth date
Add his birth date Alankrit Borthakur (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- As per my note at RFPP, the current source for his birthday is weak. A more reliable one would definitely be helpful, if one can be found. Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 22:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Circular reference
@Airplaneman: The about section of this official website is indeed WP:CIRCULAR. Thanks for pointing out that sir. I've removed it along with the content it supported. I've added a news source in support of the subject's birthday and birth place. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:16, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Missing Albums
A lot of Zubeen's works, especially the early albums are missing. They need to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.204.144.175 (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Have you looked at List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Indian
please change ((Indian)) to ((India))n 98.239.227.65 (talk) 13:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Done Although the correct formatting is [[India]]n. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Occupation and instrument parameters of the infobox are a cruft magnet
@Jitazg: Though I know you meant well in these edits, the additions you made to the |occupation=
and |instrument=
parameters of the infobox, as well as the lede, are excessive. The point of the |occupation=
parameter is to indicate what he is chiefly known for, not for every job the guy has had. You should ask yourself why we wrote an article about the subject. It's probably not for his screenwriting, but because he is an accomplished musician, singer, producer. It's probably questionable whether he should be indicated as a philanthropist, since that is not his main occupation. Same with |instrument=
. Versatile musicians can often play many instruments. Depending on their level and quality of education, it's even possible they can play all manner of instruments: strings, percussion, woodwinds, brass, etc. That doesn't mean we have to list every single one in the infobox and lede. We should only be listing the ones that he is chiefly known for playing. Otherwise, more editors will come by and add xylophone, cuica, harmonica, kazoo, party horn, sports whistle, etc. Keep it general, please so the lede and infobox don't get cluttered with useless details. If you want to indicate the various instruments he's played, then do so in prose somewhere in the body of the article. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Ok Jitazg (talk) 08:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Please add philanthropist again because it was from very writen on this page and i have not added philanthropist. It was written 3 years ago. Jitazg (talk) 08:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I had added script writer because he wrote the script of his of his own directed films. If we can add film director than we should also add script writer. Thank you Jitazg (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Unsubstantiated hyperbole
@Jitazg: This content is clearly unsubstantiated hyperbole that just comes across as meaningless puffery. Not only is the number of languages unsourced, but more importantly, the number of songs is not properly sourced. While you did attribute the claim to this New Indian Express article, the 20,000 figure is way off from the 16,000 figure in the article, and, the claim is attributed to Garg, the primary source, which we typically would not consider for a controversial claim, and, it sounds like some exaggeration he made in a fit of anger, like: "I've told you a million times not to lie!" The content, thus, is not adequately supported and just comes off as hyperbole stated in the spur of the moment.
Also, just do the math. If he has been working for 28 years, and has allegedly sung 20,000 songs, that means he sings 714 songs per year, or two songs per day. And what does that mean? Does that mean that he records this many new songs per day/year, (dubious) or just that he sings them, because I would imagine any professional singer (and probably many amateur ones) could make comparable claims if they just practiced for eight minutes each day. Doesn't seem like something that should be in the article until more clarity and better sources develop. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Do you actually know zubeen garg. I will adding be as many as citation is available . You are thinking i am adding rubbish . You first do a survey in assam and ask people that how many songs have sung by him you will get your answer. Jitazg (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- He had sung 36 in a night ( recording).
And sings around 7-10 songs per day Jitazg (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- And the citation i had added was 3 years old information Jitazg (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Jitazg: Let me answer your first question first: Do I know Zubeen Garg? No, I don't. Do you? Is he a friend of yours? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- No not as a friend as a leader i am in his fan club , i got the privilege to talk to him , and met him many times Jitazg (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Then you very well could have a conflict of interest, and Wikipedia isn't the place to promote subjects of your fandom. The resubmission of this content was also problematic because you used a potential copyright violation, the YouTube video, as well as allaboutmusic.in, which I guess is some random website you chose after typing "Zubeen Garg 16,000" into Google. Doesn't quite meet WP:RS, sorry. And again, without proper context, no reader could possibly understand what you mean by "he has sung 16,000 songs". If we mean that he has recorded that man, then that potentially could be included in the article provided that it was properly sourced (which so far it has not been). Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- No not as a friend as a leader i am in his fan club , i got the privilege to talk to him , and met him many times Jitazg (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes he has recorded 16k songs in his 28 year career and i had added YouTube video this time but you removed. Jitazg (talk) 21:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- And i didn't add anything thing which don't have any proper reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- 1) Please indent your responses the way that I am doing. 2) You don't need to sign every line. If you write a response, then want to add something to it, so long as nobody has responded, just add to it. 3) As I clearly explained, I removed the YouTube source as it is a potential copyright violation, which means that it is not adequately sourced. Not to mention that there is no assumption that "Sirf Sach" is a reliable mainstream source. So yes, you added content that you did not properly attribute to reliable sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- "sirf sach" is a reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 22:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Prove it. I don't see it at WP:ICTFSOURCES and there are zero hits at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, so nobody's ever discussed it. And please indent your responses properly. I'm not required to clean up after you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- "sirf sach" is a reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 22:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Real name
@Cyphoidbomb: Sir this FB account from which this source comes that supports the subjects real name in this article (used in the infobox) seems to be an unverified account. Will it be logical to use it? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Fylindfotberserk: Definitely should not be used. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Cyphoidbomb: OK, I'll remove the source, put a CN tag. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The Fb account is of Zubeen Garg's wife. Jitazg (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Jitazg: Please indent your replies like you've been asked to do before. Unverified Facebook accounts are not useful as references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
What more verification you than the wife of Zubeen Garg? Jitazg (talk) 10:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Jitazg: Anybody can add a few pictures of Mr. and Mrs. Garg and make a FB account. What we need is a verified account, that is with a small blue tick mark near the account name. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Zubeen is a celebrity not her wife how can she get verified account? Jitazg (talk) 14:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not going to answer any more questions if you're not going to bother formatting your replies like a normal editor should be doing. Other people shouldn't have to clean up after you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I've collapsed some low-priority comments which I wrote
(Below, you can find some comments which I've written. I've collapsed them, for now, because there are one or more higher-priority matters which I'd like to discuss first. If you wish to reply to a collapsed comment of mine, you may do so. But, if you do, preferably please move the thread out of the collapse box.)
Thank you! —Unforgettableid (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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Languages and dialects listed in lead sectionHi all! I looked at this article for the first time today. There's good information in it, but it definitely could use some improvement. I've removed the many languages and dialects listed in the lead paragraph; please see MOS:LEAD#Content and MOS:LEADNO. I might find it acceptable for us to add back three or four languages or dialects, plus a phrase such as "and others", if we wish. Please do not add back any more than that. Thank you! Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC) The collaborations table has a very unusual layoutHi all! The right-hand column of the Zubeen Garg § Collaborations with musicians and lyricists table has a very unusual layout, with all the numbers and parentheses in each cell. It's almost like there were an entire flattened nested sub-table inside every cell. If we wanted, we could just delete the whole table. I wonder whether or not the table really adds value to the article. And, even if so, I wonder if it might make sense for us to somehow restructure the information: for example, perhaps we could change the left table column into a simple list and delete the right table column. Your thoughts would be welcome. Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC) Perhaps our article should be split and/or shortenedHi all! Most of our article is made up of lists or tables. I wonder if it might be best for us to split some of them out into new articles. Please see Wikipedia:Summary style. Or maybe it might even make sense for us to remove some of them altogether. Please see:
For example, there's one table which lists Garg's film roles — even minor roles. But Wikipedia is not IMDb, and I'm not sure whether or not the minor roles should be listed. Maybe they should; maybe they shouldn't. I have no idea what'd be best. Your thoughts would be welcome. Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC) NotabilityOur article was created by Afzalraza (talk · contribs), about 15 years ago. Afzalraza has made about a dozen Wikipedia edits in total; most of these edits were to our article. By the time he was done creating our article, it looked like this. It looked quite promotional. Perhaps Afzalraza was either a superfan, paid, or had some COI. Such people often don't care about our inclusion criteria. Instead, they often ignore the criteria and simply create articles anyway. Our article is better now. Even so, I still am not sure whether or not Garg meets our modern-day inclusion criteria. I've added a {{Notability}} tag to the top of the article. Does Garg meet any of the inclusion criteria described at WP:NMUSIC? Does he not? I, myself, have no idea. Your thoughts would be welcome. Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC) |
List of occupations
Hi all!
A.)
In this edit, I trimmed Garg's list of occupations, both in the lead sentence and in the infobox.
The old lead sentence was: "Garg ... is an Indian singer, music director, composer, lyricist, music producer, film director, film producer, actor and philanthropist."
My new lead sentence was: "Garg ... is an Indian singer."
I summarized my rationale in my edit summary. I wrote:
Simplifying lead sentence per MOS:ROLEBIO, which says that the lead sentence "should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources". It should not be overloaded "with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable".
B.)
I also made six other edits.
C.)
Jitazg, you reverted all seven of my edits in one unexplained edit. (Diff.).
D.)
I restored my seven edits, explaining my rationale. (Diff.)
E.)
Jitazg, you again reverted all of my work in one unexplained edit. (Diff.)
F.)
We need not discuss all seven of my edits now; it might be too complicated to discuss seven edits in one discussion. For now, maybe let's simply seek consensus regarding the list of occupations.
Dear Jitazg, dear Cyphoidbomb, and dear all:
Do you prefer the old, long list of occupations? And, if so, why? Or do you prefer the new occupation description ("Indian singer" only), because that is what MOS:ROLEBIO seems to favor?
G.)
I await your replies!
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
@unforgettableid Sir would prefer the old long occupation list because he has done this all and i think we should give him that credit what he has contributed and he deserves it . Thank you. Jitazg (talk) 12:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)