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Looks like we are missing his positions in the various companies. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz|talk]]) 16:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC) |
Looks like we are missing his positions in the various companies. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz|talk]]) 16:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== Problem with WP:OWN == |
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I am dismayed to see that this article continues to be dominated by an editor (Ronz) who has engaged in significant negative activity here for many years. A look through the archives shows the many complaints from many different people (including me) about him removing positive and well-sourced content, and cherry picking negative content. I think that he should be topic banned from this page (and, if he's engaged there at all, in all related pages) but for right now I think it is important that we review his edit history in recent months to [[WP:FOC|improve the article]]. During that process, I believe we will document enough instances of doing things contrary to policy to make the rationale for a topic ban obvious.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales|talk]]) 14:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC) |
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COIN discussion
I've started this discussion on some of the ip's that have been editing this article against a WP:COI. --Ronz (talk) 02:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Article semi-protected
The article has been protected once again from editing by ip's: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#COI_editing_at_Naveen_Jain_yet_again. If you want changes made to the article, please use this talk page to make the request and discuss the changes. {{edit semi-protected}} is recommended. --Ronz (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Confusion over someone with same last name
Naveen Jain was charged, in February 2014 with misdemeanor manslaughter charges for the vehicular killing of a cyclist, Joshua Alper, with his Tesla Model S on California Highway 1 in November of 2013. Jain claimed he fell asleep at the wheel blaming the new car fumes. [1][2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efusco (talk • contribs) 14:05, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
References
- Both references use the name "Navindra Jain" and have his age at 60 or 63. This is unlikely the subject of this article. --NeilN talk to me 14:15, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Lead
The lead summarizes the most important facets of a biography. Both TalentWise and WII have no Wikipedia articles and have lesser notability. --NeilN talk to me 17:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. I trimmed back the Forbes 400 info as well given it's no longer so notable, though his wealth is notable and it is a good introduction to that fact.
- As far as inome and its holdings, there's so little written about it since the Intelius IPO was withdrawn for what appears to be the last time, that we're having a difficult time getting enough information to even make sense of all the reorganizing that's happened. --Ronz (talk) 20:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- The TalentWise info is unsourced, so I've reverted per BLP. --Ronz (talk) 20:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- And I'm unable to find any non-primary sources about the The World Innovation Institute. The Economist article was just an announcement for their own "Ideas Economy: Innovation" conference, where Jain was a speaker. Intelius jumped on it as an opportunity for some press: [1][2]. If we cannot find better sources, we might just remove mention of The World Innovation Institute completely. --Ronz (talk) 20:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Moon express
We need to give other editors a chance to build consensus without RonZ interference. I think this article need to focus on Moon Express which is the biggest achievement of Mr. Jain. See below links. Other things that need to be expanded are his involvement with xprize and Singularity University. RonZ's only cares about infospace and 10 years old baseless lawsuit.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101531789
http://news.discovery.com/space/history-of-space/javeen-nain-moon-111019.htm
http://www.space.com/13615-moon-express-lunar-lander-naveen-jain-interview.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 16:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- The Moon Express stuff might be expanded but sticking the existing sentence under a new header isn't expansion. --NeilN talk to me 20:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Could you give an example of what we might add relevant to Jain? I'm not seeing anything. --Ronz (talk) 20:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Ronz: If you're replying to me, I was referring to articles I came across when googling. The content added by Wiki-expert-edit/Jain had no useful additions for this area. --NeilN talk to me 22:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I think we should make remove the lawsuit section because it has undue focus. Just read it yourself. It's 10 years old and baseless. Mr. Jain founded Moon Express that has gone to make history by being the first company to ever build a lunar lander and successfully testing it. See below quote from NASA.
"Moon Express is the first private company to build and operate a lander test vehicle at the Kennedy Space Center, and we look forward to working with them as they develop new U.S. capabilities to land on the moon." http://www.nasa.gov/content/moon-express-completes-initial-flight-tests-at-nasas-kennedy-space-center/#.VPY0z1PF84J — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 22:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Would you want me to edit the page that I think will be substantially better or would you prefer to discuss this and agree on the content. You can easily google and see tremendous contribution he has been making on entrepreneurship and philanthropy, You should really watch his talks and it may really inspire you to do something useful instead of vandalizing the pages on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 22:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
My proposal is to have standstill as the page is now. Let's discuss each section at a time and work toward a solution to make it better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 22:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- As I asked on your talk page regarding this - are you are claiming to be Jain himself? --NeilN talk to me 22:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- "I think we should make remove the lawsuit section because it has undue focus. Just read it yourself. It's 10 years old and baseless." This shows your COI renders you completely unfit to edit the article directly. --NeilN talk to me 22:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
If we really care to do the right thing then we should really objectively review each section and agree on the content. I am happy to work with you and am not trying to be at edit war. It's very obvious that only changes that stick are the changes made by RonZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 22:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- For the third time, are you Naveen Jain? --NeilN talk to me 22:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't notice the Q. No. In my statement to Jimbo, I was trying to say that it's about Naveen Jain but forgot to type the word "about"
- Thank you for answering. And "You should really watch his talks and it may really inspire you to do something useful instead of vandalizing the pages on wikipedia" reaffirms my conviction that you shouldn't be anywhere near the article. --NeilN talk to me 23:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Examples: "In 2000, Forbes ranked him as 121st on their list of the "400 Richest Americans" with a net worth of 2.2 billion dollars." -> false impression that this was anything but brief. "Jain is the founder of The World Innovation Institute, which focuses on innovations and entrepreneurship that have the potential to solve our world's most complex challenges" -> regurgitation of corporate fluffery. --NeilN talk to me 10:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Looks like we are missing his positions in the various companies. --Ronz (talk) 16:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Problem with WP:OWN
I am dismayed to see that this article continues to be dominated by an editor (Ronz) who has engaged in significant negative activity here for many years. A look through the archives shows the many complaints from many different people (including me) about him removing positive and well-sourced content, and cherry picking negative content. I think that he should be topic banned from this page (and, if he's engaged there at all, in all related pages) but for right now I think it is important that we review his edit history in recent months to improve the article. During that process, I believe we will document enough instances of doing things contrary to policy to make the rationale for a topic ban obvious.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)