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::: Slightly facetious? Haha. Whatever. Yes, being the youngest driver to win a race, or championship for that matter, with two different team falls into the realm of what kind of underwear he was wearing and your little vignette on force india. If you wanna be taken serious, you might want to get more serious. Speak to the notability of the actual stat you have issue with or stop commenting with ridiculous exaggerations. [[User:Whatzinaname|Whatzinaname]] ([[User talk:Whatzinaname|talk]]) 20:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC) |
::: Slightly facetious? Haha. Whatever. Yes, being the youngest driver to win a race, or championship for that matter, with two different team falls into the realm of what kind of underwear he was wearing and your little vignette on force india. If you wanna be taken serious, you might want to get more serious. Speak to the notability of the actual stat you have issue with or stop commenting with ridiculous exaggerations. [[User:Whatzinaname|Whatzinaname]] ([[User talk:Whatzinaname|talk]]) 20:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::I think I can figure out what you're trying to say. Well, I would personally rank some of the crap that has appeared on this article with the underwear thing. I did address the records I've got an issue with, but it didn't seem to get through to you. Nobody in the real world gives a shit about how many times in a row anyone's finished in the top two. If you want to be taken seriously, try understanding what I've said to you, do what everyone else does and follow the rules. The guidelines are there - if you want to add something as a record, find a source for it '''as a record'''. If you don't get that, or if you think a source isn't necessary for your blinding trivia, it will get taken off. Your choice. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 21:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC) |
::::I think I can figure out what you're trying to say. Well, I would personally rank some of the crap that has appeared on this article with the underwear thing. I did address the records I've got an issue with, but it didn't seem to get through to you. Nobody in the real world gives a shit about how many times in a row anyone's finished in the top two. If you want to be taken seriously, try understanding what I've said to you, do what everyone else does and follow the rules. The guidelines are there - if you want to add something as a record, find a source for it '''as a record'''. If you don't get that, or if you think a source isn't necessary for your blinding trivia, it will get taken off. Your choice. [[User:Bretonbanquet|Bretonbanquet]] ([[User talk:Bretonbanquet|talk]]) 21:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::: Nobody gives a shit about how many times someone finishes in the top two, yet right in the bio section it lists how many podiums all formula one drivers have? So the top THREE is important, but the top TWO is irrelevant. Haha. it's pretty obvious at this point I can't take you serious any longer. You don't appear interested in improving this wiki, and probably not any other for that matter. You've seen and edited hamilton's wiki with some of the most absurd nonsensical records ever seen without a problem, but now you suddenly think winning racces and finishing in the top 2 is irrelevant, but being british is relevant. Big shcok.[[User:Whatzinaname|Whatzinaname]] ([[User talk:Whatzinaname|talk]]) 21:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Youngest ever F1 driver
This is a pretty woolly claim, since Vettel is not actually entered for the Turkish Grand Prix. He's a Friday test driver, and as such isn't really the youngest driver to take part in a Grand Prix. Bretonbanquet 11:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
He is the youngest driver to be involved in a GP weekend though! He is a stand in driver which still, is officially entered- as such, official stand in. Nat Lockwood.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Schumisalo (talk • contribs)
WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Car Naming
According to the BBC coverage before the Chinese GP Sebastien names his car with a females name! --Thelostlibertine (talk) 06:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8005641.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostlibertine (talk • contribs) 06:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- Current car name is "Kate's Dirty Sister" as Kate came to a end after shunt in the Australian Grand Prix. He also carries lucky coins in his pockets or boots when he is racing 213.218.242.73 (talk) 12:39, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- The 2011 cars name is "Kinky Kylie". --178.27.68.143 (talk) 20:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Picture
It seems rather unflattering - maybe there would be a better one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.113.27 (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- This is the only alternative available. I changed it to the current photo last month because it shows Vettel in the clothing of his new team, Red Bull.--Midgrid(talk) 18:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Holds 10 of holds 8?
The article says "Sebastian Vettel holds 10 entries in the list of Formula One driver records, of which he holds 8". Huh? Jpatokal (talk) 11:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- I've removed the references to number of records, as I believe it is inappropriate: the editor who added it was referring to another Wikipedia article (see Wikipedia:Self-references to avoid), whereas many of the actual statistics are not officially recorded and have no actual value, i.e. there is no FIA/Formula One "Hall of Fame" for the youngest driver to achieve x, y or z.--Midgrid(talk) 11:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Complete Formula One results
Umm, I'm here to ask about Vettel's complete F1 results. I believe that he was only a Test Driver for BMW for a while and therefore there is no need of a 2006 TD role. Several other articles would need this e.g. Kubica, Grosjean, Piquet Jr, Buemi, Liuzzi, Speed and many more. There have been many other unamed drivers who don't have TD roles e.g. Jules Bianchi, Hulkenberg and the old timer Jabouille. (Wiki id2 (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC))
- Vettel took part in the free practice sessions in 2006 as the BMW Sauber team's third driver. The "TD" stands for "Third Driver", not "Test Driver", and is only used for the relevant drivers from 2003 to 2006 such as Anthony Davidson, Allan McNish etc. It will be used again this year when Paul di Resta takes part in free practice for Force India.--Midgrid(talk) 19:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Latest results
Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel headed Ferrari's Fernando Alonso in second practice at the Canadian Grand Prix as McLaren failed to repeat their early pace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colormere (talk • contribs) 14:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Comparison to Michael Schumacher
Is this section necessary? They're both German Grand Prix winners; all the rest of the material in that section is just fluff or irrelevant details about Vettel's chassis names.--Midgrid(talk) 18:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
- I added a bit more Whatzinaname (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Coming from behind
The SpeedChannel commentary team not qualifying as reliable, is Vettel the only driver to win the title without having led the points chase? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 09:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- The second in history; James Hunt in the 1976 Formula One season also clinched the title without leading the championship before. GameLegend (talk) 09:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks awfully, old boy. :) Murray Walker degrees I understand 01:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Comparison with other articles on Formula One Drivers
When I compare the depth of this article with that of other Formula One driver articles, I can see that this is really lacking in information that I would like to see. For example, the page on Lewis Hamilton lists his driving records. It also has a section on Hamilton's driving style. Vettel is well known for qualifying pace - it's his strongest attribute in what makes him who he is. There should be emphasis on some of the qualifying margins e.g. "Vettel dominated qualifying again at the Chinese Grand Prix - lapping over seven tenths quicker than that of Jenson Button." He also had exceptional qualifying pace in STR.
Also reference to Vettel's various helmet designs would be nice to see. I would also like to have read how Vettel's many mistakes in 2010 resulted in negative criticism of his driving style, and quotes from a few important figures in Formula One who have said this. As Vettel is now a reigning World Champion, and looks likely to defend his crown, he should have as much or more information about him than the other drivers on the grid who have also won one championship, although I am slightly bias. AzEdw (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
2011 start to the season
I added that his current season start up to the 8th race is the second greatest in F1. Schumacher had a 7 win 1 DSQ. Vettel has six wins and 2 seconds. I know pretty much everyone would much rather have the six wins and 2 second finishes, so maybe the wording could be changed. A lot of it is word smithing and semantics. I see schumacher's year as more dominant, but vettel's as better/greater.Whatzinaname (talk) 18:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Penalty record Missing
his record for getting a penalty SIX Seconds into his career is not mentioned, it should be since he was the youngest/fastest to do everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.37.210.100 (talk) 03:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Records
There are an alarming amount of fabricated records on this page. They are as follow:
- Most consecutive top two results (in both qualifying and race)
- Most consecutive top two results (in both qualifying and race), from the start of the season
- Youngest Grand Prix winner for 2 different teams
- Youngest Grand Prix winner at the same track on 2 occasions
- World Champion having not been championship leader before in the season
These are not recognised statistics. They have all been made by pro-Vettel editors, who are making statistics simply to bolster the image of the driver. None of them have ever been recorded by any credible author. He doesn't actually hold the record for the final one. It's shared with James Hunt.
Please remove these accordingly, as my attempt to reduce the list to appropriate records are simply reverted and I am the one who is accused of being a negative influence on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by THMW (talk • contribs) 11:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I agree - I think any "record" not included in the Formula One records article should not be included, unless it is as an aside in the main body of the article.--Midgrid(talk) 12:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I fear such a viewpoint, that the record(s) should have to be on the aformentioned page, will just result in these editors putting those statistics on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by THMW (talk • contribs) 16:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- You are going to have to define "recognized statistics", and then you ill have to cite part of the wikipedia rules that precludes such stats being on a wiki page. If, in your summation, the more abstract or minutia-like records bother you, you can take solace in that they are way down at the bottom of the page and don't district from the article, down at the bottom for the more wonkish F1 followers. Wikipedia is generally inclusive of information, unless it detracts somehow from the article. I don't see it here, as it is merely at the bottom, not even really in the article. 99.9% of readers will probably never even read it. as long as the more esoteric ones don't clog up the actual article itself, I fail to see the problem. Just glancing at hamiton's wiki, you he even has a record lsited for being a british driver. I'm sure there is some mention of his racial heritage, too. Neither of these are officially recorded stats in F1.Whatzinaname (talk) 17:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- The first thing that needs to be fixed is that not a single one of these records is cited. Anything that can't be reliably sourced as a record should go, either as non-notable fancruft or WP:OR. As far as defining "recognised statistics" goes, it means statistics that can be accurately sourced from a reliable source. Bollocks like "Most consecutive top two results (in both qualifying and race), from the start of the season" is WP:OR, synthesised from the statistics. It's not a recognised record anywhere else, nor is it even slightly important. Hamilton's stats and records should be discussed at Talk:Lewis Hamilton and similar non-records listed there should also go. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I agree about some of them needing some kind of cite-able references, but I do not agree that is what was being referred to. He called the records "fabricated", not un-sourced. Quite the differenceWhatzinaname (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not some of them - all of them. And if some of these records turn out to be unsourceable, then they are indeed fabricated. It amounts to the same thing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I personally don't care if something gets sourced if I know it's true. Unsourced does not mean fabricated, far from it. Whatzinaname (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- They have been fabricated by one or more editors, regardless of whether or not they are true. I could put a record on Fernando Alonso's page stating that he won the 500th Formula One Grand Prix. It's a record, but it's not recognised by any reputable source. It's just a meaningless statistic, not a 'record' in its truest sense. THMW (talk) 18:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- (e/c) It really doesn't matter what anyone personally thinks. I'm not saying the stat itself is untrue, but if there's no reference anywhere to it being a record then it's not a record, it's unsourced and will be deleted from any records table. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- well, it depends. some records are deduced logically. For instance, if there was a cite that he was the youngest driver to be on the podium, and you look at the cite and it says that he won the race. You can logically deduce he was the youngest to also win a race, as you can't win a race and not place on the podium. I'm not a stats expert o F!, btu that's where I assume the youngest to win with 2 different teams comes from. As if he surpassed the age of the last record holder with both his wins at STR and RB, it's simple logical deduction that does not require its own cite.Whatzinaname (talk) 19:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I personally don't care if something gets sourced if I know it's true. Unsourced does not mean fabricated, far from it. Whatzinaname (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Not some of them - all of them. And if some of these records turn out to be unsourceable, then they are indeed fabricated. It amounts to the same thing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I agree about some of them needing some kind of cite-able references, but I do not agree that is what was being referred to. He called the records "fabricated", not un-sourced. Quite the differenceWhatzinaname (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I fear such a viewpoint, that the record(s) should have to be on the aformentioned page, will just result in these editors putting those statistics on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by THMW (talk • contribs) 16:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Not strictly true. Read WP:SYN - you can't "logically deduce" a stat into a record. It's just a stat. To claim it as a record, it has to be down as a record in some kind of reliable source. Otherwise, practically any stat can be claimed as a record. Maybe he's the only guy to win a race wearing women's underwear - maybe you can find a reliable source to say it's true - but that does not make it a record. It would need a source saying it's a record before we can say it's a record. This also satisfies WP:N. So he's the youngest guy to win with two different teams - so what? Why is it notable? Who was the last "record holder"? Without a source to back it up, it's just trivia, lacking notability. Maybe a driver has finished 11th more times than any other. You can deduce it from the results table. So what? It's just a meaningless stat, not a record. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- a logical deduction means it's a true deduction. If the data(original cite) concurs and is true, then it is not synthesis at all. You are purely stating a fact. And let's not conflate notability with factuality. If you want to debate something's notability, fine, but most records for sports stars contain a great deal of informational statistics that in and of itself is not "notable" in the general sense. Look at all the F1 drivers and look a the bios,; they all say how many races they have driven. Unless you hold some record for most races driven, what is the notability for that? And a record is a statistic. So? You can say all records are "just a stat". But a record is something that hasn't been accomplished before, which in most cases makes it notable in a sports-sense.Whatzinaname (talk) 19:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you're purely stating a fact, then it'd be fine. But you're calling it a record when nobody else on the planet has done so in a reliable source. You can't compare an obscure "record" like some of these we've mentioned with a stat for the number of races a driver has entered. 'Races entered' is basic biographical info which is easily citable from dozens of reliable sources. No, just because nobody has done it before, that does not make it notable. That simply isn't true. A footballer scores for Liverpool in the 26th minute and the 35th minute, then gets booked in the 40th minute. Maybe it hasn't happened before - is it a notable record? Of course not, and nobody would claim that it is. An F1 driver is the first guy ever to pit on the 6th lap while running 10th for Force India. Is that notable? No. These are slightly facetious examples, but there has to be a dividing line between the abstract and the meaningful, and that means a citation. If we're calling something a record, then a reliable source has to be found to say it's specifically a record - that is a simple law of Wikipedia and there's no getting round it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Slightly facetious? Haha. Whatever. Yes, being the youngest driver to win a race, or championship for that matter, with two different team falls into the realm of what kind of underwear he was wearing and your little vignette on force india. If you wanna be taken serious, you might want to get more serious. Speak to the notability of the actual stat you have issue with or stop commenting with ridiculous exaggerations. Whatzinaname (talk) 20:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I think I can figure out what you're trying to say. Well, I would personally rank some of the crap that has appeared on this article with the underwear thing. I did address the records I've got an issue with, but it didn't seem to get through to you. Nobody in the real world gives a shit about how many times in a row anyone's finished in the top two. If you want to be taken seriously, try understanding what I've said to you, do what everyone else does and follow the rules. The guidelines are there - if you want to add something as a record, find a source for it as a record. If you don't get that, or if you think a source isn't necessary for your blinding trivia, it will get taken off. Your choice. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nobody gives a shit about how many times someone finishes in the top two, yet right in the bio section it lists how many podiums all formula one drivers have? So the top THREE is important, but the top TWO is irrelevant. Haha. it's pretty obvious at this point I can't take you serious any longer. You don't appear interested in improving this wiki, and probably not any other for that matter. You've seen and edited hamilton's wiki with some of the most absurd nonsensical records ever seen without a problem, but now you suddenly think winning racces and finishing in the top 2 is irrelevant, but being british is relevant. Big shcok.Whatzinaname (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- I think I can figure out what you're trying to say. Well, I would personally rank some of the crap that has appeared on this article with the underwear thing. I did address the records I've got an issue with, but it didn't seem to get through to you. Nobody in the real world gives a shit about how many times in a row anyone's finished in the top two. If you want to be taken seriously, try understanding what I've said to you, do what everyone else does and follow the rules. The guidelines are there - if you want to add something as a record, find a source for it as a record. If you don't get that, or if you think a source isn't necessary for your blinding trivia, it will get taken off. Your choice. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- Slightly facetious? Haha. Whatever. Yes, being the youngest driver to win a race, or championship for that matter, with two different team falls into the realm of what kind of underwear he was wearing and your little vignette on force india. If you wanna be taken serious, you might want to get more serious. Speak to the notability of the actual stat you have issue with or stop commenting with ridiculous exaggerations. Whatzinaname (talk) 20:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you're purely stating a fact, then it'd be fine. But you're calling it a record when nobody else on the planet has done so in a reliable source. You can't compare an obscure "record" like some of these we've mentioned with a stat for the number of races a driver has entered. 'Races entered' is basic biographical info which is easily citable from dozens of reliable sources. No, just because nobody has done it before, that does not make it notable. That simply isn't true. A footballer scores for Liverpool in the 26th minute and the 35th minute, then gets booked in the 40th minute. Maybe it hasn't happened before - is it a notable record? Of course not, and nobody would claim that it is. An F1 driver is the first guy ever to pit on the 6th lap while running 10th for Force India. Is that notable? No. These are slightly facetious examples, but there has to be a dividing line between the abstract and the meaningful, and that means a citation. If we're calling something a record, then a reliable source has to be found to say it's specifically a record - that is a simple law of Wikipedia and there's no getting round it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)