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*"Just prior to his departure, at 7 pm on the evening of May 17, 13 1/2 hours before the eruption, Glicken took a photograph of Johnston sitting with a computer on his lap, smiling." |
*"Just prior to his departure, at 7 pm on the evening of May 17, 13 1/2 hours before the eruption, Glicken took a photograph of Johnston sitting with a computer on his lap, smiling." |
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:If this refers to [[:File:MSH80 david johnston at camp 05-17-80 med.jpg|the lead image used in the article]], then we need a source for this, as from what I can see when you expand the image, he is holding a pen and writing in a notebook, not using a computer (did they even ''have'' laptops then?). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 12:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC) |
:If this refers to [[:File:MSH80 david johnston at camp 05-17-80 med.jpg|the lead image used in the article]], then we need a source for this, as from what I can see when you expand the image, he is holding a pen and writing in a notebook, not using a computer (did they even ''have'' laptops then?). [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 12:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC) |
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== Book on the people affected by the eruption == |
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There is a book [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GT-UKfPDO-gC&source=gbs_navlinks_s here] titled ''Echoes of fury: the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens and the lives it changed forever'' (Frank Parchman, 2005). With some amazing pictures of the destruction and the people involved. It also has several references to Johnston. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 04:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC) |
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If he held a Ph.D, should he be referred to as "Dr. David Johnston?" 152.1.223.8 (talk) 03:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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Gerry or Jerry Martin?
when searching for W6TQF some webpages gives jerry as forename —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.64.179.4 (talk) 12:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Johnston Ridge Observatory
This article here may help with the history of the observatory and visitor centre. "The U.S. Forest Service, which operates the Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument, closed Coldwater Ridge permanently in 2007, just 14 years after it opened." Ah, that is something different. "Skamania County Commissioner Paul Pearce, who co-chaired the committee, said the Johnston Ridge Observatory, which opened a few years after Coldwater Ridge, serves much the same purpose as Coldwater did. “I think there are different uses for those facilities,” Pearce said." And not to do with Johnston so much, but more the upcoming anniversary, I found this. Carcharoth (talk) 14:38, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- Don't know anything about the documentary The Eruption of Mount St. Helens!, and I suspect Johnston's story is only mentioned in passing in that film, but thought it was worth mentioning. If that film has documentary footage of him, it might be worth mentioning in the article. The best article I found on the visitor centres (one of which, the Johnston Ridge Observatory, was names after Johnston) is here (I added that to the article. And I added in a cited reference to the 2006 docudrama series Surviving Disaster. Jars a bit, as he didn't survive, but it does actually feature his story quite heavily. Carcharoth (talk) 15:09, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- I tried (and failed) to find out exactly when the ridge was named in Johnston's honour. What I did find was that the place where he was observing from was variously called the "Coldwater II observation post" or the "Coldwater II ridge". I also found out that the JRO (Johnston Ridge Observatory) was opened in May 1997 (see here) and there is more here on the JRO, but that the other references to a Johnston observatory are sometimes referring to the Cascades Volcano Observatory (CVO) in Vancouver, also named in his honour in 1982 (see here). Hopefully what I put in the article has cleared up that point of potential confusion. I'm going to add details of the JRO memorial, and the co-ords, and that will be it from me for a bit. Oh, and I found a very dark image of the inside of the JRO with the view out of the observation window. Not sure if that is suitable for this article or not (it is kind of the view Johnston would have had). Carcharoth (talk) 16:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Location and timing
Is it possible to pinpoint the location and timing more precisely. Geographical co-ordinates for Johnston Ridge would be good. And are there any estimates as to how long from the time of the eruption to the time the pyroclastic flows reached Johnston? There is a graphic I've included here, and I wondered if Johnston Ridge is on that. Also, an actual picture of the eruption would seem logical, but from the absence of a picture of the eruption on the main article, I presume the iconic pictures are all copyrighted? Carcharoth (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2010 (UTC) There is a nice picture of the eruption here
- Co-ordinates for the Johnston Ridge Observatory are easy to find: [1]. There is a good map here. Description of the visitor centres here. Description of the Johnston Ridge Observatory here. And finally, a webcam from the JRO here (it is snowing this weekend, it says). Johnston will be named on actual memorials at one or more of these visitor centres. Will try and track down a picture of the memorial. Carcharoth (talk) 15:36, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- Some pictures from Flickr (to give an idea of what is out there, or what could be taken): close-up of memorial with volcano in background, the official monument inscription (I think), and a similar picture (very atmospheric). A full view of the memorial with the names inscribed on it is on this page. One of the pages said Johnston was killed "42 seconds" after his radio call was made. Presumably there is a time somewhere for when the radio signal was lost? Carcharoth (talk) 15:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Location of Johnston Ridge
Is there an accepted way to integrate the coords of Johnston Ridge into the article? I've only ever put coords in infoboxes, not in article text, so I'm not sure how to do that. The co-ords (using the 'reliable' method of dropping down from orbit to find the place on Google Maps) are "46.275632,-122.217187". You can get right down to a 50 metre scale on Google Maps. I would convert that into a coord template, but I have to pop out for a moment. Carcharoth (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- The other point is that it is very easy to confuse references to the Cascades Volcano Observatory (CVO) and the Johnston Ridge Observatory (JRO). The former is the USGS offices in Vancouver. The latter is the visitor centre built on the ridge where the Coldwater II observation post was located (where Johnston was when the volcano erupted). Both observatories are named after Johnston, so references to the "Johnston Observatory" need to be clear which one is being referred to. Carcharoth (talk) 15:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Sources needed for the following
- "Ham radio operator Jerry Martin observed the lateral blast overtaking Johnston's camp. Though Johnston's remains have never been found, remnants of his USGS trailer were found by state highway workers in 1993."
- This is in the lead section but not in the main text of the article and is currently not sourced. Carcharoth (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
- Done (by Ceranthor). Carcharoth (talk) 20:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
- "Just prior to his departure, at 7 pm on the evening of May 17, 13 1/2 hours before the eruption, Glicken took a photograph of Johnston sitting with a computer on his lap, smiling."
- If this refers to the lead image used in the article, then we need a source for this, as from what I can see when you expand the image, he is holding a pen and writing in a notebook, not using a computer (did they even have laptops then?). Carcharoth (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Book on the people affected by the eruption
There is a book here titled Echoes of fury: the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens and the lives it changed forever (Frank Parchman, 2005). With some amazing pictures of the destruction and the people involved. It also has several references to Johnston. Carcharoth (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)