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Hong Kong is a country (or as some others may prefer the word "region"), though not a sovereignty state. It has its own flag: The HKSAR Flag, which is widely recognised by International Olympic Committee and some other international organisations (e.g. APEC) under the name of "Hong Kong, China" (often referred to as the Olympic Standard). This is recognised and approved also by the central government of P.R. China. I strongly request related articles to list Hong Kong in the country list (in the form of "Hong Kong, China" if preferred to avoid disputes), and to list its SAR Flag int the flag list. |
Hong Kong is a country (or as some others may prefer the word "region"), though not a sovereignty state. It has its own flag: The HKSAR Flag, which is widely recognised by International Olympic Committee and some other international organisations (e.g. APEC) under the name of "Hong Kong, China" (often referred to as the Olympic Standard). This is recognised and approved also by the central government of P.R. China. I strongly request related articles to list Hong Kong in the country list (in the form of "Hong Kong, China" if preferred to avoid disputes), and to list its SAR Flag int the flag list. |
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The situation is highly similar to Puerto Rico of U.S., Gibraltar of U.K., and French Polynesia of France. The reasons are: Hong Kong enjoys its own currency (HK Dollar), has its own border (with independent immigration and customs control), own jurisdiction system (common law and Court of Final Appeal), and is recognised as an economy. |
The situation is highly similar to Puerto Rico of U.S., Gibraltar of U.K., and French Polynesia of France. The reasons are: Hong Kong enjoys its own currency (HK Dollar), has its own border (with independent immigration and customs control), own jurisdiction system (common law and Court of Final Appeal), and is recognised as an economy. |
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2015
|41 | Toronto || 6,055,700[1] | 7,124.15 | 850 | CA$ |- Asajmera (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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- ^ . Statscan Toronto Population. 2015-02-11 http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm.
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- Oppose Toronto city proper has 2.6 million as of the last census (2011). It might be squeaking past 2.8 now, but nowhere near your estimate above. That looks like the whole GTA. Mattximus (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Delhi?
How come Delhi, India isn't on this list? It should be in the top 15, at least. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 03:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Honestly, with how we're including entire municipalities and prefecture level "cities" with China - especially when you consider they have actual lower levels of local government within those "cities" that would cover would would widely be agreed upon as a "city proper" - it really does seem weird to exclude Delhi in its form as the National Capital Territory just because its local government was split into three different local governments within the National Capital Territory. The National Capital Territory is, too, "only" 1,438 square kilometers, versus, say, the 6,340.5 sq km for Beijing's "city" of which the city proper only feels a tiny portion. Anyway, this is going to continue to fall on deaf ears, but I agree with you on the ridiculousness of all of this. --Criticalthinker (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- That's the reason why Delhi isn't included? That's stupid! And it's not like the population of Delhi would include New Delhi either, as that is a separate municipality, correct? And I think the National Capital Territory of India, of which Delhi is coterminous, is almost entirely urbanized unlike Chongqing (granted, the population for the city here is just the urbanized area, but nonetheless...) I would appreciate if others would join in on the discussion. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if it would help anything. This was discussed literally a month or two ago and it was a discussion that filled the entire page. I hate to be cynical about it, but there was no concensus on changing anything. BTW, the strange thing about China's listings is the inconsistent nature of what's included as "city proper" even within the "cities" on the list. As you noted, Chongqing is added on the list as "Central Chongqing" which is easily more sensible than adding the entire "city." But, then Beijing is added is added in it entirety despite the fact that the six inner districts not only cover far more than what anyone would call a "city proper" but nearly cover the entire urban agglomeration. There are six additional districts outside of this which would constitute the entire metropolitan area. The four districts outside of that are almost impossible to argue to even be a part of the metropolitan area, let alone the city proper. The Town of Yanqing in Yanqing County, in fact, is literally on the other side of the mountains from urban Beijing. It's not even part of the contiguous urban area, let alone being part of the "city proper." And, yet, Beijing is added in its "Municipality" form. Even in the less ridiculous example of Shanghai, Chongming County - a literal set of far-flung islands - is not even a part of the contiguous urban settlement of Shanghai, let alone Shanghai's "city proper." So, you have all of these multiple glaring examples, yet the nearly entirely urbanized capital territory of Delhi gets left off due to a technicality? Like I've said in the past, I am staunchly against the inclusion of localities such as Sydney and Melbourne, as cities in Australia generally don't have local government associated with their "city propers" and there are not even regional governments which could be called city propers. But, there are some cases in which there are an associated provincial/regional governments drawn tightly enough to the actual urban settlement - and this provincial/regional government essentially acting as a special local government - that they could be understood to be a "city proper." Greater London is a perfect example of this. Delhi's National Capital Territory would be another good example. Each of them have actual district or municipal local governments beneath their regional government level, but the prime organ of local governance is at the regional (in London's case) or territorial (in Delhi's case) level. --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:29, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- That's the reason why Delhi isn't included? That's stupid! And it's not like the population of Delhi would include New Delhi either, as that is a separate municipality, correct? And I think the National Capital Territory of India, of which Delhi is coterminous, is almost entirely urbanized unlike Chongqing (granted, the population for the city here is just the urbanized area, but nonetheless...) I would appreciate if others would join in on the discussion. Coulraphobic123 (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Lagos
I went to the website for the Lagos population figure, but can't seem to find a citation for their figure. I realize there are some major disputes for the population of Lagos, but the official population count put the population for the ENTIRE State of Lagos at approximately 9 million, and the statistical area of Lagos city doesn't even include all of the local governments in the state. I fail to see how CityMayors information is more credible than the Nigerian's census data. Apart from the dispute with the census data, I'm aware that Lagos is fast-growing, but that doesn't even look like an actual scientific population estimate. It looks like at best it's a population projection, and we don't deal in those on this article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
- The fact that reliable population estimates simply do not exist for "city propers" of many developing countries (e.g. Karachi, Kinshasa) is just another reason why maintaining this list is a hopeless cause at the present time. Cobblet (talk) 06:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Karachi!
Can somebody update the Karachi population and reference which is 23,800,000[1]. Jjkajaja (talk) 18:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC) |-
- Population figures of cities in Pakistan is quite problematic.
- First, the latest population Census in Pakistan was taken in 1998. They tried to run one in 2011 but I haven't seen any official results so I assume that it was cancelled or declared as unreliable (see Census in Pakistan). From what I recall, there were some Census figures listed here and there, with a.o. a population figure for Karachi of over 20 million. But, my guess is that they were calculations from the Housing Census, which was carried out before the PC, and those results seems to have been considered as over-count and not reliable (see a.o. this article).
- Additionally, there is the question of what should be considered as a "city" or "city proper" in Pakistan. There has been some re-organization of administrative units since the 1998 Census, with the introduction of "City Districts".
- Further, City Population is a private site, where the owner is doing his own calculations for his list of Principal Agglomerations of the World. So, that can't be considered as a reliable source.
- We can use the 1998 Census results, as it's the latest official population figures. But, it doesn't feel right to use 17 year old data. My suggestion is to use UN:s calculations for World Urbanization Prospects, the 2014 revision. There is one problem with this, and it's that the UN base they calculations for cities in Pakistan on the definitions from 1998, and haven't adjusted the figures for the definitions of "city districts". But, I still think it's the best source for updates until a new Census is taken in Pakistan.--Pjred (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Hong Kong
Hong Kong is a country (or as some others may prefer the word "region"), though not a sovereignty state. It has its own flag: The HKSAR Flag, which is widely recognised by International Olympic Committee and some other international organisations (e.g. APEC) under the name of "Hong Kong, China" (often referred to as the Olympic Standard). This is recognised and approved also by the central government of P.R. China. I strongly request related articles to list Hong Kong in the country list (in the form of "Hong Kong, China" if preferred to avoid disputes), and to list its SAR Flag int the flag list. The situation is highly similar to Puerto Rico of U.S., Gibraltar of U.K., and French Polynesia of France. The reasons are: Hong Kong enjoys its own currency (HK Dollar), has its own border (with independent immigration and customs control), own jurisdiction system (common law and Court of Final Appeal), and is recognised as an economy.
- ^ Brinkhoff, Thomas. citypopulation.de "The Principal Agglomerations of the World". City Population. Retrieved 8 April 2015.
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