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:::::::::::The info on gypsy bacon is on page 11 of the bacon cookbook "cured spiced pig belly blackened with pigs blood before long smoking. Eaten uncooked or cooked." The article was actually in popular science, not new scientist, my bad [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Popular_Science_Monthly_Volume_38.djvu/page444-600px-Popular_Science_Monthly_Volume_38.djvu.jpg]. [[Special:Contributions/89.100.207.51|89.100.207.51]] ([[User talk:89.100.207.51|talk]]) 20:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC) |
:::::::::::The info on gypsy bacon is on page 11 of the bacon cookbook "cured spiced pig belly blackened with pigs blood before long smoking. Eaten uncooked or cooked." The article was actually in popular science, not new scientist, my bad [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Popular_Science_Monthly_Volume_38.djvu/page444-600px-Popular_Science_Monthly_Volume_38.djvu.jpg]. [[Special:Contributions/89.100.207.51|89.100.207.51]] ([[User talk:89.100.207.51|talk]]) 20:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC) |
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Please add the following to the article: ==Uncooked bacon== |
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Some varieties of bacon are eaten uncooked, and in some cultures this is the norm<ref>{{cite journal |title=Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen's magazine|volume=84-85}}</ref>. Varieties eaten raw include Spanish [[jamon serrano]], Basque [[Jambon de Bayonne]]<ref>{{cite book |title=Jane Grigson's Vegetable Book}}</ref> Italian [[prosciutto crudo]], Hungarian [[gypsy bacon]]<ref>{{cite book |title=[[The Bacon Cookbook]]}}</ref>, and German [[Ham#Germany|Westfälischer Schinken]]<ref>{{cite book |title=The Random House encyclopedia: Volume 1}}</ref>. Uncooked varieties of bacon have an increased risk of inducing [[Trichinosis]]<ref>{{cite journal |title=Popular Science|volume=38}}</ref>. |
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Please fix the link to pig; the intended article is domestic pig. Thanks. 69.3.72.249 (talk) 23:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Pancetta is not rolled after it is cured. Rolled pancetta is rolled then cured. Flat pancetta is cured flat and not rolled. (see for example: http://www.chow.com/recipes/10699-chow-pancetta or Charcuterie by Michael Ruhlman.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrhenderson (talk • contribs) 23:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
i agree.88.230.30.66 (talk) 01:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Cut used for bacon
Article says that cuts from side or back of pig are usually used for bacon except in the US. This seems like a dubious claim to me. It is true that belly cuts have gone out of fashion due to the fear of fat, but I think they are still used in classical cooking in Europe. For example, if a classical French recipe calls for bacon it definitely means belly and not back bacon. Likewise, pancetta, which is Italian bacon, is always belly.
From personal experience, in the UK "streaky" bacon (from belly) is always available whenever back bacon is. Older people do not seem to accept back bacon as bacon at all.
So we need a source for the "usually" part, or else it should be changed to "bacon is traditionally from belly but increasingly from other cuts like back" or something. -- Borb (talk) 12:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Coatrackery
The "health concerns" section has too much coatracking. 174.226.202.182 (talk) 17:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Side Pork???
I love bacon. I'm an American, well educated and well fed. I have never heard another American refer to bacon as "side pork" as the article says Americans do. Perhaps this is an error in the article. 69.245.65.89 (talk) 17:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
"Bacon" products section
Should mention Beggin Strips. Dogs don't know its not bacon!76.226.140.114 (talk) 21:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Citations Missing Template?
According to wikipedia's philosophy, "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable."
Therefore, if this article is missing many citations, then someone should add {{Citations missing}} to the top. I can't do it because this is semi-protected. --96.242.163.228 (talk) 00:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 2 May 2012
Bacon is the most manly food in the world
67.121.235.190 (talk) 21:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Streak of lean
I upped this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Streakolean.jpg "Streak of lean" a while back and it is used in the fatback article. I see lots of images, and didn't want to screw up the flow and put it in myself. If someone thinks it is useful, here it is. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 00:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 17 May 2012
The first paragraph of the lead contains the statement "Fresh and dried bacon must be cooked before eating". This sentence should be removed, as various bacons (such as Jamón serrano) are eaten uncooked. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 01:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Not done: There is no evidence that Jamón serrano is a type of bacon or prepared in the same way as fresh and dried bacon which must be cooked prior to eating. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:40, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- Bacon is a general term for any kind of cured pork. Jamon serrano is a variety of cured pork, so Jamon serrano is a variety of bacon. The same applies to prosciutto crudo, which is also eaten uncooked. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 14:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm asking that unsourced material be removed. Sources are not required for the removal of unsourced content. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Done - I didn't quite do what the IP asked for - but "must" is too far anyway. Of course anyone with a frigging brain would cook it but there's no LAW (at least for personal consumption) that forces one to. In any case even if that's reverted, the IP has had plenty of discussion so answered=yes Egg Centric 21:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Edit request
In the first paragraph of the lede, "Fresh and dried bacon ought to be cooked before eating." should be changed to "Fresh and dried bacon may be eaten cooked or uncooked". "Ought to" is pov. An encyclopedia isn't meant to tell people what ought to be done, it's to inform people about what is done. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 10:33, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Not done - I think you would need to establish some consensus for this. It's kind of a meaningless statement - after all any food MAY be eaten cooked or uncooked. Any substance even! Egg Centric 14:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Mdann52 (talk) 15:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
Done I've had one of my trademark changes of heart and have got rid of it for the IP. Egg Centric 18:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have restored the content, this was clearly against consensus. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:59, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- It could maybe be worded differently, but I agree that the content is not instruction as much as information. Some food is eaten raw, bacon is generally not. Above, someone said it needed a cite to say it is usually cooked, I disagree per WP:BLUE. Also see Trichinosis. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 20:07, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- How was it clearly against consensus? Bacon may not generally be eaten raw 'in your experience', that does not mean that it is not generally eaten raw. Eating it raw is quite common. And how does BLUE apply? All sorts of foods carry risks from eating, that doesn't mean that they aren't eaten.89.100.207.51 (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- I guess I can only go by my experience and the experience of others (ie: consensus), as well as the link to Trichinosis which was a serious health concern until recently. If you have sources, by all means, provide them and it can be added somewhere in the article. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 02:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- I know trichinosis is an issue, but that doesn't change the fact that bacon is consumed both raw and cooked, in the same way that salmonella being a risk doesn't change the fact that raw eggs are consumed (e.g. in mayonnaise). From new scientist, vol. 38 (1891): "The best Bologna sausages are made of chopped bacon and pea-flour, and are flavored chiefly with garlic and cloves. When the bacon is old, but sound, says the Sanitarian, such sausages are wholesome and highly nutritious, and are especially useful to laborers, travelers, and soldiers in camp, and others who have not the means of cooking at hand. They rarely spoil, but, being eaten uncooked, they may sometimes introduce trichinæ." 89.100.207.51 (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- I guess I can only go by my experience and the experience of others (ie: consensus), as well as the link to Trichinosis which was a serious health concern until recently. If you have sources, by all means, provide them and it can be added somewhere in the article. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 02:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- How was it clearly against consensus? Bacon may not generally be eaten raw 'in your experience', that does not mean that it is not generally eaten raw. Eating it raw is quite common. And how does BLUE apply? All sorts of foods carry risks from eating, that doesn't mean that they aren't eaten.89.100.207.51 (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Not done: No consensus for change. Mdann52 (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- The statement "Fresh and dried bacon ought to be cooked before eating." is Original Research. Per WP:CONLIMITED, lack of consensus on one project does not override wider policies such as No Original Research. Per WP:BURDEN, the onus to provide sources is on the editor who adds or reinstates material. The statement is unsourced. I have provided reliable sources that show that it is untrue. It should be removed. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 11:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I changed the sentence to read Fresh and dried bacon is typically cooked before eating. because that is true in the vast majority of instances, the phrase isn't instructional and should satisfy the needs here as a reasonable compromise. As I said earlier, the word "ought" wasn't the best word, but neither was "may". As to eating raw, I was quite serious about adding a section that covers this, and if you write and source a small section to this effect, I would be quite open to including it, for the sake of completeness. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 13:12, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- ==Uncooked bacon==
- I changed the sentence to read Fresh and dried bacon is typically cooked before eating. because that is true in the vast majority of instances, the phrase isn't instructional and should satisfy the needs here as a reasonable compromise. As I said earlier, the word "ought" wasn't the best word, but neither was "may". As to eating raw, I was quite serious about adding a section that covers this, and if you write and source a small section to this effect, I would be quite open to including it, for the sake of completeness. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 13:12, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Some varieties of bacon are eaten uncooked, and in some cultures this is the norm[1]. Varieties eaten raw include Spanish jamon serrano, Basque Jambon de Bayonne[2] Italian prosciutto crudo, Hungarian gypsy bacon[3], and German Westfälischer Schinken[4]. Uncooked varieties of bacon have an increased risk of inducing Trichinosis[5].
- Not done: See above Mdann52 (talk) 15:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm much more willing to make this edit than Mdann52 appears to be except the references aren't adequate. The references don't provide enough information that I would know where to find the information. Attempt to use {{Cite book}} and {{Cite journal}} Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[6]
- Not done: See above Mdann52 (talk) 15:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen's magazine". 84–85.
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(help) - ^ Jane Grigson's Vegetable Book.
- ^ The Bacon Cookbook.
- ^ The Random House encyclopedia: Volume 1.
- ^ "Popular Science". 38.
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(help) - ^ Wray, Tom (1 November 2008). "Saving the bacon: inspections are the first line of defense for food safety in pork.(MODERN HYGIENE: PORK)". The National Provisioner via Highbeam Research. Retrieved 9 June 2012.(subscription required)
- I agree that if properly sourced, this section would make a useful addition. LadyofShalott 15:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I still don't believe there is enough information. I will Assume good faith because I don't have access to the sources, but there isn't enough information to identify the source. What in The Bacon Cookbook says that Hungarian Gypsy Bacon is eaten uncooked? I assume you used the cookbook to find the information so you have a page number. What in New Scientist says that it has an increased risk of causing Trichinosis is there a title to the article? Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:29, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that if properly sourced, this section would make a useful addition. LadyofShalott 15:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I will look at the sources later, but this could be added if the sources pan out. And yes, I cooked up 3 pounds of bacon this morning. I keep it cooked in a bag in the fridge for eating all week :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 16:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- A side note for Dennis Brown. If you like bacon as much as I do, you should try Bacon Explosion. I've only made it once in my life, but it was beyond amazing. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:50, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I will look at the sources later, but this could be added if the sources pan out. And yes, I cooked up 3 pounds of bacon this morning. I keep it cooked in a bag in the fridge for eating all week :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 16:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Partly done:—cyberpower ChatOnline 00:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Edit request
Please add the following to the article: ==Uncooked bacon== Some varieties of bacon are eaten uncooked, and in some cultures this is the norm[1]. Varieties eaten raw include Spanish jamon serrano, Basque Jambon de Bayonne[2] Italian prosciutto crudo, Hungarian gypsy bacon[3], and German Westfälischer Schinken[4]. Uncooked varieties of bacon have an increased risk of inducing Trichinosis[5].
- ^ "Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen's magazine". 84–85.
{{cite journal}}
: Cite journal requires|journal=
(help) - ^ Jane Grigson's Vegetable Book.
- ^ The Bacon Cookbook.
- ^ The Random House encyclopedia: Volume 1.
- ^ "Popular Science". 38.
{{cite journal}}
: Cite journal requires|journal=
(help)