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::It was unilaterally moved by [[User:SivaneshR|SivaneshR]] for both this article and the Indian rupee sign article.--[[User:Premkudva|<span style="font-family:Georgia"><span style="color:blue"><b>PremKudva</b></span></span>]][[User_talk:Premkudva|<span style="font-family:Georgia"><span style="color:red"><b><sup>Talk</sup></b></span></span>]] 11:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC) |
::It was unilaterally moved by [[User:SivaneshR|SivaneshR]] for both this article and the Indian rupee sign article.--[[User:Premkudva|<span style="font-family:Georgia"><span style="color:blue"><b>PremKudva</b></span></span>]][[User_talk:Premkudva|<span style="font-family:Georgia"><span style="color:red"><b><sup>Talk</sup></b></span></span>]] 11:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== "Controversy" == |
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My feeling is that the alleged controversy over the new symbol belongs if it belongs anywhere - at [[Indian rupee sign]] and ''not'' at [[Indian rupee]], [[Rupee]] or anywhere else. |
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Several editors appear to agree, in as much as they have also reverted repeated attempts to add the "controversy" to the [[WP:LEAD]]. |
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Regardless, the lead is ''absolutely'' not the right place for the controversy to go: the point of the lead is to ''summarise'' the rest of the article. |
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[[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 15:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC) |
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: Agreed. <small>—[[User:sroc|sroc]] ([[User talk:sroc|talk]])</small> 15:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC) |
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::The editor has now (against my advice) added it within the body of the article. I leave it to the regular editors to decide whether this should be here. As I'm clearly involved at this point I would not be comfortable protecting the article. However, you may wish to consider requesting protection at [[WP:RFPP]] if you are unable to communicate with the editor and they persist against any consensus. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 16:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC) |
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::: I have removed it again as it is adequately covered at [[Indian rupee sign]]. I shall also leave a 3RR warning at the user's talk page as they have already exceeded that. [[User:I42|I42]] ([[User talk:I42|talk]]) 16:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC) |
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Non-Indian user(s) of Indian rupees
the Indian Rupee is also used in Nepal (unofficially ) like the rubel is used in Abkhazia
and South Ossetia —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrometheusHR (talk • contribs) 11:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
However, on all modern Indian Rupee notes, it is printed in Assamese and Bengali as Taka, not Rupee. Please see http://www.rbi.org.in/currency/Language%20Panel%20on%20Notes.html from the website of the Reserve Bank of India. It shows a denomination (10 rupees), and its representation in 15 of India's official languages.
Thus I reverted the edit, in the process rewording it to make it more readable and accurate.
In a previous edit , the phrase, "like a buck is used to refer to a US dollar was added", in reference to the mention that Taka is used to refer to the Rupee by Assamese and Bengali speakers in India.
However, this isn't a very valid analogy. Taka is used officially to refer to the Rupee in these languages (look at any Rupee note, which contains a written description of the denomination in each Indian language. For Assamese and Bengali, Taka is written. On the other hand, no legal tender in the US tender is called a "buck".
- Speaking of which, does anybody know which languages (and which scripts) exactly do the banknotes contain? Translations as above would be useful too. Thanks! -FashionNugget 15:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Here you go. deeptrivia (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC) (Fair use image removed by ImageBacklogBot).
Number describing conventions
Commas in numbers
I understand that in Hindi, there are special words for 105, 107, etc., but the standard way of writing numbers in English, and other langauges I know of, is in groups of three, even in languages like Japanese where it would make more sense to write it other ways. So, why write "1,00,000" and "1,00,00,000"? It seems odd. -- Nik42 22:52, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Lakh and crore are widely used in Indian English, and the standard way of writing those numbers in Indian English is "1,00,000", "1,00,00,000", etc. Your wording changes do make it clearer though.
Arun 18:41, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
The "commas in numbers": I would assume that these are typos / mistakes, no? The numbers should be 1,000,000 (million) and 1,000,000,000 (billion) etc. Or is the "standard way" in Indian English different? 67.117.82.2 22:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The link 'Indian banknotes' is an external one and should appear under the section 'external links'. At present, it appears in the second paragraph.
commas in Rupees
Yes - the numbering system is weird and one that is difficult to read, with the commas in different places than used elsewhere - but this is correct - not a typo or mistake. One Lakh is 1,00,000 and a Crore is 1,00,00,000 . It's taken me a year to get used to it. One annoying thing is that it's hard to set up in an excel spreadsheet to display the amount with the commas in the Indian way. Any ideas... anyone?
Dieresis 09:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC) This page is probably not the place for technical-support requests.
Dieresis 09:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC) What is going on with the edit war over the number of zeroes needed for a crore (ten million). Who keeps changing it to 8 zeroes? 7 zeroes is obviously correct for anyone who knows how to count.
million/billion
In the Overview section it says: "Use of million or billion, as is standard in American or British English, is far less used." In fact the definition of "billion" is different in American and British English (10^9 vs 10^12 respectively). Which do you mean? The current wording suggests that these agree.
- Hmm, Indian English doesn't say one way or the other. Billion says the 10^12 interpretation has been officially replaced in British government documents and largely abandoned in journalism and finance, and India may be more influenced by this British trend than other countries which don't primarily use English. OTOH, if they don't use it, does it matter which version is the one they don't use? --67.183.217.186 14:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
history and fiat?
Does anyone know what year the Rupee moved to a fiat standard instead of the silver standard? Thanks Two-Bit Sprite 23:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Devaluation
I believe this page can also contain devaluation history of Rupee
192.107.18.38 (talk) 08:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Symbol
Dieresis 12:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC): There is a discrepancy on the page. The third sentence states "The most commonly used symbol for the rupee is...रू." However, the panel on the right states "Symbol:...रु". Which is correct? Linguistically, either could work, but which is actually more common or officially used? By a Google survey, रु is more common. By the same standard, रुपया and रूपया are about equally common spellings. Note other spellings[1]: रूपैया, रुपैया, रूपिया, रुपिया.
৳?
Is ৳ really used in India? It is certainly not used on Indian banknotes. There is no reference for this either. Please give your thoughts.
--Akut 19:30, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- What does that symbol mean anyway? I don't recall seeing it before.--PremKudvaTalk 11:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- The answer is in the second paragraph of the article: "[I]n the Bengali and Assamese languages...the rupee is known as a Taka, symbol ৳..." It need not be on the banknote itself to be a symbol for the currency.Dieresis 11:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed section for new rupee symbol
I removed this information:
- The Ministry of Finance of the Government of India announced on 5 March 2009, a contest to design an identifiable symbol for the rupee.[1] The contest is open to "resident Indians" and the Finance Ministry statement mentions that the "symbol should represent the historical and cultural ethos of India."[1] The new symbol will replace the current Rs.
Submissions for this contest ended on April 15, 2009. There is no mention of this contest on the Ministry of Finance governmental website. I found this dubious follow-up to the contest posted in the comments of a blog, but I do not know if it is authentic: May 1, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Result will declare on 15 April 2011 (subject to change), There are 25487 Nos of entries for currency symbol came to finance ministry. sorting of entries will start in June 2009. Auditing of each entry may take 6 months of time. after auditing selection process will begin. so boys dont get eager. each entry will go throughout the process. each participant will get certified by participation certificate. After Auditing process Participation Certificate will be delivered to participant (Might be in January 2010) We thank you all participant for their efforts in making of Indian Rupees Symbol Thank you.
— S R Raut Secretory
Here is the original entry form. I am not convinced that this contest is even legitimate, because there is no information available on judging, rules, or any number of other things I would expect from a contest.
The intro still mentions this rupee symbol contest but I am not sure that I like that. If in 2011 there is a new rupee symbol announced, then I think this contest will be significant. If not, then all mention of it should be purged from the article. Blue Rasberry 18:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- This is a late response to your above query. The contest was very much legit, and couple of weeks back I added the section complete with reliable media sources. The symbol has yet to be selected, since the union cabinet deferred it at their scheduled meeting.--PremKudvaTalk 05:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I just tagged one of your references as "not in source given" because I was unable to verify that the decision had been deferred. Do you know of any governmental websites which have current information about this process? I would think this would be important enough for the government to issue a release somewhere. Blue Rasberry 04:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Various denominations in use
legal tender?
Some people say 1, 2, 3 paise are no longer legal tender[2][3]. Others are telling the reverse[4][5]. Which one is right? --Coin99 17:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
2 rupee coin
there's a new 2 Rs coin in circulation. anyone know about that???--WoodElf 07:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Lower denominations by the Govt. Higher denominations by the RBI
Isnt the coins and the 1 rupee note circulated by the government of India and the bigger notes 5 Rs note onwards are circulated by the RBI? The coins and 1 rupee note does not contain the RBI Governor's signature. If this is indeen the case, it should be mentioned in the article. 198.62.10.11 07:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Infobox issues
What languages to include in the infobox?
Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics#Peseta. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Trouble with infobox
There is something not right with the infobox in my browser (Firefox 3.5). The rupee notes and coins are displayed to the right at the top of the infobox, and this widens the infobox excessively, which I am sure is not the intention. I have tried simple fixes to this but none work. It also displays |- class = "mergedrow" in the infobox at that point. This is not in the page so I assume is merged from the infobox template.
I have tried simple solutions e.g. adding breaks but can't fix this. I will carry on trying but would like to bring this to your attention. I will try other browsers and post back under this head if I have more information.
Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 16:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Same happens with Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. I think there is a problem with the currency-local-name field in the infobox. I can see the Hindi (Sanskrit?) text all right, but something after that maybe goes wrong. I am running Windows XP Home, unfortunately my other machine with Windows Vista is under repair and can't test on it right now, but a browser is a browser, right?
I have commented out that field right now but it is still in the text and I hope, together with the edit summary and this here, will assure you of my good faith. My suspicion lies in the template itself (and that is a good faith suspicion, not made under malice, I just think that is where problem lies).
Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
It is the template, people are messing with it. Template talk:Infobox currency Enlil Ninlil (talk) 05:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Copyright issues
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Versions of currency
Commemorative coins
I found no mention here of commemorative coins of India. Can someone point me to lists, perhaps! --Viren (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
EURion constellation
Do the new Rs 20 and 50 have the EURion constellation (like the new Rs. 100)? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Comments with unknown context
Recently, 202.9.146.106 removed the line In the Indian state of West Bengal, it is known as a Taka.
Claim of Pakistani counterfeiting
There was a harsh claim in the intro about Pakistan (the government itself) counterfeiting Indian rupees in an effort to attack India. This claim is not properly sourced and it has not been for years. I moved this claim from the intro to its own section. It needs to be deleted entirely unless it gets cited properly. The accusation is too grievous to have casual inclusion in this article. Blue Rasberry 18:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
There are no proper citations in this entire para. Someone please put unbiased sources, otherwise delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.87.87 (talk) 17:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Removed rupee currency tracking
There was a section describing a small rupee tracking project managed by some NGO. I do not feel that this NGO does research that is significant enough to merit inclusion on this wiki article, and anyway, the NGO has only existed since 2007. I removed this section. Blue Rasberry 18:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Added historical currency exchange rates
I added a table of historical currency exchange rates. There are a few things odd about this table. One is the reference. I got this data from OANDA, and anyone following the link can see that this data is not just posted there. The link is to a database, and I looked up each year individually. It is not original research, but it is an original compilation of data that is available from OANDA or any number of other sources.
Two other debatable points are that I chose certain currencies for inclusion in this table, and I arbitrarily chose the years 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008 as years to display values. Other people may want different currencies shown or different years included, and I would not object to that. Blue Rasberry 22:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
A user attempted to add 1995 year-end rates to the table. This user noted that the type of data was different from the other data, but I did not see value in having a rate from a single arbitrary point in time as compared to the averages in the other table fields. I am open to discussion about this, but also the addition was unsourced. See the diff here. I removed the addition by restoring the original version of the table. There had also been some vandalism creep with numbers. Blue Rasberry 01:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
notes
- Rupee Circulation in India by Dickson H. Leavens in The American Economic Review, Vol. 31, No. 1 (Mar., 1941), pp. 87-90
- The Prices of the Rupee and Silver by F. C. Harrison in The Economic Journal, Vol. 5, No. 18 (Jun., 1895), pp. 272-276
- The Suspended Rupee and the Policy of Contraction by Dana Horton in The Economic Journal, Vol. 3, No. 11 (Sep., 1893), pp. 475-482
- An Attempt to Estimate the Circulation of the Rupee by F. C. Harrison in The Economic Journal, Vol. 2, No. 6 (Jun., 1892), pp. 256-279
- The Shadow Sultan: Succession and Imposture in the Mughal Empire, 1628-1640 by Jorge Flores, Sanjay Subrahmanyam in Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient, Vol. 47, No. 1 (2004), pp. 80-121
- Indian Trade With the Far East and the New Rupee by Francis B. Forbes in The Economic Journal, Vol. 4, No. 13 (Mar., 1894), pp. 127-133
- Rupee Prices in India, 1870 to 1908; with an Examination of the Causes Leading to the Present High Level of Prices by Fred J. Atkinson in Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, Vol. 72, No. 3 (Sep., 1909), pp. 496-573
- Government Spending, Growth and Poverty in Rural India by Shenggen Fan, Peter Hazell, Sukhadeo Thorat in American Journal of Agricultural Economics, Vol. 82, No. 4 (Nov., 2000), pp. 1038-1051
- Role of Foreign Capital in India by N. K. Chandra in Social Scientist, Vol. 5, No. 9 (Apr., 1977), pp. 3-20
- The Early Modern Great Divergence: Wages, Prices and Economic Development in Europe and Asia, 1500-1800 by Stephen Broadberry, Bishnupriya Gupta in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 59, No. 1 (Feb., 2006), pp. 2-31
- The Gold Standard in India by L. in The Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 7, No. 4 (Sep., 1899), pp. 551-553
- The Report on Indian Finance and Currency in Relation to the Gold Exchange Standard by J. Shield Nicholson in The Economic Journal, Vol. 24, No. 94 (Jun., 1914), pp. 236-247
- Indian Currency Since the World War by J. Laurence Laughlin in The Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 35, No. 5 (Oct., 1927), pp. 613-631
- Indian Currency in the Depression by Parekunnel J. Thomas in The Economic Journal, Vol. 48, No. 190 (Jun., 1938), pp. 237-248
- The Indian Exchange Problem 1919-20 by R. S. Sayers in Economica, No. 34 (Nov., 1931), pp. 450-462
- Britain and the Indian Currency Crisis, 1930-2 by B. R. Tomlinson in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Feb., 1979), pp. 88-99
- Britain's Liquidity Crisis and India, 1919-1920 by G. Balachandran in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 46, No. 3 (Aug., 1993), pp. 575-591
- India's Wartime Finances by Andrew J. Grajdanzev in Pacific Affairs, Vol. 16, No. 4 (Dec., 1943), pp. 418-440
- The Asian Currency Crises: Vulnerability, Contagion, or Unsustainability by André Cartapanis, Vincent Dropsy, Sophie Mametz in Review of International Economics, Volume 10, Issue 1, Date: February 2002, Pages: 79-91
and so on. see also and feel free to join me, best regards --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Rupee symbol
can someone add this to the templates like the dollar, euro, and yen?
You will have to wait.
TDIL (Technology Development for Indian Languages), on behalf of govt of India will apply to Unicode Consortium include the symbol in Unicode table and assign it a specific Number. After that only it will be globally usable. This process of Unicode approval may take a year.
In the mean time, fonts can be made and used.
Raju Das 14:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajuonline (talk • contribs)
Fonts
I am removing the following text, which was added by User:Jaypaudyal:
- You can type new symbol of Indian Rupee using most popular fonts like Arial, Times New Roman etc.
1. This reference is uncited. 2. It is a new symbol so presumably will only be available in updates to existing fonts or in new fonts, not those already on most (if not all) computers, yet this is not discussed. 3. If relevant, this should be re-written in encyclopedic style, e.g., "The Indian rupee symbol has been added to updated versions of popular fonts including Arial and Times New Roman, and can be accessed by..." 4. There is no need for this statement to be in bold. 5. This reference belongs on the main Indian rupee symbol article, but probably not here. —sroc (sroc) 15:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Jaypaudyal : I agree with sroc and I will take care of these guidelines in near future.
Subdivisions
This article needs a section on subdivisions (old and new) of the rupee. Andrew Yong (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Proposed rename to Indian rupee
This is in line with Wikipedia naming conventions for article title format, that uppercase only be used for the first letter and proper nouns. Rupee is a common noun, not a proper noun, in the same way that dollar, euro, franc and currency sign are not proper nouns. The Wiktionary also shows rupee in lowercase, as well as other Wikipedia articles. Just because it is the title of the article does not mean that each word should be capitalised.
The word "national" also appears to be redundant, as India is a nation and the rupee applies to the whole of India, so there is no need to disambiguate this. Sroc (talk) 04:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- The argument was made in the edit description, but I think the idea was that "Indian National Rupee" is a proper noun for the Indian rupee. Could someone provide a citation for naming the monetary unit in India? Here is a source for the Reserve Bank of Indian saying that INR is an abbreviation for the proper noun "Indian Rupee." Blue Rasberry 05:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- "Rupee" is consistently used in lowercase throughout the current article, with a few exceptions. It is also listed as "Indian rupee" in the table of currency codes at ISO_4217#Active_codes, which consistently uses lowercase for the names of currencies (other than the names of their respective places, which are proper nouns in their own right). Sroc (talk) 05:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, it should be in lower case, and also agree to move it back to Indian rupee which is what it is instead of the very cumbersome Indian National Rupee.--PremKudvaTalk 05:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- Support - INR is Indian Rupee or Indian rupee. No idea about the case of R. who moved this page to the new title!!Arjuncodename024 08:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
"Controversy"
My feeling is that the alleged controversy over the new symbol belongs if it belongs anywhere - at Indian rupee sign and not at Indian rupee, Rupee or anywhere else.
Several editors appear to agree, in as much as they have also reverted repeated attempts to add the "controversy" to the WP:LEAD.
Regardless, the lead is absolutely not the right place for the controversy to go: the point of the lead is to summarise the rest of the article.
TFOWR 15:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- The editor has now (against my advice) added it within the body of the article. I leave it to the regular editors to decide whether this should be here. As I'm clearly involved at this point I would not be comfortable protecting the article. However, you may wish to consider requesting protection at WP:RFPP if you are unable to communicate with the editor and they persist against any consensus. TFOWR 16:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- I have removed it again as it is adequately covered at Indian rupee sign. I shall also leave a 3RR warning at the user's talk page as they have already exceeded that. I42 (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)