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Clark Gable was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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Trivia
Some of the trivia sound like romantic urban legends and really need to be substantiated. Since I'm no authority on Gable, I haven't removed them -- but someone with the knowhow might want to take a look at them. Particularly the ones about the Greta Garbo fued, the Adolph Hitler bounty and the tombstone quote seem fishy to me. 195.184.109.162 23:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Estate
His former estate in Encino, California was carved up to make several homes in the 1970s.
The article Judy Lewis says that Clark Gable and Loretta Young had a child. I asked my grandmother and she said that it was never proven. Is she correct? If so, it needs to be removed from Judy Lewis. I'm going to post it on her article, too. Mike H 00:53, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)
- My understanding is that Judy Lewis has stated this on a number of occasions,and for many years it was a rumour, but I'm sure that Loretta Young towards the end of her life, supported her story. It needs to be checked somehow before removing it. Rossrs 13:16, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I don't know if anyone has verified this yet, but Loretta said she indeed became pregnant by Clark Gable and give birth to Judy in the book "Forever Young."Chandler75 04:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Crash incident
I have removed the following:
- In September 1942 a Dakota took off from Pershore Airfield, Worcestershire, England with an American Film crew on board starting to make an air gunnery film. Experiencing engine trouble they made an emergency landing on Perdiswell Airfield, Worcester's grass field.The plane slid across the wet grass and crashed through the boundary fence onto the Bilford Road and into the Cities rubbish tip, damaging the landing gear and one engine.
- On board was General Spaatz, the senior American in Europe, who broke his ankle. He was heard to grumble "I didn't cross the Atlantic to land in the towns trash heap". In the Co-Pilots seat was a very shaken Film Star Clark Gable who was helped out by the RAF police on gate duty.According to official records he was on flight training in Texas, but had actually taken leave and hitched a lift with Spaatz and the film crew across the Atlantic.They were all taken to the RAF Officers mess in Perdiswell Hall for a little drop of something for shock.
- The plane blocked the road for some days until it was dismantled and loaded onto an RAF 'Queen Mary' long trailer.
- I have tried without success to trace what happened to the plane "Idiots Delight" named after one of Gables pre-war films. Is there any official record of this interesting incident? Did any of the film taken survive? I would be grateful for any information to help completethe record. I was only twelve at the time but remember the Flying Instuctor pilots who were billeted with us telling my motherall about the handsome Gable.
- Photographs of "Idiots Delight" are available. Max
Until the incident is verified by official record and/or a first-hand account, it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. Certainly statesments like, "I would be grateful for any information to help completethe [sic] record" don't belong in the article. — Walloon 19:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC) First Hand Account. I have a letter dated 1988 from the Sergeant who helped Gable from the plane and then lived in Northern Ireland. He was suffering from severe arthritis and is probably not alive now. I was also present when Flying Officer Davies, Senior Pediswell Instructor and Flying Officer Medland told my parents about the incident. Coupled with the photographs of "Idiots Delight" lying in the 'trash tip' surely the incident deserves its place in history. Max Sinclair All I would like to know is did "Idiots Delight" survive the war. American records have proved hopeless. Max
Drunk driving
I have removed:
- Gable was once involved in a traffic accident while intoxicated. A pedestrian was killed. Supposedly, Mayer used his influence to get the incident hushed up. [source: CJAD Radio, May 14/ 06]
This it too serious an allegation — homicide — to rely on something someone once heard on the radio. The recent book Clark Gable: A Biography, by Warren G. Morris, discusses Gable's drunk driving accident on p. 279:
- In March [1945], Gable's heavy drinking finally caught up with him. While driving home from a party celebrating the America victory on Iwo Jima, he lost control of the car as he passed through Bristol Circle, a dense tree-filled traffic island on Sunset Boulevard in residential Brentwood in West Los Angeles. . . .
- Howard Strickling [MGM's publicity manager] later claimed that Gable crashed into a tree on the front lawn of the home of Harry Friedman, a talent agent for MCA. According to Strickling, Friedman knew enough about the industry's penchant for secrecy to phone MGM instead of the cops.
- "It wouldn't have been good if a photographer arrived and snapped Clark Gable lying on the lawn covered with blood and his car all cracked up," Strickling said. After a studio doctor arrived to patch up Gable, he was taken to Cedars of Lebanon Hospital, and the wrecked car was quickly towed away.
Morris interviewed Strickling on this circa 1972, long after Gable was dead. Strickling is quoted candidly on Gable, good and bad, elsewhere throughout the book. — Walloon 01:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The picture??
The picture looks misrable. In all fairness, he was quite good looking. I think this picture isn't a good representation. How about changing it to something else - like this one?
http://members.lycos.nl/petrabr/tara/reth.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.181.222.89 (talk) 07:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
A picture like his imdb headshot would be a good idea. (DaveyJones1968 17:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC))
- You're going to have a lot of problems finding a picture that isn't copyrighted. The one in the article is from an uncopyrighted trailer, but I'd guess that all publicity stills and other photographs are owned by someone. Good luck, but remember that Wikipedia policy is that copyright is more important that quality. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The Postal Service - Clark Gable [Song]
any relation to the person?
GA Fail
- It is reasonably well written.
- a (prose): b (MoS):
- a (prose): b (MoS):
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars etc.:
- No edit wars etc.:
- It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
I came to this review, excited at the chance to pass Clark Gable as a Good Article. Unfortunately, at the current time, there are too many problems with the article for it to be passed as a Good Article at this time. Here are just some of the most pressing concerns:
- The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it must summarize all the major points/headings made in the article. Currently, it does not even come close to doing this.
- All one-two sentence paragraphs must be either expanded or merged with the surrounding paragraphs, as they cannot stand alone.
- There is far too much uncited material in this article to allow it to pass. Examples include:
- Various bits and pieces in the "Early life" (as a general, although not strict, rule of thumb, each paragraph at least should end with a citation)
- Ditto for the "Hollywood" section
- Statements that purport to get into Gable's head: "She thought he was a wooden actor while he considered her a snob." (Hollywood) for example
- Potentially controversial claims, such as "Throughout most of the 1930s and 1940s, he was arguably the world's biggest movie star."
- Much of the unfortunately titled (see below) "Most famous roles," especially those parts that deal with the problems mentioned above
- Much of "Marriage to Carole Lombard"
- Much of "After World War II"
- The ENTIRE children section, especially since it's not exactly standard material.
- Addressing the "citation needed" tags under "Death" would be very crucial as well.
- In addition, I think that there is a significant problem with tone in this article that contributes to my questioning of how neutral this article is. For one thing, it focus very heavily on information obtained from a single biography and at times reads more like a casual biography of the subject than an encyclopedic article. For example, the following is lovely for a book about Gable, but is not very encyclopedic in tone:
- ""His ears are too big and he looks like an ape." So said Warner Bros. executive Darryl F. Zanuck about Clark Gable after testing him for the lead in Warner's gangster drama Little Caesar (1931).[10] After several failed screen tests for Barrymore and Zanuck, Gable was signed in 1930 by MGM's Irving Thalberg. He became a client of agent Minna Wallis, well-connected sister of producer Hal Wallis and very close friend of Norma Shearer."
- Even worse, it is insufficiently cited. A statement such as "After moving to California, they were married again in 1931, possibly due to differences in state legal requirements" is purely speculative without a citation.
- ""His ears are too big and he looks like an ape." So said Warner Bros. executive Darryl F. Zanuck about Clark Gable after testing him for the lead in Warner's gangster drama Little Caesar (1931).[10] After several failed screen tests for Barrymore and Zanuck, Gable was signed in 1930 by MGM's Irving Thalberg. He became a client of agent Minna Wallis, well-connected sister of producer Hal Wallis and very close friend of Norma Shearer."
- A heading such as "Most famous roles" is completely subjective and non-neutral. Articles and headings are to avoid direct references to notability and instead establish it through the prose itself. Maybe you can call it "high profile roles" or something, but "Most famous" is completely unacceptable.
Overall, the article does not read like a well-written encyclopedic listing of Clark Gable and, furthermore, is only sparsely cited. Normally, when a review encounters a small number of problems, the article is put on hold to allow for changes to be made. In this case, however, the need for better citations and improved tone is too critical to merit a hold. I suggest that, before renomination, that biographies of FA actors and actresses are reviewed to get a sense of an appropriate tone for Wikipedia. It's difficult for me to describe exactly what's wrong with the tone, but it should become clear by looking at Featured Biographies. If you feel that this review is in error, you may take to good article reassessment. Cheers, CP 04:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
LGBT?
An editor has added the LGBT project banner to this article. Do the two sentences about one writers assertions really justify adding it to the project? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)