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Statistics concerning religion and ethnic/national origin of Polish citizens are from 2011. I think this is outdated (if not misleading) considering the changes in the recent years, especially after Russian invasion on Ukraine. [[Special:Contributions/77.222.241.40|77.222.241.40]] ([[User talk:77.222.241.40|talk]]) 19:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC) |
Statistics concerning religion and ethnic/national origin of Polish citizens are from 2011. I think this is outdated (if not misleading) considering the changes in the recent years, especially after Russian invasion on Ukraine. [[Special:Contributions/77.222.241.40|77.222.241.40]] ([[User talk:77.222.241.40|talk]]) 19:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== World War II in History section should include a mention of polish nazi collaboration == |
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Historical section presents a very polish nationalist POV omitting any wrong doing. History section should include at least a mention of the extent of polish nazi collaboration (according to research done by professor Grabowski Poles killed upwards of hundreds of thousands of Jews). Poland is presented as a victim which it certainly wasn't. [[User:SoHoBro|SoHoBro]] ([[User talk:SoHoBro|talk]]) 22:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC) |
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Sources and POV push
Merangs, you need to stop Germanizing this article, it's a POV push to remove the fact that Polish cuisine has Slavic roots. Also, you are blatantly misrepresent the sources, as oftentimes they do not say what you then write in the article... like this source says "Polish cuisine displays its German-Austrian history in its sausages", but you write "Poland is eclectic and shares similarities with other Central European cuisines, especially German and Austrian". Same here, "but also encompassed assimilated peoples who previously inhabited the area." where does your source actually say that??? --E-960 (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Another great example of this is you going in and Germanizing Polish names of some of the rulers.. so stop it. It's a blatant POV. --E-960 (talk) 13:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- You also need to stop "Slavicising" where unnecessary and denying certain facts. And since when is Boleslaus the German version? It's Latin. I have not been altering any names whatsoever after the revert. Merangs (talk) 13:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hate to break it to you, but Polish is a Slavic language, and Poland as a nation originated from Slavic tribes. Also, I'd like to ask you to provide the quote which backs up this statement "but also encompassed assimilated peoples who previously inhabited the area" I tried to find this conclusion in the two sources you provided and I'm not seeing it just some stuff about DNA tests. If you can't provide a clear statement which backs this up, I'll ask you to remove this statement or I'll start a RFC. --E-960 (talk) 13:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merangs, same here you include kaiser roll instead of bread rolls. Kaiser roll is just one type, but you have to highlight it as it was the be all end all bread roll in Poland. --E-960 (talk) 13:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hate to break it to you, but Polish is a Slavic language, and Poland as a nation originated from Slavic tribes. Also, I'd like to ask you to provide the quote which backs up this statement "but also encompassed assimilated peoples who previously inhabited the area" I tried to find this conclusion in the two sources you provided and I'm not seeing it just some stuff about DNA tests. If you can't provide a clear statement which backs this up, I'll ask you to remove this statement or I'll start a RFC. --E-960 (talk) 13:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- You also need to stop "Slavicising" where unnecessary and denying certain facts. And since when is Boleslaus the German version? It's Latin. I have not been altering any names whatsoever after the revert. Merangs (talk) 13:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- You have not contributed to this article at all in order to make it GA. You only engage in disruptive edits, image and content change. "But also encompassed assimilated peoples who previously inhabited the area is a sourced fact. I suggest you do start an RfC. Merangs (talk) 13:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, the current version of the cuisine section is fine and neutral so thank you. I just added mushrooms to the food staples and sourced it. Merangs (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merangs, pls consider that I contributed a lot to this article well before you became involved, and fixed a lot of the text and images beginning in 2014. You want to improve it further I have no problem with that, but adding your personal slant to the article and misrepresenting sources is nothing but a POV push. This section is a great example of this because to argue that Polish cuisine has all this German influence and not say that it's Slavic in so many ways is simply omitting obvious facts. --E-960 (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, the current version of the cuisine section is fine and neutral so thank you. I just added mushrooms to the food staples and sourced it. Merangs (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @E-960: - Please understand that I am attempting to make strong differences between Polish [culinary] culture and that of other Slavic countries as well as that of Germany. That is my agenda and I did not intend to Germanise anything. The truth is that Polish cuisine by today's (not 1000 year ago) standards resembles Central European cookery over than any other region. I never stated it is not similar to that of other Slavic countries, although I must say that the term "Slavic" is much too broad, for instance the cuisine is hardly similar to that of Macedonia. Moreover, you say about omitting facts, but the earlier statement about assimilated peoples is a fact and it is sourced. Why would I push for something that isn't. I do not base my beliefs or writings on POV, only on sourced content. Merangs (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- E-960 is only trying to erase everything about Germany in Polish articles for years. Nothing new.. --Jonny84 (talk) 19:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jonny84 You were warned and asked [1] to talk about the content not editors? Didn’t you? - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:12, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh I do. I'm just talking about content, like this on [2]. It's not my fault, that there is always the same editor who erases content like this. --Jonny84 (talk) 21:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Jonny84, again very selective analysis. You claim POV against me, but you did not look at this earlier edit I made [3], where I kept the reference to the German influence on Polish cuisine and also added a note referencing that many Polish dishes have a Slavic background. It was reverted, and a more neutral sentence set in its place (the one you referenced as an example of bias). I think that you will agree that it's very odd to say that Polish cuisine is similar to German, but make no reference of its Slavic ties... I'm not sure how many pierogis or borscht do Germans eat, but you can't argue those are German dishes, and Poland is famous for pierogis... a very Slavic dish. --E-960 (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jonny84 You were warned and asked [1] to talk about the content not editors? Didn’t you? - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:12, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- All European-style dumplings, including pierogi, can be traced to China so we should avoid the details. Plus, the ethno-linguistic term "Slavic" cannot be imposed on cuisine. Guys come on let's be civil. The issue has been solved and currently the section looks appropriate. Merangs (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merangs, please note Category:Slavic cuisine [4] — btw, pierogis are a specific type of dumpling, just like spaghetti is a specific type of noodle, with both having ascribed roots in Asia, yet both having a specific place of origin within Europe. In case of pierogis, they are a staple dish in many Slavic countries of Europe. --E-960 (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- E-960 Pierogi is already plural (singular pieróg), so "pierogies" is unnecessary. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:04, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- Merangs, please note Category:Slavic cuisine [4] — btw, pierogis are a specific type of dumpling, just like spaghetti is a specific type of noodle, with both having ascribed roots in Asia, yet both having a specific place of origin within Europe. In case of pierogis, they are a staple dish in many Slavic countries of Europe. --E-960 (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- All European-style dumplings, including pierogi, can be traced to China so we should avoid the details. Plus, the ethno-linguistic term "Slavic" cannot be imposed on cuisine. Guys come on let's be civil. The issue has been solved and currently the section looks appropriate. Merangs (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
ethymology "Poland/Polska/ect."
The section 'Ehtymology' requires some serious review. The narrative is unconvincing, and amateurish. Mezza Vita (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Amateurish is this post, without any constructive suggestions on how to improve it. The section looks fine to me. Merangs (talk) 15:56, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
"Republic Of poland" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Republic Of poland and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 18#Republic Of poland until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. MB 01:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Eastern Europe
The article describes Poland as being in Central Europe, but Poland is also widely considered to be an Eastern European country. At the very least, I would advise putting "Central and Eastern Europe" in there. 109.145.64.214 (talk) 15:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- What do reliable sources say? EvergreenFir (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- The United Nations Statistics Division classes Poland as Eastern European. 109.145.64.214 (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I looked at the history of this talk page and it seems the discussion has been stonewalled somewhat. Consensus of the last RfC was that both descriptions are fine, and sources stating that Poland is in Eastern Europe are numerous, yet the lead only mentions Central Europe. Merangs, what exactly would be your objection to using both descriptions? Croatia for example is described as "at the crossroads of Central and Southeast Europe". Romania has a similar description. Prinsgezinde (talk) 21:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- I have made the change to this article. Poland is in Eastern Europe. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ghost of Kiev Why? - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps y’all should look at Central Europe first? Good idea? - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- This is a dead horse, check thee archives, thiss has been disscussed many times. IMHO Poland is both a Central and Eastern European country. Frankly, we probably need another RfC (see last one, or ones, from 2015: Talk:Poland/Archive_7#RfC:_Should_Poland_be_described_as_existing_in_"Central_and_Eastern_Europe"? and Talk:Poland/Archive_6#RfC:_Eastern_vs._Central_Europe). That said, if we have to chose one, since RS are divived, Central is preferred as it is less pejorative (that is also why the term Central and Eastern Europe exists). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:32, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Deported
It is written in the article “ in 1939-1941 hundred of thousand of Poles were deported…..” it should be written that they were deported to Siberia. How can the readers know where they were deported? 49.190.243.58 (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Outdated statistics
Statistics concerning religion and ethnic/national origin of Polish citizens are from 2011. I think this is outdated (if not misleading) considering the changes in the recent years, especially after Russian invasion on Ukraine. 77.222.241.40 (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
World War II in History section should include a mention of polish nazi collaboration
Historical section presents a very polish nationalist POV omitting any wrong doing. History section should include at least a mention of the extent of polish nazi collaboration (according to research done by professor Grabowski Poles killed upwards of hundreds of thousands of Jews). Poland is presented as a victim which it certainly wasn't. SoHoBro (talk) 22:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)