Tag: 2017 wikitext editor |
|||
Line 112: | Line 112: | ||
The lead prominently describes the CCP as practicing "Democratic centralism". This is only sourced to the party's self-published journal, which is not a reliable source for this claim. The term "Democratic centralism" obfuscates that this is an authoritarian ruling party and misleads readers into thinking the party has "democratic" procedures. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 21:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
The lead prominently describes the CCP as practicing "Democratic centralism". This is only sourced to the party's self-published journal, which is not a reliable source for this claim. The term "Democratic centralism" obfuscates that this is an authoritarian ruling party and misleads readers into thinking the party has "democratic" procedures. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 21:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
||
:Even if you think it is not practiced in the way it is purported, Democratic Centralism is a key part of the organization of Communist parties since Lenin. I undid your edit removing the section, and cleaned it a bit with a better citation. May do more later. [[User:BSMRD|BSMRD]] ([[User talk:BSMRD|talk]]) 21:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
:Even if you think it is not practiced in the way it is purported, Democratic Centralism is a key part of the organization of Communist parties since Lenin. I undid your edit removing the section, and cleaned it a bit with a better citation. May do more later. [[User:BSMRD|BSMRD]] ([[User talk:BSMRD|talk]]) 21:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
||
:Clearly it should be in the lede, and clearly we can source this claim with the Constitution of the CPC and of the PRC, as well as this journal. If you have some source that claims democratic centralism is not ''upheld ''in the CPC/PRC, then we can either add this view later on in the article or mention in the lede - yet you removed the whole sentence that said the party '''officially''' upheld democratic centralism (this is not a claim about whether democratic centralism is upheld in practice, mind you). If you think it's "obfuscatory mumbo jumbo", you obviously don't know what it means, and by the comment that it "misleads readers into thinking the party has "democratic" procedures", you further show your ignorance on the matter. The word democracy is not synonymous with Western liberal parliamentary democracy and your claim that the CPC doesn't have democratic procedures is laughable, given the history of democratic centralism in communist parties and given the contemporary history of the CPC. '''[[User:Acalycine|Acalycine]] ([[User talk:Acalycine|talk]])''' 06:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC) |
Revision as of 06:41, 9 August 2021
This article is of interest to multiple WikiProjects. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Other talk page banners | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2021
Delete the Controversy section because it is a repetition of the other parts of the article. 208.59.126.226 (talk) 19:53, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
It looks like other people also unanimously suggested this above.
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{edit semi-protected}}
template. Cannolis (talk) 16:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)- Done @Cannolis:, please refer to the #Question on Controversy section RfC above. I have made the requested change since this hasn't happened for a week after I closed the above discussion with a clear consensus to remove. (non-admin closure) Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:34, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Proposal: Move page to "Communist Party of China" and redirect "Chinese Communist Party" there
The Communist Party of China refers to itself as such and uses "CPC" exclusively - it doesn't really make sense for the page to be under "Chinese Communist Party" (CCP). Also the article itself starts with The Communist Party of China (CPC) [...] Pasta Enjoyer (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Interestingly at a recent National Press Club meeting in Canberra, Wang Xining, Deputy Head of Mission, was at pains to remark at length on the incorrectness of the term Chinese Communist Party adding that even given his own rather slight qualifications, he was able, if asked, to offer an hour long discourse on a) the significance of the correct (English form) term, CPC/Communist Party of China and b) equally why CCP/Chinese Communist Party was quite incorrect. Why it's seen by them as so sensitive was really not apparent, though it's just possible that the order of ideographs has some significance beyond non-Chinese readers.
Worth watching, as he begins as Mr Nice Guy on the day (presumably under instruction) but turns to the usual stern finger wagging aggro when under questioning by a free Press Corp (again, likely under instruction). See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkVz89lHNt8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.18.0.2 (talk) 04:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
This has been debated over and over. Please start with the 2009 discussion, and work your way though it before bringing it up again. DOR (HK) (talk) 16:55, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't see why it matters if there's debate. "Chinese Communist Party" is objectively the incorrect term, and Wikipedia should at least reflect the proper name in its title and links. It doesn't matter which term is more commonly used, what matters is that one term is wrong and the other term is correct. Gnerkistanislaviyort (talk) 01:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- The argument goes that WP:COMMONNAME applies and that CCP is the common name in English, even if it's officially wrong. I don't wholly agree, but that's the argument. BSMRD (talk) 16:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
I would prefer Communist Party of China since "common names" (in this case "CCP") are not always valid per WP:OFFICIAL. --HypVol (talk) 13:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- For reference, BBC and the Indian Express have both used "CPC". --HypVol (talk) 13:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Founded in Huangpu District, Shanghai?
Does this article indicate that the birthplace of the Chinese Communist Party was the Huangpu District, Shanghai? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 20:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Scott Perry
We say, "On 1 October 2020, U.S. Congressman Scott Perry introduced legislation to add the CCP to the Top International Criminal Organizations Target (TICOT) List and provide the United States law enforcement agencies a strategic directive to target the CCP's activity." But, given that American politicians frequently introduce legislation that has no chance of passing, merely to score political points, I suggest that we either confirm that this was passed, or delete it. DOR (HK) (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- Who gives a hell Scott Perry did this or that? Who is he and why it matters? He is nothing.202.9.46.90 (talk) 09:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Political position
Just wondering if the political position was removed, if there ever was one, or why there never was one to begin with. Personally support "Left-wing to far-left" with sources but that is irrelevant. B. M. L. Peters (talk) 23:44, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
As per the extensive discussion further up this page, the terms associated with Western political positioning have been deemed unsuitable for application to the CCP. DOR (HK) (talk) 20:21, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
"Democratic centralism" (sourced to the CCP's own publication)
The lead prominently describes the CCP as practicing "Democratic centralism". This is only sourced to the party's self-published journal, which is not a reliable source for this claim. The term "Democratic centralism" obfuscates that this is an authoritarian ruling party and misleads readers into thinking the party has "democratic" procedures. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Even if you think it is not practiced in the way it is purported, Democratic Centralism is a key part of the organization of Communist parties since Lenin. I undid your edit removing the section, and cleaned it a bit with a better citation. May do more later. BSMRD (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Clearly it should be in the lede, and clearly we can source this claim with the Constitution of the CPC and of the PRC, as well as this journal. If you have some source that claims democratic centralism is not upheld in the CPC/PRC, then we can either add this view later on in the article or mention in the lede - yet you removed the whole sentence that said the party officially upheld democratic centralism (this is not a claim about whether democratic centralism is upheld in practice, mind you). If you think it's "obfuscatory mumbo jumbo", you obviously don't know what it means, and by the comment that it "misleads readers into thinking the party has "democratic" procedures", you further show your ignorance on the matter. The word democracy is not synonymous with Western liberal parliamentary democracy and your claim that the CPC doesn't have democratic procedures is laughable, given the history of democratic centralism in communist parties and given the contemporary history of the CPC. Acalycine (talk) 06:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)