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Kuatliya, Ref [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jammu_and_Kashmir&type=revision&diff=733538919&oldid=732886198 this], how can ''Pakistanis'' "expect (as early as) 1941 that Kashmir will form part of Pakistan" when there was no Pakistan in 1941? There was a reason that the original statement said "''it was expected''" instead of specifying "''who''". Partition of Indian was accepted in 3rd June Plan (1947), not in 1941. BTW, you also pushed POV when you changed the text to "Pakistan-controlled" instead of "Pakistan-administered" against [[WP:NPOV]].—[[User:TripWire|<font face="Eras Demi ITC"><b><font color="DarkMagenta">Trip</font><font color="DarkSlateGray">Wire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡ </font></b></font>]] <sup>[[User talk:TripWire|ʞlɐʇ]]</sup> 17:38, 16 August 2016 (UTC) |
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Randhawasingh edits & Density of J&K: 124/km2 (320/sq mi)
@Randhawasingh: Your edit [1] has three problems:
- The population density was more than doubled. Please explain here how you obtained this number.
- "Illegal occupation" etc are WP:LABELs, which are not allowed on Wikipedia.
- This article should only discuss the Jammu and Kashmir state under Indian control, as demarcated by the Line of Control.
So, I am reverting your edit again. You should not reinstate it until consensus is reached. - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Kautilya3: There is no discrepancy. These are as per the Official Government of India figures of 2011 census. It is mentioned in official census report that Density of India and J&K excludes the area of 78,114 sq. km. under the illegal occupation of Pakistan, 5,180 sq. km. Illegally handed over by Pakistan to China and 37,555 sq.km. under the illegal occupation of China in Ladakh district. Source:
- @Kautilya3: There is no discrepancy. These are as per the Official Government of India figures of 2011 census. It is mentioned in official census report that Density of India and J&K excludes the area of 78,114 sq. km. under the illegal occupation of Pakistan, 5,180 sq. km. Illegally handed over by Pakistan to China and 37,555 sq.km. under the illegal occupation of China in Ladakh district. Source:
http://censusindia.gov.in/2011census/censusinfodashboard/stock/profiles/en/IND001_Jammu%20&%20Kashmir.pdf
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/Religion_pca/RL-0100.xlsx
Now, area of Jammu Kashmir under Indian control(including entire Siachen Glacier) is 101,387 sq. km, although entire K&K state area claimed by India is 222,236 km2. In this Siacheen Glacier area is approx. 200 km2, where there is no civilian and only army controls thats, which in effect does not bring that area under the administration of J&K state government.
Density= Total population/Total area (Formula used)
J&K state population under Indian control(excluding Siachen glacier) approx . stands at 101,140 sq. km
The revised population of J&K state released by Govt. of India on 25 August 2015 was 12,541,302
Density of J&K therefore was 12,541,302/101,140 = 124/km2
Similar exclusion of POK and Aksai Chin area was done for Indian density which was pegged at 385.8/km2
--Randhwasingh (talk) 22:09, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, you can change the numbers. Note that you should not make the edit until you are sure that the agreement is reached. (It is not ok to reinstate edit as soon as you have "explained".) As a matter of fact, you have ignored my other two points. Your reinstated edit continues to state the Indian government POV about excluding "illegally occupied areas" etc. So I am reverting again. Please change the numbers, not the wording. - Kautilya3 (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Kautilya3: , Since this article is mainly inclined heavily towards Indian administered Jammu and Kashmir state , you have to give density for that area only. Also, since 1998 census, no census has taken place in Pakistan. There is no way to get updated census figures for Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan, Saksgham valley and Aksai Chin. So its ok to mention density of J&K state for the Indian-administered area only. --Randhwasingh (talk) 05:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
How is density of J&K as 56/km2 (150/sq mi) correct? Where is the source?
- @Kautilya3: , How is density of J&K as 56/km2 (150/sq mi) correct? Where is the source? How it is calculated? Is this calculated taken into account the population of G-B, Azad Kashmir ,Shakshgam Valley and Aksai Chin into account? Please elaborate.--Randhwasingh (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 17:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC) the population of the cities of jammu and kashmir is not as per the census figures, the population of jammu city is around 5 lacs and srinagar around 11 lacs, where as the population of jammu district is 15 lacs, whereas the population of the srinagar is 12 lacs
The standard map
The map that Ljgua124 replaced with is hardly the 'standard'. It represents a a biased POV. Why should the part of Kashmir that India claims and controls be shown in stripes? I see none of that at the Azad Kashmir and Xinjiang article, where they're shown as integral parts. Thanks. Filpro (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Presumably because India objects maps that don't show the whole of the princely state as being part of itself. On the other hand, we prefer to show the de facto situation. So this is a compromise. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Unsourced edit
Reverted this being not in the source given.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡ ʞlɐʇ 21:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Edit warring over map
Note this article falls under discretionary sanctions. Edit warring and no discussion is not acceptable. --NeilN talk to me 22:04, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Pakistan in 1941?
Kuatliya, Ref this, how can Pakistanis "expect (as early as) 1941 that Kashmir will form part of Pakistan" when there was no Pakistan in 1941? There was a reason that the original statement said "it was expected" instead of specifying "who". Partition of Indian was accepted in 3rd June Plan (1947), not in 1941. BTW, you also pushed POV when you changed the text to "Pakistan-controlled" instead of "Pakistan-administered" against WP:NPOV.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡ ʞlɐʇ 17:38, 16 August 2016 (UTC)