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:I agree. There's no need for this much information to be here instead of the sub-articles on this history. -- [[User:Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Khazar|talk]]) 04:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC) |
:I agree. There's no need for this much information to be here instead of the sub-articles on this history. -- [[User:Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Khazar|talk]]) 04:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC) |
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==Persian era?== |
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Overemphasizing the events of the Second Persian Invasion (here as well as in other articles such as [[Greece]], [[Greek History]]) by labelling the correspondent section as 'Persian era' is clearly [[wp:undo weight]]. This was nothing more than a failed invasion which lasted 2-3 years in total, generally described in history as "Persian Wars" and of course the expressions "incorporation of Thessaly into the Persian Empire" is misleading. Moreover the addition of the Achaemenid Empire map is the epitomy of wp:undue here, while even the correspondent map of the Greek-Persian Wars is absent in this article.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 07:30, 25 December 2014 (UTC) |
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Proofreader's notes
Some suggestions/observations that arose during my proofread:
- It would be good to make a note somewhere in the article--at least for a while--that it's a translation. I believe I've seen that done elsewhere, but not sure where.
- The corresponding article on FR WP has since been broken up into separate articles. Someone familiar with the related EN articles may want to consider following suit here, or at least adding/redoing some interwiki links.
- The original FR WP article was apparently fr:Époque classique; by the time the English translation process was complete, the FR WP article had been made into a stub and its body moved into two articles (5th c. and 4th c.): fr:Grèce classique au Ve siècle and fr:Grèce classique au IVe siècle.
- I suggest all dates drop the "BC" and the article have a note at the top explaining that all dates are BC unless otherwise indicated. This is common practice in books and articles dealing primarily with BC dates.
- The title of the first sub-section under Theban hegemony..., 5th-century Boeotion confederacy (447-386), doesn't seem to jive with the 4th-century events described in it.
- Please note that I am not an expert on this topic and may have misinterpreted some French expressions as a result.
-Eric (talk) 21:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Too centered on Athens?
This article seems slightly too focused on Athens to me. I understand that they were the most significant state during that time period, but they were far from the only one, and other events happening at that time like what was happening in the Greek Colonies at the time seems to be understated. Thanks. Lemming42 (talk) 19:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
"Too centered on Athens" is basically what the term "Classical Greece" means. It is also extremely easy to find tons of references that place the "classical period" at around 480-323 BC[1] so I really don't know what the "citation needed" tag is doing here. This is a case of where the statement under question is so commonplace and part of general education that it is difficult to pick one specific "reference". This is different from a statement that is unreferenced because not a single reference has been found, to the point where I wonder if the tag was placed in good faith to begin with. One brief google books search would have been enough to convince anyone. --46.245.145.186 (talk) 06:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Poor Quality
This article needs to be severely overhauled. Between the misspellings, the confusing backtracking text, and lack of citations makes for a very poor and unintelligable article. I will try to catch and fix all of the typos, but someone more familiar with the origins of content needs to varify things and reorganize.JanderVK (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
European Civilization or Western Civilization
The opening sentence says "Classical Greece was a culture that was highly advanced and which heavily influenced the cultures of Ancient Rome and still has an enduring effect on European civilization". I am going to change European civilization to Western civilization since it seems obvious to me that classical greece has a broader influence on the entire Western world and not just Europe. Any objections, thoughts, ect.? 99.241.90.42 (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, "Western civilization" grew out of European civilization during colonialism, so indirectly, yes, anything that gave rise to European civilization also gave rise to "Western civilization", a fortiori. --46.245.145.186 (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Pelop. War section too long
This section seems overly long. I know that it is a pivotal era of Classical Greece, but there is a lot of repetition (especially in the early paragraphs, where it repeats almost verbatim aspects of the section preceding it), and it has its own article. It really needs to be pared down. I am not enough of an expert to determine what's the detail, and what's the major points, so I'm asking please for an experienced editor of this article to take a look at this. I think the length is and level of detail is far too much. It would help the flow of the article to summarize. Jbower47 (talk) 13:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. There's no need for this much information to be here instead of the sub-articles on this history. -- Khazar (talk) 04:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Persian era?
Overemphasizing the events of the Second Persian Invasion (here as well as in other articles such as Greece, Greek History) by labelling the correspondent section as 'Persian era' is clearly wp:undo weight. This was nothing more than a failed invasion which lasted 2-3 years in total, generally described in history as "Persian Wars" and of course the expressions "incorporation of Thessaly into the Persian Empire" is misleading. Moreover the addition of the Achaemenid Empire map is the epitomy of wp:undue here, while even the correspondent map of the Greek-Persian Wars is absent in this article.Alexikoua (talk) 07:30, 25 December 2014 (UTC)