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*'''Support''' per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. The minor historical significance of the [[Cesarò|obscure commune]] (not even a town), which is negligible, is totally dwarfed by the much higher likelihood of the wrestler to be sought - just look at the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-01-21&end=2019-04-21&pages=Cesaro|Cesaro_(wrestler)|Cesar%C3%B2|Ces%C3%A0ro_equation page views]! --[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 17:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. The minor historical significance of the [[Cesarò|obscure commune]] (not even a town), which is negligible, is totally dwarfed by the much higher likelihood of the wrestler to be sought - just look at the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-01-21&end=2019-04-21&pages=Cesaro|Cesaro_(wrestler)|Cesar%C3%B2|Ces%C3%A0ro_equation page views]! --[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 17:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per [[WP:SMALLDETAILS]] and В²C. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 17:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' per [[WP:SMALLDETAILS]] and В²C. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 17:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. The Italian mathematician has more long-term significance than the wrestler and is appears [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03009937?LI=true without] [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s006050070004 the] [https://www.degruyter.com/view/j/anly.1988.8.issue-1-2/anly.1988.8.12.47/anly.1988.8.12.47.xml diacritic] just often enough that I don't think [[WP:SMALLDETAILS]] is going to cut it. SMALLDETAILS is generally used to justify a comparatively obscure or specialized topic (e.g. [[Airplane!]]) taking over a title on the basis of its unusual orthography, and should not be used on the simplest variant of a term as that is what people are likely to be typing into the search bar; English speakers are very unlikely to search with diacritics. -- [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♥</font>]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|<font color="red">♦</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|<font color="black">♣</font>]] ♠ 04:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC) |
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Hometown
I'm not quite sure Claudio's hometown in Switzerland is Schaffhausen, I've read Luzern on some websites. If somebody can help... By the way why not write "Swizterland" after the hometown??? That's the same thing as US States, when a wrestler isn't American he's always billed with his country.
Claudio's name
So, Claudio Castagnoli is his real name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm912 (talk • contribs)
- Is there any reason to think it isn't? Tromboneguy0186 11:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- A lot of wrestling names are stage names, its a legit question. 65.30.42.124 05:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
True, but is there any particular reason to think that of this name? Yes, plenty of ring names sound like real names (Christopher Daniels, Jimmy Jacobs, Alex Shelley, Roderick Strong, Shawn Michaels, Nigel McGuinness, and Eric Young all come to mind) but unless there's a reason to definitely think otherwise it's a bit silly to think this or any ostensibly real name isn't one. Nosleep1234 16:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Claudio's age
This article and OWW both state that his birthday is December 27, 1974, making him 32. However, his profile on Cagematch.net says his birthday is December 27, 1980, making him 26. Castagnoli's My Space says he is 26 years old. Nenog 23:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Requested move (2013)
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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 10:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Claudio Castagnoli → Antonio Cesaro – Castagnoli has been performing as "Antonio Cesaro" for over 18 months now. He has appeared on television globally under this ring name, whereas his performances as "Claudio Castagnoli" were overwhelmingly untelevised. McPhail (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support as nominator. McPhail (talk) 19:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The exposure he has gotten in his 18 months with WWE has made Cesaro his WP:COMMONNAME.LM2000 (talk) 23:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support - also, let's not forget, he featured on television screens worldwide as the WWE United States Champion for about seven to eight months. Starship.paint (talk) 03:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support - as above. Duffs101 (talk) 09:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support; seems to be the more common name now. bobrayner (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support per nom. One of the effects of making the big leagues, as it were. oknazevad (talk) 23:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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New Signature Move
Starting July 2013, debuted a swinging rear chinlock. Referee treats it as a possible submission, but seems to be more of a set-up for the Neutralizer. 218.212.229.196 (talk) 16:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Vandalism
There is extensive vandalism in this article that has yet to be addressed. The section headings in every section from Section 1.4.2 onward contains references to female wrestling achievements, and other things that are obviously not applicable to the subject of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.201.229 (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Weewooweewooweewooweewoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C4EA:14D0:2DF1:D6F7:C1BC:BB83 (talk) 12:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Potential name tweak
Just a heads up, his WWE Bio and the Elimination Chamber preview on WWE.com now list him as just "Cesaro", has this been referred to on live TV yet? Duffs101 (talk) 00:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Not on the last Raw, but probably on this week's SmackDown that was taped but not aired yet. starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 11:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Antonio Cescaro has offically changed his ring name to Cescaro. Just a little note, move the page if you want Moel 5.0 (talk) 04:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, this is clearly covered in the article. However, there is no way the article will be moved anytime soon. See WP:COMMONNAME, he has been known worldwide under the full name for years, and has been under the new name for less than a week. STATic message me! 04:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2014
Finishing moves As (Antonio) Cesaro Neutralizer (NXT / WWE) / Gotch Style Neutralizer (FCW) (Cradle belly-to-back inverted mat slam)[5][171][172] Very European Uppercut (FCW) / Super Uppercut (WWE)[173] (Pop-up European uppercut,[171] sometimes as a counter to a diving opponent)[174] – used as a signature move in WWE Bridging German Suplex "Cesaro used it like 3-4 times, maybe it's not that much but I think it will be his regular finisher. It's just a suggestion." Mattias Lucas (talk) 14:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Requested move (2014)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) —innotata 17:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Antonio Cesaro → Cesaro (wrestler) – Arguably his common name now. He spent two years as "Antonio Cesaro" but has received peak exposure by just his last name (i.e., his role with Paul Heyman). It's time to make the move. GeicoHen (talk) 22:01, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose Cesaro is in name, the reference is from name Antonio Cesaro, its a branding nonsense for an actor called Claudio Castagnoli. Gregkaye ✍♪ 04:16, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose It's a toss up as to which is the more popular name, but at least Antonio Cesaro is a natural disambiguator.LM2000 (talk) 00:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - I think it's inaccurate to say that he received the peak exposure with Heyman. He certainly did not have much success with Heyman. A natural disambiguation exists anyway. With a picture, there should be no cause for confusion. Cesaro (wrestler) can stay as a redirect. starship.paint ~ regal 02:39, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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name change
why is his name still antonio cesaro he has been Cesaro for almost a year — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:ACC2:500:2881:9A9F:1334:BEF7 (talk) 04:29, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- Can we please update Cesaro's name from 'Antonio Cesaro' to 'Cesaro' as that's his name now? --MasonWikia (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
- Antonio Cesaro is WP:NATDAB which is why it is kept. Just like Alexander Rusev. Ranze (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Finishing maneuver
Neutralizer (NXT/WWE) / Gotch Style Neutralizer (FCW) (Cradle belly-to-back inverted mat slam, with theatrics) – 2012-2014; used rarely thereafter
Because he has been in a tag team for almost all of 2015, where most of the matches were won by Kidd or by a sequence of other moves. He used the Neutralizer as a finisher against Cena in his one high-profile match of the year showing that it is still considered his finishing move. Though technically that may be "rarely used," it does not take context into account. It also does not offer up another finishing maneuver that he is using in place of the Neutralizer. As it stands, this page lists no current finisher, and honestly I believe it's too little a spans of time to deem it "rarely used." Sherick (talk) 02:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Spinning springboard
During the 6 July 2015 Raw, the announcers called the move a "springboard uppercut" and I added it, but it got reverted. Possibly because it didn't deserve to be under 'finishers' ? I guess his normal pop-up uppercut was finisher in NXT but demoted to signature in main roster?
"spinning springboard European variation" is the term used by WWE.com for the move though: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2015-07-06/wwe-raw-results-27609511/page-10
Under "Multiple European uppercut variations" we do have "springboard" but not "spinning springboard" so I would like to add it, using this recent match as a reference.
@Darkwind: Since the article is currently locked to administrators I would like to appeal to admins oversighting the article to add this newest variation. The spin looked super-cool and more powerful than a basic non-spinning springboard. Ranze (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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I support this addition, especially considering the WWE website referenced it as well. Sherick (talk) 07:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Cesaro section
The article has a heading for Cesaro section but the extensive text under it has no reference to what CS is and how it came about. Needs adding or the heading should be edited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.19.2 (talk) 17:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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Requested move 16 November 2016
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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Antonio Cesaro → Cesaro (wrestler) – Like Big E and Rusev, both recently moved, the fictional first name here hasn't been used in years, was only used briefly, and is too obscure to act as WP:NATDAB. Dropping it is overdue. oknazevad (talk) 01:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
SUPPORT per nom Chris "WarMachineWildThing" Talk to me 04:06, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Support Antonio Cesaro is too obscure to keep at this point --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:07, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
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Evaluation of the article
1. I believe that everything in the article is relevant to the topic because it highlights the major phases of Cesaro's career as a wrestler, which he is well known for. I appreciated having around one image for every sub-section to provide more information and insight about his career. 2. I am concerned about the amount of out of date information. Editors may be missing opportunities to update the info every time Cesaro wrestles. However, I think that we can keep the current amount of information since it covers a significant stretch of time in Cesaro's career. Overall, I like the amount of information on this article and the way it is organized. --IMZ Editor (talk) 03:59, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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Birthplace
There is a discussion taking place on Talk:List of people from Lucerne regarding Claudio Castagniolo's birthplace. Most sources say Lucerne, though some sources say Weggis which is a small town in the district of Lucerne. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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Requested move 23 April 2019
– WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The others on Cesaro do not receive anywhere close to the amount of page views or coverage in reliable sources.StaticVapor message me! 04:30, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose the mathematical window and Italian town have longer term significance under criteria 2. See Gbooks. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:49, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Cesaro equation not commonly referred to as "Cesaro" and hatnote to the town would be a fine compromise. This page sees 100x the views that the town does. StaticVapor message me! 07:05, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- STATicVapor can you tell us the second criteria of Primary Topic In ictu oculi (talk) 15:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Google books "Cesaro" "wrestling" turns up plenty of results too. Based on the article for the town, it is hardly significant anyways in the first place. People coming to Wikipedia are clearly looking for this person, rather than any of the other options. StaticVapor message me! 18:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- STATicVapor can you tell us the second criteria of Primary Topic In ictu oculi (talk) 15:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support It is clearly the primary topic of anything spelled Cesaro. The pages In ictu oculi mentions are not the same spelling, so any confusion can easily be fixed with a hatnote. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 14:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support The mathematics formula and town do not have the same spelling. Cesaro, the wrestler, is the most notable page named "Cesaro". MARIOFan78 20:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Of course they have the same spelling. In American English words do not have accents. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as per In ictu oculi. Accents are not enough to distinguish lemmata. Str1977 (talk) 22:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. 111.68.115.165 (talk) 03:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per In ictu oculi. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:32, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
- Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The minor historical significance of the obscure commune (not even a town), which is negligible, is totally dwarfed by the much higher likelihood of the wrestler to be sought - just look at the page views! --В²C ☎ 17:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS and В²C. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. The Italian mathematician has more long-term significance than the wrestler and is appears without the diacritic just often enough that I don't think WP:SMALLDETAILS is going to cut it. SMALLDETAILS is generally used to justify a comparatively obscure or specialized topic (e.g. Airplane!) taking over a title on the basis of its unusual orthography, and should not be used on the simplest variant of a term as that is what people are likely to be typing into the search bar; English speakers are very unlikely to search with diacritics. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)