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:Nope, you're a good editor, not a cheap one. But still, you don't think it's a bit much, this victory stance? Is she going to prison? It just seems needlessly aggressive.--[[User:Aichik|Aichik]] ([[User talk:Aichik|talk]]) 15:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Billboard Millenium Award
As I already stated in my edit summary, I find the mention of the Billboard Millenium award, an award that started only two years ago unnecessary in the intro of an article in GA reassessment status. Compared to the Grammys, the MTV Music Video Award (for music videos), and compared even to other Billboard Awards of which there are numerous, it is minor. If a governing body or a magazine comes out with 46 awards a year, it relegates all of their important-sounding awards to minor status, unfortunately, especially one that is only two years old. Lastly, the "Billboard Millenium award" is not even included in the main chronology of Beyoncé career.--Aichik (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Disagree So the award is not important because it is new? Where is the logic? If I follow you, then the Grammy, MTV Awards etc were all irrelevant when they were two years old only.
And [1] applies million times more suitably for you as you were the one who removed the information, not me. So that people don't say I am canvassing, I inform you all in advance that I am leaving a message on the wikiproject talk-page. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- Disagree – The Billboard Millenium Award was included in the lead section because it's a major award in Beyoncé's music career. Billboard honored Beyoncé with the award for her "career achievements and influence in the music industry". 0z (talk) 09:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Your source is Billboard. Of course they're going to say it's a really, really important award. Give us another source please.--Aichik (talk) 20:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- Disagree - A significant award; Beyoncé described it as "one of the best memories of [her] life", I think it has a place here. —Jennie | ☎ 11:10, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
She said that while she was accepting? Or elsewhere? Please don't use Billboard as a source, it's circular logic.--Aichik (talk) 20:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- Who are you to say please don't use Billboard? Billboard is not good now? And please don't ignore what others said. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:47, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
beyonce' baby is real so ya'll cant say anythih bow swag — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.0.185 (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Requested move March 2013
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/c 17:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Beyoncé Knowles → Beyoncé – There's really only one Beyoncé. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 12:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Failed a month ago, nothing's changed. LCS check (talk) 15:38, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy procedural close this was just discussed, if you don't like it, take it to WP:MRV ;
- Oppose nominator didn't provide a rationale. Further, per February move request, she's frequently known with her surname attached, particularly during her Destiny's Child days. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy procedural close just discussed, no new information and
- Oppose nominator didn't provide a rationale In ictu oculi (talk) 02:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Isn't it time to get Beyoncé this issue? Kauffner (talk) 14:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
2013 - Beyoncé in H&M Summer Collection 2013
Beyoncé new face of H&M
"As well as posing up for the campaign, which has also seen the singer create a track called "Standing On The Sun" for the accompanying video directed by Jonas Akerlund, Beyoncé also had a hand in helping design the new collection".
"It was a beautiful shoot on a tropical island. It felt more like making a video than a commercial," she said, adding: "I really loved the concept we collaborated on to explore the different emotions of women represented by the four elements - fire, water, earth and wind."
http://www.beyonce.com/news/beyonce-in-h-m-summer-collection-2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.95.66 (talk) 15:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Beyoncé Knowles
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Beyoncé Knowles's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "nyt":
- From Atlanta: John Caramanica, "Gucci Mane, No Holds Barred ", ‘‘New York Times’’, December 11, 2009
- From Upgrade U: Jon Pareles (September 4, 2006). "All That Success Is Hard on a Girl (or Sounds That Way)". The New York Times. Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. Retrieved January 8, 2011.
- From Frida Giannini: Menkes, Suzy (January 18, 2010). "The Calm After the Storm". The New York Times. Retrieved October 24, 2011.
- From Barack Obama: Template:Cite quick
- From Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting: Goldstein, Joseph; Rashbaum, William (December 14, 2012). "27 Killed in Connecticut Shooting, Including 20 Children". The New York Times. Retrieved December 14, 2012.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
The Mrs Carter Show World Tour
"Bow Down, Bitch" could be misunderstood. [2] She is 're-branding' herself as a wife and a mother. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
GA reassessment update
Hello,
We are currently reviewing where we are with the GA reassessment, and your comments/decision to as whether we should close the article or continue the reassessment are welcome here. Thanks. —Jennie | ☎ 20:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Blue Ivy edit
There are two lines just about the baby's cries on "Glory" and her being credited on the song. Fine but then after that the Billboard record for her appearance even though she isn't yet a conscious individual making her decision to appear on a song? 2) It's a Billboard record, not a Guinness Book record. The music industry has a way of promoting itself to sell records. It's not as legitimate as a record as one established outside of the industry. Again, remember, BI was 2 days old (pre-conscious) and not even singing! If we put her cries in there, we'll have to find whoever the youngest person was on whatever record who said something on any album. 3) "Glory" itself only reached #74 on the charts, low for a singer-songwriter as important as Jay-Z. The fact of BI's "input" would be more noteworthy if it even touched the top 20, but it did not. Finally has been an attempt to include the baby's weight in the article as well. None of these seem as newsworthy as the fact that the couple tried to trademark Blue Ivy's name.
Because we have an issue with length and style related to length we cannot put all of this here. Someone is free to start the inevitable Blue Ivy entry but in the meantime I'm noting this here: When I decide to put in the fact of the trademark attempt, I'll have to cut one of these so you will all know what that's about without crying foul.--Aichik (talk) 17:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- I disagree with the claim that the attempt to trademark BIC's name is more newsworthy. Using Google search "blue ivy trademark" produced 3,560,000 results, a search for "blue ivy glory" produced 7,410,000 results (more than double) and a search for "blue ivy billboard" produced 4,930,000 results. There will be a little bloat towards BIC in the article (because it is merged here), but nothing needs removing to satisfy GA criteria. If necessary, we could establish a "Knowles-Carter family" article, where the BIC paragraphs could be moved to, as well as the personal relationship between her and Jay-Z (I think similar articles exist for high-profile relationships/families). —Jennie | ☎ 17:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- I think Guiness recognises it here. —Jennie | ☎ 17:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
You are using Google to support your own opinion. "Jesus Christ water into wine" gets 2,030,000 results, "Jesus Christ immaculate conception" gets the same, but "Jesus Christ died on a cross" gets 38,100,000. If you were Christian, which Beyoncé is, I think, the second and the third points are of equal importance. Google searches only gauge worldwide Internet user interest, which although impressive, is completely arbitrary. Anyway, so BIC baby cries as Guiness World Record is as important as the news that the couple tried to trademark it. We can fit that in.--Aichik (talk) 19:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- You stated that the attempt to trademark BIC's name was more newsworthy than her appearance on "Glory" and the subsequent record that became of it. How religions see significance has nothing to do with what is seen as popular in news. —Jennie | ☎ 19:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Although I should note I have no objection to its inclusion, just the removal of content in favour of it. —Jennie | ☎ 19:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Main image
I've posted this before, but we are now in 2013 yet the same image from early 2011 of her with her hair partly covering her face is still being used. --Lolcakes25 (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Any reason why any new pictures that get added are always deleted? I think it's about time it changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolcakes25 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- It does need to be updated, but new pictures are never added to replace it. I'm sure some will come along with the new tour, however. —Jennie | ☎ 22:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Beyoncé being heavily criticised for her endorsement of Pepsi
1) The Center for Science in the Public Interest launched a campaign a month prior to the inauguration to try to get Beyoncé to change her mind. 2) Laurie David started the petition on We the People to get her disinvited to the inauguration and remained equally condemnatory after the petition was taken down by the White House. These, I believe, constitute heavy, involved criticism.
Nowhere do I say claim that it was the wider media that heavily criticized her: Get to the rest of the sentence. "She has been heavily criticized for this endorsement by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, New York Times's food writer Mark Bittmann and environmentalist Laurie David."--Aichik (talk) 19:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Beyoncé has had controversies and criticisms throughout her entire career. She has also been a partner with Pepsi for over 10 years. Why should we start adding every little criticism she receives now. Also, none of these criticisms achieved anything, especially Laurie David's, who was completely ignored --Lolcakes25 (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- This is really ridiculous but hilarious at the same time. Sales and awards are being removed and controversies + unsuccessful petitions are being added. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Isn't the word "heavy" and/or "heavily" an opinion? As far as I know it is, it's like saying "that film received extremely positive reviews" (I've seen this language occasionally). If there is a reference that especifically says that, then it should be quoted, if not removed. As now I, as a normal reader, read "Knowles was heavily criticized by the CSPI and [two people]", and? and then what?. The way the paragraph is written clearly denotes the person(s) who add it doesn't know how to write articles, as simple as references go after the punctuation symbols and never before them. This is a clear violation of the NPOV policy, and the article works well by saying "Knowles was criticized by the CSPI (if there are other orgs they are added), as well as The Journalist and The Environmentalist, because... (some reason the reader cannot read because it is not in the article as you are a) obligating him/her to go to the references and read why she was criticized. The article, now, never says why; and b) you are more worried about using the correct adjective to qualify negatively a living person, and much more worried to restore it of someone removes it.) Also, why they decided to criticize her after the Super Bowl when she's done it for 10 years. This never is said and it should say so: "because she is part of the Move Your Body movement, which dedicates to...).
- This is simple, the problem is not the article, or the fans, or the people who watch it, or Obama, or Canada, or etc., the problem is you cannot work with others and cannot collaborate as it should be desired, and considering you have edited less that 5,000 times in five years, this is the sixth article you've edited the most (122 edits in four months), apparently you don't have written any kind of featured or recognized content here, that apparently you do not understand the NPOV policy ("Nowhere do I say claim that it was the wider media that heavily criticized her", two persons and an organization are "heavily criticizers"?) how you can people to trust you or your editing or your changes? Also, I want you to analyze every "-ly" I wrote and understand how "-ly" adjectives and adverbs work and why they shouldn't be written on main space. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 06:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
2013
Chime For Change Concert
Proud to make some noise for girls and women with Chime for Change at The Sound of Change Live concert, June 1st in London.
http://www.beyonce.com/news/chime-for-change-concert
On June 1st, CHIME FOR CHANGE presents a global concert event to put girls' and women's issues on the world’s stage. Millions of people will join in THE SOUND OF CHANGE LIVE, to promote Education, Health and Justice for girls and women everywhere.
THE SOUND OF CHANGE LIVE is proudly underwritten by Gucci to ensure that all ticket sales go directly to projects that improve the lives of girls and women around the world.
THE SOUND OF CHANGE LIVE will be broadcast globally, so you can be part of this historic concert event wherever you are. Broadcast details will be included here closer to June 1st.
http://www.chimeforchange.org/concert — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.180.166 (talk) 22:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not done I think we are assuming this to be part of The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour so we won't give it a secondary mention; although the "Chime for Change" campaign is listed. —Jennie | ☎ 14:08, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes but it's a philanthropy event I think should be added! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.174.116 (talk) 01:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Semantics in lead
This may be very picky, but the lead states that Beyonce 'earned' several awards including a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. But after following the recent adition of Richard Burton's star, it appears that financial stipulations are one of the major factors of obtaining a star on the HWoF. Yes there are minimum requirements that must be reached before you can put an act forward for a star, but is it 'earned'? FruitMonkey (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- Looking at the sentence:
Knowles' work has earned her numerous awards and accolades, including 17 Grammy Awards, 12 MTV Video Music Awards, and a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (as part of Destiny's Child).
- I sort of agree with what you're saying; "fame" isn't really something that is considered as an achievement or earned (as this sentence implies), but I suppose it has been adopted as one of the most prominent accolades she has received, and probably wouldn't fit in any where else. —Jennie | ☎ 14:14, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
- I am pretty sure that they are just suggesting changing "earned" to "received" or something similar. Would get rid of the superfluous her as well.
Knowles' work has received numerous awards and accolades, including 17 Grammy Awards, 12 MTV Video Music Awards, and a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (as part of Destiny's Child).
Mrs. Carter
Beyonce Knowles' fifth album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAG123 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not done Unsourced. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 00:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- It has been sourced now, but I wonder whether we should remove it. The only person asserting this is an editor from the Rolling Stone (she provides no source) and a lot of other sites are treating this as more of a rumour than fact; should we wait for official confirmation? —Jennie | ☎ 14:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
2013 "The Great Gatsby" film soundtrack
Beyoncé is going to do a Great job covering an Amy Winehouse hit.
E! News can exclusively reveal that the "Single Ladies" hitmaker has teamed up with Andre 3000 for a duet of the late singer's "Back to Black" for the soundtrack of the upcoming remake of The Great Gatsby.
Jay-Z is producing the soundtrack, which will be released by Interscope Records. "It's a very different take on 'Back to Black,'" a record company source said.
This is Beyoncé and Andre 3000 second time working together. They first collaborated on Bey's 2011 single, "Party."
The new flick, directed by Baz Luhrman, stars Leonardo DiCaprio, Carey Mulligan and Tobey Maguire. Originally set to be in theaters last Christmas, the release was pushed to this May.
Gatsby will have its world premiere as the opening night film of the Cannes Film Festival on May 15.
http://uk.eonline.com/news/403523/beyonc-covering-amy-winehouse-for-the-great-gatsby http://thehonestyhour.com/2013/04/beyonce-covers-amy-winehouse-for-the-great-gatsby/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.174.116 (talk) 23:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Grown Woman
Grown Woman is NOT the first single. It says so in the source. Why does it say it is in here?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.146.57.68 (talk) 15:31, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- My bad! Thought it said the opposite. I've changed it, thank you! —Jennie | ☎ 15:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Another source for "Highest Paid Performer Per Minute in the World"?
Saucytime.com isn't a reliable source. Please replace it with something else.--Aichik (talk) 16:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Maybe you can find one yourself. Instead of adding incessant controversies, you can find a source (a reliable one) to support this fact (achievement). I am sure it will be easier than digging the net for controversies surrounding Beyonce's activities. Just give it a try. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 18:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Are you admitting there is nothing out there, and we can take this out?--Aichik (talk) 13:46, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Not at all. I am just asking you to find one yourself since you are the one who pointed the current one's unreliability. Just like you dig in the net for controversial issues related to Beyonce, I think it will be kind of a "change" for you to
digsearch the net for a reliable source to reference at least one achievement by Beyonce. This is with the most genuine intentions. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC) - Oh, I must have forgot to tell you, I found the source consolidated by The Independent, so I assumed it must be reliable (I've included that also). —Jennie | ☎ 07:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Not at all. I am just asking you to find one yourself since you are the one who pointed the current one's unreliability. Just like you dig in the net for controversial issues related to Beyonce, I think it will be kind of a "change" for you to
- Are you admitting there is nothing out there, and we can take this out?--Aichik (talk) 13:46, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
2013 and/or Public Image
Beyoncé Named 2013 Honorary Met Ball Chair
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/beyonce-met-gala-2013-honorary-chair_n_3022885.html
Beyoncé has been named honorary chairperson for the Met Ball.
The superstar will join legendary Vogue editor Anna Wintour, designer Riccardo Tisci and actress Rooney Mara in their hosting roles at the annual Metropolitan Museum of Art's Costume Institute gala, which this year pays tribute to the Punk movement.
Several invitations emblazoned with Beyoncé's name have already been sent out, according to WWD. The star-studded bash is due to take place on May 6 and the accompanying Punk: Chaos to Couture exhibition will run from May 9 until August 11.
http://news.ph.msn.com/lifestyle/beyonc%C3%A9-named-honorary-met-ball-chair-1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.174.116 (talk) 10:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello?? Why anyone update this??.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.174.116 (talk) 13:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Assume the album is called Mrs. Carter or wait for confirmation?
There seems to be conflicting ideas about whether this should be included. At the moment, any reference to the it being entitled Mrs. Carter has been removed from the biography (2013: Fifth studio album section), but remains in the Discography section. To ensure consistency, can we come to a consensus on whether to include its mention, or to remove it until official confirmation. Thanks. —Jennie | ☎ 23:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- Tours are commonly, but not always, named after the album, but in this case it's just speculation. If there is a reliable reference that say it is its name, it can be added. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
2013 - Miss A Meal / + / Beyonce is Lending Her Voice for GOOD / + / CHARITYBUZZ
More than 50 million Americans go hungry every day. With economic downtimes increasing and the unemployment becoming the norm for so many people, iconic entertainer and performer Beyoncé along with her mom, award-winning fashion designer Tina Knowles and entertainers Solange, Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams have all joined forces with Bread of Life, Inc. the Houston-based non-profit organization founded by Rudy and Juanita Rasmus, to fight for the needs of the less fortunate with a fundraising campaign they call Miss A Meal.
Miss A Meal meets the Needs of the Hungry!
Every day people like you and I simply decide to Miss A Meal and then donate the money that we would have spent on that meal to feed someone less fortunate. With a nominal cost of $1.00 per person to provide one well balanced meal, Miss A Meal supporters are able to donate multiple meals through a single donation.
Beyoncé, Ms. Tina, Solange, Kelly and Michelle have decided to take charge of passing the plate with the simple premise that one person has the power to help many.
Miss A Meal today; It Only Takes One Plate!
http://www.beyonce.com/news/miss-a-meal
http://www.missameal.net/#!/about-us/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.174.116 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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Beyoncé is Lending Her Voice for GOODWILL
Beyonce partners with Goodwill to Transform Lives
ROCKVILLE, Md., April 15, 2013 - Goodwill Industries International is pleased to announce that Beyonce Knowles-Carter will lend her voice to help raise awareness about Goodwill's mission of transforming lives through the power of work. The announcement comes just as Beyonce gets ready to kick off The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour today in Serbia.
"Goodwill helps people get back to work by providing education, job training and placement. I wanted to team up with an organization that puts people first and works every day to help them improve and re-establish their lives," said Beyonce.
- http://www.beyonce.com/news/goodwill
- http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/15/goodwill-beyonce-idUSnPnDC94242+160+PRN20130415
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CHARITYBUZZ - Beyoncé's The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour for Job Creation Auction
Beyoncé has launched an online auction to support programs that help put people back to work. The global entertainer is offering fans the opportunity to experience The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour with VIP credentials and unprecedented access. Proceeds will benefit a variety of charitable organizations throughout Europe that focus on creating job placement opportunities.
http://www.beyonce.com/news/charity-buzz http://www.charitybuzz.com/auctions/beyonce/catalog_items
- I'm considering reinstating the "Philanthropy" section; she seems to be active in a lot of charity work this year, and it will make sense to put it together. (Just to let you know I'll add this in ASAP). —Jennie | ☎ 16:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Done Thank your for this!! (You can find it in the "Philanthropy" section). —Jennie | ☎ 20:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Why? This was identified as one of the problems with the article. And the addition of the political views section is also unnecessary. She is not a politician. It was already pushing it having an other ventures section, and bloat has been a serious problem for this article in the past. I do not think this has improved the article at all. AIRcorn (talk) 20:46, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- The Philanthropy section was never a problem, people just merged it to make it appear that the article was shorter when it in no way decreases the length (as you're just moving information around and not removing anything). I don't think it contributes to bloat at all; articles can reach a decent length as long as summary style is applied, and there is no length an article needs to reach (be under or above) to satisfy the GA criteria. I do understand what you're saying about Politics, however, it's just that information like this (personal views and life) is hard to integrate into the article in an accessible way, because there isn't a section like that. The comment on same sex marriage support was in the "Products" section, which may seem odd, but the person was right to not put it in "Life and career", because it's not really relevant to her career. —Jennie | ☎ 21:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see the philanthropy section as being analogous to a controversies section. It is not really a length concern, but more a neutrality one. However, it can become a concern for focus as these sections encourage a proliferation of trivial edits (much like what happened with the legacy section). I can see it being filled with paragraphs about how "Beyonce donated money to a beggar" or "Beyonce participated in a charity single" and other similar edits which were a major problem before. I think both those section (plus the product endorsement one) could fit quite comfortably in "Life and Career" (hence why I did the merging in the first place). Life is a pretty all inclusive heading. Either way I don't think they fit in "other ventures" (I never liked that section title). Politics in particular looks out of place as it is not really a venture. I would suggest giving them their own level two heading if they are going to be kept or even better a catchall heading for both of them. Something like the Political and moral stances heading in Bernard Fanning. I mentioned it in the GA review, but I think it needs to decide whether the biography section is just her career or whether it is everything. At the moment it is a bit of both. AIRcorn (talk) 08:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Concerning your first point, I completely disagree. I think controversy sections present themselves as non-neutral because they aren't biographical and usually consist of trivial discrepancies between other celebrities. And although I think Philanthropy sections can become trivial (and small donations/projects should be removed), if a celebrity is involved in a notable and reliably sourced project then it should be included. The problem of merging this into the "Life and career" section is the fact that Knowles isn't a philanthropist, in the same way she principally isn't a businesswoman (Products and endorsements), political figure (Politics) or fashion designer (House of Dereon). The "Life and career" section should include what she is most notable for: her singing, acting and dancing. Adding the "other stuff" into this makes "Life and career" too long and inaccessible, with the potential for that information to be lost when people summarise it. I wonder whether the article is missing a "Personal life" section, in which the Politics stuff could be merged into, along with some other bits. (I think Political and moral stances is a bit misleading, as she doesn't have many, she's more involved in supporting Obama). —Jennie | ☎ 16:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Just adding that your point about the Biography section is the exact feeling I've had when editing this article over the past few months, it needs addressing somehow. —Jennie | ☎ 17:09, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Notably controversies are biographical, just like notable charity work is. The problems are that having a dedicated section is a magnet for adding indiscriminate information to the section and that by combining all the criticism (or in this case praise - which is what a philanthropy section really is) in one section it gives the appearance of being greater than it really is. I think you have just put you finger on why this is an issue; you say that she isn't a philanthropist, yet we devote a section and header to her philanthropy. While the same might be true for the other headings under "other ventures" the philanthropy one stands out because by its nature it is not neutral (i.e. it only contains praise). Maybe the best solution is to create the "Personal Life" section, change "Life and Career" to "Career" and move this, political views, plus the birth of her baby and relationship to Jay-Z and anything else that is relevant to this new section. AIRcorn (talk) 18:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see the philanthropy section as being analogous to a controversies section. It is not really a length concern, but more a neutrality one. However, it can become a concern for focus as these sections encourage a proliferation of trivial edits (much like what happened with the legacy section). I can see it being filled with paragraphs about how "Beyonce donated money to a beggar" or "Beyonce participated in a charity single" and other similar edits which were a major problem before. I think both those section (plus the product endorsement one) could fit quite comfortably in "Life and Career" (hence why I did the merging in the first place). Life is a pretty all inclusive heading. Either way I don't think they fit in "other ventures" (I never liked that section title). Politics in particular looks out of place as it is not really a venture. I would suggest giving them their own level two heading if they are going to be kept or even better a catchall heading for both of them. Something like the Political and moral stances heading in Bernard Fanning. I mentioned it in the GA review, but I think it needs to decide whether the biography section is just her career or whether it is everything. At the moment it is a bit of both. AIRcorn (talk) 08:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- The Philanthropy section was never a problem, people just merged it to make it appear that the article was shorter when it in no way decreases the length (as you're just moving information around and not removing anything). I don't think it contributes to bloat at all; articles can reach a decent length as long as summary style is applied, and there is no length an article needs to reach (be under or above) to satisfy the GA criteria. I do understand what you're saying about Politics, however, it's just that information like this (personal views and life) is hard to integrate into the article in an accessible way, because there isn't a section like that. The comment on same sex marriage support was in the "Products" section, which may seem odd, but the person was right to not put it in "Life and career", because it's not really relevant to her career. —Jennie | ☎ 21:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
- Why? This was identified as one of the problems with the article. And the addition of the political views section is also unnecessary. She is not a politician. It was already pushing it having an other ventures section, and bloat has been a serious problem for this article in the past. I do not think this has improved the article at all. AIRcorn (talk) 20:46, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
In the personal life section, you can enrich enough with everything that has been said in the documentary Life is But A Dream. It would be a great source of information, since the change of manager, the relationship, the daughter, etc. And congratulations, the article in general of Beyoncé is frankly better organized and presented! Just got too bad the philanthropy section has lost some information. In the past was much more complete than it is now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.174.116 (talk) 20:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
New main photo
What's with this? Is she a football player scoring a goal? Don't see why we changed it from the closeup.--Aichik (talk) 13:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Can you please stop with your stupid immature comments and act properly for once in your life? The picture is not perfect, but if you have issues with it start a nice decent discussion. — Tomíca(T2ME) 14:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's part of the Survivor choreography; I just thought the image needed updating, and that's the most recent, high-quality one available. The tour starts today, so hopefully some European fans will upload new pictures in the upcoming months that we can use. —Jennie | ☎ 16:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Jennie, that's what I wanted to know:)--Aichik (talk) 18:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Nope, you're a good editor, not a cheap one. But still, you don't think it's a bit much, this victory stance? Is she going to prison? It just seems needlessly aggressive.--Aichik (talk) 15:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
2013
"The tour sold out 1 million tickets within a month"
???
At the source of the Billboard (157) says nothing of this...
"Beyonce last toured in 2009-2010 with her I Am...” world tour, which grossed $85.6 million and drew nearly 1 million people to 73 shows reported to Billboard Boxscore".
This isn´t about Mrs Carter Show tour.. You put here a wrong information! They only say the selling out is fast!! But they not say any number!