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:::: I do not think it is a strong argument. First, it still does not explain why [[WP:UKRAINIANNAMES]] applies. Russia claims Sentsov is a Russian citizen and refused to extradite him for this reason. Second, consistency would require for example that we have articles with the titles [[Kyiv]] and [[Odesa]], but we do not, exactly because of [[WP:MOSTCOMMON]]--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:43, 21 October 2016 (UTC) |
:::: I do not think it is a strong argument. First, it still does not explain why [[WP:UKRAINIANNAMES]] applies. Russia claims Sentsov is a Russian citizen and refused to extradite him for this reason. Second, consistency would require for example that we have articles with the titles [[Kyiv]] and [[Odesa]], but we do not, exactly because of [[WP:MOSTCOMMON]]--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:43, 21 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' Both spellings are used in English language sources, but "Oleg" is more frequent. One can reasonably argue this should be "Oleg" because Ukrainian official sources use this spelling [http://mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/4177]. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 20:45, 21 October 2016 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' Both spellings are used in English language sources, but "Oleg" is more frequent. One can reasonably argue this should be "Oleg" because Ukrainian official sources use this spelling [http://mfa.gov.ua/en/page/open/id/4177]. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 20:45, 21 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per nomination and In ictu oculi. [https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сенцов_Олег_Геннадійович Subject's entry in Ukrainian Wikipedia] describes him as a winner of the [[Shevchenko National Prize]] and a Ukrainian speaker, not a Russian-speaking Ukrainian. He was born in Ukraine, not Russia, and Ukraine has officially confirmed his Ukrainian citizenship, therefore the use of [[WP:UKRAINIANNAMES]] does, indeed, apply here, most emphatically. As for Wikipedia's use of main title headers [[Kiev]] and [[Odessa]], rather than [[Kyiv]] and [[Odesa]], it is, of course, on the basis of [[WP:MOSTCOMMON]], in the same manner as Wikipedia's use of [[Moscow]] and [[Saint Petersburg]], rather than [[Moskva]] and [[Sankt Peterburg]]. Use of Russian forms for Ukrainian names does not, however, fall under [[WP:MOSTCOMMON]] unless, of course, the subjects in question are Russian-speaking Ukrainians. That is the reason such details are specified in [[WP:UKRAINIANNAMES]].[[User:Roman Spinner| —Roman Spinner]] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk)(contribs)]]</small> 09:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC) |
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Requested move 21 October 2016
Oleg Sentsov → Oleh Sentsov – According to ukrainian rules Palu (talk) 11:44, 21 October 2016 (UTC)--Palu (talk) 11:44, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. First, he is predominantly known in English as Oleg Sentsov. Second, he does not even speak Ukrainian. Third, Crimea is a disputed territory, and whereas Sentsov himself claims that he is a Ukrainian citizen, Russia treats him as a Russian citizen, and it is not obvious that Ukrainian transliteration rules should apply.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support @Palu: WP:UKRAINIANNAMES In ictu oculi (talk) 16:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Why should WP:UKRAINIANNAMES apply here? And even if it does, why should it override WP:MOSTCOMMON?--Ymblanter (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Because we have WP:CONSISTENCY throughout the encyclopedia on how we present articles. We have our own MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- I do not think it is a strong argument. First, it still does not explain why WP:UKRAINIANNAMES applies. Russia claims Sentsov is a Russian citizen and refused to extradite him for this reason. Second, consistency would require for example that we have articles with the titles Kyiv and Odesa, but we do not, exactly because of WP:MOSTCOMMON--Ymblanter (talk) 20:43, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Because we have WP:CONSISTENCY throughout the encyclopedia on how we present articles. We have our own MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Both spellings are used in English language sources, but "Oleg" is more frequent. One can reasonably argue this should be "Oleg" because Ukrainian official sources use this spelling [1]. My very best wishes (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
- Support per nomination and In ictu oculi. Subject's entry in Ukrainian Wikipedia describes him as a winner of the Shevchenko National Prize and a Ukrainian speaker, not a Russian-speaking Ukrainian. He was born in Ukraine, not Russia, and Ukraine has officially confirmed his Ukrainian citizenship, therefore the use of WP:UKRAINIANNAMES does, indeed, apply here, most emphatically. As for Wikipedia's use of main title headers Kiev and Odessa, rather than Kyiv and Odesa, it is, of course, on the basis of WP:MOSTCOMMON, in the same manner as Wikipedia's use of Moscow and Saint Petersburg, rather than Moskva and Sankt Peterburg. Use of Russian forms for Ukrainian names does not, however, fall under WP:MOSTCOMMON unless, of course, the subjects in question are Russian-speaking Ukrainians. That is the reason such details are specified in WP:UKRAINIANNAMES. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 09:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)