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== Reminder == |
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Since the last round of elections, a centralised RfC has adopted [[WP:POLEND]] as a set of standards for inclusion of endorsements. This mandates: |
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# Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements by notable people. |
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# Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which have been covered by reliable independent sources. |
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# Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which are specifically articulated as "endorsements". |
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Please note in particular #2 here: we cannot include endorsements reported only in blogs, social media and other self-published sources. That's because in most cases we're talking about [[WP:BLP|living people]] and we should not be the primary arbiters of whether they have endorsed one candidate or another. I just removed a number of references to a blog which has no credible evidence of authority, for example. I have done the same at the equivalent lists for Biden. This is a community standard that must be applied uniformly. |
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I don't know if Fox's standing as unreliable for politics would count here or not, so I will ask at [[WP:RSN]]. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]] - [[User:JzG/Typos|typo?]])</small> 13:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC) |
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John Kennedy withdrew his support?
I find that claim to be false and the 2 "sources" are not reputable. One is a live stream video and the other from a heavily biased CNN. Correction is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:1:817:0:0:0:64 (talk) 20:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Kanye West
Where is he?
-- 93.132.113.82 (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
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Inclusion criteria for endorsements
The following criteria are in effect for endorsements on this and similar lists.
There is consensus among participating editors that endorsements from an individual must meet all three of the following criteria for inclusion on a list of endorsements:
- The endorser must have an article or be unquestionably entitled to one
- This endorsement must be covered by reliable and independent sources
- Coverage of the endorsement needs to use the word endorse, or other closely related synonym.
See WP:ENDORSERFC for details. - MrX 🖋 00:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Do we really need the first part in the endorsements column?
This is a place for endorsements. Why all the talk about Hoover and Ford and past primaries and how you believe the GOP party broke FEC rules. Enough with the biased behavior, wiki.Bjoh249 (talk) 23:03, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- The article doesn't state or claim that the GOP broke FEC rules. Re-read the given text more carefully. As for the Hoover and Ford text (and I can't possibly see how you would view mention of Hoover and Ford as "biased" against Trump), this is an encyclopedia article so we need to ground the article in its historical context. — Bilorv (talk) 09:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
But it reads like it’s trying to explain to Anti-Trumpers why he is being renominated. Bringing these one-term losing GOP presidents up reads like wiki editors are hoping Trump meets the same fate. I don’t see anything similar on Democrat-related articles, like Obama and Clinton. Bjoh249 (talk) 23:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yet, @Bjoh249: that's how you read it; if you're unable to understand the historical context/significance, then I'm afraid that is no one else's problem but yours. This is an encyclopedia — of course we're going to give historical context — and we don't simply remove things just because you don't like it. The Democrat-related articles don't say that, perhaps because the Democrats didn't do that? either way: we also don't remove content simply because another article doesn't say the same thing. This list is about Trump's endorsements, not past Democratic candidates. Also, don't cast aspersions re biased editing especially seeing as you're unable to adequately back that up. Thanks, —MelbourneStar☆talk 05:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia, it’s biased garbage. Yeah, I said it. I don’t care what you do in return. Anyone with a brain knows Wikipedia is nothing but leftist propaganda. Bjoh249 (talk) 06:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Bjoh249: speaking of "bias", good to know you're transparent about yours. And you say all of that... yet you're here with an account editing. Nobody is forcing you to edit this "leftist" "garbage". You're more than welcome to edit at Conservapedia if you like? Kind regards, —MelbourneStar☆talk 12:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- If Wikipedia would just be neutral, there would be no need for a Conservapedia.
- @Bjoh249: speaking of "bias", good to know you're transparent about yours. And you say all of that... yet you're here with an account editing. Nobody is forcing you to edit this "leftist" "garbage". You're more than welcome to edit at Conservapedia if you like? Kind regards, —MelbourneStar☆talk 12:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia, it’s biased garbage. Yeah, I said it. I don’t care what you do in return. Anyone with a brain knows Wikipedia is nothing but leftist propaganda. Bjoh249 (talk) 06:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Bjoh249 (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- It is neutral. You could say it's to the left of Conservapedia and the right of RationalWiki. Either way, your efforts to delegitimise Wikipedia are pretty futile considering it still is the biggest encyclopedia in the world, and still will be tomorrow, the next day, and the very next day after that. If you have any actual neutrality concerns for this particular list, please put them forward and articulate why they're a concern based on policy, otherwise this discussion is moot. Thanks, —MelbourneStar☆talk 03:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Paul Ryan
Ryan said "We’re clearly better off because of @RealDonaldTrump. His record of accomplishment is why he’ll win re-election especially when compared to Dems’ leftward lurch." Sounds like an endorsement.Pennsylvania2 (talk) 17:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- I would oppose inclusion for now, per #3 WP:ERFC: "
Coverage of the endorsement needs to use the word endorse, or other closely related synonym.
"- The statement Ryan initially released, and then further clarified doesn't appear to be an endorsement. I immediately interpreted it as him stating what he views as fact or as a prediction based on circumstances: that Trump has accomplished a lot and therefore will win. Think about it: if Ryan wanted to endorse Trump, he would have said that he supports Trump's re-election, he endorses Trump, and so forth. He did not.
- No reliable sources have described Ryan's comments as an endorsement or support for Trump's 2020 campaign. In fact, I suspect they're noticing how Ryan's side-stepped endorsing Trump.
- I would support inclusion only when Ryan's position is further clarified, which I imagine will occur as the election draws closer. —MelbourneStar☆talk 07:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Police Unions
- Some Police Unions have endorsed Trump. However, they do not have Wikipedia pages and redirects to the state police do not mention these unions. Should these endorsements stay up? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Pennsylvania2, I would say yes. These unions represent a lot of people. Having a Wikipedia article is not a requirement and I think these are notable enough to leave. What do you think? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Does Indian PM Modi endorse Trump?
Hi! ^_^. I have trouble identifying the message of Mr. Modi here — Did he endorse Mr. Trump?. It's confusing for me, so I didn't add him below Filipino President but I'd like to know opinions. Thank you cherish you all :) --CoryGlee (talk) 18:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- CoryGlee, it’s in the title of the article so I’d personally have to say yes, it should be included. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 22:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Kyle Rittenhouse
I know that things like this can be contentious, so I thought I'd bring it up here first before making any changes. I have several problems with Kyle Rittenhouse's entry on this list. First, the description. "Domestic terrorist" is not a term that should be thrown around lightly. And I see no evidence (at least in the cited source) for the claim that he's a white supremacist. The other issue I see is I'm not sure he should be included at all. The closest I could find to an endorsement in the linked article was that he attended a Trump rally. That is something, but I'm not sure that's enough evidence to meet the standards for what an endorsement means. Feedback would be appreciated before I make any changes. AKT0001 (talk) 03:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- We CANNOT describe this person as a terrorist or white supremacist in Wikipedia's voice, and it certainly does not belong in an endorsement article. It would violate WP:BLP. - MrX 🖋 14:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm still skeptical it should be included at all. The coverage seems to violate Rule 3 given above on this page for what constitutes an endorsement. AKT0001 (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- You're right. I didn't even think about that. Out it goes. - MrX 🖋 15:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Rittenhouse attended a Trump rally this year. Others on this list such as Greg Pence, Scott Perry, Papa John, Lee Zeldin and others are only on here because they attended a Trump rally. Why is there a different standard? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Attending a rally is not equivalent to an endorsement. The others on the list that you mention should also be removed if the only reason they're listed is because of attending a rally. Thanks for catching them. - MrX 🖋 00:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Then should I go ahead and remove them? What about speaking at a rally? Is that different? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Sure. Just speaking is not equivalent to an endorsement, but if a source says that someone endorsed a candidate during their rally speech, then obviously that's an endorsement. You can read WP:ERFC to get a better idea of how the community views the more nuanced cases. - MrX 🖋 00:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Then should I go ahead and remove them? What about speaking at a rally? Is that different? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Attending a rally is not equivalent to an endorsement. The others on the list that you mention should also be removed if the only reason they're listed is because of attending a rally. Thanks for catching them. - MrX 🖋 00:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Rittenhouse attended a Trump rally this year. Others on this list such as Greg Pence, Scott Perry, Papa John, Lee Zeldin and others are only on here because they attended a Trump rally. Why is there a different standard? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- You're right. I didn't even think about that. Out it goes. - MrX 🖋 15:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm still skeptical it should be included at all. The coverage seems to violate Rule 3 given above on this page for what constitutes an endorsement. AKT0001 (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Outgoing Japan's PM Abe
Hi! ^_^ hope you are fine. I added Japan's Abe and cited a news, but I am not sure if I understood the article correctly. He endorsed him in 2016 and appears to continue support through 2020 but not sure I got the message of the article. If you deem it wrong, please feel free to delete that. Cherish you all :) --CoryGlee (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- I do not believe he endorsed Trump in 2016 and the article does not mention a 2020 endorsement. It just states that Abe supported a close relationship between the US and Japan. Netanyahu has made similar statements, but is not listed because he did not officially endorse Trump. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2 Oh, fine, I am removing it then. I didn't understand well. I have comprehension issues ^_^ especially in a foreign language. Thank you and big hug. --CoryGlee (talk) 20:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- No worries. Hope you are well. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Steve Mnuchin
The source for Steve Mnuchin mentions that he is working with Trump to cut taxes, but that does not seem like an endorsement. Should these be removed? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:08, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes unless there is another source. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2020
Remove Cardinal Dolan from endorsement listing. The Cardinal prayed, he did not "speak." He prayed for both candidates, and would have offered the same prayer for the Democrats/Biden if he were asked; in fact, he offered to pray at the DNC, but they had already made other arrangements. Katherinesv1011 (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Done! In the future Katherinesv1011, add the link to your request so that another editor can easily find it and make your change. Happy editing! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Delegates vs. Representatives
The terms are synonymous. Why are they grouped separately? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 04:46, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Are these terms synonyms? The state uses that term for them and not house of representatives Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 18:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it's just the lower chamber. Virginia and Maryland use the term, as it originates from colonial times, but they act in the exact same way. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 04:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Nick Sandmann
Nick Sandmann did not "confront" a Native American activist, as this page erroneously claims. In fact, the literal opposite is true, which is confirmed by video evidence. It's stunning that this lie is being kept alive so long after it was debunked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4C02:82C0:A0C3:6D30:8E5E:6231 (talk) 19:33, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've corrected it. Editors should be aware of the multi million dollar lawsuit by now. Alexandre8 (talk) 00:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Alexandre8 and User talk:2601:1C2:4C02:82C0:A0C3:6D30:8E5E:6231#top, which source are you basing this on? Please cite below before additional discussion. Thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 00:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to counter both sides of this discussion by noting my belief that the language should be changed to "a confrontation with" the Native American activist. This is NPOV and is in-line with the description on the page itself, which refers to "a widely reported confrontation between groups of political demonstrators." If the Wikipedia article is insufficient, several articles referenced use similar language that changes "X confronted Y" to language more along the lines of: "a controversial encounter" (CNN), "a collision of three groups" (NYT), or an "encounter". NomadicNom (talk) 01:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- seems like a more accurate description ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1370:8112:1816:BC44:C7AE:ED37:524F (talk • contribs)
I’d be in favor of that. However, let other editors state their opinions here in an attempt to reach consensus before changing it back. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
At this stage I'm flabbergasted anyone could have missed this story! We must avoid contentious language especially in light of this major lawsuit. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media/washington-post-sandmann-settlement-lawsuit/index.html. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/19/media/nick-sandmann-washington-post-lawsuit/index.html . I've changed to neutral language as per his wikipedia page which IS sourced. Alexandre8 (talk) 10:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Tim Pool
It is becoming clear that the blocking of adding Tim Pool is being done on the basis of pedantry and nothing more. As per WP:Ignoreallrules I would humbly request that editor assume good faith and not revert this addition. The value of a source should be used in context. You're not going to find a CNN article on tim pools endorsement.Alexandre8 (talk) 00:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- The whole "humbly" thing contradicts your opening sentence. If reliable sources don't report on his "endorsement", well, guess what: it doesn't matter. You can't talk about the "value" of a source if there is no source. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with points that both Drmies and Alexandre8. I agree that Tim Pool is notable, but since no coverage of his endorsement has been cited (other than youtube which is not a reliable source), then it should not be added. This is an easy case, let’s not let things get out of hand. Thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
David Horowitz
Horowitz is NOT far right. No source was used to describe him as far right in this article, or on his wikipedia page. This must not be reverted. Please see WP:BLP Alexandre8 (talk) 10:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Notability of Goya Foods
Another user has suggested bringing the inclusion of the CEO Rob Unanue of Goya foods to the talk page as per point 1 of WP:Endorsements. He receieved a great deal of media attention in July when he publically expressed support for Trump. There were campaigns from some celebrities to boycott the company as a result. I would suggest someone worth boycotting is someone worth including. He has a wikipedia page but it's merged with the Unanue family Thoughts? Alexandre8 (talk) 15:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- The CEO never even used the word endorse. He just called Trump a good leader. Some news coverage doesn't equal notability, either. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 16:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- the way it was blown up in the media you'd think it was an endorsement. Guess it was an overreaction on their behalf but you make a valid point. ! Alexandre8 (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Nazi/White nationalist endorsements
There have been some very questionable additions of some Nazis and white nationalists to the page. Often poorly sourced or speculation. Given the severity of such an endorsement I would urge editors to pay scrutiny to such additions and make sure they adhere to all points of WP:Endorsement. Alexandre8 (talk) 16:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Separate Heading for Political runners and nominees?
Do people think we should have a different sub heading for political runners and current Republican nominees? At the moment some of them are under activists, some are under sports personalities etc Alexandre8 (talk) 20:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I’m not sure. However , this section does need to be split. It’s too vague and it’s too large. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 21:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't seem like the talk page is getting much traction. Let's just it for now. If I were to edit it, I'd make a mistake with the format. Alexandre8 (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Netanyahu
I agree Pennsylvania2, let’s not edit war here. I’ll ping Sthacker21 on this one too. I personally believe it should be added because the article says that he wants Trump to be re elected, which I think is close enough to being an endorsement. I don’t see any sight saying that he is not endorsing or that he is staying out of the election either. Despite it not explicitly stating “endorse” I think hoping for Trump to win in 2020 is very similar, especially for a foreign leader who obviously can’t say “I’m voting for trump in 2020”. He’s clearly rooting for him in 2020. Any thoughts? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that it should be added. I think if we approach it from the otherway, is there any reasonable doubt he does not endorse Trump for this election? The article clearly states that Bibi supports trumps reelection. For me that is a clear endorsement. Alexandre8 (talk) 21:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- The current wording is synonymous with an endorsement. Plus it’s not some opinion conspiracy, it’s the NYT reporting he supports the reason election. If not other responses, I will add back tomorrow. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 08:52, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- sure thing! Alexandre8 (talk) 20:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- The current wording is synonymous with an endorsement. Plus it’s not some opinion conspiracy, it’s the NYT reporting he supports the reason election. If not other responses, I will add back tomorrow. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 08:52, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose It states Netanyahu is "eager to see Mr. Trump win a second term in November," which is most likely true. However, that is not a public endorsement of Trump's re-election campaign. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 16:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, isn’t it though? Isn’t endorsing a campaign just saying that you hope the other side wins? I think this is a synonym for endorse. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I can't see it being construed any other way personally Alexandre8 (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've yet to see a statement from Netanyahu stating that he hopes Trump wins. He has praised Trump, but he's yet to publicly say anything that can be seen as a statement of support. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 23:45, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- But Pennsylvania2, shouldn’t we trust NYT which is a reliable source? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Eager for Trump to win is not an endorsement on it's own. I think Netanyahu should not be included unless a source explicitly says he endorsed Trump or he is quoting as being eager for Trump to win. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 01:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, this is similar to an addition that was just made on the Biden 2020 page for David Cameron. While he didn’t say if himself, a reliable source reported it. I think we need to go based off of what the source says about him Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 20:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- The endorsements aren't similar, though. Cameron source includes quotes from an interview. Netanyahu's endorsement is just speculation. Further, you have not addressed the fact that eager for a victory is not the same as publicly endorsing .Pennsylvania2 (talk) 23:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- It would be great if a few more users could weigh in on this. At the moment we're 2 to 1 in favour and thats not a consenus by a long shot. Alexandre8 (talk) 11:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, this is most definitely not a consensus. Alexandre8 and Pennsylvania2, did you change your opinions at all? If not I am pretty sure I can start an rfc to get more editors to comment. Just wanted to do one more survey before I start it. Thanks! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Have not changed. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 17:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- RFC sounds good to me Lima Bean Farmer!Alexandre8 (talk) 21:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2020
Don't forget to add that Florida U.S. Senator Rick Scott was Governor of Florida (2011-2019) before Ron DeSantis took on the role; term limits, y'know? 68.194.69.151 (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Rfc on Netanyahu’s inclusion
Should Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu be added based on this article [1]? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 21:16, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes Based on information from a reliable source. While it's not an American election, the subject of the article is "presidential campaign endorsements", which is relatively broad, in my opinion. Comatmebro (talk) 01:49, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- No The source says that Netanyahu wants Trump to win. But it doesn't say Netanyahu endorsed trump. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- No No mention of an endorsement. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 15:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
The current tally is 3 yes (2 from the other section) and 2 no. I will add back this time tomorrow if there is no further opposition. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 22:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see how 3-2 is a consensus. Further, you've yet to address my comments about Bibi. This closest you've gotten is a NYT piece that states that he wants Trump to win. However, an endorsement would have to consist of a public statement of support from Netanyahu. His private beliefs are not the same as a public statement by Netanyahu. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 04:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, it’s been on this page for a while now and so far 5 editors have commented, 3 in favor, 2 not. The New York Times stating his opinion on the article seems credible enough, even if he didn’t say it to a crowd or anything. Most of the people on here are just an article saying they support Trump. Therefore, I think Bibi should be included. However, you can take this to arbitration if you’d really like or just let him stay (he clearly is right wing similar to Trump) but it’s up to you though. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Is the endorsement based on this quote?
Like Mr. Netanyahu, they are eager to see Mr. Trump win a second term in November. And at the White House on Tuesday, Mr. Netanyahu and a select group of Gulf Arab officials will be returning the favor, doing their part to repay and support Mr. Trump by participating in a signing ceremony for a pair of new accords between Israel and two Gulf nations, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, that Mr. Trump is promoting as a historic breakthrough.
? If so, that's not an endorsement. ImTheIP (talk) 04:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- Is the endorsement based on this quote?
- Pennsylvania2, it’s been on this page for a while now and so far 5 editors have commented, 3 in favor, 2 not. The New York Times stating his opinion on the article seems credible enough, even if he didn’t say it to a crowd or anything. Most of the people on here are just an article saying they support Trump. Therefore, I think Bibi should be included. However, you can take this to arbitration if you’d really like or just let him stay (he clearly is right wing similar to Trump) but it’s up to you though. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- No - because support is not the same thing as an endorsement. If he had actually endorsed him, then I think it could be added, but I think "endorsement" implies a more formal declaration that just the support he's offered. Wes sideman (talk) 16:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes Current reason for inclusion is due to him wanting Trump re elected. As another editor has said, I don’t know how this can be interpreted any differently. For foreign officials, an endorsement is just saying they want him to win. They can’t say they’re voting for him obviously. Therefore this wording of wanting him to win is constituted as an endorsement. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:26, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2020
- Steve Souza[1] 1558135a (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ~ Amkgp 💬 15:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2020
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2020
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Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2020
Please add Lorenzo Lamas to the list of celebrities endorsing Donald Trump for President. He spoke at the Trump rally in Beverly Hills CA to express his support for Trump's re-election. Here are the articles that explains it.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/08/08/beverly-hills-pro-trump-rally/
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-08/trump-supporters-march-in-peaceful-demonstration-in-beverly-hills 146.115.150.68 (talk) 09:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Lorenzo Lamas[7][8] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.150.68 (talk) 09:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2020
Remove bullet point "Scott Morrison, Prime Minister of Australia (2018–present)[190]"
In the "International Politicians" section, Scott Morrison is listed as having endorsed Donald Trump. This has not happened as he has not endorsed either candidate in 2020. The source cited [190] is an opinion piece by Kevin Rudd, a former Australian prime minister from the opposition party. There is no endorsement referenced in this piece.
139.216.183.39 (talk) 06:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Image of Liz Cheney
I think an image of Liz Cheney, the House Republican Conference Chairwoman, should be added, since she is the #3 Republican in the House right now. After all, Biden's endorsements page has an image of Jim Clyburn, the current House Majority Whip and the #3 Democrat in the House. Lexikhan310 (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Done. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2020
72.66.57.37 (talk) 23:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Colombian Senators
Should Colombian senators be added? Many of them do not have an English Wikipedia article but they have them in Spanish and are also major government officials. Thoughts? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- A Colombian Senator without an English page was removed from Biden's page. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, where? I couldn’t find it. I think for any endorsement page, a member of the national legislative branch is notable enough for inclusion. What do you think? Anyone else have any opinions? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 01:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- Leopaldo Martinez until his page was translated into English. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 01:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, I see that now. I propose that any country’s senator or equivalent ranking should be added since this is a very high government title. I think they would be notable. Thoughts? Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 02:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- I would agree. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 03:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
70 endorsements to be added
[2]. I am adding the "Update tag"
Senators
I added John Thune's photo as he is the Senate Majority Whip. That is the third highest Senate official in the Republican Party. Tim Scott is the junior Senator from South Carolina and Lindsay Graham already has a photo. Speaking at the RNC is NOT the criteria for having a photo, but notability and their ranking position is. Do NOT remove and edit war without a consensus. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 21:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Sthacker21 seems adamant on having Scott's picture. Can we get some other opinions? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 14:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, have you reported this user yet? Not only have they broken the 3R rule (almost twice) but their edit summaries show they are going to continue the edit war. They are clearly not willing to discuss. Report them now so that this edit war comes to an end. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have requested an administrator. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pennsylvania2, have you reported this user yet? Not only have they broken the 3R rule (almost twice) but their edit summaries show they are going to continue the edit war. They are clearly not willing to discuss. Report them now so that this edit war comes to an end. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2020
72.66.57.37 (talk) 13:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Photos
User talk:Pennsylvania2 and User talk:Sthacker21, I am pinging both of you on this talk page due to the ongoing photo war. There appears to be a back and forth on this page (not just you two) on photos, and I’m going to start calling it out when I see it. It appears both of you have good intentions, but the photos are changing multiple times a day which should not happen with an article. Please use this page next time to discuss before adding, deleting, or changing a photo. You can also post a message on each other’s talk page to discuss an issue (whether it’s overall inclusion or just one photo). I’m also always happy to chime in on pretty much anything, so just give me a ping. Warm regards, Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 06:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- User talk:Sthacker21, you continuing reverting edits which have previously been made. Either use the talk page or take a break from photos. It will help keep down the controversy, thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- POV being pushed on both sides there. Provocative clan hood picture was originally uploaded. Photo is changed. Middle ground found. Let's leave it? Haven't we got better things to be doing. Alexandre8 (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- User talk:Sthacker21, use this talk page to discuss. Last warning. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
- POV being pushed on both sides there. Provocative clan hood picture was originally uploaded. Photo is changed. Middle ground found. Let's leave it? Haven't we got better things to be doing. Alexandre8 (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Gerhard Schröder
Gerhard Schröder, Chancellor of Germany (1998–2005) never endorsed Donald Trump. In the source cited, Schröder says that he thinks Trump has still a chance to win the election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archie Burbuckle (talk • contribs) 09:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
- Removed. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 17:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2020
72.66.57.37 (talk) 15:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Reminder
Since the last round of elections, a centralised RfC has adopted WP:POLEND as a set of standards for inclusion of endorsements. This mandates:
- Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements by notable people.
- Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which have been covered by reliable independent sources.
- Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which are specifically articulated as "endorsements".
Please note in particular #2 here: we cannot include endorsements reported only in blogs, social media and other self-published sources. That's because in most cases we're talking about living people and we should not be the primary arbiters of whether they have endorsed one candidate or another. I just removed a number of references to a blog which has no credible evidence of authority, for example. I have done the same at the equivalent lists for Biden. This is a community standard that must be applied uniformly.
I don't know if Fox's standing as unreliable for politics would count here or not, so I will ask at WP:RSN. Guy (help! - typo?) 13:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)