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:::::B2C, there must be a basic misunderstanding here for you to respond like that. There's not much point in considering proportions of upcased vs downcased initials if a good proportion of the sample includes text that uses generic title case by default, no matter what. The practice is clear only by considering case in the main text, not titles and subtitles. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk) </font >]] 12:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
:::::B2C, there must be a basic misunderstanding here for you to respond like that. There's not much point in considering proportions of upcased vs downcased initials if a good proportion of the sample includes text that uses generic title case by default, no matter what. The practice is clear only by considering case in the main text, not titles and subtitles. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk) </font >]] 12:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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::::::Indeed. Please explain. Why would we not use ''title case'' in our, you know, ''titles''? Especially if all other reliable source articles on this topic use this name in title case in their titles? --[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 16:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
::::::Indeed. Please explain. Why would we not use ''title case'' in our, you know, ''titles''? Especially if all other reliable source articles on this topic use this name in title case in their titles? --[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 16:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::::[[WP:TITLEFORMAT]]. "Titles are written in sentence case. ... Words are not capitalized unless they would be so in running text." [[User:Huwmanbeing|╠╣uw]] <span style="font-size:smaller"><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Huwmanbeing|talk]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></span> 19:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC) |
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Ok, I expanded the page after planning on doing so for quite some time. My only worry is the quotes: I have a mix of italics and quotation marks and I can't decide which one looks better or is more proper. --Tothebarricades 02:50, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
The controls themselves
Other than in the introduction, there seems to be nothing about the wage controls themselves. It's a big hole in the article. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Requested move 6 March 2015
Seattle General Strike → Seattle general strike – Most better sources (e.g. books) don't capitalize this. Per MOS:CAPS, we don't capitalize where unnecessary. Dicklyon (talk) 04:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Evidence
Sources as summarized by Google n-grams (also these n-grams) are mostly lower case. Dicklyon (talk) 04:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The phrase in which caps often occur, as shown by the n-grams link, "of the Seattle General Strike", is often due to mentions of the "History Committee of the Seattle General Strike Committee"; these counts don't suggest capitalization in general. Dicklyon (talk) 04:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Survey and Discussion
- Support as nom – per the evidence and guidelines. Dicklyon (talk) 04:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose I can't find any ngrams for Seattle General Strike Committee, and generally caps seems to have gotten more popular[1]. --В²C ☎ 22:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- In any case the current title is certainly commonly used in reliable sources[2]. What's the good reason argument that overcomes the WP:TITLECHANGES hurdle? --В²C ☎ 23:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- WP:TITLECHANGES is about controversial titles. Nobody is really discussing a different title here, just a simple style fix to conform with guidelines. Dicklyon (talk) 04:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- The four-gram is not so common as to make the cut, but it influences the trigram counts, as you can see if you click through to the book search. In any case, lowercase is clearly more common in sources, as the n-gram links show. Dicklyon (talk) 04:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Come on, Dick. That's because you put the "the" article in your n-gram search. We're looking for name usage, which usually is without a the: [3]. --В²C ☎ 18:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Come on, B2C. The only places you find "Seattle General Strike" without "the" in front of it is in titles and headings, which are usually in title case. These counts don't bear on the question of whether it would be capitalized in sentence case, which is what we need to know for the article title since WP style is to set titles in sentence case, not title case. See more detailed n-grams. Dicklyon (talk) 05:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- Come on, Dick. That's because you put the "the" article in your n-gram search. We're looking for name usage, which usually is without a the: [3]. --В²C ☎ 18:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- In any case the current title is certainly commonly used in reliable sources[2]. What's the good reason argument that overcomes the WP:TITLECHANGES hurdle? --В²C ☎ 23:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support—I find Dicklyon's arguments and evidence convincing. What is the issue with "the"? Tony (talk) 11:25, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- Tony1, why is this evidence not convincing? --В²C ☎ 18:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- B2C, there must be a basic misunderstanding here for you to respond like that. There's not much point in considering proportions of upcased vs downcased initials if a good proportion of the sample includes text that uses generic title case by default, no matter what. The practice is clear only by considering case in the main text, not titles and subtitles. Tony (talk) 12:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed. Please explain. Why would we not use title case in our, you know, titles? Especially if all other reliable source articles on this topic use this name in title case in their titles? --В²C ☎ 16:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- WP:TITLEFORMAT. "Titles are written in sentence case. ... Words are not capitalized unless they would be so in running text." ╠╣uw [talk] 19:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed. Please explain. Why would we not use title case in our, you know, titles? Especially if all other reliable source articles on this topic use this name in title case in their titles? --В²C ☎ 16:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- B2C, there must be a basic misunderstanding here for you to respond like that. There's not much point in considering proportions of upcased vs downcased initials if a good proportion of the sample includes text that uses generic title case by default, no matter what. The practice is clear only by considering case in the main text, not titles and subtitles. Tony (talk) 12:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)