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::: May I also indicate that 'Bracelets...Circlets, headbands, Diadem, Hair ties, some types of Tiara, Anklets, Bangles and Chokers' are ''not'' generally considered "rings". And no one said anything specifically about them. They do fall into another category and I see what you mean. However, you are trying to ignore toe rings, nose rings, and earrings.—[[User:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#800080">'''Djathink'''</span>]][[User talk:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#FF00FF">'''imacowboy'''</span>]] 03:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC) |
::: May I also indicate that 'Bracelets...Circlets, headbands, Diadem, Hair ties, some types of Tiara, Anklets, Bangles and Chokers' are ''not'' generally considered "rings". And no one said anything specifically about them. They do fall into another category and I see what you mean. However, you are trying to ignore toe rings, nose rings, and earrings.—[[User:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#800080">'''Djathink'''</span>]][[User talk:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#FF00FF">'''imacowboy'''</span>]] 03:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC) |
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Geni, I was looking everything over and have a compromise. It seems to me this article ''should'' be about finger rings only. We have links to, and also mention, toe rings, nose rings and earrings. What if we do a generic sweep, sort of clean up the article the way you are thinking, and leave the other types of rings each to its own article? I think I see exactly what you are saying and I agree with you now I've thought more deeply about it.—[[User:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#800080">'''Djathink'''</span>]][[User talk:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#FF00FF">'''imacowboy'''</span>]] 03:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:: '''Please sign your posts.''' This sort of thing is subject to deletion if you insist on posting 'anonymously'.—[[User:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#800080">'''Djathink'''</span>]][[User talk:Djathinkimacowboy|<span style="color:#FF00FF">'''imacowboy'''</span>]] 03:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC) |
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What finger?
An interesting addition might be to indicate the finger different rings are traditionally worn on, if applicable (for instance, class ring - middle finger, right hand, according to a few sites I just visited to find the info). DonaNobisPacem 05:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
History of the Ring
I'd like see something about the history of the finger ring in the article T@nn 09:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
White men & rings
I find that white men have a higher rate of wearing rings than East Asians. What's up with that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.114.27.241 (talk) 03:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
Varity of meaning depending finger use.
Anyone know what it means to wear a ring on what finger? Around here it's 'mandatory' to wear a wedding ring on the ring finger, but what about other uses? What would it mean if one wears a signet ring on his middle finger for example? etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drakuun (talk • contribs) 21:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I too would be interested in this! --Fox5200 (talk) 10:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Masonic ring
I am cutting this from the list. There really isn't anything special about a masonic ring. It is simply a ring depicting masonic symbols, identifying the wearer as belonging to the Freemasons... it's no different than rings created for most fraternal societies. The list does not talk about Rotary rings, Knights of Columbus rings, or any of a dozen other fraternal societies that have rings. Perhaps an entry on "Fraternaty rings" would fit the bill better. Also, while many masonic rings depict the Square and Compasses (probably the best known masonic emblem), not all do. Some will depict other Masonic symbols. Thanks. Blueboar 15:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
English spelling variations
So, here in America jewelry is spelled with one L. I realize that in the UK, it's spelled "jewellery." That looks odd to me, and my spell checker on FireFox claims it's misspelled. If a Britton created this page, then okay. But if you're American, and you created this page, SHAME ON YOU for not knowing how to spell!! 66.218.202.9 (talk) 01:26, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
OK! so you made me think, and i wanted to research it a lil.
At dictionary.com Jewellery. came up but, Jewelery did also, but as a spelling mistake. And 30+ suggestions including numerous single 'L' spellings, all nouns. I am sure you can spell it either way, just to me what the dictionary explains, to me means, Jewelery is whats being sold. and Jewellery is what is owned, Strange. But thats what it seems to come up as noun difinitions. CHEERS! 116.199.208.54 (talk) 21:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Copyright violation
The following is taken word for word from the cited reference, which is a violation of copyright. I eliminated it from the article for this reason. "
Ring Symbolism[1]
The Symbolism of Rings
Rings are circles. In all cultures the circle is a symbol of unity and eternity, encompassing all. In early cultures, rings were considered magical or sacred through their association with the sun, moon and gods, thus giving protection to the wearer by binding one with power and energy.Some of the magical mythology of ancient times still influences how and why we wear rings. Kings, priests and healers wore rings on the index finger because that finger was thought to be especially powerful. Medicines were applied to the body with the index finger to give speed and power to their effect. Even today, wearers of healing gemstones wear the rings on the index finger to take the best advantage of the curing energies.
The strongest magical tradition that still holds fast today is the one about the fourth or ring finger. The ring finger was thought to contain a nerve that went directly to the heart. Wearing a wedding or engagement ring on the ring finger still symbolizes the binding commitment and union of hearts.
The Meaning of Fingers When Wearing Rings
The right and left hands
In the dual nature of man, the right and left hands are part of his whole being yet represent his twofold conscious and subconscious mind. The left hand (the subconscious) is a reflection of his deeply buried instinct, beliefs and attitudes. The right hand (the conscious) reflects his logic and his awareness. Wearing rings on your left hand could symbolize your unknowing wish to strengthen the powers associated with the finger that wears the ring. Rings on the right hand reflect your desire to control your life and actions.
The Thumb: Will Power
The thumb represents the self. Set apart from other fingers but working in unison with them to give strength to the hand that the others cannot, the thumb symbolized our self in our world. It is associated with logic and will power which govern our actions. Rings on the thumb symbolize freedom and independence of thought and action.
The Index Finger: Authority & Ambition
This finger reflects our need to enhance our ego. The forefinger, throughout history, has represented authority and power. It is associated with leadership and ambition. Kings, priests and healers wore rings on the index finger because that finger was thought to be especially powerful. Nowadays, people wear rings on the index finger as a display of assertiveness, or power.
The Middle Finger: Identity & Materialism
The middle finger is associated with our role in life. Being in the center of the hand, it symbolizes personal identity and those things that are at central to our world. Those wearing rings on the middle fingers are well balanced yet wish to be at the center of attention.
The Ring Finger: Emotion & Creativity
The fourth finger is associated with affections because it is the one with a direct connection to the heart. It also represents our creativity and artistic self. A wedding or engagement ring on this finger proclaims to the world that the wearer’s emotions and creative goals are committed to the giver of the ring. If the ring is acquired by the wearer instead of a mate, it symbolizes self worth and a commitment to one’s personal skills and talents.
Little Finger: Relationships
The little finger is at the opposite end from the thumb. While the thumb symbolizes the inner self, the little finger is associated with others outside of ourselves. It sits on the outside of our hands, facing the world. It is the relationship finger, expressing our attitudes towards other people, sex, and the material world. Rings on the little finger represent confidence and independence in personal and business relationships. Rings here can also express a person’s attitude about sexuality and how appealing they consider themselves to be. " Thanks. Theseeker4 (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Expansion urgently needed
This article is embarrassingly short or insufficient for an encyclopedia of the stature to which Wikipedia aspires to be. For a piece of jewelry as ancient and common as the ring there should be a lot more information. The history section alone should be at least as long as the article currently is. Earliest known rings, rings worn by the ancients, rings worn by royalty, famous rings, infamous rings, a section discussing the history of rings as fashion and as function (wedding rings, rings worn by officers in history). There is really so much more which belongs on this article. Photos of ancient rings, of modern rings, most common modern ring designs, social attitudes towards rings through history and in modern times (like wearing many rings in some parts of the world is fashionable, but in other parts it is considered vulgar). JayKeaton (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
What happened to the Spoken word version
It would seem that the spoken word version (see banner at top) got deleted. Tis a shame. -- Ϫ 22:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Eclarian ring delete?
I propose deletion of "eclarian ring" as I can find no citation of such a ring's existence or title other than sites which have copied Wikipedia's article directly. The description sounds like a conventional "spinner" ring with no particular significance to gay men or gay men's "beliefs," whatever those are. Religious? LGBT Pride? Rights? There is no historical or commercial information on such a ring. AtenRa (talk) 12:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The title seriously has to be changed...
I understand that in England it's spelled that way, but since there are more people in the United States than in the United Kingdom, it's more likely that an American will visit this page so it should be the American spelling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.104.132.17 (talk) 22:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
- I like that. Does anyone on Wikipedia have any percentage numbers about who uses Wikipedia most? Incidentally, either spelling is acceptable in America. Just so happens "jewelry" is more common.Djathinkimacowboy 05:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Page protection
OK, very funny Flubberchubs. Now... are we going to need article protection here? Discussion, please. Djathinkimacowboy 20:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Proposal for mythical rings section
In light of this[1], which was an excellent addition albeit in the wrong section, perhaps we could consider a mythic ring section? Or rings in literature or some such? Discussion?...I await a deafening silence. If I see no activity, I'll do it. We have enough in-Wikipedia to do so as it is.Djathinkimacowboy(yell) 06:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Content dispute: rings (jewellery) or only ring for the finger?
We appear to have a conflict, a content dispute. Is this article exclusively about rings for the finger? If so, it doesn't say that anywhere. Content removal on that basis should be discussed here first. Refusal to do so constitutes edit warring.—Djathinkimacowboy 03:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- Firstly there is the issue of general english. A ring in the context of jewellery is generally taken to mean a finger ring.
- Secondly the article as it stands is basically about finger rings. If someone wants to write about the use of circles in jewellery they would need to start again from scratch either at a different title or after this one had been moved.
- It would also be a rather odd article. I'm not aware any work that pushes together Bracelets, Torcs, Neck rings, Armbands finger rings, hoop earings, plugs, some types of chains, Circlets, headbands, Diadem, Hair ties, some types of Tiara, Anklets, Bangles and Chokers.
- ©Geni 03:26, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- No! To your 1st point: no one can decide to dictate how the reader may interpret a title or general article subject. You are trying to do that. It's true we usually mean a finger ring when we say or write "ring". However, that scope is not a decision for anyone to make here unilaterally. You said: 'Secondly the article as it stands is basically about finger rings. If someone wants to write about the use of circles in jewellery they would need to start again from scratch either at a different title or after this one had been moved.' Yes, it is basically about finger rings because there is little anyone can add about other rings- but there are other rings and they belong here too. I'd say to you, if someone wants to have this article only be about finger rings, they're going to have a problem. As to the rest of your comment posted, I'm not sure I understand you. It looks to me like you're just trying to make this article about rings for the finger. If you think there's trouble, I'll be glad to participate in a DRN.—Djathinkimacowboy 03:32, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
- May I also indicate that 'Bracelets...Circlets, headbands, Diadem, Hair ties, some types of Tiara, Anklets, Bangles and Chokers' are not generally considered "rings". And no one said anything specifically about them. They do fall into another category and I see what you mean. However, you are trying to ignore toe rings, nose rings, and earrings.—Djathinkimacowboy 03:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Geni, I was looking everything over and have a compromise. It seems to me this article should be about finger rings only. We have links to, and also mention, toe rings, nose rings and earrings. What if we do a generic sweep, sort of clean up the article the way you are thinking, and leave the other types of rings each to its own article? I think I see exactly what you are saying and I agree with you now I've thought more deeply about it.—Djathinkimacowboy 03:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Images
Looking through commons most of our pics of rings have depth of field issues. For historical reasons most of the leading collections of rings are in Britain (basically the Victorian ring collectors tended to be british). They are spread out across the V&A, British museum and Ashmolean. Other leading national collections do have examples though.
Based on what I plan to write we need good quality photos of:
- An ancient Egyptian ring. Preferably a scarab ring or a Cartouche ring.
- A classical greek ring
- A roman ring. This one will be difficult since there are so many of the things I have no idea what is typical (I would use File:Rings from the snettisham jewellers hoard.JPG but again depth of field issues). Personally I'd like it to be a cameo ring but I can't provide any justification for that.
- probably something byzantine. preferably with Christian iconography.
- viking perhaps?