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Atleast adding the word 'Group' after the word Kachari is possible, right ? [[User:Tizen03|Tizen03]] ([[User talk:Tizen03|talk]]) 16:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC) |
Atleast adding the word 'Group' after the word Kachari is possible, right ? [[User:Tizen03|Tizen03]] ([[User talk:Tizen03|talk]]) 16:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Tizen03}} we are using "people'''s'''" here instead of "people" — much in the same way it is used in other articles (e.g. [[Indo-Aryan peoples]], [[Dravidian peoples]] etc.). [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 19:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
: {{re|Tizen03}} we are using "people'''s'''" here instead of "people" — much in the same way it is used in other articles (e.g. [[Indo-Aryan peoples]], [[Dravidian peoples]] etc.). [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 19:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 11 August 2020 == |
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[[:Bodo-Kachari group]] → {{no redirect|Bodo-Kachari peoples}} – Undiscussed, non-consensus move [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 17:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:<small>This is a contested technical request ([[Special:Permalink/972402366|permalink]]). [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 21:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)</small> |
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ap k hopsital ma koi faiza naam ki lakri hai — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.178.212.40 (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hodgson wasn't first person to publish Bodo
There is a problem in statement related first publication of Bodo word. Martin Montgomery(1838) in The history, antiquities, topography, and statistics of eastern India writes that Proper name of Kacharis is Boro.(page 549) 2409:4065:8D:ED9F:106:B716:BEBA:D92A (talk) 05:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Content removed by Chaipau
I tried to clarify the doubts but Chaipau want to keep the article confusing and he repeatedly add confusing word. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bodo-Kachari_peoples&diff=954659882&oldid=954656669 Logical Man 2000 (talk) 17:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Logical Man 2000: you are trying to define Bodo as only Boro. This is not correct. There is enough evidence to show that Hogdson called the "Mech and Kachari" as Bodo. This is clearly mentioned by Grierson and accepted by other authors. But all those who are called Kachari do not accept this appellation. The example is Dimasa, as Bathari has reported. The Boro are a dominant ethnic group and the smaller ethnic communities resent this. So Wikipedia cannot support your Boro-centric non-WP:NPOV definitions and edits. Chaipau (talk) 17:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Dimasa were never Boro. Hodgson use Bodo for Boro people , this is the reason Dimasa don't like Bodo umbrella term. Bodo is just linguistic umbrella term. You're making things complicated. Etymology deals with history of the word. So, You've to write how this term originate and become umbrella term. It's simple Logical Man 2000 (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Chutiya, Dimasa aren't Bodo
Bodo-Kachari people means Bodo people and Bodo-Kachari people is forceful imposition of name on Dimasa, Sonowal, Thengal, Chutiya etc 2409:4065:E8B:F90B:8DCA:E2FC:BA64:47C (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Change the title
Change the title to Bodo-Kachari language group 2409:4065:E8B:F90B:8DCA:E2FC:BA64:47C (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Change the title of the page from 'Bodo-Kachari' to 'Kachari People'.
The word Bodo-Kachari is currently used only to address the Bodo/Boro tribe. This group of tribes is known as 'Kachari' both by the Assam Govt & the Indian Govt, similar to the word 'Tani' of Arunachal & Assam (wiki- Tani people).
The word 'Bodo' was used during the colonial era (British Raj) to address all the Kachari tribes of the region, but back then Boro/Bodo people were known as Mech-Kachari, refer to any old census of Assam for further proof. Now Mech-Kacharis are known as Bodo-Kacharis. And other Kachari groups are not considered as Bodo-Kacharis. So to avoid confusion between Bodo/Boro Kachari(a specific tribe) & Kachari(group of tribes), rename this wiki page to 'Kachari' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tizen03 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: I partially agree with you, but this group of peoples is defined as those speaking the Boro-Garo languages. That is why the hyphenated name. In the literature you do find the use of "Bodo" to denote this super-group too. Look at Chatterjee's Kirata-jana-kriti. That is why we have a hyphenated name here. Chaipau (talk) 10:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Furthermore, The Twipra people are not historically called Kachari. But I am open to suggestions Chaipau (talk) 11:31, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Also, the Boro people are called either "Boro" or "Borokachari" in Census. Chaipau (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Bodo-Kachari or Bodo supergroup isn't name of people. It is an umbrella name for different ethnic group. Remove the suffix "peoples" 2409:4065:E0A:E018:5006:5ED5:9521:41C7 (talk) 12:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- I do agree that the term was used to address all the Kachari tribes, but it was during the colonial era when the Boro/Bodo tribe was known as Mech-Kachari. Currently Bodo-Kachari only means the Bodo/Boro tribe. No other Kachari tribe would identity as a Bodo-Kachari except for the Bodos/Boros. If both Assam & Indian Govt use the term Kachari, there's no problem in renaming the page into that. Moreover the word "Bodo" as an alternative name also exist in the article. So renaming the title of this page won't harm anything. There's another identical page here in Wikipedia by the name "Boro people", which a few months earlier too was "Bodo Tribe". Tizen03 (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: Though I agree, renaming the article "Kachari peoples" would mean a different scope—because we cannot possibly include Garo people and Twipra people in Kachari, because they were never known as Kachari. "Kachari peoples" then would mean only those peoples in Assam, since it is only in Assam we have "Kachari" peoples. I do not think there exists any other Kachari people in anywhere else. Chaipau (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Furthermore, we should consider only "Kachari peoples" not 'Kachari people", because there are different communities here. We should not use "tribe" because irrespective of its use in the Indian constitution, anthropologically it is a loaded and controversial term. Chaipau (talk) 14:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- I do agree that the term was used to address all the Kachari tribes, but it was during the colonial era when the Boro/Bodo tribe was known as Mech-Kachari. Currently Bodo-Kachari only means the Bodo/Boro tribe. No other Kachari tribe would identity as a Bodo-Kachari except for the Bodos/Boros. If both Assam & Indian Govt use the term Kachari, there's no problem in renaming the page into that. Moreover the word "Bodo" as an alternative name also exist in the article. So renaming the title of this page won't harm anything. There's another identical page here in Wikipedia by the name "Boro people", which a few months earlier too was "Bodo Tribe". Tizen03 (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@Tizen03: Kachari was specifically used for Boro only. Hill Kachari was used for Dimasa. Just like other groups are included in Bodo or Boro group. Similarly, Endle included other groups within Kachari. Many groups are actually not Kachari like Garo , Rabha , Koch , Chutia , Moran , Borahi etc. 2409:4065:E0A:E018:D065:15A:7B45:6EBA (talk) 13:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Atleast adding the word 'Group' after the word Kachari is possible, right ? Tizen03 (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Tizen03: we are using "peoples" here instead of "people" — much in the same way it is used in other articles (e.g. Indo-Aryan peoples, Dravidian peoples etc.). Chaipau (talk) 19:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 11 August 2020
Bodo-Kachari group → Bodo-Kachari peoples – Undiscussed, non-consensus move Chaipau (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)