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*I use of the function of ''Photomontage'', do not need to create new graphics as new file, objects in photomontage are compatible with previous collages: skyline, South Brisbane Southbank, Brisbane City Botanic Gardens, Brisbane City Hall, Story Bridge. This photomontage is not too large... and if in the way of discussion there will be a consensus to change any graphic, we can change the graphic that the discussion is about (without having to change others). The only minus of this solution: in a row should be graphics of similar proportions. [[User:Subtropical-man|<span style="color: navy;">Subtropical</span><span style="color: red;">-man</span>]] <span style="color: navy;">([[User talk:Subtropical-man|talk]] / <small>en-2</small>)</span> 23:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC) |
*I use of the function of ''Photomontage'', do not need to create new graphics as new file, objects in photomontage are compatible with previous collages: skyline, South Brisbane Southbank, Brisbane City Botanic Gardens, Brisbane City Hall, Story Bridge. This photomontage is not too large... and if in the way of discussion there will be a consensus to change any graphic, we can change the graphic that the discussion is about (without having to change others). The only minus of this solution: in a row should be graphics of similar proportions. [[User:Subtropical-man|<span style="color: navy;">Subtropical</span><span style="color: red;">-man</span>]] <span style="color: navy;">([[User talk:Subtropical-man|talk]] / <small>en-2</small>)</span> 23:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC) |
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::MrGeneric299 you are using a sock puppet account which is not allowed under Wikipedia's terms and conditions, if you want your montage instated than you will need consensus on the talk page, which so far no one has appealed for yours, so please refrain from edit warring the article.--[[User:Caltraser55|Caltraser55]] ([[User talk:Caltraser55|talk]]) 04:30, 8 December 2018 (UTC) |
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:::if you believe it is a sockpuppet account, make the allegation at the sockpuppet investigation noticeboard. To make that allegation here is just a personal attack. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 07:35, 8 December 2018 (UTC) |
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Actually I'm pretty sure I coined the term Brisvegas in 1997
It's pretty simple actually. I was at a party/dinner/gathering of friends and friends of friends. We were talking about southeast Queensland now having two casinos, one in the Gold Coast - Jupiter's Casino and the new on in Brisbane - The Treasury. I was lamenting the fact that we should now probably rename the city Brisvegas. Everyone laughed but there were a couple there who had the opportunity to spread the term to a wider audience because they were breakfast radio hosts on a very popular radio station. After their success in Brisbane, they went to Perth to host there. I assume the term was spread across Australia within the space of a few years. Their initials are T and Z, but yeah I coined the term Brisvegas, cool huh? Cjreal (talk) 08:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- It's possible you came up with it independently, having never heard it before. Nobody can say that didn't happen. But you were not actually the first to use it, because:
- "... it made its first print appearance in The Courier-Mail in April 1996" - see [1]. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 02:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Brisbane as part of the Asia-Pacific
@Caltraser55: I have again reverted your edits in relation to Brisbane's role in the Asia Pacific. As I have previously discussed, this citation does describe the current state of affairs but what the Qld Govt would like them to be. Now does your asserting something without citation make it rue. Futhermore, the bulk of the article (of which the lede paragraphs are supposed to be summarising) says relatively little about Brisbane's role in the Asia Pacific. Can I suggest that instead of dumping largely uncited claims in the lede paragraphs, you focus on adding suitably-cited content on Brisbane's role in the Asia Pacific in other sections of the article. Those claims should be factual ones. For example, you say Brisbane Airport is the largest in Australia. Again this is a little bit misleading. The citation you provide says Brisbane Airport is the largest in land area, you should be clear about the metric that you are making a claim about, and I don't think land area size greatly contributes to your hypothesis that Brisbane Airport contributes to Brisbane being an Asia-Pacific hub. Gather some statistics about flights to/from Asia/Pacific (number of fligts, number of destinationsto the various Australian airports, number of passengers, etc) how does Brisbane stand in relation to other Australian airports in that regard? Then you might have a claim to make about the Airport. Similarly you assert that QIMR and TRI are of global importance. On what basis do you say that? Work on improving the factual content of the article, wrt Asia/Pacific and then it may be more obvious what claims might be made in the lede paras. Thanks Kerry (talk) 07:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Brisbane Montage for 2018
I've been gathering photos for a 2018 update of the montage for a while now. The old montage was great, but it needs an update. I've chucked up a version which I think we can all enjoy. Let me know if you guys think we can add any more landmarks. MrGeneric299 (talk) 01:35, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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File:Brisbane Montage 2018c.jpg | I personally think these are all great Brisbane landmarks |
"Cultural capital of Australia"
The lead currently states: "Brisbane has been called the 'cultural capital of Australia'", with two refs to back it up. The first ref is about an Italian ballet company's decision to perform in Brisbane rather than "the nation's culture capitals, Sydney and Melbourne". Here's the problem: throughout this Brisbane Times article, Sydney and Melbourne are the only cities actually referred to as cultural capitals. Brisbane is never explicitly called "the cultural capital of Australia", and the opinion of a red link ballet director, Frederic Olivieri, does not make it so. The second ref is a webarchive of a study reported on in red link Escape magazine. The study, commissioned by red link travel website weekenGO, says that Brisbane (pop. 2.4 million) has more cultural events than Melbourne and Sydney, as well as Paris (pop. 10 million). The article's author uses this as the basis for calling Brisbane a more "cultured" city. Yeah. Great study. Very reliable. The article, like the first ref, also never explicitly calls Brisbane "the cultural capital of Australia". I removed the refs and "cultural capital" part, but was reverted by Caltraser55, who only edits Brisbane articles and the talk pages of editors with whom they have disputes.
Often if Brisbane is referred to as a "cultural capital" in the media, it has a question mark attached, or comes with a claim that Melbourne should "watch out" because Brisbane is catching up. I have nothing against Brisbane, but Melbourne's status as the "cultural capital" is simply too engrained at this point, and pretty much self-evident. I am going to remove it again and open this up to a discussion per WP:BRD. - HappyWaldo (talk) 01:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree with you here. Melbourne is definitely considered the cultural capital in Australia. I'm also having trouble with Caltraser55. MrGeneric299 (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hi HappyWaldo, let me just first say that "Cultural capital" is an abstract term largely and is defined usually by opinions but can sometimes be backed up through facts; which is what the second article does, per capita Brisbanites are more involved in cultural activities than either Sydney or Melbourne. However, the title of "Cultural Capital" is not the monopoly of Melbourne, Melbourne claims to be lots of things including the Sports capital amongst others. Take note it is also not a claim made by Brisbane but has been "called", there's a difference there. And MrGeneric you have already been referred to the Edit war noticeboard, so I suggest you keep your discussion there.--Caltraser55 (talk) 02:15, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- Again, the term "Cultural capital" does not appear in the obscure travel website's "study". Melbourne's claim to being the sporting capital might have something to do with its role in the development of Test cricket and the Ashes, hosting the first Summer Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere, creating the only uniquely Australian sport of any real significance, having the largest stadium and by far the highest spectator numbers, being the home of the National Sports Museum, hosting the Australian Open, Formula 1 and "the race that stops a nation" etc. - HappyWaldo (talk) 04:12, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
An ironic referral at best. MrGeneric299 (talk) 02:33, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- "Brisbane's culture" means opera and ballet to one person, tattoo parlours and indie gig venues to another, and hot BBQs and cold beers to a third person. Wikipedia isn't about WP:PUFFERY. Tell the reader factually (in the appropriate section) what "cultural" things exist in Brisbane and some pertinent sizes, attendance figures or other factual claims, appropriately cited. We are not here to tell the reader what to think. We inform the reader with facts and let them draw their own conclusions (WP:NPOV). To one reader, based on whatever they are familiar with or interested in, Brisbane will be a cultural delight, to another it will be a wasteland. Their tastes, their past experience, etc will be the basis of their opinion.Kerry (talk) 04:35, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- I agree Kerry, because of this I have gone and removed the reference of "cultural capital" on the Melbourne talk page, I am glad we came to an agreement.--Caltraser55 (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- You seem to have removed it from the Melbourne *article*, justifying the decision by the conversation on this Talk page. That was inappropriate and appears to be an example of disrupting just to make a point. You were free to be bold at Melbourne (and I don't personally disagree with the edit, it was puffery) but do not use my comments or anyone else's on this Talk page out of context as you did. Kerry (talk) 04:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
- I agree Kerry, because of this I have gone and removed the reference of "cultural capital" on the Melbourne talk page, I am glad we came to an agreement.--Caltraser55 (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- "Brisbane's culture" means opera and ballet to one person, tattoo parlours and indie gig venues to another, and hot BBQs and cold beers to a third person. Wikipedia isn't about WP:PUFFERY. Tell the reader factually (in the appropriate section) what "cultural" things exist in Brisbane and some pertinent sizes, attendance figures or other factual claims, appropriately cited. We are not here to tell the reader what to think. We inform the reader with facts and let them draw their own conclusions (WP:NPOV). To one reader, based on whatever they are familiar with or interested in, Brisbane will be a cultural delight, to another it will be a wasteland. Their tastes, their past experience, etc will be the basis of their opinion.Kerry (talk) 04:35, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Vote for Brisbane Montage
File:Brisbane Montage 2018c.jpg
Top or bottom?--Caltraser55 (talk) 14:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- With Mrgenerics montage being deleted for copyright infringements shouldn't my montage be reinstated?--Caltraser55 (talk) 05:37, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not sure why the old 2013 montage has been brought back. I'm in favour of changing it to yours. Although, I'd maybe replace the gasworks with something more interesting. - Inkfoot (talk) 02:40, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- I've restored the montage, but I think I can agree with the gasworks, I'll look into remaking it perhaps with the Queenslander house image?--Caltraser55 (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Inkfoot - no, collage is from 2016, but skyline (first picture) is from 2013. Similarly, the version by Caltraser55 - first picture is from 2014. So.
- Picture of 1 William Street, Brisbane - why one skyscraper? many montages in Wikipedia has full skyline, previous montage have it on top, new montage also should have skyline like File:Brisbane skyline at dusk.jpg. First image from your montage is poor. Currently, I oppose to change collage in article to File:Brisbane montage 2018b.jpg by Caltraser55. Better is File:Brisbane Montage.jpg, however, the resolution is too small. PS. Colages not must have many pictures in many rows, 3 rows are enough like File:Barcelona collage.JPG or in article of Madrid, for example: skyline + 2 picures below + 2 pictures below. Subtropical-man (talk / en-2) 22:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- I've restored the montage, but I think I can agree with the gasworks, I'll look into remaking it perhaps with the Queenslander house image?--Caltraser55 (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not sure why the old 2013 montage has been brought back. I'm in favour of changing it to yours. Although, I'd maybe replace the gasworks with something more interesting. - Inkfoot (talk) 02:40, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- I use of the function of Photomontage, do not need to create new graphics as new file, objects in photomontage are compatible with previous collages: skyline, South Brisbane Southbank, Brisbane City Botanic Gardens, Brisbane City Hall, Story Bridge. This photomontage is not too large... and if in the way of discussion there will be a consensus to change any graphic, we can change the graphic that the discussion is about (without having to change others). The only minus of this solution: in a row should be graphics of similar proportions. Subtropical-man (talk / en-2) 23:58, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- MrGeneric299 you are using a sock puppet account which is not allowed under Wikipedia's terms and conditions, if you want your montage instated than you will need consensus on the talk page, which so far no one has appealed for yours, so please refrain from edit warring the article.--Caltraser55 (talk) 04:30, 8 December 2018 (UTC)