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:1) What do you mean by {{tq|This flag}} when there are so many different versions? 2) What evidence can you give that any of the many different flags {{tq|represents an ethnic group}} as a whole and is {{tq|not political issue}}? 3) Why should we have a picture of {{tq|image of Greek Cypriots waving this flag}} unless we can call it their flag? 4) What is it about sources you do not understand? Please read [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]. Text like {{tq|a flag which is used by the Greeks of Cyprus in order to show their and "Free Cyprus" identity}} '''also''' needs a source. 5) Finally: The Cyprus flag and the Greek flag are '''national''' flags. They can not be used to show ethnicity. No way! --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 13:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
:1) What do you mean by {{tq|This flag}} when there are so many different versions? 2) What evidence can you give that any of the many different flags {{tq|represents an ethnic group}} as a whole and is {{tq|not political issue}}? 3) Why should we have a picture of {{tq|image of Greek Cypriots waving this flag}} unless we can call it their flag? 4) What is it about sources you do not understand? Please read [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]. Text like {{tq|a flag which is used by the Greeks of Cyprus in order to show their and "Free Cyprus" identity}} '''also''' needs a source. 5) Finally: The Cyprus flag and the Greek flag are '''national''' flags. They can not be used to show ethnicity. No way! --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 13:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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You are from the occupited area, arent you? [[User:A. Katechis Mpourtoulis|A. Katechis Mpourtoulis]] ([[User talk:A. Katechis Mpourtoulis|talk]]) 14:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:I am not sure what that has to do with anything, but the answer is "No": I have not even been to Cyprus. --[[User:TU-nor|T*U]] ([[User talk:TU-nor|talk]]) 14:24, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Legacy
One interesting legacy is that many Greek Cypriots adopted the Muslim title of "Hadji" (bestowed upon Muslims who have completed the hajj to Makkah) to indicate that they had completed a pilgrimage to a significant Christian religious site. Hence, many Greek Cypriot surnames begin with "Hadji-,"
this is not a cypriot characteristic, it is common in all greek speaking areas. Mavros 15:02, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hadji is also a prefix for people that were doing pilgrimage to the Holy Lands (e.g. Jerusalem, Bethleem), not just Muslim Hadji as in Mecca Gts-tg (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
670.000 Greeks Cypriots
According to Eurostat 2010 the population of Greek Cyprus is 796.000 of which 670.000 are Greek Cypriots http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-10-045/EN/KS-SF-10-045-EN.PDF —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siras (talk • contribs) 04:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Add names is Greek and Turkish
I think we should write how Greek Cypriots call themselves (Ελληνοκύπριοι) and also how Turkish Cypriots call them (Kibris Rum). Thus we can link to to the article Rûm. --Kupirijo (talk) 11:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the the formal name is Kıbrıs Rum not Kıbrıslı Rum. --Kupirijo (talk) 21:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Achaeans and Myceaneans
I think mentioning Achaeans and Myceaneans in the same sentence is a bit redundant. They are after all the sane people, I think. --Kupirijo (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Misleading POV map
Misleading map of cyprus showing 1973 population. By that time, most of the Turkish Cypriots had moved into small enclaves and had abondoned thier land. This picture presents a misleading Point of View. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WillMall (talk • contribs) 19:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hidden comment
hi all - nice article btw - I have hidden the sentence that describes the Greek Cypriot population as "80%" as there has been no citation added since Jan 2009. The numbers cannot be taken simply from the Republic of Cyprus census as this is lacking in many ways and in no way accurately summarises the population of Cyprus. The survey did not include immigrants to the North of Cyprus of British, Russian etc nationality, nor does it include many of the "illegal" Turkish immigrants.
THe biggest problem is that it does not seem to include many of the Turkish Cypriots who have legitimate claim to citizenship
Chaosdruid (talk) 20:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
From the census in 2001 amended in 2005 (yes I know its a while ago lol)
Hi all
THe census of 2001 amended in 2005 gives the Cypriot figures as "Country of birth: by major age group, April 2001" at 77,676
I appreciate the number may be higher but it seems bizzare that the statement of 200,000 is deemed to be true, let alone an increase to 300,000
CAn someone try and clarify please ? Are the figures currently in the article reporting "Of Greek Cypriot descent" rather than "Greek Cypriot". Obviously if you are born in the UK you are not Greek Cypriot.
ThanksChaosdruid (talk) 20:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Not ethnic Greeks
Greek Cypriots are not "ethnic Greeks", the term "Greek" refers, primarily, to their common language. Genetic research on both DNA and blood groups has established that GCs and TCs are part of the same gene pool, which is distinct from that of either "mainland" country. GCs are genetically more akin with people from West Asia (the Levant) and North Africa than Greece. Therefore, they are not "ethnic Greeks". It is the same with "Arabs", peoples who share the same common language, Arabic, but not necessarily the same ethnicity.
See these sources for a starter: [1][2] [3]
—Olympian (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Nonsense. The sources I have cited define the Greek Cypriots unambiguously as an ethnic Greek community, i.e. the CIA World Factbook, which lists "Greek" as the main entry under "Ethnic groups". Same with the Cypriot government source, as well as the Catholic Near East Welfare Association source you cited. I fail to see how genetics is at all relevant to the question at hand. Ethnicity is principally a matter of language, culture, history and self-identification. And the Greek flag flies alongside the Cypriot throughout the part of the island not occupied by the Turks. Please refrain from introducing your own personal views or fringe theories into the article. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 19:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Citing that the Greek flag flies alongside the Cypriot is not really the best way to prove your point. I would consider that an attempt at enosis lol.
- I have read your work though, ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ, on the article and it is very neutral. I agree that ethnicity is as you describe and not genetic. THe first greek settlers moved over 2000 yrs bc but they were small in number and after the island was taken, taken, taken, taken and taken by other ethnic groups over the next 1500 years I am sure that not much genetic differentiation exists between the two ethnic groups until more recent centuries
- Chaosdruid (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- It was a simple statement of fact. The Greek flag is flown everywhere in Cyprus, despite the idea of Enosis not being particularly popular these days. Cyprus also shares a national anthem with Greece. The notion that the Greek Cypriots aren't Greek is pretty ridiculous, don't you think? As for the genetics, I'm sure the same could be said for any two neighbouring ethnic groups who nonetheless have distinct or even conflicting ethnonational identities. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 23:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Everywhere ? even in the north ? The Greek cypriots are called so because of their ethnic background, not their genetic one, which you have rightly pointed out previously. The greek cypriots are in fact NOT greek - they are cypriot.
- Chaosdruid (talk) 23:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- I already mentioned that it wasn't flown in the Turkish-occupied north. Pray tell, how can Greek Cypriots not be Greek? Greek does not refer exclusively to Greece, as you seem to be implying. Indeed, for much of their modern history most ethnic Greeks lived outside the borders of the modern Greek state. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 23:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
deleted link/facebook source
i took the liberty of removing a link about "Holiday villas for rent in cyprus, paphos". also, the US population source is a facebook group, and i can't find the relevant info in it (although i may have missed it). k kisses 00:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
population in info box
Facebook and Amazon are not reliable sources! Can someone please change this, otherwise I will. Thank you.Turco85 (Talk) 14:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
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Greek Cypriots flag
There are more than one flag that are in use unofficially by many Greek Cypriots around the world. File:Flag of EOKA.tif A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (talk) 10:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- A. Katechis Mpourtoulis: Thank you for raising this question here in the talk page! This is indeed the correct place for the discussion.
- One of the main principles of Wikipedia is verifiability, which you can read about here. This means that other editors should be able to check that the information you enter is correct. What you or I know (or think we know) is not admissible unless supported by reliable sources, which you can read about here. In the current case with the flag of Greek Cypriots, you need to find sources, not only for the fact that the flag is used, but also to show that the flag is somehow representative for the population group. When you now state that
more than one flag [...] are in use unofficially by many Greek Cypriots around the world
, you make it even harder, since you need to show sources for which of those flags, if any, is representative. If there are different subgroups using different flags, one could imagine some sort of gallery, but then each single flag would need to be sourced to its subgroup. - Regarding the flag of Cyprus, which you wanted to put into the infobox, that is not an option. That flag is not the flag of Greek Cypriots, but the flag of the Republic of Cyprus, and therefore, at least in principle and de jure, the flag of all Cypriots, Greek and Turkish. Regards! --T*U (talk) 14:36, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- You are correct. The flag that it is in used until today by many Greek Cypriots around the world is also put by my in the "list of Greek flags" as a Greek flag used outside Greece. There are no any official use or any sources except photographs of rallys, protest national organizations, folklore Greek Cypriot organizations and Greek sport club fans around the world. It is also in many flag online shops.
- A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (talk) 15:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- I am talking about this one
A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (talk) 15:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- (I indented your comment for better readability.)
- I have searched the net for "Greek Cypriot flag", and I come up with a lot of different versions, none of them actually matching the layout of the EOKA flag you present. Here are some examples: Here two versions, At the bottom of the article, In the middle of the picture, Another version, Still another version. All of them are different, so none of them can qualify as the flag of Greek Cypriots. Also, these flags seem to be used mostly in ultra-nationalist demonstrations, which rather disqualifies them of being representative for the whole ethnic group. And as I said, source needed. --T*U (talk) 07:22, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
There are not any sources as the flag is unofficial but only in public use. The most common greek cypriot flag is the one that I already show you but with orange Cyprus. It is used not only by ultranationalists but as i said it's used by many others. https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cy%7Dgr.html https://www.interflag.gr/el/simaies-istorikes/892-greek-cyprus.html https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Greek-Cypriot-ENOTIKI-EOKA-Flag-5x3-100-x-150cm-Greece-Cyprus-Nationalists/222872359442?hash=item33e43a5212:g:87wAAOSw1RVabTce http://www.drasis-kes.org/2016/10/estin-oun-ellas-kai-i-kypros.html http://www.diakonima.gr/2012/03/26/επιμνημόσυνος-λόγος-για-τον-ήρωα-κυρι/enomenes-elliniki-kypriaki-simaia-03/ https://picclick.com/HQ-Greek-Cypriot-Flag-EOKA-ENOTIKH-322452592369.html http://www.epilekta.com/2018/02/blog-post_637.html http://www.defence-point.gr/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/APOEL-Simaia_EOKA.jpg https://antiparakmi.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bc019-kyproselliniki.jpg A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (talk) 10:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- These links you give just underlines the fact that there are lots of different versions. I can count at least five different flags (different size of the map, other elements beside the map or inside the map). There is not just one "Cypriot Greek flag", it is a plethora of flags built on the same idea. Also, the connection to EOKA is very often present, but EOKA is hardly representative for Greek Cypriots in general. It is a bit like seeing Russian communists waving the Soviet flag and conclude that that is the flag of Russians in general. As for sources, we obviously do not find sources that it is official. But we need sources stating that there exists an unofficial Cypriot Greek flag that is representative for the Greeks Cypriots in general. --T*U (talk) 10:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
At this point you are wrong. This flag represents an ethnic group. Cypriots that are basically Greek. It is not political issue. If we don't put a flag like this one, we can just put a image of Greek Cypriots waving this flag without say in that is their flag. We can just say that is a flag which is used by the Greeks of Cyprus in order to show their and "Free Cyprus" identity. In the infobox, we can put the Cyprus flag next to Greek. A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (talk) 12:29, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- 1) What do you mean by
This flag
when there are so many different versions? 2) What evidence can you give that any of the many different flagsrepresents an ethnic group
as a whole and isnot political issue
? 3) Why should we have a picture ofimage of Greek Cypriots waving this flag
unless we can call it their flag? 4) What is it about sources you do not understand? Please read WP:V and WP:RS. Text likea flag which is used by the Greeks of Cyprus in order to show their and "Free Cyprus" identity
also needs a source. 5) Finally: The Cyprus flag and the Greek flag are national flags. They can not be used to show ethnicity. No way! --T*U (talk) 13:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC) - Addition: If you are fed up discussing with me, you could always try to get input from others. See WP:3O and WP:RFC for possible ways of attracting the interest of other editors. --T*U (talk) 13:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
You are from the occupited area, arent you? A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (talk) 14:16, 30 March 2018 (UTC)