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{{ping|Darkness Shines}} - Seeing the scope of this article is limited to Labour, it might be a good idea to list the specific figures and statements involved? e.g. [[Naz Shah]], [[George Galloway]], [[Ken Livingstone]], and others (come to think of this, we might have a list long enough for a category)?[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 12:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
{{ping|Darkness Shines}} - Seeing the scope of this article is limited to Labour, it might be a good idea to list the specific figures and statements involved? e.g. [[Naz Shah]], [[George Galloway]], [[Ken Livingstone]], Nasreen Khan, and others (come to think of this, we might have a list long enough for a category)?[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 12:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC) And: Salim Mulla, Beinazir Lasharie, Mohammed Shabbir, Ilyas Aziz, Shah Hussain, Aysegul Gurbuz, Khadim Hussain, Miqdad Al-Nuaimi', Jasmin Qureshi, Shabana Mahmood, Andrew Murray, Tim Lezard, ...[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 12:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:Seems to be too much information, and we would also have to have responses. Not sure it adds anything. Also why would we list people not notable enough for their own page?12:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:: This isn't a list. But rather notable incidents. When these incidents, involving anti-semitism in Labour, garner international press it is definitely of note in an article about Antisemitism in the Labour Party.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 12:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:::I disagree, it is only notable if they are (not something they say).[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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::::Notability of a person has nothing to do with content, coverage in RS does. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 13:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes it does, it is called undue. Just because RS cover it does not mean we have to have it, it just means we can. But if we include any Tom Dick or Harry we are going to end up with a worthless list.[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 13:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::: Certainly we wouldn't include party member Tom. However elected officials or senior functionaries in the party are definitely of note - as we see in coverage by RSes who cover them (while for the main part ignoring party members and supporters).[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 13:57, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::::I disagree, Wikipedia does not consider councelors (for example) as notable party figures. If someone is not notable enough to have a page here they cannot (by inference) be notable labour party members. I would say they need to first be notable party members, not notable for being antisemitic.[[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 16:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:(ecx3)Up to you, I'm going to be working on a background section, how the party has become antisemitic and why. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 12:45, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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BTW, please format refs correctly [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 13:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Listing incidents
@Darkness Shines: - Seeing the scope of this article is limited to Labour, it might be a good idea to list the specific figures and statements involved? e.g. Naz Shah, George Galloway, Ken Livingstone, Nasreen Khan, and others (come to think of this, we might have a list long enough for a category)?Icewhiz (talk) 12:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC) And: Salim Mulla, Beinazir Lasharie, Mohammed Shabbir, Ilyas Aziz, Shah Hussain, Aysegul Gurbuz, Khadim Hussain, Miqdad Al-Nuaimi', Jasmin Qureshi, Shabana Mahmood, Andrew Murray, Tim Lezard, ...Icewhiz (talk) 12:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Seems to be too much information, and we would also have to have responses. Not sure it adds anything. Also why would we list people not notable enough for their own page?12:44, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- This isn't a list. But rather notable incidents. When these incidents, involving anti-semitism in Labour, garner international press it is definitely of note in an article about Antisemitism in the Labour Party.Icewhiz (talk) 12:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree, it is only notable if they are (not something they say).Slatersteven (talk) 12:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Notability of a person has nothing to do with content, coverage in RS does. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Yes it does, it is called undue. Just because RS cover it does not mean we have to have it, it just means we can. But if we include any Tom Dick or Harry we are going to end up with a worthless list.Slatersteven (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Certainly we wouldn't include party member Tom. However elected officials or senior functionaries in the party are definitely of note - as we see in coverage by RSes who cover them (while for the main part ignoring party members and supporters).Icewhiz (talk) 13:57, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree, Wikipedia does not consider councelors (for example) as notable party figures. If someone is not notable enough to have a page here they cannot (by inference) be notable labour party members. I would say they need to first be notable party members, not notable for being antisemitic.Slatersteven (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Certainly we wouldn't include party member Tom. However elected officials or senior functionaries in the party are definitely of note - as we see in coverage by RSes who cover them (while for the main part ignoring party members and supporters).Icewhiz (talk) 13:57, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Yes it does, it is called undue. Just because RS cover it does not mean we have to have it, it just means we can. But if we include any Tom Dick or Harry we are going to end up with a worthless list.Slatersteven (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Notability of a person has nothing to do with content, coverage in RS does. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree, it is only notable if they are (not something they say).Slatersteven (talk) 12:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- This isn't a list. But rather notable incidents. When these incidents, involving anti-semitism in Labour, garner international press it is definitely of note in an article about Antisemitism in the Labour Party.Icewhiz (talk) 12:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- (ecx3)Up to you, I'm going to be working on a background section, how the party has become antisemitic and why. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:45, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
BTW, please format refs correctly Darkness Shines (talk) 13:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)