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The last three are not currently mentioned in the article; they should be added. <span style="color:#666">– [[User:Sj|SJ]][[User Talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f90;"> +</font>]]</span> 02:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC) |
The last three are not currently mentioned in the article; they should be added. <span style="color:#666">– [[User:Sj|SJ]][[User Talk:Sj|<font style="color:#f90;"> +</font>]]</span> 02:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:I have a potential COI here, and I am largely ignorant, but I'd suggest scrapping the China paper. What's a Chinese source going to have on the others? By the way SJ, could you reply to my email when you get a chance? Thanks. [[User:Biosthmors|Biosthmors]] ([[User talk:Biosthmors|talk]]) <small>pls [[Wikipedia:Notifications#Features|notify]] me (i.e. {{[[Template:U|U]]}}) while signing a reply, thx</small> 02:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC) |
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Here is a list of articles about Suburban Express and it's controversies. I'm creating a section for it so others can contribute - please don't delete from it, though. It was started by AlmostGrad and moved to it's own section by NegatedVoid.
- International
- Pieuvre.ca (05/02/2013): Le pouvoir des masses numériques, pour le meilleur et pour le pire (Translation)
- China News (10/14/2013): 赴美留学:行前需多了解当地生活细节避免被骗 (Translation)
- National
- Ars Technica (04/26/2013): Express to Internet Hate: Bus company threatens redditor with lawsuit
- BoingBoing (04/27/2013): Suburban Express bus-line sends bullying, cowardly legal threat to Reddit, discovers Streisand Effect
- Popehat (04/28/2013): Suburban Express Took The First Bus To The Streisand Effect. Have They Disembarked In Time?
- Techdirt (04/29/2013): Bus Company Threatens Redditor With Lawsuit, Meets Ken White, Runs Away
- The Daily Dot (04/29/2013): Bus Company Threatens to Sue Redditor Over Bad Press
- Chicago Tribune (05/01/2013): Bus company's lawsuits anger students, parents
- Ars Technica (05/02/2013): Nonstop to schadenfreude: Suburban Express’ u-turn on reddit lawsuit
- American Bar Association Journal (05/03/2013): Cheap bus ticket included a trip to small-claims court for unwary students
- Slashdot (05/04/2013): Redditors (and Popehat) Versus a Bus Company
- Ars Technica (05/13/2013): Troll road: Bus company posts “dirt” on complaining passenger
- Techdirt (05/17/2013): Suburban Express Goes Double Or Nothing On Their Aggressive Behavior
- Ars Technica (06/19/2013): Bus company that threatened redditor with lawsuit tries to reopen suits
- Techdirt (06/24/2013): Suburban Express Wants Round 3: Re-Files Against Customers
- Ars Technica (06/25/2013): Bus co. owner threatens redditor yet again, records users’ IP addresses
- Uproxx (06/26/2013): Meet Suburban Express, The Bus Line Fighting A War With Reddit Over Negative Comments
- Popehat (07/29/2013): The Popehat Signal: Suburban Express Doubles Down On Attacks On Critics
- Techdirt (07/31/2013): The Popehat Signal Goes Out Against Suburban Express
- Regional
- The Daily Illini (04/19/2013): Suburban Express lawsuits lead to controversy on social media
- The Daily Illini (Editorial) (04/24/2013): Suburban Express mishandles student allegations
- Paxton Record (04/25/2013): Bus company suing UI students for violating 'terms and conditions'
- The Daily Illini (04/25/2013): Public addresses Illinois Student Senate regarding influx of student-aimed Suburban Express lawsuits
- The Daily Illini (Opinion Column) (04/25/2013): Suburban Express causes its own problems
- The Daily Illini (Letter to the Editor) (04/25/2013): UI should defend international students, disallow Suburban Express services
- The News Gazette (04/26/2013): Bus firm's lawsuits criticized
- The Daily Illini (04/26/2013): Suburban Express lawsuits reach 125 this year; conversation continues on Reddit
- Paxton Record (04/29/2013): After backlash, bus firm pledges to dismiss all suits
- The News Gazette (04/30/2013): Bus company promises to drop Ford lawsuits
- The News Gazette (05/01/2013): Bus lawsuits dismissed in Ford County
- Paxton Record (05/01/2013): Suburban Express lawsuits dropped
- The Daily Illini (05/01/2013): Suburban Express drops lawsuits and updates terms and conditions
- WCIA 3 News (05/01/2013): Bus company drops civil suits against students
- The Daily Illini (05/02/2013): UIUC Subreddit hits front page, Streisand effect leads to increased attention for Suburban Express lawsuits
- Kankakee Daily Journal (05/02/2013): Bus company drops lawsuits in Ford County against college student riders
- The Daily Illini (Editorial) (05/02/2013): University administrators absent in Suburban Express incidences
- Paxton Record (06/25/2013): Suburban Express wants to refile some of its cases
- The News Gazette (06/26/2013): Bus company wants to reinstate some lawsuits
- The Daily Illini (06/27/2013): Suburban Express lawsuits not gone for good
- WCIA 3 News (06/27/2013): Bus co. owner may refile lawsuits
- Paxton Record (07/30/2013): Judge grants motion to allow Suburban Express cases to be refiled
- News Gazette (07/30/2013): Judge allows bus company to refile some claims against passengers
- WCIA 3 News (07/30/2013): Bus owner in court
Newspaper articles provided by owner of company
The owner of the company has gotten permission to republish the newspaper articles linked below. Since he's blocked from editing, except for his talk page, I'm reposting this on his behalf (reformatted from the original).
Daily Herald
News-Gazette
Daily Illini
- copyright release
- article re: New cut-rate bus service
- article re: Illini Union Board budget matters - including Greyhound budget
- article re: Greyhound Predatory Pricing
- article Bad checks land students on World Wide Web
- letter to editor re: Bad checks article
- article re: 6th Wave Opens
- article re: ...but arguably screws up
—rybec 20:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, rybec. I've not looked at any of those to date, but they are definitely an important resource to any editors who ever come along and endeavor to improve the article, since so many of the sources in the article for the recent controversy are from borderline reliable? sources. N2e (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, starting to head towards sources is a good way out of what this article has been experiencing (even if there might be some selection bias for this particular list) . I've also not analyzed the above yet. North8000 (talk) 13:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- I glanced through all of them. Most look like real sources. (albeit hand-picked by the owner) The ones identified as releases or an LTTE aren't. Also the one on Grayhound commissions has only one "reduced commissions" factoid in it. BTW it seems like the company / name had 3-4 different in there. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, starting to head towards sources is a good way out of what this article has been experiencing (even if there might be some selection bias for this particular list) . I've also not analyzed the above yet. North8000 (talk) 13:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Legal disputes as mentioned in the lede
The current sentence in the lede on the legal disputes says:
"The company has had more than 200 legal disputes arising from alleged violations of its terms of service, leading students to criticize the bus service online."
That seems accurate, but could be more clear. The term "legal disputes" does not clarify directionality. If a company has been sued by customers or subcontractors or employees or vendors that is a rather different thing than the company filing legal actions against customers or subcontractors or employees or vendors. My sense is that the lede, in order to accurately summarize the article body, ought to clarify the directionality of the suits. From what I read in the sourced material in the body of the article, it seems the company has been doing the suing.
Since this page has recently been so contentious, I'm throwing the thought out here in order to discuss the general idea, before suggesting any particular words for such a change. What think others? N2e (talk) 19:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- "The company has filed at least 205 lawsuits over alleged..." would agree with the body of the article (209 - 4 = 205). —rybec 19:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
NFCR discussion of Suburban Express logo
There is a discussion about whether the file File:Sebanner white.png, used in the infobox, is in the public domain due to failing to meet the threshold of originality. You are welcome to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Non-free content review#File:Sebanner white.png. RJaguar3 | u | t 14:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Better sources needed
The most notable sources (all linked above) are:
- The original Daily Herald piece (currently ref #1 in the article)
- The Chicago Tribune
- China News
- The ABA Journal
The last three are not currently mentioned in the article; they should be added. – SJ + 02:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I have a potential COI here, and I am largely ignorant, but I'd suggest scrapping the China paper. What's a Chinese source going to have on the others? By the way SJ, could you reply to my email when you get a chance? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 02:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)