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Plenty to say that the 'sufferer' is not going insane. How are we defining insane? I think a more specific term would be apt. |
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"While a nuisance, and very distressing to the patient, <b>people with depersonalization disorder represent no risk to society</b>, since their grasp on reality remains intact." |
"While a nuisance, and very distressing to the patient, <b>people with depersonalization disorder represent no risk to society</b>, since their grasp on reality remains intact." |
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A person with DPD is just as likely to commit any act (criminal or otherwise) as is a "healthy" person. I have never been able to find evidence that shows people with DPD are dangerous. |
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This is contradicted by the results of a manslaughter case in Ireland <i>The People (DPP) v. O'Dwyer [2007] HC Unrep</i>. It was given in evidence and accepted by the jury that the defendant Patrick O'Dwyer (21) "...suffered from a mental disorder called "depersonalisation disorder". Its symptoms included detachment or estrangement from oneself, sensory anaesthesia, a lack of effective response and a lack of emotional response." <ref> Irish Times - Man jailed for six years for killing sister (17) http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2007/0619/1181771344723.html June 19 2007</ref> The facts of the case were such that the man carried out an <b>unprovoked</b> killing of his sister using a hammer, he then proceeded to stab her 90 times with a scissors and a knife. |
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Based on the facts of this case one has to question the claim that persons suffering from this disorder pose no risk to society. Can anyone throw light on this situation? -[[User:Rubensni|Rubensni]] 10.40, 19 June 2007 (UTC) |
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: While the jury and/or judge may have believed O'Dwyer did in fact suffer from depersonalization disorder, I can't find proof that a qualified mental health professional made the diagnosis. The given description is consistent with an episode of depersonalization, but no mention was given that this experience was persistent or recurring (and thus changing it from a transient symptom to a disorder).n |
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: According to the DSM, the second diagnostic criteria for DPD is that the patient must have intact reality testing. Intact reality testing means that a person can differentiate between what is real, and what is not. If O'Dwyer does have DPD, it means that he was aware of his actions during the murder, and the consequences of those actions. A person with DPD is just as likely to commit any act (criminal or otherwise) as is a "healthy" person. I have never been able to find evidence that shows people with DPD are dangerous. |
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: Mitigating factors seem to include alcohol, depression, and fatigue. Each of these things, seperately or combined, have been known to induce transient [[depersonalization]], which is NOT Depersonalization Disorder. A diagnosis of DPD can only be made if the experience of unreality is not caused by any substance (including alcohol), another mental disorder (like depression), or another physiological state (like fatigue). |
: Mitigating factors seem to include alcohol, depression, and fatigue. Each of these things, seperately or combined, have been known to induce transient [[depersonalization]], which is NOT Depersonalization Disorder. A diagnosis of DPD can only be made if the experience of unreality is not caused by any substance (including alcohol), another mental disorder (like depression), or another physiological state (like fatigue). |
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:: I added a link for the two pages in Simeon's book that speaks to reality testing. (The reference is a little off, since in APA the page numbers would be put in an in-text citation.) If you can find something more academic than a newspaper article that suggests people with DPD, in general, are dangerous, I'd be willing to re-consider what is presently in the article. For the moment, I think it should stand as it is. [[User:Absentis|Absentis]] 18:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC) |
:: I added a link for the two pages in Simeon's book that speaks to reality testing. (The reference is a little off, since in APA the page numbers would be put in an in-text citation.) If you can find something more academic than a newspaper article that suggests people with DPD, in general, are dangerous, I'd be willing to re-consider what is presently in the article. For the moment, I think it should stand as it is. [[User:Absentis|Absentis]] 18:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Plenty to say that the 'sufferer' is not going insane. How are we defining insane? I think a more specific term would be apt.
- I agree that another word could be used instead of 'insane', however it seems you're also suggesting that some evidence should be given that the sufferer is insane? --Ronius 13:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- As a DP sufferer, I don't balk at the use of the term "insane", since it's more colloquial than academic a term, and it gets the point across adequately. Perhaps linking the term "insane" to Mental Illness would suffice?
- Insane, crazy, nuts... the point is that's the way the person (the ordinary, non-technical person) feels when DPD appears. Since the person isn't really insane, we don't need a technical definition. Anyone who has suffered DPD can probably attest to that feeling, at least until the condition is diagnosed and explained to him/her. --ZZYZX 07:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed the entry for *Transcendental Meditation from the list of differential diagnoses, because it's not a disorder, as categorized by the heading which reads "Some disorders have similar symptoms. The clinicians must differentiate between and rule out the following disorders to establish a precise diagnosis." If someone else wants to find a more appropriate place for it, then that would probably be good. (No signature)
I deleted a few of the headings near the bottom as they had no information in them and looked untidy. If they're needed by someone, I suppose you could pick the page up from the history. Ronius 22:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I changed the abbreviation from DD to DPD. Daphne Simeon's book uses the DPD abbreviation. Secondly, a review of the literature shows that DPD is widely used in the medical and psychological community. Absentis 22:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
First Use
The article as it stands gives Amiel credit for using the word "depersonalized" first in 1880, but the Oxford English Dictionary has an example from 1866 by James Russell Lowell (in the Biglow Papers). I'm minded to delete the section altogether, unless there's some compelling reason for keeping as it is. Thoughts? Alexrexpvt 23:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- Daphne Simeon, in her book Feeling Unreal, quotes Amiel then states that he "gave birth to the term". I'm just going by what she's saying. Could you provide the example you're talking about? (I can't seem to find it.)
- I think that a history section should exist. If you look at some of the psychology featured articles, they have history sections. DPD has a long history both in mental illness and literature. Its easily linked with existentialism, for example.
- At the very least, don't get rid of the section; replace it with something. Absentis 01:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, meant to include it with my post. "1866 LOWELL Biglow P. Introd., He would have enabled me..to depersonalize myself into a vicarious egotism." The phrasing of the present section is a little ambiguous at any rate: it says that the first use of "depersonalization", i. e., the noun is in 1880; but then gives the first example of the participle. For the noun itself, specifically as a term of psychology, the first example the OED has is "1904 Amer. Jrnl. Psychol. XV. 589 The peculiar feelings of strangeness and depersonalization.", an anglicization of the French dépersonnalisation (1898). The OED page for "depersonalize" is here, although it's subscription only. Alexrexpvt 01:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Risk to Society
Opening paragraph 19 June 2007:
"While a nuisance, and very distressing to the patient, people with depersonalization disorder represent no risk to society, since their grasp on reality remains intact."
A person with DPD is just as likely to commit any act (criminal or otherwise) as is a "healthy" person. I have never been able to find evidence that shows people with DPD are dangerous.
- Mitigating factors seem to include alcohol, depression, and fatigue. Each of these things, seperately or combined, have been known to induce transient depersonalization, which is NOT Depersonalization Disorder. A diagnosis of DPD can only be made if the experience of unreality is not caused by any substance (including alcohol), another mental disorder (like depression), or another physiological state (like fatigue).
- I added a link for the two pages in Simeon's book that speaks to reality testing. (The reference is a little off, since in APA the page numbers would be put in an in-text citation.) If you can find something more academic than a newspaper article that suggests people with DPD, in general, are dangerous, I'd be willing to re-consider what is presently in the article. For the moment, I think it should stand as it is. Absentis 18:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
However, the problem is that, while you are suffering from DPD, you are not sure if you are actually in charge of your own actions - you aren't quite sure from moment to moment if it is actually you, or your body from which you are emotionally distanced, that is doing the acting. You don't know if your free will is intact. That is also why people who experience this over a long period of time CAN be a threat to society - you become not sure if you have a grip on reality or not, because it may dawn on you (I would say definitively that it does but I can't speak for others) that something isn't quite right about "who" or "what" is running your body. And the fear sets in that you could possibly do something that is not "you," but that you will not be able to control it, because you are just watching from within. Perhaps the bigger issue may be, that there different people have different experiences of DPD, and therefore, you can't make blanket statements about all sufferers of the disorder, as to whether or not they are attached to reality all the time. There is a difference between recognizing the "real world," and knowing that you are participating in it, and with DPD, you don't always know that you are actually participating in it. That's kind of why it's a disorder. Kelelain 00:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Cultural References
This type of section is clearly encyclopedic. Just take a look at schizophrenia and down syndrome, both featured articles on a mental disorder, and you will see a section on 'cultural references' and 'portrayal in fiction'. Numb is verified by the film's official production website [1], and Tarnation is backed up by this movie review.[2] Absentis 15:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, it's not. As an academic, I feel that the cultural references in any and all of the psych and soc articles are inappropriate. But, if you're feeling is that a movie review is a legitimate reference source, well, then, who am I to argue with that.
- And sign your posts...it shows that you are writing with haste and emotion, not forethought. --DashaKat 15:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
References
- ^ http://insightfilm.com/numb.html August 5 2007
- ^ http://www.reel.com/movie.asp?MID=139445&Tab=reviews&CID=13 August 5 2007
ego death
This concept looks a lot like a stage setting for later ego death related experiences brought upon by certain kind of meditation or psychedelics. Buddhism and Zen (enlightenment) also strive to reach the effect of "automation" and the loss of the sense of self. This article does not mention this, and is heavily biased towards the negative side of this effect. --Procrastinating@talk2me 13:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)