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:::::I entirely agree with Beyond My Ken here. {{u|Major Dump}}, please refer to [[User_talk:Major_Dump#Hoping_to_de-escalate|the request I recently left on your user talk page]], and to Amerul's extremely thorough explanations as to why this content is [[WP:UNDUE]] at [[Talk:Economics of fascism#Major Dump's edit]]. I will also ask you to please avoid referring to me as "he". I use they/them pronouns. Thank you, [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 00:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC) |
:::::I entirely agree with Beyond My Ken here. {{u|Major Dump}}, please refer to [[User_talk:Major_Dump#Hoping_to_de-escalate|the request I recently left on your user talk page]], and to Amerul's extremely thorough explanations as to why this content is [[WP:UNDUE]] at [[Talk:Economics of fascism#Major Dump's edit]]. I will also ask you to please avoid referring to me as "he". I use they/them pronouns. Thank you, [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 00:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::This is not that article. This is a different article, about a different thing (fascism, not Nazism). A different sentence. And a different source. Explain your deletion. [[User:Major Dump|Major Dump]] ([[User talk:Major Dump|talk]]) 02:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC) |
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Contemporary fascism (2008-present)
The current iteration of this section contains only one citations, and it is WP:PRIMARY. I'd argue that the presentation of this source is also probably WP:UNDUE (as well as potentially unencyclopedic in WP:TONE) but that would be worth discussing. Rather than blanking or posting a big banner, I'll invite any page watchers here who would like to improve the article to focus on that section, especially locating and then summarizing reliable WP:SECONDARY sources which discuss contemporary fascist ideology explicitly. Thanks, Generalrelative (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Generalrelative's deletion of material
Here is what he reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fascism_and_ideology&type=revision&diff=1070294547&oldid=1070289535&diffmode=source
Quote from source: "Neither regime questioned private property and initiative, but at the same time, the market system no longer regulated the economy. The entire industrial and agricultural capacity of the state was subordinated to the goals set by the political leadership." Source: De Grand, A. J., Grand, D. E. (1995). Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany: the "fascist" style of rule. United Kingdom: Routledge.
This is reliably sourced. Generalrelative, you owe us all an explanation. Otherwise, it just looks like vandalism. Major Dump (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- But is WP:UNDUE in an article about Fascism and ideology, not one on Economy of Nazi Germany or Economics of Fascism, where you have already attempted to add similar material and could not find a consensus to do so. Your behavior is becoming disruptive, and is rapidly closing in on the point where it will be necessary to report you to AN/I. I would suggest that you give up your quest to insert material about Nazis and the regulation of business, which has been the thrust of almost ever edit you have made, or attempted to make, to Wikipedia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Incidentally, you should read WP:Vandalism - the definition of what is and isn't vandalism on Wikipedia is precise, and does not include what Generalrelative did. Calling another editor's edit "vandalism" when it is not is consider to be a personal attack, for which you can be sanctioned. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Your threats aren't going to stop me from trying to improve these articles, with reliably sourced material. Major Dump (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but you see, if your behavior continues, you can possibly be blocked from editing, in which case you won't be able to do anything to any articlesBeing reliably sourced is not the only requirement for material to be added to an article, it must also be relevant to the topic, and not be WP:UNDUE, a policy with which you haven't seemed to come to grips. If you add something, and other editors believe it to be undue and remove it, repeatedly, then you must not continue to WP:BLUDGEON discussions with the same arguments over and over again. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:20, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- I entirely agree with Beyond My Ken here. Major Dump, please refer to the request I recently left on your user talk page, and to Amerul's extremely thorough explanations as to why this content is WP:UNDUE at Talk:Economics of fascism#Major Dump's edit. I will also ask you to please avoid referring to me as "he". I use they/them pronouns. Thank you, Generalrelative (talk) 00:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- This is not that article. This is a different article, about a different thing (fascism, not Nazism). A different sentence. And a different source. Explain your deletion. Major Dump (talk) 02:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)