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"'''Big Jock Knew'''" is a song sung by some supporters of
There is no proof that he knew and it is pure speculation from sectarian rangers fans trying to get a rise out of Celtic fans.
==Background==
During Torbett's trial in 1998, former Celtic Boys' Club chairman Hugh Birt claimed that Stein and the Celtic board were aware of and covered up allegations made against Torbett.
During Torbett's trial in 1998, former Celtic Boys' Club chairman Hugh Birt claimed that Stein and the Celtic board were aware of and covered up allegations made against Torbett.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-18674472.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171001031413/https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-18674472.html |url-status=dead |archive-date=1 October 2017 |title=Stein 'covered up' allegations of abuse at Celtic Boys' Club |publisher=The Scotsman Highbeam.com |date=7 November 1998 |access-date=21 September 2016}}</ref><ref name=anger>{{cite web|url=http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12364258.Celtic_Boys_apos__Club_founder_guilty_of_shameless_indecency_Anger_over_allegations_suggesting_that_Jock_Stein_was_involved_in_20_year_cover_up/|title=Celtic Boys' Club founder guilty of shameless indecency; Anger over allegations suggesting that Jock Stein was involved in 20-year cover-up|website=Herald Scotland|date=13 November 1998|access-date=7 December 2017|quote=Former Celtic directors Mr Kevin Kelly, 61, and Mr James Farrell, 77, said they never heard of any allegations concerning the accused and Mr Kelly, a director in Torbett's Trophy Centre business, denied ever talking to Mr Birt about the matter. Asked if Mr Stein had tried to cover-up any allegations Mr Farrell said: "He would have been playing with dynamite if he had done that. Jock would never have behaved like that."}}</ref> Other witnesses testified that Stein, who by then was deceased, would not have been aware of the matter.<ref name=anger/> At Torbett's second trial Birt stated that Stein had an awareness of the allegations and dismissed Torbett, but the police were not called.<ref name=how/> In 2017 the ''[[Daily Record (Scotland)|Daily Record]]'' reported that the BBC "had spoken to three other former Celtic Boys’ Club officials – who were employed at the time in question – who also say they were told Torbett was sacked by Stein after complaints Torbett had abused boys. But police were never called."<ref name="McGivern-11Apr2017">{{cite news |last1=McGivern |first1=Mark |title=Celtic Boys' Club sex predator Jim Torbett given second chance to abuse young players |url=https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/celtic-boys-club-sex-predator-10198909 |accessdate=24 January 2020 |work=Daily Record |date=11 April 2017}}</ref>▼
Anger over allegations suggesting that Jock Stein was involved in 20-year cover-up. Former Celtic directors Mr Kevin Kelly, 61, and Mr James Farrell, 77, said they never heard of any allegations concerning the accused and Mr Kelly, a director in Torbett's Trophy Centre business, denied ever talking to Mr Birt about the matter. Asked if Mr Stein had tried to cover-up any allegations Mr Farrell said: "He would have been playing with dynamite if he had done that. Jock would never have behaved like that.
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Torbett was convicted of abuse against boys in his charge for a second time in 2018, relating to a spell in the 1980s after he returned to Celtic Boys Club.<ref>{{cite web|title=Celtic Boys Club founder guilty of abuse|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-46098908|work=[[BBC News]] |date=5 November 2018|accessdate=8 November 2018 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=HMA v James Torbett|url=http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/2088/HMA-v-James-Torbett|publisher=[[Judiciary of Scotland]] | date=5 November 2018|accessdate=8 November 2018 }}</ref>
== Reaction ==
The song has provoked controversy and been condemned.<ref>{{cite news |title=More than a game|first=Bernard|last=Thompson|url=https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/24/newsstory.sport12?INTCMP=SRCH|newspaper=The Guardian |date=24 August 2007 |accessdate=6 March 2011}}</ref><ref>{{ cite web | url=http://www.scotzine.com/2012/12/child-abuse-is-not-something-to-use-as-a-tool-to-beat-rivals-with-in-football-rivalry/ | title=Child Abuse is not something to use as a tool to beat rivals with in football rivalry | publisher=Scotzine |date=15 December 2012 |accessdate=14 October 2018}}</ref> [[UNICEF]] expressed concern over the song and called for it to be banned from football games.<ref>{{cite news|title=Unicef: Famine Song banned|first=Stuart|last=MacDonald|url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unicef-famine-song-banned-r3ks9zc75kv|newspaper=The Sunday Times |date=10 January 2009|access-date=6 March 2011}}
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</ref> In 2007, the then [[Scottish Football Association]] Chief Executive [[Gordon Smith (footballer born September 1954)|Gordon Smith]] called the song "morally repugnant."<ref>{{cite news |title=Reid this and weep: accusations have no place in football world|first=Graham |last=Spiers |url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article2934034.ece |newspaper=The Times |date=24 November 2007 |access-date=17 March 2011}}</ref>
== References ==
[[Category:Rangers F.C. songs]]
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"Big Jock Knew" is a song sung by some supporters of The Rangers. It is sang by sectarian fans of The Rangers' and aimed at Celtic by alleging that former manager Jock Stein was aware of sexual abuse committed by former Celtic Boys Club manager Jim Torbett during the 1960s and 1970s, and did not notify the authorities.
There is no proof that he knew and it is pure speculation from sectarian rangers fans trying to get a rise out of Celtic fans.
Background
During Torbett's trial in 1998, former Celtic Boys' Club chairman Hugh Birt claimed that Stein and the Celtic board were aware of and covered up allegations made against Torbett.
Anger over allegations suggesting that Jock Stein was involved in 20-year cover-up. Former Celtic directors Mr Kevin Kelly, 61, and Mr James Farrell, 77, said they never heard of any allegations concerning the accused and Mr Kelly, a director in Torbett's Trophy Centre business, denied ever talking to Mr Birt about the matter. Asked if Mr Stein had tried to cover-up any allegations Mr Farrell said: "He would have been playing with dynamite if he had done that. Jock would never have behaved like that.
Torbett was convicted of abuse against boys in his charge for a second time in 2018, relating to a spell in the 1980s after he returned to Celtic Boys Club.[4][5]
Reaction
The song has provoked controversy and been condemned.[6][7] UNICEF expressed concern over the song and called for it to be banned from football games.[8] The song was not originally placed on a list of banned chants by the Scottish Premier League whereas other similar controversial chants, such as the Billy Boys, were.[9] In 2007, the then Scottish Football Association Chief Executive Gordon Smith called the song "morally repugnant."[10]
In 2007, at the end of the song "Who Knew" by Pink, Real Radio DJ Steven McKenna stated, "Big Jock". This sparked angry complaints from Celtic fans calling for him to be sacked. The radio station then issued a public apology.[11]
References
- ^ "Stein 'covered up' allegations of abuse at Celtic Boys' Club". The Scotsman Highbeam.com. 7 November 1998. Archived from the original on 1 October 2017. Retrieved 21 September 2016.
- ^ "Celtic Boys' Club founder guilty of shameless indecency; Anger over allegations suggesting that Jock Stein was involved in 20-year cover-up". Herald Scotland. 13 November 1998. Retrieved 7 December 2017.
Former Celtic directors Mr Kevin Kelly, 61, and Mr James Farrell, 77, said they never heard of any allegations concerning the accused and Mr Kelly, a director in Torbett's Trophy Centre business, denied ever talking to Mr Birt about the matter. Asked if Mr Stein had tried to cover-up any allegations Mr Farrell said: "He would have been playing with dynamite if he had done that. Jock would never have behaved like that."
- ^ McGivern, Mark (11 April 2017). "Celtic Boys' Club sex predator Jim Torbett given second chance to abuse young players". Daily Record. Retrieved 24 January 2020.
- ^ "Celtic Boys Club founder guilty of abuse". BBC News. 5 November 2018. Retrieved 8 November 2018.
- ^ "HMA v James Torbett". Judiciary of Scotland. 5 November 2018. Retrieved 8 November 2018.
- ^ Thompson, Bernard (24 August 2007). "More than a game". The Guardian. Retrieved 6 March 2011.
- ^ "Child Abuse is not something to use as a tool to beat rivals with in football rivalry". Scotzine. 15 December 2012. Retrieved 14 October 2018.
- ^ MacDonald, Stuart (10 January 2009). "Unicef: Famine Song banned". The Sunday Times. Retrieved 6 March 2011.
- ^ Broadfoot, Darryl (6 August 2007). "SPL urged to clarify banned chants". Herald Scotland. Retrieved 6 March 2011.
- ^ Spiers, Graham (24 November 2007). "Reid this and weep: accusations have no place in football world". The Times. Retrieved 17 March 2011.
- ^ Rose, Gareth (15 August 2007). "Club apologises to Celtic after sex abuse jibe". The Scotsman. Retrieved 6 March 2011.