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Hi. Is an IBAN possible on an involved admin ? Is there an issue with posting a warning on their talk? Thanks. [[User:Pasdecomplot|Pasdecomplot]] ([[User talk:Pasdecomplot|talk]]) 15:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
Hi. Is an IBAN possible on an involved admin ? Is there an issue with posting a warning on their talk? Thanks. [[User:Pasdecomplot|Pasdecomplot]] ([[User talk:Pasdecomplot|talk]]) 15:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:It is theoretically possible.... but I suggest starting a normal conversation with the admin. No one likes a flyby warning....just explain your POV on the situation thus giving them a venue to explain what's going on.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User_talk:Moxy|Moxy]]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 15:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
:It is theoretically possible.... but I suggest starting a normal conversation with the admin. No one likes a flyby warning....just explain your POV on the situation thus giving them a venue to explain what's going on.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">[[User_talk:Moxy|Moxy]]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 15:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:('''e/c''') Hi [[User:Pasdecomplot|Pasdecomplot]]. An administrator is not a <u>higher level user</u>—they only have access to <u>higher level tools</u>. They can absolutely be warned, blocked, or banned. However, the fact they are an administrator (but for a very few users who got their access in the very, very earliest days of Wikipedia) always means they are highly experienced; went through a community process to request the access to the tools that that would not have succeeded if they hadn't shown by their edits they seemed like a person who was clueful and to be trusted and who had a good working knowledge of policy and guideline. What that translates to is that it is not very common that administrators need to be warned for their edits, or blocked or even banned, but it certainly happens.<p>Additionally – and much of the following is my general advice for how to comport yourself to avoid problems and get the result you actually want without knowing the specifics, so I don't know if the following applies to you – but please be aware of [[WP:BOOMERANG]] and please note [[Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars]]. If you are, for example, in a seeming interaction that is heading towards an [[WP:EW|edit war]] with a highly experienced user (admin or otherwise), I strongly recommend discussing the issue at their talk page (calmly and as neutrally as possible) tailored to the specifics. [[Insult ad hominem|Focus on the content issue, not what you think of them]]. Also, cite policy/guideline that supports what you are there about, and be sure it's them and not you. It usually takes two to edit war (if you are the sole person reverting multiple experienced others, you probably need to re-think your position). Likewise, it often takes two people reverting multiple times for one of them to cross the line and breach the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]]. Please also note the [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle]]. Something that can be described as "calm discussion" where you "raise an issue" is usually superior to something one would describe as "warning". Best regards--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 15:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Archive tag.
Hello, can anyone help me place an archive tag on first archive page? The template that I found links to an uncreated talk page and not my actual talk page. The link for the archive is here, much appreciated.SenatorLEVI (talk) 11:38, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello SenatorLEVI, and welcome to the Teahouse! It seems you may have been misled. User talk pages belong in the user talk namespace (i.e. User talk:Giraffer). You created your archive in the talk namespace (i.e. Talk:Wikipedia). The talk namespace is mean to be for talk pages of articles, not users. It really should be called article talk, but we just call it talk. Confusingly, talk can also refer to talk page namespaces in general, of which there are many more than user talk & talk (i.e. Wikipedia talk). So if someone says 'talk', it is the talk page of whatever they are talking about (user = user talk, article = talk, wikipedia (such as this page) = wikipedia talk, template = template talk).
- Anyhow, I have moved your archive into the user talk namespace, and did some maintenance work to clean it up. The location of your new archive page is User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 (2020), like everyone else's (User talk:Giraffer/Archive 1). You seem to have found a template to use, so you can use that. I hope this helps. Giraffer munch 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi SenatorLEVI. You archived to Talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 (2020) which is an archive page for articles. Your archives should be subpages of User talk:SenatorLEVI. The archive has been moved to User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 (2020). If you want to use existing tools then I suggest you choose either User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archive 1 or User talk:SenatorLEVI/Archives/2020, not a combined name with both number and year. You didn't say which template you wanted to use. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Giraffer, thank you for helping me. And I appreciate adding the correct tag.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you PrimeHunter, I'll make sure to use that from now on.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Happy editing. Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 09:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- You too, Merry Christmas.SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Happy editing. Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 09:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Would like to improve my page
Please help me out in improving page quality.
here is the page link Flixoye (talk) 06:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Flixoye I assume you mean Draft:Gadiyara. A film that has no significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject will not be accepted. Please carefully read Wikipedia:Notability (films).--Shantavira|feed me 09:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flixoye (talk • contribs) 07:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Requesting Deleted Article To Be Created
I tried searching Nigerian singer Kaptain Kush, discovered it was deleted due to G5, I requested it should be recreated using the request article procedure. I want to know if this was the right thing to do as I am very much still studying Wikipedia policies and I'm not done and I haven't perfected the way articles are created or edited here. BadEdithor (talk) 08:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- BadEdithor, I would suggest filing a request at WP:Requests for undeletion, where you will be directly able to work on the last version of the article before it was deleted. Giraffer munch 08:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia terms as I am still studying them, so I'm only asking anyone who's good at it can assist, I have sources that I think would make it stand as an article here too if I'm to go with the musical criteria or GNG of Wikipedia BadEdithor (talk) 09:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- BadEdithor, I'm confused... do you want to know if you did the right thing or would you like help writing the article? (both are available here) Regards, Giraffer munch 09:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia terms as I am still studying them, so I'm only asking anyone who's good at it can assist, I have sources that I think would make it stand as an article here too if I'm to go with the musical criteria or GNG of Wikipedia BadEdithor (talk) 09:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm asking if it can be undeleted,then any author who is good at editing on wikipedia assist in editing it to meet wikipedia terms BadEdithor (talk) 09:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Aparently this is about Kaptain Kush. I am not an admin and therefore cannot see how "bad" it was. Could some of the admin folks here have a look? That being said, speedy deletions under WP:G5 go to WP:DRV, not WP:Requests for undeletion. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- If Kaptain Kush is restored, BadEdithor has been asked on Talk page to declare paid on User page before doing any editing. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Given the history of this page (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kolapoimam/Archive and WP:UPE), any request to recreate or undelete it should be summarily refused. MER-C 11:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Giraffer, David notMD, @MER-C, I learnt the subject of that article has been soliciting for a Wikipedia article since forever. He has been contracting out editors to create the article on his behalf. I can state without an iota of doubt that @BadEdithor is really what his username suggests. They have been here for 20 hours only & suddenly want to re-create an article that has been created & deleted twice by covert UPE’s and socks. I mean What are the odds that this is a mere coincidence? I stand with MER-C on this one. I would even suggest the page be salted with an administrators only access. It’s Christmas and Nigerian UPE/UPE editors world wide are looking to make a quick $ to enjoy the festive period. Celestina007 (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I simply go down the list of Teahouse questions and answer them, regardless of the experience of the questioner or lack thereof. In this context, their UPE status is irrelevant, so I answered their question, but they should certainly be reported for UPE nonetheless. (My apologies for not doing so.) Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 13:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Giraffer, David notMD, @MER-C, I learnt the subject of that article has been soliciting for a Wikipedia article since forever. He has been contracting out editors to create the article on his behalf. I can state without an iota of doubt that @BadEdithor is really what his username suggests. They have been here for 20 hours only & suddenly want to re-create an article that has been created & deleted twice by covert UPE’s and socks. I mean What are the odds that this is a mere coincidence? I stand with MER-C on this one. I would even suggest the page be salted with an administrators only access. It’s Christmas and Nigerian UPE/UPE editors world wide are looking to make a quick $ to enjoy the festive period. Celestina007 (talk) 12:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Aparently this is about Kaptain Kush. I am not an admin and therefore cannot see how "bad" it was. Could some of the admin folks here have a look? That being said, speedy deletions under WP:G5 go to WP:DRV, not WP:Requests for undeletion. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm asking if it can be undeleted,then any author who is good at editing on wikipedia assist in editing it to meet wikipedia terms BadEdithor (talk) 09:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Add that BadEdithor's very first edit was a highly detailed article creation request at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers, bands and songwriters minimally suggests past editing expertise under a different name, COI and probably UPE. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I admitted in my talk page to knowing the subject "management" but not in anyway been compensated or going to be compensated, if I'm doing this wrongly, I hope I get 'put through'/help and if what the admins and authors decide is against a new editor which is me, who am I to contest it? But I wish to be led right, reason why I asked questions where it is necessary to avoid any circumstance, or maybe I'm asking the wrong questions too, at least I can be corrected too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadEdithor (talk • contribs) 15:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- What applies then is WP:COI, meaning that on your User page, not just your Talk page, describe the nature of your connection to Kaptain Kush. This may not help, as the multitude of efforts to create such an article may have poisoned the well. Specifically, you are asking to undelete a draft that was submitted by a sockpuppet of a blocked editor. Better to start over. Be aware that several editors - me included - suspect you of being undeclared paid despite your protests to the contrary. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Would posting about being connected to the subject management on my user and talk page and maybe start a draft for the subject help?
- Also declaring that I'm not in anyway compensated? BadEdithor (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- BadEdithor, you repeatedly stated that you're not in any way asked to edit the article. Fine, let's assume that's the fact. Do you have a close connection with Kaptain though? Because if you do, WP:COI still counts. GeraldWL 17:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't asked to edit the article but I know the subject management. I felt since he has some veriable source as recommended by Wikipedia, then I should try it out, discovering that there was a banned user who created it prompted me to ask questions which led to this, if it's a wrong decision of me, I beg to pardoned and maybe I will try out other articles, I'm still very much avoiding editing articles for now since I'm still reading wikipedia terms, the article was supposed to be my first trial, reason why I asked questions immediately I saw the banned user notice, also I don't intend to edit the article directly since it has issues but suggests any edit through the article's talk page as stated on Wikipedia terms. BadEdithor (talk) 17:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @BadEdithor, honestly just stop. You aren’t talking to editors who were born last night, we literally have heard it all. You initially stated that this was your first time here but as stated above your very first edit made that claim improbable. The article in question has been salted so don’t bother any further you wouldn’t be able to recreate it in a very very long time. Celestina007 (talk) 17:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't asked to edit the article but I know the subject management. I felt since he has some veriable source as recommended by Wikipedia, then I should try it out, discovering that there was a banned user who created it prompted me to ask questions which led to this, if it's a wrong decision of me, I beg to pardoned and maybe I will try out other articles, I'm still very much avoiding editing articles for now since I'm still reading wikipedia terms, the article was supposed to be my first trial, reason why I asked questions immediately I saw the banned user notice, also I don't intend to edit the article directly since it has issues but suggests any edit through the article's talk page as stated on Wikipedia terms. BadEdithor (talk) 17:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Apology If I'm getting anything wrong, just needed light to be shade, i have have learnt alot here through my short period here, I hope I'm permitted to ask questions when I have issues, if yes,
- what does it mean when a page is salted?
- Am allowed to make edit on Wikipedia with my little knowledge or rather suggest them in the articles' talk pages? BadEdithor (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nothing prohibits you from editing other articles. Editors who are paid or have a COI are told to make specific suggestions on article Talk pages rather than edit directly. David notMD (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- SALTED: "Pages that have been creation-protected are sometimes referred to as "salted". Contributors wishing to re-create a salted title with appropriate content should either contact an administrator (preferably the protecting administrator), file a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for reduction in protection level, or use the deletion review process. To make a convincing case for re-creation, it is helpful to show a draft version of the intended article when filing a request." David notMD (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nothing prohibits you from editing other articles. Editors who are paid or have a COI are told to make specific suggestions on article Talk pages rather than edit directly. David notMD (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feed back, my intention was to make suggestions till I'm fully familiar with Wikipedia policy, reason why I asked questions, but sadly, it led to an article being salted. Don't you think it should be reviewed since it was an author who wasn't aware of the issues on ground that suggested I request for undeletion which I did? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadEdithor (talk • contribs) 19:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- What sort of question is that? BadEdithor, your disingenuous failure to comprehend this thread is no excuse, and, if you were, in fact, previously not involved with the article's creation, it has an egregious history, so our grudge is against the article. Nothing you may do will dispel that.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback, my apology. BadEdithor (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- What sort of question is that? BadEdithor, your disingenuous failure to comprehend this thread is no excuse, and, if you were, in fact, previously not involved with the article's creation, it has an egregious history, so our grudge is against the article. Nothing you may do will dispel that.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feed back, my intention was to make suggestions till I'm fully familiar with Wikipedia policy, reason why I asked questions, but sadly, it led to an article being salted. Don't you think it should be reviewed since it was an author who wasn't aware of the issues on ground that suggested I request for undeletion which I did? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadEdithor (talk • contribs) 19:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Your request for undeletion (20 Dec) was denied. Please make no more attempts on this topic. David notMD (talk) 15:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
how to publish
Hi, I am new on wikipedia. For a while now I have been trying to write an article, but I am unable to publish it. It will not be published online. The article is already available in my sandbox. What I'm doing wrong? ElkeRijkx84 (talk) 12:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC) ElkeRijkx84 (talk) 12:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- And also in your Draftspace at Draft:Munatix, @ElkeRijkx84, Right here shows the article being declined when you first submitted it via the AFC process under a different account. I mean it’s fairly obvious you run both accounts. If you decide to manually move it to mainspace it would be an effort in futility as it would be nominated for deletion, address the notability concerns first after which you read both WP:COI & WP:PAID before thinking of submitting or publishing the article.Celestina007 (talk) 13:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Celestina007: Thank you for your replay. That is right, I also have another account (Elke6784, the Netherlands Wikipedia). The article must be made in the English version. I didn' knew how to change it, so I made an other account in the English version of Wikipedia. So, you think I have to publish the article in the first account? But it has to be made in the English one. What can I do to delete the first account? So I can work only from this account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:C436:9000:14DF:5057:94CF:38D3 (talk) 13:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Unless you have a good reason, you should only have one account (editing while logged out is also frowned upon in this case). Why does the article need to be made
in the English version
? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Unless you have a good reason, you should only have one account (editing while logged out is also frowned upon in this case). Why does the article need to be made
- @Celestina007: Thank you for your replay. That is right, I also have another account (Elke6784, the Netherlands Wikipedia). The article must be made in the English version. I didn' knew how to change it, so I made an other account in the English version of Wikipedia. So, you think I have to publish the article in the first account? But it has to be made in the English one. What can I do to delete the first account? So I can work only from this account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:C436:9000:14DF:5057:94CF:38D3 (talk) 13:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, ElkeRijkx84 . First, about the accounts: Most accounts are global, so once you have created one in one edition of Wikipedia, you can use the same account in any other edition. It is permitted to use more than one account as long as you don't use it in forbidden ways (see multiple accounts) but it would be easiest if you simply stick to one of your accounts and abandon the other. If you like, you could put a message on the User page of the other explaining that you are no longer user it, and give the name of the account you are using, though you don't have to.
- As to the draft: the fact that you say that "the article must be made in the English version", makes me think that, like most people who come to Wikipedia and immediately start trying to make an article about a band, you have a connection with the band and are here to promote it. If you have any connection with the band, please read about editing with a conflict of interest|. In any case, please study your first article, and understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Also non-neutral language like "Ricky is at heart a gifted guitar player with a love for Jimi Hendrix. Together they color their music" is not acceptable in any Wikipedia article, unless somebody wholly unconnected with the subject has said precisely that, and they are being explicitly quoted in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- The attantion is to continue with one account. I don't have a user page to put a massage on it. I hope it works when I just leave the other account.
- About knowing them: I listen to them on Spotify. And that sentence is taken from there biography written in blog articles. I can try to make that clear. Thank you for your help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:1810:c436:9000:84fe:2e81:ef6b:5369 (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Blogs not considered reliable source references for English Wikipedia. And you do have a user page User:ElkeRijkx84.
- It appears red because you have not added any content. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @ David notMD: If blogs are not considered reliable source references, what is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElkeRijkx84 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- ElkeRijkx84: generally self-published sources such as blogs are not regarded as reliable. Blogs by the subject of an article may be regarded as reliable, but they are primary sources, and so usable in very limited ways. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Please see Verifiability for more. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @ David notMD: If blogs are not considered reliable source references, what is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElkeRijkx84 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- As to the draft: the fact that you say that "the article must be made in the English version", makes me think that, like most people who come to Wikipedia and immediately start trying to make an article about a band, you have a connection with the band and are here to promote it. If you have any connection with the band, please read about editing with a conflict of interest|. In any case, please study your first article, and understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Also non-neutral language like "Ricky is at heart a gifted guitar player with a love for Jimi Hendrix. Together they color their music" is not acceptable in any Wikipedia article, unless somebody wholly unconnected with the subject has said precisely that, and they are being explicitly quoted in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 14:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, ElkeRijkx84 . First, about the accounts: Most accounts are global, so once you have created one in one edition of Wikipedia, you can use the same account in any other edition. It is permitted to use more than one account as long as you don't use it in forbidden ways (see multiple accounts) but it would be easiest if you simply stick to one of your accounts and abandon the other. If you like, you could put a message on the User page of the other explaining that you are no longer user it, and give the name of the account you are using, though you don't have to.
ElkeRijkx84 - please remember to log in, because some of your comments have been as from an IP address (not logged in) and some from ElkeRijkx84. Also, 'sign' your comments while logged in by typing four of ~ at the end. To add to ColinFine's point, interviews with people are not useful for establishing notability. Ditto press releases. Look for sources independent from the topic. David notMD (talk) 15:17, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Please is there any one in Wikipedia that can help me ?
Hello Dear Madam or Sir Please i need you to help me Can you adding this for me ? here is my information
My name is Omer Sarikaya
I born in Turkey/ Batman
my Date of birdh is:01/03/1969
I am writer and Director
i live in Holland/ Amsterdam
i did 5 Movie
Writer and Director of True Friendship (2015) this is short movie
Writer and Director of Silent Angel (2018)
Writer and Director of Islamophobia (2018)
Writer and Director of Silent Scream (2018)
Writer and Director of Aylan Baby (2019)
This articel is about AYLAN BABY https://www.aa.com.tr/en/life/story-of-drowned-syrian-toddler-set-to-be-film/1517711 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/28/alan-kurdi-syrian-toddler-drowned-turkey-steven-seagal-film https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/6/30/family-of-late-syrian-toddler-alan-kurdi-heartbroken-over-film
This articel is about ISLAMOPHOBIA https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/kultur-sanat/islamofobi-filminin-cekimleri-almanyada-tamamlandi/1216043 https://www.trthaber.com/haber/kultur-sanat/islamofobi-filminin-cekimleri-almanyada-tamamlandi-377433.html https://www.haberler.com/cannes-film-festivali-nde-iki-film-ile-turkiye-yi-12059533-haberi/
This articel its about me imbd
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4470253/?ref_=pro_nm_visitcons
So please Please please please can you do it for me becouse i realy dont know how to edit it's very complicated So please i would realy happy if you can help me to editing for me Thank you so much Omer Sarikaya Pmpfilm (talk) 12:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Pmpfilm, hello & welcome, your question isn’t a precise one, but I’m guessing you want to have a Wikipedia article on yourself right? If yes, then unfortunately the answer would be 'no' as Wikipedia isn’t an indiscriminate collection of biographical articles. Biographical articles you see on Wikipedia are on individuals who have passed our notability test. Our notability standard is centered predominantly on WP:GNG, basically it asks three questions which are; have reliable media discussed you? Are the reliable media independent of you? do these reliable media discuss you significantly? If the answer is yes for all three questions asked then you are notable enough if not then you aren’t notable enough at the moment. Celestina007 (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Pmpfilm: Please stop. Your question has already been answered above, and shopping for other editors to see if you can find one that agrees with you is unhelpful. Pahunkat (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)– Comment below transplanted by Tenryuu.
- Please i still not get any help from you guys !!
- i allready registered in Wikipedia almost 2 weeks
- And i when i search on Wikipedia My name Omer Sarikaya still not in Wikipedia why??
- please tell me why? Pmpfilm (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pmpfilm, please read the comments above and understand that an article about you will not be written if you do not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I've sent this user an email warning him not to let desperation send him into the arms of a paid WP "expert".--Quisqualis (talk) 16:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pmpfilm, please read the comments above and understand that an article about you will not be written if you do not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Pmpfilm: Please stop. Your question has already been answered above, and shopping for other editors to see if you can find one that agrees with you is unhelpful. Pahunkat (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Blocked David notMD (talk) 04:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis7
Hi, I am adding Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis7 in a future draft. How do I add the names of the people who competed in this tournament? Hayta= 14:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, D4135t~enwiki. If you look at Template:16TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis7, it tells you the names of the parameters. There doesn't seem to be any explanatory text, but the names see pretty self-explanatory. Also, you could look at the source of an article which uses the template, to see how that is used. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- ColinFine, I looked at the source, I entered the names of the fields, and it said it didn't exist. I have typed the fields correctly. What happened? Hayta= 15:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- I can't see an edit in your history where you applied the template, so I suppose you abandoned the attempt. But withoutwhat happened, how can anybody possibly diagnose the problem? --ColinFine (talk) 17:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @D4135t~enwiki: If you save your code then we can see what is wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- I can't see an edit in your history where you applied the template, so I suppose you abandoned the attempt. But withoutwhat happened, how can anybody possibly diagnose the problem? --ColinFine (talk) 17:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- ColinFine, I looked at the source, I entered the names of the fields, and it said it didn't exist. I have typed the fields correctly. What happened? Hayta= 15:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Question from Pmpfilm (blocked)
Question moved from another section to its own. Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 14:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Please i still not get any help from you guys !! i allready registered in Wikipedia almost 2 weeks And i when i search on Wikipedia My name Omer Sarikaya still not in Wikipedia why?? please tell me why? Pmpfilm (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Stop forumshopping. Giraffer (Merry·Christmas) 14:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pmpfilm. I am not the only Teahouse host who is getting annoyed at you. You have had abundant help from several people explaining that what you are trying to do cannot be done because Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion. You have been registered as an editor for two weeks: this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not there is an article about you. There can be an article about you only if you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and somebody who understands the difficult task of creating a Wikipedia article chooses to do so. At present, with the degree of annoyance you have engendered, the chances of that are approximately zero.
- If you are interested in helping us build an encyclopaedia, you are very welcome to take the Wikipedia Adventure and learn how to contribute. If you are here only to promote yourself, you are not particularly welcome, and you are likely to get blocked as somebody who is not here to build an encyclopedia. --ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- ColinFine, Please note that the user now is blocked per WP:NOTHERE. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 21:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi again its look no one in there willing help me and i am really totally confused All i need from any one can help and put my name in there to be active sins 3 days i write no one help me Pmpfilm (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pmpfilm, I strongly suggest you take ColinFine's advice. If you are only concerned with promoting your brand, seek other places to do so, like Instagram. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 14:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pmpfilm, no-one has offered to help you because no-one is able to help you. What you are asking for is not possible. Though, as you have been warned by email, you may encounter people who will say they can help you, for payment: don't pay them, they're scammers. Maproom (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- UPDATE: User indefinitely blocked for failing to understand that Wikipedia is not here to help them promote themselves. LinkedIn is a better option for such people. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pmpfilm Hi, Just to make you sure that you first have to create a article about yourself. If the name is in red colour, that means that the article does not exist. Right now, your name is in red colour. You know what it means. Your name will also not come when you search it because of privacy reasons. Hope you understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Cuber (talk • contribs) 2020-12-22T06:08:45 (UTC)
- Hi, Anonymous Cuber. Pmpfilm has been blocked, so it's irrelevant for them; but I want to point out to you that you are giving wrong information. Their name is in red because they haven't created a User page: this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not there is an article about them (which was what they were wanting). Their name would not come up in a search engine because there is not a (patrolled) article about them - again, nothing to do with whether they had a user page or not. --ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine Thanks for confirming, but what I wanted to mention is that the does not exist. I am not talking about the content of an article here. For Example, If I say Teahouse, it is a real article. But when I say Wikipedia Teahouse, it does not exist. That is what I meant. Check the difference in the colour of the two words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Cuber (talk • contribs) 04:39, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Draft tag list
Is there a list of draft tags anywhere or a search function to help find the most suitable tags? I was looking for a tag specific to musical groups/artists for a draft I submitted a couple of days back - Draft:Pieces of a Man (band). The closest I could find were Music Genres, Music and Discographies.
Also any advice or admin review would be appreciated :) --Orangelight747 (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC) Orangelight747 (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Orangelight747:These tags are from WikiProjects. A list is available at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory, though it might not be up to date... Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt: Thank you very helpful Orangelight747 (talk) 21:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Wikiquette for combining table years in filmographies
A bit more of a simple editing question here - is it polite etiquette to not combine table years in filmographies and other similar things? A common example is an actor has been featured in two different movies in 2000. I thought it might break up a table a bit more, or perhaps consistency is preferred on smaller tables. Maybe it's a personal preference thing instead, which in that case I'm just looking for opinions in any capacity. RadiganSupreme (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi RadiganSupreme, welcome to the Teahouse. It's customary to use
rowspan
to combine cells with the same year like in John Travolta filmography. I'm not a fan of doing it when rows are not in chronological order but unrelated consecutive rows happen to have the same year like in List of highest-grossing superhero films#Highest-grossing superhero films. I think it can give a misleading impression that the films are connected. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)- Thank you for the response, PrimeHunter. So it depends on context - lists such as highest grossing films are only connected through the amount of money they made, not anything else like similar franchise. But endeavours done by a person or a company, such as Travolta, means an obvious connection and recurring actor in those movies. Appreciate the clarification. RadiganSupreme (talk) 15:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Inigo Irudayaraj
need help in create a page for my client.
Iam new to wiki page and i need help in creating an article for my client and my article is getting rejected please help on the same Kogniticsindia (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Kogniticsindia. The first thing you should do is read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, in particular the part about "Paid editing". Since you've referred to the person who want to create an article about as your "client", Wikipedia is going to assume from the start that you've got some kind of personal or professional connection to him. The next things you probably should look at are Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing because lots of people trying to create articles misunderstand some pretty important stuff about Wikipedia and what a Wikipedia article is actually intended to be. Once you've looked at those pages, take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people) because if you're unable to establish that the person you want to write an article about satisfies Wikipedia's definition of notability, it's going to quite hard for any article created about him to avoid deletion no matter how well it's written. Finally, please also take a look at Wikipedia:Username policy#Promotional names since your choice of username seems (at least at first glance) to be something that's not really allowed. If this is not a problem, don't worry about it; however, if it is a problem, you should try and fix it asap to avoid being WP:SOFTBLOCKed by an administrator for a username violation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Kogniticsindia. As explained above, you must comply with WP:PAID before any other editing, and that is not negotiable. You ought to change your bulk references into individual inline citations. Please read Referencing for beginners for instructions. Be sure that your prose complies with the neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Kogniticsindia. I am afraid that you and your client have fallen victim to the widespread mistaken belief that Wikipedia is in any way a vehicle for promotion or publicity. It is not, and writing an article for the benefit of its subject is a misuse of Wikipedia. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . --ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Citing YouTube videos
Where to find guidelines about citing YouTube videos as sources? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 05:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Harshrathod50, you might be looking for WP:YOUTUBE or WP:VIDEOLINK? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 05:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- My question was in context with "Cyber Hunter". There is a badly written section: In Popular Culture in this article based just on a single YouTube video as a source. How can a single video-games streamer talking about this game make it popular in culture? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 05:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Harshrathod50. You make a good point so I've gone ahead a removed that section as being WP:UNDUE. Perhaps that was a bit extreme and someone will re-add, but it would seem that such a section should not really be about one particular YouTuber, but perhaps about other ways in which the game has permeated popular culture supported by citations to reliable sources. That particular section was just added the other day by a new account who probably meant well, but might not be too familiar with Wikipedia various policies and guidelines. Perhaps you should try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games for feedback if you want to somehow try and reincorporate that section back into the article. The members of that WikiProject might be able to suggest a good way to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Marchjuly, I needed a legit argument to remove that section so the editor who added it won't feel salty. Your argument fits well. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 10:19, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Harshrathod50. You make a good point so I've gone ahead a removed that section as being WP:UNDUE. Perhaps that was a bit extreme and someone will re-add, but it would seem that such a section should not really be about one particular YouTuber, but perhaps about other ways in which the game has permeated popular culture supported by citations to reliable sources. That particular section was just added the other day by a new account who probably meant well, but might not be too familiar with Wikipedia various policies and guidelines. Perhaps you should try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games for feedback if you want to somehow try and reincorporate that section back into the article. The members of that WikiProject might be able to suggest a good way to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- My question was in context with "Cyber Hunter". There is a badly written section: In Popular Culture in this article based just on a single YouTube video as a source. How can a single video-games streamer talking about this game make it popular in culture? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 05:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Editing question
Can you edit a article even if it not needed? There's a tag explaining the problems with a article and says that it needs to edited. What is it is not there? Can you still edit it? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 06:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
There's a tag saying that an article needs editing. What if it not there? Can you still edit it? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 06:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Anonymous Cuber. Wikipedia has over six million articles and pretty much all of them can be improved in some way as explained in WP:IMPERFECT; so, if you come across an article that you think you can improve, then feel free to be WP:BOLD and do so. However, please try to keep in mind that Wikipedia defines an improvement as an edit that is in accordance with some relevant policy or guideline. Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines and there's not always complete agreement among editors on what an "improvement" might be; so, if you're BOLD and you notice later on that another editor has WP:REVERTed (either completely or partially) the changes you made, then the best thing to do most of the time is to follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and discuss things on the article's talk page. It might turn out that you were right to make the change, but there's also a chance that you weren't. By discussing things, you can work out what is what and figure out whether there's a WP:CONSENSUS either. If, on the other hand, the changes you want to make are pretty major ones, then it might be better to be WP:CAUTIOUS instead and propose them first on the article's talk page. It can sometimes be a good a deal to get input from others particularly if the change is one that has a good chance of being challenged by others. As for your other question, those "tags" are called "maintenance templates" and they are added by editors to articles when someone thinks the article has problems that need attention. However, as I stated above, pretty much all articles can be improved in some way; so, you can pretty much edit any article, ones without maintenance templates, if you think you can improve it in some way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
sources
What is an acceptable source? Can you give some examples? ElkeRijkx84 (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi ElkeRijkx84. You can find out more about this in Wikipedia:Reliable sources and see some examples in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, but generally a source which is considered to have an established reputation of editorial control is the kind of source that Wikipedia tends to prefer. So, major newspapers or other publications, book printed by established publishers, online content provided by established media organizations or other organization recognized as being reliable, etc. or often the kind of sources you'll find cited in Wikipedia articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Confusing redirection
Want to create an article on a noted musician. But when I do "en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/", it redirects me to an article of a band, in which the musician is a member. Suggest me how can I solve this ?and how I can create a separate article on the musician?
Thanks. NinadMysuru (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @NinadMysuru: Looks like the person's entry has been redirected to the bands page. This is usally done on two occasions, 1) if no one has written an article yet as a temporary measure or 2) if the musican fails WP:NMUSIC but the band does not. In the first case, you can certainly create an article there, while in the second case, things are more complicated. Do you have a particular musican in mind? Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi NinadMysuru. Without knowing more specific details it’s hard to give you a specific answer, but often in cases like this when a band member is WP:REDIRECTed to an article about a band it’s because the member is not considered Wikipedia notable in their own right to justify that a stand-alone article be written about them. In some cases an article about the member might’ve have once existed, but it was deleted or redirected by a WP:CONSENSUS of the Wikipedia community. If you can provide the name of the redirected page, one of the Teahouse hosts might be able to figure out what happened and why, and thus be better able to answer your question. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- The best way is to create a new article is through the WP:AfC process. If the musician is now independently notable so an article is justified, the current re-direct on the musician will be changed so that the new article is the target for the name. For the moment, you don't really need to worry about it. Compare The Beatles and Paul McCartney Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks all of you for replying. @Marchjuly: @Victor Schmidt:, the band page is Swarathma and the musician is Vasu Dixit. He is greatly notable as an independent artist with his compositions, songs and lyrics and his theatrical experiments. I request, to suggest me a way to get a separate article. Thanks a lot.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NinadMysuru (talk • contribs)
- @NinadMysuru: You got lucky here. As evident from the page history or Vasu Dixit, it started as a redirect in 2018 and has not been changed since. So you can simply folow WP:YFA and prepear a draft to submit to WP:AfC. The folks there will then take care of the redirect once the draft is finished. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Victor Schmidt: sir, thanks for your time. I have created nearly 25 articles in mainspace directly, and 23 of them were reviewed and got published. Should I again go to WP:AfC? Is there no other way than that ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by NinadMysuru (talk • contribs)
- @NinadMysuru: Certainly. You can always Edit Vasu Dixit and replace the redirect code with something else (hopefully your article). This approach is only siutable if you manage to write a sufficently startup article on the first few minutes. I have seen many more experienced editors that prepear articles as a userspace draft and later move the article to its final title. You can get the redirect out of the way by tagging the redirect with
{{db-move|Your drafts full title}}
. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)- @Victor Schmidt:, thanks a lot sir. Will come to you again if I get stranded anywhere. Thanks sir.
- @NinadMysuru: Certainly. You can always Edit Vasu Dixit and replace the redirect code with something else (hopefully your article). This approach is only siutable if you manage to write a sufficently startup article on the first few minutes. I have seen many more experienced editors that prepear articles as a userspace draft and later move the article to its final title. You can get the redirect out of the way by tagging the redirect with
- @Victor Schmidt: sir, thanks for your time. I have created nearly 25 articles in mainspace directly, and 23 of them were reviewed and got published. Should I again go to WP:AfC? Is there no other way than that ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by NinadMysuru (talk • contribs)
- @NinadMysuru: You got lucky here. As evident from the page history or Vasu Dixit, it started as a redirect in 2018 and has not been changed since. So you can simply folow WP:YFA and prepear a draft to submit to WP:AfC. The folks there will then take care of the redirect once the draft is finished. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks all of you for replying. @Marchjuly: @Victor Schmidt:, the band page is Swarathma and the musician is Vasu Dixit. He is greatly notable as an independent artist with his compositions, songs and lyrics and his theatrical experiments. I request, to suggest me a way to get a separate article. Thanks a lot.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NinadMysuru (talk • contribs)
- The best way is to create a new article is through the WP:AfC process. If the musician is now independently notable so an article is justified, the current re-direct on the musician will be changed so that the new article is the target for the name. For the moment, you don't really need to worry about it. Compare The Beatles and Paul McCartney Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
SATURN
2600:1700:82F0:86A0:F079:9D56:10C3:29DF (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello 2600:1700:82F0:86A0:F079:9D56:10C3:29DF and Welcoem to the Teahouse. The folks over here answer questions about using or editing Wikipedia. If you want to find out more about something called "Saturn", perhaps look into our disambiguation page for things called "SATURN" here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia.org
Is www.wikipedia.org fake? I am really suspicious because this might be a scam Anonymous Cuber (talk) 13:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Anonymous Cuber: Nope, its the central homepage for all Wikipedia languages. Attempting to access any wiki-like-subpage (e.g. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example end up on the english Wikipedia though, no matter who requests them. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Oh ok Thank you so much - Anonymous Cuber}
Nicole Kim Donesa Undid revision 995499159 by Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) reverted birthdate
The editor keeps removing the birthdate of Nicole Donesa Hosumyng123 (talk) 14:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse. As the editor stated in their edit summary, Wikipedia's policy for living people is not to reveal personal information such as birth dates, see WP:DOB unless the person is actually notable for having a particular birth date. Articles include at most, usually, a statement only about the month and year of birth if they have any information at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hosumyng123, To simplify Mike's words, if you don't have a good source that can justify the claims of the birthdate, it can be added. No source, no words. GeraldWL 14:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Someone who can help this page is being disrupted by other editors, I have cited the WP:RS https://www.gmanetwork.com/entertainment/celebritylife/relationship/64010/mark-herras-posts-heartfelt-video-greeting-for-nicole-donesas-26th-birthday/story : the other editors keep removing the birth date
- I can't vouch for the reliability of your source but it need to be added to the article so as to back up the birth date. Don't engage in an edit war. If other editors keep reverting you after you have added the source, engage with them on the article's Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Someone who can help this page is being disrupted by other editors, I have cited the WP:RS https://www.gmanetwork.com/entertainment/celebritylife/relationship/64010/mark-herras-posts-heartfelt-video-greeting-for-nicole-donesas-26th-birthday/story : the other editors keep removing the birth date
- Hosumyng123, To simplify Mike's words, if you don't have a good source that can justify the claims of the birthdate, it can be added. No source, no words. GeraldWL 14:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
closing reference tag error removed but remains on the page
I changed a reference on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biz_Markie Biz Markie's page to make it backed up, but when I did so it created a reference error that says there was no closing tag. I checked it several times, but there was no error and I ran the error checked. I moved the reference to a higher up part of the article as it was important to note that Biz Markie’s condition is unknown. The reference works fine, but the error tag seems remain even after I deleted the reference that was lower on the page, and moved it to the higher part of the page. This is a real mystery. Ty78ejui (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC) Ty78ejui (talk) 14:35, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Ty78ejui: Fixed it myself here. You had an extra ref tag that was confusing the parser. --Jayron32 14:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
That is strange because I had removed the lower reference after it had that error and moved it to the top. So there should not have been any red error since there was no reference there anymore. However, the article is working great now. I added a new health up to the top and it all works perfectly. I wonder if the issue has to do with me editing from the section instead of from the main page, but I tried it both ways just to be sure and still that did not change anything. Ty78ejui (talk) 15:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Ty78ejui: In [1] you duplicated the start of a reference, adding an extra
<ref>
without a matching</ref>
. The ref tags were fixed later but not the content of the reference. I have done that now.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Oddly I had removed that entire reference after checking it many times and confirming the closing tags many times. The same reference is used twice once near the top and backed up and once near the bottom, but not backed up. I think it looks fine the way it is, but someone may wish to remove the same reference used twice which is not really an issue as far as I am concerned, as the same reference can be cited twice on the page. Since we don't know much about Biz's condition right now. I looked for more references but there are no more I can find. Ty78ejui (talk) 20:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Is this a reliable source?
Is a page from another language of Wikipedia (I want to take it from the Italian Wikipedia) considered a reliable source? Like, not just the sources in it but the page itself? Vamsi20 (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes it is, sources from different languages can be considered as reliable sources. If you need more information you can go through this.SenatorLEVI (talk) 15:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Vamsi20: To clarify SenatorLEVI's response, you shouldn't use one Wikipedia article as a source for another Wikipedia article. Citing the Italian Wikipedia directly isn't okay, as we only rely on reliable secondary sources. However those sources don't necessarily have to be in English. If you're translating directly from the Italian article, you may use the same citations as the Italian article. If you can find sources in English, though, that may be preferable because it's easier for readers to verify. You can reply here if you have any further questions. Best, Qtaa (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
So I can use the citations in the Italian Wikipedia? Vamsi20 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Vamsi20: you can, but it's worth noting that we may have different rules on proving page notability, which are probably a bit more strict. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Weasel words
On the Page "Dravidian Languages", the very beginning sentence states "more than 215 million people" speak the language, which is a weasel phrase. After some searching, I found the exact number to be 222 million, so I typed this in. However, Wikipedia changed my edit back because it didn't fit "verifiability rules". Can someone explain what was wrong?
Calicopenguin1112 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC) Calicopenguin1112 (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Calicopenguin1112. As the editor who reverted your entry said in their edit summary, the source currently quoted (Encyclopaedia Britannica) uses exactly those "weasel" words. If you want to change this to 222 million, you need simultaneously to add your new reliable source for that number. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Where to go?
How can I create my own Wikipedia Page? 82.23.96.73 (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, anonymous user. It depends exactly what you mean by "my own Wikipedia page", but the probable answer is "you can't". Wikipedia isn't like social media: it's an encyclopaedia, that contains neutrally written articles about notable subjects. If there has been substantial writing about you in reliable sources, by people completely unconnected with you, then we could have an article about you: you are stongly discouraged from writing it yourself, and when it is written, it will not belong to you, you will not control its contents, and it may say things that you don't want to to say about you, depending on what has been published about you elsewhere. --ColinFine (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
World passport
(added section break) Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi i want to apply for world passport, please can you give some information about it Mohammad Shaheer Amini (talk) 16:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- A World Passport is a fantasy document, so I'm afraid you can't apply for one, or at least, not here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Mohammad Shaheer Amini, the price of a three-year World Passport is USD55. $75 for five years, and $100 for ten years. A "World Donor Passport" valid for fifteen years with a special cover is issued gratis to donors of at least $400 which, according to the WSA, is used to provide free documents to refugees and stateless persons. Note that WP is rejected in Russia, US, Iraq, China, India, European Union, Costa Rica, Panama, and South Africa. So if you applied for a WP, chances are the only country you can go to is the Republic of WP itself. GeraldWL 15:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
One to one help to improve my work?
Hi all! I've created a page that has a lot of information on it. I've formatted it in a way that I thought worked, given the vast amount of data. However, I wondered if someone more experienced than I am (this is not hard, to be honest!) would mind taking a look at the page and having a quick 1-to-1 type conversation with me about where I could use a little more "finesse" in my style? I understand about referencing and things coming from an academic background, but there is a lot of year-based data in a page I made, and I suspect there might be a better way to handle it. However, I don't know - maybe there isn't! The page has been submitted and improved upon here and there over time, but is still in the queue (should I write the name here? Draft:Spidi?). If anyone can help me, I would really appreciate the feedback! Thanks! =) Anfornum (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Anfornum. After a quick look, I think that the main problem with the article isn't the lists but the fact that all but one of the references is from Spidi itself, so are primary sources that won't help establish notability for the company. Given how many bikers they seem to have sponsored, I should have thought you could find some secondary reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply and I am prooobably going to make an error in the formatting in my reply here (first-timer syndrome)! I appreciate the feedback about the sources and I fully agree with you. I am sure I can do better with finding outside sources. I will take a look around and try to find more information (I'm sure there's more out there). How is the formatting, though? Is it appropriate for the content (for example, are the tables alright in terms of formatting)? Thanks! Anfornum (talk) 16:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict, sorry if anything is repeated) Hello @Anfornum: and welcome to the teahouse! As per Michael, a quick look over the references sees that refs 1-3 and 5-6 are produced by the company Spidi itself. Since these are produced by the subject of the article they are considered primary sources. For me as an AFC reviewer to accept the article, you need to demonstrate that it meets the notability guidelines at WP:GNG or WP:NCORP through the use of multiple reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. I'd see if you can find more sources and won't decline the draft just yet.
- Some sections, in particular the tables, will need a lot more references. Of the tables, only two rows have been given a reference, one of which is from the company itself.
- The actual prose is written mostly in compliance with WP:NPOV, though it could do with a quick cleanup to remove links such as the one to your sandbox in the technology and products section and lines such as the opening in the same section which are slightly advert-like and could cause the submission to be declined.
- In summary, the content of the article is good but it needs more reliable, secondary references before it can be accepted. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 16:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback! I am working on inmproving the sources right now. The main problem is that 99% of the information out there is on pages selling the products, which I don't consider reliable at all. I'm scouring reliable sources, though! Thank you both very much! =) Anfornum (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that this is what happens when you build a house without checking whether it has any foundations, Anfornum. Writing an article starts with finding reliable independent sources. Any other approach will probably end up wasting work, and sometimes wasting all your work, if it turns out that there aren't sufficient independent sources to establish notability. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Draft:Spidi, Declined today, reasons given, and Anfornum has been asked on Talk page to clarify if in any way paid for this attempt to create an article. David notMD (talk) 18:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm just a fan, actually, which is why most of the links are from the actual company thus far. Thanks for letting me know. I'll continue to work on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anfornum (talk • contribs) 19:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Are these reliable sources?
Hello, I submitted an article but it was declined due to lack of significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. I read Wikipedia's guidelines on "Notability (organizations and companies)" and I have some doubts regarding sources notability: - Is Financial Times a notable source? And does it change its notability if I mention a Financial Times annual list when talking in the article about information provided in that list? I'm confused if an "annual list" reduces a source notability - If the organization has won some important awards in the industry, what is more "notable"? Mentioning as source some national/international press making coverage about it, or mentioning as source the award webpage? I have troubles here identifying what would be more "independent"
Thanks in advance to all of you! Svmn (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Adsmurai — Yours, Berrely (🎅 Ho ho ho! 🎄) • Talk∕Contribs 17:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Svmn, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are three independent parts to a source being suitable for establishing notability: reliability, independence, and significant coverage. The FT is normally a reliable source; an item in the FT may or may not be independent of the subject (is it a review, an independent article, or a regurgitation of a press release?). But while appearance in a list may be adequate to source a claim that the subject has whatever property that list celebrates, it is not usually significant coverage, and so does not contribute to notabality. --ColinFine (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
how can i change my own username?
Hello, could you help me learn how to change my own username? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick901 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Patrick901: You can make a request at WP:CHUN However, since you have only a few edits, it is probably simpler to just abandon this account and create a new one. RudolfRed (talk) 19:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed
- @Patrick901: I have figured out exactly how to do it.P.S (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Because you are so new, and have not yet made any edits in the main article space, I think it's a waste of yours and another administrator's time for you to request a name change. I simply suggest you create a brand new user account, forget this one's password and never use it again. If you wished, you could make a link between the two to show the connection. The key advice is:
- Users who have made very few edits are encouraged to register a new account and discard the old one. You can even copy your old watchlist to your new account.
- Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC).
- Because you are so new, and have not yet made any edits in the main article space, I think it's a waste of yours and another administrator's time for you to request a name change. I simply suggest you create a brand new user account, forget this one's password and never use it again. If you wished, you could make a link between the two to show the connection. The key advice is:
- @Patrick901: I have figured out exactly how to do it.P.S (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Links and references in foreign language
Hello fellow wikipedians just a quick question as i have not find an answer: what is the policy for referencing sources in different languages? is it acceptable or shall we only ref to english content? thanks Victrue (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Victrue: Non-English Links and sources are permitted, but english sources are generally prefered. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- If the same information is in an English source and a non-English source, use the English one. But if there is information only in foreign language sources, then it is completely fine to use them, as long as they are reliable sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- To add to this, one should add the 'language' parameter to the citation if it's not in English. For example, adding '|language=Spanish' or '|language=es' if the source is in Spanish. If you're bilingual or can otherwise provide an accurate translation, a translated title can be a good idea as well. So for example, if the title of your source is 'Ejemplo', it might be preferable to add '|trans-title=Example'. This makes it so readers and editors who don't speak that language can at least understand what the source's title is conveying. Citations also have an option for a translated quote 'trans-quote', though it could bloat the citation if the quote is too long, so this might only be preferable if the quote is fairly short, e.g. a short sentence. I listed these parameters in decreasing order of importance from my experience. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- If the same information is in an English source and a non-English source, use the English one. But if there is information only in foreign language sources, then it is completely fine to use them, as long as they are reliable sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Text at WP:NOENG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Presumably a new topic
Md Nahid Islam96 (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Md Nahid Islam96, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
How can I see who added a particular citation?
Greetings, how can I find which user added a particular citation? I am looking for the user who added reference 36 on this article (the weebly citation) I tried clicking View History but there is too much to go through. Regards Stapmoshun (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Stapmoshun: I haven't tried it, but I understand that WP:WIKIBLAME is a tool that can be used for this purpose. RudolfRed (talk) 22:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I gave it a try. According to the tool, this is the edit that added that reference: [3] RudolfRed (talk) 22:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Stapmoshun: Yes, it was added back in February 2015, but I am surprised it has lasted so long. It seems like a homemade photo blog, so I would have been happy for it to have been removed and a 'citation needed' template added instead. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Stapmoshun: Maybe you should remove it, because it is still there. Just saying. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Stapmoshun: Yes, it was added back in February 2015, but I am surprised it has lasted so long. It seems like a homemade photo blog, so I would have been happy for it to have been removed and a 'citation needed' template added instead. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I gave it a try. According to the tool, this is the edit that added that reference: [3] RudolfRed (talk) 22:55, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Sandbox clearing
Sandbox clearing
Hello. I have a question regarding my sandbox. Will what I write in my sandbox forever remain in my sandbox if I want it to? Or does my sandbox get cleared after 6 months if it has not been edited? Or does it get cleared at any instance at all? Just curious. Because you know, drafts get deleted after 6 months of inactivity, so I did not know about sandboxes. Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Paul Vaurie, I think technically if someone came across a draft in your personal sandbox that hadn't been edited for years, they'd be within their rights to nominate it for deletion, so I can't guarantee it'd stay forever, but in practice, I think material in your personal sandbox will get left alone. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul Vaurie: It depends on what is in your sandbox. It would not qualify for WP:G13 which is for stale drafts, but see WP:UPNOT for what is not allowed in your userspace files. RudolfRed (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Sdkb: My take on sandbox deletion is not that the page itself can be deleted if it hasn't been edited for years, but that it may potentially be deleted if the editor themself has been inactive for many years. But I also agree that normally we would leave sandbox pages alone unless they breached some of our other policies (such as copyright violation, WP:BLP violation, attack pages, WP:NOTHERE-related content. If you don't want content to be viewable via the 'View History' tab, then simply deleting it yourself will not suffice. Instead, just place a user requests for deletion on it, and an admin will drop by and delete it for you. (You can always recreate it later, if you wish). See here for the template you need to add. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I have content (notes, etc.) that has been in my Sandbox for many years. I do periodic houseclearing. David notMD (talk) 04:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Sdkb: My take on sandbox deletion is not that the page itself can be deleted if it hasn't been edited for years, but that it may potentially be deleted if the editor themself has been inactive for many years. But I also agree that normally we would leave sandbox pages alone unless they breached some of our other policies (such as copyright violation, WP:BLP violation, attack pages, WP:NOTHERE-related content. If you don't want content to be viewable via the 'View History' tab, then simply deleting it yourself will not suffice. Instead, just place a user requests for deletion on it, and an admin will drop by and delete it for you. (You can always recreate it later, if you wish). See here for the template you need to add. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Mark Zuckerberg
IS MARK ZUKERBERG THE GRANSON OF ROCKERFELLA 2600:1002:B105:9A9A:643A:CD7C:6D3E:6152 (talk) 01:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking questions that are not about editing or using Wikipedia, you are going to want to ask at the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 01:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Renaming pages?
If I make a page and later want to change its name, how would I do that? Vista Valkyrie (talk) 03:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Vista Valkyrie: Welcome to the Teahouse. On wikis, renames are done by moving pages to new titles. In general, users who are autoconfirmed (account at least 4 days old with at least 10 edits) can move pages. If you are having trouble moving pages, you can ask for assistance at Requested moves. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 04:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
question
So I have had a page written about an author rejected 3 times, and I just want to talk to the person doing the rejection and ask what he wants. He just keeps saying that there is no notability, but there seems to me that there is. Maybe it is not presented properly, but I am not sure how they want that done. His view of the author is different than mine and I am trying to be fair. Pieeternal257 (talk) 06:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Pieeternal257. It seems like you're asking about Draft:Timothy Freke. If you look at the top of the draft you'll be able see the reviewers who declined it. So, if you want to discuss their reasons for declining the draft, then you can (1) post a message on their user talk page or (2) start a discussion at Draft:Timothy Freke and then WP:PING them to it. If you would like input from other AfC reviewers, you can ask for help at WP:AFCHELP. FWIW, the editor who declined the draft is named Robert McClenon. Robert is quite an experienced AfC reviewer so I don't think he's trying to make your life difficult for fun. Wikipedia notability can be a hard concept to get a good feel for when you're a fairly new editor who seems to be entirely focused on creating one specific article. I'm not seeing how the person you're trying to write about meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) because I'm not seeing what would be significant coverage about Freke in reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia here). -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Pieeternal257. You have received very detailed feedback about the many problems with your draft, and an article about this person has previously been deleted at WP:AFD. Any attempts to try to recreate an article about this person without dramatically better sourcing may be perceived as disruptive, and may lead to a block from editing. Why not work on other topics? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- User:Pieeternal257 - My main concern is that there was previously an article on Freke, and it was deleted in 2015 after a deletion discussion, and the reason why it was deleted is that he was found not to meet author notability. I haven't formed an opinion as to whether Freke is notable, and in this case I do not think that I am responsible for deciding his notability. That was already decided in 2015, that he is not notable. So I do not plan to accept a draft on Freke unless it is different than or better than the article that was deleted in 2015. So when I declined the draft on 1 December, I said to tell me, on the draft talk page, or in AFC comments, how Freke has become notable in the past five years. I also said not to make minor changes and resubmit the draft without discussion, because submitters often make minor changes and resubmit a draft without discussing it, but that wastes their time and that of the reviewers. So you made a minor change, adding a mention of a YouTube presentation by Freke in 2019, and resubmitted without discussion. That wastes your time and mine, and I had already said that I wanted an explanation of why this draft was better than the version that had been deleted. So now I have two questions. First, do you have a conflict of interest, or are you a fan of the author? Second, what part of the previous declines wasn't clear? Robert McClenon (talk) 07:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Pieeternal257. You have received very detailed feedback about the many problems with your draft, and an article about this person has previously been deleted at WP:AFD. Any attempts to try to recreate an article about this person without dramatically better sourcing may be perceived as disruptive, and may lead to a block from editing. Why not work on other topics? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Continuous Vandalism
The Hindi voice dubbing (cast) section of article Tsurupika Hagemaru is being continuously being vandalising with name of people who are not voice artists but actors and that too with contents without citations and that too by all types of users such as IP address users, auto confirmed users, even extended confirmed users, what to do then. Adishere (talk) 06:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Adishere, do you consider a cast list as vandalism?SenatorLEVI (talk) 06:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Adishere, you may want to read WP:CASTLIST. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 06:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- A cast list was added by an IP editor in July. Adishere removed it in October with an edit comment "Removed vandalism." That edit was reverted by Cluebot. Adishere again removed the cast list. I restored it in December because I did not see a reason why a cast list was not valid content. Adishere again removed the cast list, with edit comment "Stop Vandalising the page again and again". I do not intend to restore the disputed cast list, but I suggest that Adishere start a discussion on the Talk page, explaining why the disputed cast list is not valid. David notMD (talk) 07:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Adishere, I think you should read vandalism. Adding the cast list for a dubbed version of a series may not be encyclopaedic (I think it probably is not, especially unreferenced), but it doesn't appear to be "intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose" and therefore not vandalism. Rather than edit warring, you should be discussing the question on the article's talk page. Meantime, you would do well to remove some of the non-neutral language like "rapidly became a hit" and "became a big hit". --ColinFine (talk) 12:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Question from Anonymous Cuber
Is there any way to find articles that have maintenance templates instead of searching of every individual page on Wikipedia? Anonymous Cuber (talk) 06:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Anonymous Cuber, yes, maintenance templates normally place articles into hidden tracking categories of all articles with that tag. Go to the template page of the tag you are interested in, e.g. Template:Globalize, and look for the tracking category, e.g. Category:Articles with limited geographic scope. You can also find links to a bunch of maintenance categories at the WP:Task Center, which might be a little friendlier. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Anonymous Cuber: If you enable "Show hidden categories" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering then you can also see the maintenance categories on the articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Using prize certificates as sources
Good day,hope you are well. I just wanted to find out if using prize certificates for competitions (some of which went defunct) would be acceptable as a source as the subject unfortunately has little internet coverage and the only verifiable sources are certificates they received from winning respective competitions. BBSP1720 (talk) 06:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- BBSP1720, it's hard to give you a firm answer without knowing the specific context. Generally, awards are not considered sufficient to demonstrate notability, so if all a subject has is awards, they probably cannot have a page on Wikipedia. On the other hand, if a subject is notable and there is a list of their awards, a reference to the award organization's website would be sufficient to support that (assuming the award is significant enough to warrant a mention on the page). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Is it possible to use actual competition prize certificates as sources seeing that the subject doesn't have widespread internet coverage? How would one go about citing them as such without violating Wikipedia rules? BBSP1720 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @BBSP1720: I've merged this to your question above, which I hopefully mostly answered. If the prize certificate is offline, you could still cite it per WP:Offline. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello BBSP1720. Simply winning a prize is not sufficient evidence of notability. Anybody can award a prize for anything. Is the prize itself notable? What makes a person notable is the coverage of the person in reliable independent sources. People who win a Pulitzer or a Nobel or an Oscar or a Presidential Medal of Freedom will always have such coverage after winning, and usually before. Minor awards? Not so much. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I would just like to add that citing a "actual prize certificate" would be like citing any other type of WP:PRIMARY source in that it would be highly limited as to how it could be used; moreover, uploading a copy/scan of the certificate to Commons or Wikipedia and trying to cite that would potentially be a problem per WP:COPY. It would simply be better to try and find WP:SECONDARY source which refers to the receiving of some prize or award and cite that. If it's not something covered in reliable secondary sources, then it's probably something not really worthy of being mentioned in a Wikipedia article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Is it possible to use actual competition prize certificates as sources seeing that the subject doesn't have widespread internet coverage? How would one go about citing them as such without violating Wikipedia rules? BBSP1720 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Referencing
How do I cite the same reference in multiple statements? For example if I've written two statements, instead of referencing the same source how can I re-direct them to the same reference?SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi SenatorLEVI. There are couple of ways to do such a thing, but probably the most common and easiest is WP:REFNAME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you.SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @SenatorLEVI: Here's an expanded demo of what Marchjuly helpfully suggested:
- To reuse a reference you give the reference a short, memorable and unique name, then on subsequent uses you 'call it up' by that name, without having to reenter all the details again. See WP:REFNAME for a full explanation. You can then use the
{{rp}}
template to add specific page numbers immediately afterwards, like this: First fact found on page 29 of a book.[1]: 29 Second fact found on page 114 from the same book.[1]: 114 And so on... Hope you find this helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you.SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
References
- Thank you Nick Moyes. This is helpful, it clears up some of my confusions.SenatorLEVI (talk) 11:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Question from User:Gigstage
How can i create an article? Gigstage (talk) 08:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC) Can someone give me a step by step procedure?
- Hello Gigstage, refer to WP:YFA. SenatorLEVI (talk) 08:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @SenatorLEVI: You might want to put a space before the four tildes when signing your posts so the signature does not appear to be part of the sentence it follows. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ok sure, thanks. SenatorLEVI (talk) 11:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @SenatorLEVI: You might want to put a space before the four tildes when signing your posts so the signature does not appear to be part of the sentence it follows. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Edit request - Answer not given
Hi, I was reading the article about the Rubik's Cube, and in the mechanics section it says that this section needs further verification. So, like anyone, I wanted to edit it to fix the issue. But I couldn't because that page was protected. So, I had submitted an edit request over a hour ago and I still did not get any reply. Do this mean that they edit the article or is it normal that the reply comes late? Sorry if this a silly question. Anonymous Cuber (talk) 09:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Anonymous Cuber: welcome back. A couple of hours is no time at all. Keep in mind that Wikipedia editors are located in all time zones and are volunteers just like you. When you add an edit request template to the talk page, the talk page is listed in Category:Wikipedia semi-protected edit requests, and as you can see there are 40 such requests waiting, most of them from the last week but a few going back a few weeks. When somebody gets to your edit request, the template on the talk page will be updated to show it's been responded to (and there will be an actual response as well!) Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
User Page
Dear all, I am a new person here. I see my name in red https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tea_Mariamidze and when I point to it, it says such a user does not exist. Did I do something wrong? Is User Page a different thing? Or you get your user page only when you write your own article? Tea Mariamidze (talk) 09:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello @Tea Mariamidze:, and welcome to the Teahouse! That page is your user page - see Wikipedia:User pages. You can click 'Start the User:Tea Mariamidze page', write a bit about yourself and publish the page. Once you've done that, your name will change from red to blue, linking to your user page like mine. Of course, such a page is not compulsory to create and you're welcome to leave it as it is. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Tea Mariamidze. I hope you will enjoy adding to the articles in Wikipedia. Note that now you have created your user page, it is not really supposed to be about you and your background but more about what you intend to contribute to the encyclopaedia. See WP:USER Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Stephen Church - Dodgy Editing
I originally created the page on Professor Stephen Church, a leading expert on King John back in 2018. Other editors have contributed and made changes which I have no issue with.
However on the 21st an editor has made a large raft of changes under the comment "Correct errors of fact". A lot of these changes have removed a chunk of his page (which were cited), removed his professional letters, his fellowship of a Royal Society and left only two references, one of which is his employer and therefore a primary source (it was used before but with secondary sources to back up).
Am I right to go back and remove all of the editors amendments, which have actually made the page worse in my opinion and does now not show notability?
Thanks Davidstewartharvey (talk) 09:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello @Davidstewartharvey:, and welcome to the teahouse! It looks like Theroadislong has already reverted the changes, since they constitute unexplained removal of content. Next time, feel free to revert them yourself but be careful not to violate WP:3RR or get into a WP:EDIT WAR. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 09:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Davidstewartharvey: Try to remember that one person’s dodgy is another person’s improvement. Sometimes with articles like this you get someone who’s connected to the subject matter trying to “set the facts straight” or “update” the article based upon what they know to be true. Often these people mean no harm, but rather just don’t understand what Wikipedia is about. The account that made those changes has that kind of feel to it. Was there anything worth preserving in the changes they made? If there was, then perhaps reaching out to them and explaining things about Wikipedia they might not know might encourage them to learn out to edit and be WP:HERE. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Many ThanksDavidstewartharvey (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Question from Sitaramradheshyam
Please help me get my first article published 🙏 Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 12:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, Sitaramradheshyam, are you asking about Draft:ISKCON Nepal? —teb728 t c 12:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Draft:ISKCON Nepal, which has been declined three times. David notMD (talk) 12:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Sitaramradheshyam, you need to listen to the feedback you have been given. Begging is very annoying, as it indicates you refuse to take advice. If your job depends on getting your facility into Wikipedia, it is not our problem.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Question
How do I get other Users to work on my article draft? I can't find any citations, and I also need a pic. I can't find these myself, as my browser is blocked. Rosefeather of WindClan (talk) 14:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Rosefeather of WindClan, is this about User:Rosefeather of WindClan/Sandbox? Maproom (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Welcome to the Teahouse, Rosefeather of WindClan. If this is about the Disney character in User:Rosefeather of WindClan/Sandbox, without citations you probably aren't likely to get far to demonstrate Notability, but finding a relevant WP:WIKIPROJECT is often a good starting point to engage like-minded editors. Often, for characters in programmes it is more appropriate to add content to the main article, and create a REDIRECT from the character's name. Disney images are likely to be copyright, and I'm unsure whether we'd permit a non-free image to be uploaded and used in such circumstances. Either way, having an image is not relevant to any success in having a page accepted on the grounds of notability. That should be a later step. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@Maproom: Yes, it is. As I am unable to find citations, how can I turn it into a draft that's not in my sandbox, so that other Users know that they can edit it? Rosefeather of WindClan (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Rosefeather of WindClan, Theroadislong has moved it to Draft:Queen Iduna (Frozen) for you. Maproom (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Rosefeather of WindClan, and welcome to the Teahouse. Anybody can edit your sandbox: it's just that people usually won't unless you invite them to. Alternatively, you can move it to Draft:Queen Iduna or something similar. People still probably won't edit it there unless you invite them to, but they might do. Note that writing an article without first finding citations is like building a house without checking whether it has foundations: much of your work is probably going to be wasted if you find that the sources talk about different things from the ones you have written about; and possibly all of it will be wasted. Have you read your first article? --ColinFine (talk) 15:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
So very new to this world. Please I really need guidance to get to my assets before Christmas. Please advise.
2601:2C1:C280:E120:C860:8D0E:CBF:A4F4 (talk) 15:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. I'm not sure what you mean by "get to your assets", but I'm guessing that it is nothing to do with Wikipedia. I'm sorry, but you've come to the wrong place - this is for help in editing Wikipedia, nothing more. I guess that you need to contact your bank (or whoever it is that looks after your assets). Have a good Christmas. --ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Just get to it quickly. Time will pass by, and by Christmas, you'll have the viby moments all by yourself. Merry Christmas mate. GeraldWL 15:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
College Applications
This might not be the right place to ask, now that I think about it. But can your contributions to Wikipedia, say number of edits be used in your college applications? Is it something worth mentioning? SenatorLEVI (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- SenatorLEVI, you can try. But maybe don't make it a major reason in the app. Having it as an addition can help, but keep in mind your edits have to be good edits, that way you're not blindly saying Look, professor! I am bad at Wikipedia, I can probably be good at college. GeraldWL 15:48, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Of course, that won't be a major point in my application. I was just wondering if spending time editing on Wikipedia could be used to credit myself elsewhere.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- (ec) :I'm not sure how much value "Wikipedia editor" has to colleges looking for prospective students, since anyone can be one- and Wikipedia is not for publishing original research like an academic paper that might actually be of value to colleges. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot, well, being a professional Wikipedia editor can hint signs of, say, writing integrity and research integrity. It can also hint perseverance, like how an editor might guide an article from its stubby times to a grand featured article.. At least that's IMO. GeraldWL
- "Professional Wikipedia editor" in what sense? People who charge money for editing Wikipedia often display a stunning lack of integrity. --bonadea contributions talk 23:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- College application departments may not be as aware of Wikipedia as you might think. If, perhaps, you have raised a number of articles to Good Article (or Featured Article) status, that might be meaningful, but only if department staff understand that this means a peer review process. Keep in mind that application reviewers may use Wikipedia but have no or only limited idea as to how content is created. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- During an admission-interview I could probably explain in-brief how editing Wikipedia works, and then list out my contributions. Then it would probably be worthwhile to include Wikipedia contributions into my application in the future. SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @SenatorLEVI: I tend to agree with Gerald Waldo Luis, and feel that being able to highlight any genuine form of hobby, interest, volunteering, paid weekend work, awards or other skills or achievements helps to demonstrate that someone does more in society than just achieve exam grades. So, go for it! But make sure you get the balance right when 'selling yourself'. If you're still here in a year's time and want to point to your achievements, that'd be cool. But today, with just 36 mainspace edits to your name, simply saying something like "I recently started editing Wikipedia and am enjoying the experience of learning how to collaborate on editing with other people" wouldn't go amiss. But always be prepared for someone to pick up on interests you've mentioned, and have a good answer ready to reply with. In particular, you might be challenged about whether or not Wikipedia should be used by college or university students in their studies. What answer would you give? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello @Nick Moyes:, based on what editors have said I think I will definitely include this in my application when the time comes. 36 main-space edits isn't much but I still have around 2 years before I head to college; and I enjoy editing on Wikipedia so I'm confident I'll stick around. And whether Wikipedia should be used in colleges or universities is a subject of debate at least in my school, so I do have a concrete answer. Thanks for the help.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, really agree. Currently in HS, and when I hear people asking What would you do after graduating really pressures me. [sighs] I think I'm gonna mess my whole life up. GeraldWL 16:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerald Waldo Luis: I'm not sure what HS is (apart from a skin condition), High School? but I can appreciate that. My eldest is in their 3rd year at Uni, and still doesn't know what direction they might take after graduating. The process is often one of discovering what you know you don't want to do, whilst still keeping as many options and pathways open and available to you to move forward. Eventually, you arrive at one of perhaps many ideas of things you'd like to do, and start giving them a try. Gaining any sort of experience along the way helps in that process and gives you the chance to shine as an individual with a particular set of skills. I was in my first job for 5 years, but nowadays it's quite acceptable to be seen to have worked in many different areas for quite short periods of time. Whatever you do do, try to find work that will satisfy you, even if it doesn't pay that well. If you're lucky, like I was, the riches come in enjoying your innumerable days at work, and less from enjoying the rare weekends away from it. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, yeah, HS is high school. I don't know, it feels like some time later I'll have to handle life my own, which is f*king scary. I've been scouting on the internet for which college to go to, what should I do after graduation... etc, and am yet to come to a conclusion. Thanks for the advice, man! GeraldWL 17:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Nick as well, and would add that if you get to a point where your Wikipedia contributions are significant, you may want to include a packet with links explaining what any of the jargon related to your accomplishments (e.g. GA, FA, AfC reviewer, Teahouse host, etc.) means. signed, Rosguill talk 16:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Considering I once had a person list what they were capable of bench pressing on a resume for a Programmer position, I'd say Wikipedia can be a valid listing under interests/hobbies/extracurricular activites. Just certainly as others have said be prepared for the questions it could raise especially about using wikipedia in college classes. Slywriter (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I would say yes, mention it by all means, but not for the reason you think. I have friends who interview candidates for university, and they generally have little or no idea of what editing Wikipedia involves. Something these interviewers mention is the difficulty of getting some candidates to talk freely about something they're interested in, so that they can form an impression of them. "I edit Wikipedia" lets the interviewer ask "ooh, what does that involve"; while "I do bench presses" isn't going anywhere. Maproom (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Considering I once had a person list what they were capable of bench pressing on a resume for a Programmer position, I'd say Wikipedia can be a valid listing under interests/hobbies/extracurricular activites. Just certainly as others have said be prepared for the questions it could raise especially about using wikipedia in college classes. Slywriter (talk) 16:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Nick as well, and would add that if you get to a point where your Wikipedia contributions are significant, you may want to include a packet with links explaining what any of the jargon related to your accomplishments (e.g. GA, FA, AfC reviewer, Teahouse host, etc.) means. signed, Rosguill talk 16:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, yeah, HS is high school. I don't know, it feels like some time later I'll have to handle life my own, which is f*king scary. I've been scouting on the internet for which college to go to, what should I do after graduation... etc, and am yet to come to a conclusion. Thanks for the advice, man! GeraldWL 17:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerald Waldo Luis: I'm not sure what HS is (apart from a skin condition), High School? but I can appreciate that. My eldest is in their 3rd year at Uni, and still doesn't know what direction they might take after graduating. The process is often one of discovering what you know you don't want to do, whilst still keeping as many options and pathways open and available to you to move forward. Eventually, you arrive at one of perhaps many ideas of things you'd like to do, and start giving them a try. Gaining any sort of experience along the way helps in that process and gives you the chance to shine as an individual with a particular set of skills. I was in my first job for 5 years, but nowadays it's quite acceptable to be seen to have worked in many different areas for quite short periods of time. Whatever you do do, try to find work that will satisfy you, even if it doesn't pay that well. If you're lucky, like I was, the riches come in enjoying your innumerable days at work, and less from enjoying the rare weekends away from it. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot, well, being a professional Wikipedia editor can hint signs of, say, writing integrity and research integrity. It can also hint perseverance, like how an editor might guide an article from its stubby times to a grand featured article.. At least that's IMO. GeraldWL
- You'll want to think carefully about whether you really want to connect your Wikipedia user name to your real-life identity, though. If you put your editing activities on your CV, you will presumably need to disclose your user name (I don't know what the kind of college application that requires an applicant to list extracurriculars would look like, it's a foreign system, but I'm assuming it is essentially a CV – not that it matters.) Anybody is free to out themselves, obviously, but if you get to the point where your WP editing becomes so substantial that it would be interesting for a reviewing committee, you will inevitably have attracted your share of abusers and trolls. Some people get a greater share and more serious threats and some don't get so much – it's all pretty much random. And some people are not as bothered as others. So whether it is a good decision to mention your WP user name in a public context is your own decision, you just need to be aware of what goes into the decision. --bonadea contributions talk 23:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Just my two cents. First, I don't think this is not really something that should be discussed here at the Teahouse; probably fine for a user talk page, but it has a bit too much of a WP:NOTFORUM feel for the Teahouse even though it is kind of an interesting discussion. Now, having said that, I think the OP would be much better off trying to write/create content for something such a school newspaper or a local newspaper; it might even better for them to start their own blog or try to get picked up as a contributor on some other local group's blog. I think those things are likely going to have much more of an imapct of a university looking for student than Wikipedia editing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think once I spend enough time on Wikipedia I'll be able to explain what editing on Wikipedia involves, and after I make significant contributions it'll be easy to list them out, and might actually prove useful in my college application.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict):In addition to outing oneself on Wikipedia not being a great idea, generally, there remains the obvious point that the Wikipedia account "SenatorLEVI's real name" is not necessarily the product of SenatorLEVI, as, within reason, any user may call themselves any name at all. Some savvy application reviewers may realize this fact.
- As Wikipedia does not exist to promote anything other than knowledge, it would likely not develop and offer a "validation" service so that editors could (directly or indirectly) monetize their editing work. It's just not the way of Wikipedia., not to mention being vulnerable to impersonation fraud.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- I don't really have a problem linking my real name to my Wikipedia account, I have tried to change my name to my real name on Wikipedia (but due to similar accounts existing it couldn't be changed). It'll be easier and less awkward for College Application reviewers to go through my application if my Wikipedia username is my real name than my current username.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- At your stage in life, It would be more harm than help to have your account match your name. If some pranking friend/frenemy found out about you being a WP editor, they could vandalistically (all in "good fun") make a hash of your editing history, or worse... Count your blessings.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
It'll be easier and less awkward for College Application reviewers to go through my application if my Wikipedia username is my real name than my current username.
No, if somebody knows your user name it is not easier to find your edits if it tallies with your real name – either the person knows how to find edits made by a particular editor or they don't. If they don't know how to find a user's edit, it doesn't matter whether they know that your Wikipedia user name is the same as your RL name. If they do know how to do it, all they need to know is your user name, because the process of finding your edit history is no different. --bonadea contributions talk 11:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- I don't really have a problem linking my real name to my Wikipedia account, I have tried to change my name to my real name on Wikipedia (but due to similar accounts existing it couldn't be changed). It'll be easier and less awkward for College Application reviewers to go through my application if my Wikipedia username is my real name than my current username.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think once I spend enough time on Wikipedia I'll be able to explain what editing on Wikipedia involves, and after I make significant contributions it'll be easy to list them out, and might actually prove useful in my college application.SenatorLEVI (talk) 03:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
New article on wikipedia
How can i add new aticle on wikipedia? please help me for add a newarticle. AlizaySheikh (talk) 16:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- AlizaySheikh Please check your talk page by clicking -> here <-. Check out the links posted in the welcome message to get started on Wikipedia editing. Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 17:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- AlizaySheikh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. New users who dive right in without understanding the process often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as something they spent hours on is mercilessly edited, criticized, and deleted by others. I don't want you to have bad feelings, so I would suggest that you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. That will greatly increase your chances of success. I would suggest that you use the new user tutorial as well.
- If you still want to attempt to create a new article, please read Your first article and then go to articles for creation to create a draft. 331dot (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Father
Can i editing timur parents, and ancestors ? Iam.i.20 (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC) --Iam.i.20 (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC) ABABIALIL.
- @Iam.i.20: It's not clear what article you are referring to, but in general the answer is yes. Wikipedia encourages editors to be WP:BOLD and follow the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. Any changes you make will need to be supported by citations to reliable sources. If you are not comfortable making the change your self, you can start a discussion on the article's talk page to engage other interested editors. RudolfRed (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Your edit will need to be sourced to a reliable source using inline citations; otherwise, it's likely to be reverted.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Question about requested articles
I'd just like to ask, how does one decline a requested article at WP:RA? JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 19:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure as to your meaning. RA is just a list, not a personal request mechanism, right? If you want to advise that the RA has no chance of being created, some sort of note template might be used, like AFC Comment, only for RA. (I would try to make AFC Comment work there if nothing specific has been created for the purpose.)--Quisqualis (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- There is a {{Comment}} template with a monochrome icon.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Referencing
Hello I need help referencing things as my posts are taken down as I have not referenced them, Many Thanks, Lexi ItsLexiM (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @ItsLexiM: Welcome to the Teahouse. If people doubt, use inline citations for clout. Instructions for citing can be found at WP:EASYREFBEGIN; if you're using the visual editor there is a cite button you can press to insert citations. Just make sure the sources you're using are reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 21:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Over-eager policing
Was still busy compiling an article which needed quite a few references when I made my first save. One would have thought that the "Wikipedia Police" would have given one a fair time to add these references shortly afterwards, but within minutes one was upon me posting a ticket above the story about multiple issues and the like. For crying out to heaven and all other abodes in the observable universe, could some reasonable time, albeit short, not be given between first publishing and "policing" as first postings are seldom the final products that the compilers would want to submit to the Wikipedia? Mieliestronk (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Mieliestronk, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has editors who regularly patrol recent changes. Looking at the edit history of Draft:Arnold S de Beer (which I assume is the article in question), it was originally in the main articlespace. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do, and publishing directly to mainspace typically raises a lot of red flags. There is nothing wrong with starting in draftspace (like how an editor moved it for you) and working on it there. I suggest reading up on Your first article for more guidance on the matter. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Additionally, if you want to make it more apparent that it is a work-in-progress, you can use templates like {{in use}} or {{under construction}}. It might not prevent the article from being moved into draftspace, but you're less likely to be slapped with maintenance tags. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Draft status is a safe harbor for the article while you add references. English Wikipedia has higher requirements than some of the other language W's, so work on adding reliable source references before submitting the draft for review. And be aware that once submitted, review could happen any time from days to several months, as there is a large backlog. David notMD (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Inscrutable ref errors
Does anyone know what's causing the many, many ref errors in Signal (software)? I can't figure it out for the life of me. (Let me know if Teahouse isn't the right place to post this—I'm a fairly experienced editor, but just need some help!) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @AleatoryPonderings: Welcome to the Teahouse either way. The ref errors given here suggest that named references are being defined twice. For example, a reference like
signal-foundation
might have, enclosed inref
tags: lorem ipsum, but further down the article the same named reference,signal-foundation
, is defined again with something else inref
tags, like foo bar. To summarise, this kind of code is most likely why the error is appearing:
<ref name="signal-foundation">lorem ipsum</ref> <ref name="signal-foundation">foo bar</ref>
- The solution would be to find the second instance of the reference being defined and giving it a different ref name. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 23:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Tenryuu. Looking at the references named for Greenberg, it is obvious that different articles written by Greenberg are being given the same reference name. Each must have a unique name. And so on. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Cullen328, Except … it looks like they're not? Whoever did the list-defined refs scrupulously specified that each of Greenberg's articles would be differentiated by the date it was published. My sense is that there's something wonky with the list-defined refs in the first place and this issue could be resolved if I went in and re-did the refs the normal way, but that would be a lot of very tedious work I don't necessarily want to embroil myself in … AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Looking more closely, it appears that you are right, AleatoryPonderings. You may want to try asking at Village Pump/Technical. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- AleatoryPonderings, WP:VPT might be better able to help solve the problem for you. A little investigation on my part makes me believe something went wrong when the named references were used in-text; I looked at only the references section via source editor and everything rendered properly in the preview. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 00:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, both—see this post. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- AleatoryPonderings, it looks like DuncanHill is fixing them by removing the
-
after the author. Maybe the error's documentation page should be updated? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 00:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- AleatoryPonderings, it looks like DuncanHill is fixing them by removing the
- Thanks, both—see this post. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Cullen328, Except … it looks like they're not? Whoever did the list-defined refs scrupulously specified that each of Greenberg's articles would be differentiated by the date it was published. My sense is that there's something wonky with the list-defined refs in the first place and this issue could be resolved if I went in and re-did the refs the normal way, but that would be a lot of very tedious work I don't necessarily want to embroil myself in … AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Tenryuu. Looking at the references named for Greenberg, it is obvious that different articles written by Greenberg are being given the same reference name. Each must have a unique name. And so on. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- @AleatoryPonderings: The refs are, indeed, being defined more than once. The
{{Signal timeline}}
sidebar that sits below the infobox is responsible. E.g.,Donohue-2014
is defined in that template as well as in the article. Both look to be the same. References that are used in both need to be defined in one or the other (not both). The exact strategy depends on the reason for the separation and future plans. I'd suggest discussing it on the article's talk page with Dodi 8238, who created the template. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Place of Birth guidelines
Where are the place of birth guidelines?
My city's official area is 141 square miles. The city status belongs to that 141 square mile area. Those 141 square miles consist of the main namesake town, and 100's more towns, villages, hamlets and neighbourhoods, the majority of which have been part of the city for 100's or 1000's of years. Some people in those towns, villages neighbourhoods, and hamlets outside of the main namesake town, like to think of themselves as separate entities entirely, when the fact is they aren't. They are part of the city whether they like it or not. I've even seen TV programmes filmed in areas less than a mile or two from the city centre being described as being "near the city," or "just outside the city." Even some of the local councillors (most of which live in those areas), newspaper reporters, and tourism office workers, don't seem to understand that fact. They all refer to those areas as being "near the city" or "just outside the city."
Those towns, villages, hamlets, and neighbourhoods are constantly described on Wikipedia as being "near the city" or "just outside the city," and the same goes for the Wikipedia articles on people born and raised in those areas.
It annoys the hell out of me!
I've tried to correct some of the older ones in the past, with the correct county and the correct city, but they're always reverted, usually by people who aren't from the area, and don't know what a British city is. If that isn't the case, then it's people saying we need to stick with what the county was called before 1974, or claiming that the town/village/hamlet/neighbourhood wasn't part of the city at the time of their birth, which like I said above, I'm 99% sure isn't the case for the majority of them. Although I've yet to research the 100's of neighbourhoods of the city properly, to find references of the years when or more likely if those neighbourhoods were independent, and when they joined the city.
The birth place annoyances are one of the main reasons I've cut down editing on Wikipedia, to focus on editing IMDB instead.
I'm slowly adding, correcting, and updating, 100's of films, TV series, TV episodes, shorts etc of productions which filmed in my city, and adding 1000's of missing episodes, cast/crew members, companies, filming locations, release dates, run times, title images, screenshots, occasional plots etc in those same productions which have nothing to do with the city, especially when I notice there's a lot of episodes missing in a TV series for example. I've corrected/updated most, if not all of the birth places for the people who were already added as being born in the city, and I occasionally add missing credits or information on their profiles too when I stumble across them. I must have added at least 20 missing productions mainly from the 1970's to the 1990's (either filmed in my city, or containing people born in my city), around 500 missing TV episodes, and 1000's of cast/crew members in the last month alone, the majority of which I had no idea about until I stumbled across them on archive websites, and neither do the film office today. Just last week I stumbled across an old national news article for a British sports champion from my city, that hardly anyone in the city, never mind the big names in the sport itself, have heard of, so I've got a few films of him winning his title to add to IMDB now too.
I've also got a small list of around 50 people born in my city (big names, and people you and I had never heard of) who's birth places I've added to IMDB, along with around 5-10 the references each, all of which I've archived on the Wayback Machine, so eventually when I have a few thousand (film, TV, news, music, sport, literature etc) people on my list added to IMDB, I will be going through Wikipedia adding their birth places to their articles if they have one, or creating them if they don't, and I'll have all the references backed up, just in case they go missing. Danstarr69 (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nothing against your intentions, Danstarr69, but Wikipedia policy prevents us from using IMdB as a source, as it's user-generated. Even your sourced additions to IMdB won't qualify, based on their being subject to revision by anyone at any time. You may want to complete your birthdate project in a different sequence of steps.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Danstarr69. When it comes to place of birth, Wikipedia states what reliable sources say, not what individual Wikipedia editors think is right. So, if a reliable source says that Person A was born in Keighley, then that is what their Wikipedia article should say. You cannot conclude that, since Keighley is part of the City of Bradford, the article should say Bradford instead. Your enthusiasm for Bradford is fine, but please remember that Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Original GA reviewer afk
I recently reviewed the article Fuller's Coffee Shop, which was a GAN. I started the review myself because it was over a week after the original reviewer, Jurysith (formerly Danielyng), said they'd review it. I completed the review last week, and even pinged Jurysith several times. They've not yet responded; their last edit is logged on 13 December. What should be done now? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 01:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Jurysith registered Nov 17. Started and completed two GA reviews on Dec 8-9 with either no revision requests or very minor. On Dec 9, started five GA reviews. Completed one and abandoned four, including Fuller's. Pings have not been answered. In my opinion, Jurysith has not shown capacity to conduct GA reviews. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI should be allowed to complete the process. Same applies to one of the other stalled reviews, work done by a different editor. Jurysith's other two aborted reviews should be reverted. David notMD (talk) 02:44, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
I want to be a good editor
I want to be a good editor but I am new here. Please tell me how to contribute to Wikipedia articles. Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC) Sitaramradheshyam (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Sitaramradheshyam. I suggest that you try The Wikipedia Adventure, a game-style tutorial on editing Wikipedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Using a smaller resolution of an image
I have used the image given below in an article. However, I am still a greenhorn at using wikimedia commons, and do not know how to use a smaller resolution of the image (it would be more appropriate for the purpose). How do we use the smaller resolutions? Regards and thanks in advance!
HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 03:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi HalfdanRagnarsson. I have modified the image markup you posted in a common manner for how we often use them in articles, which you'll see, provides a smaller default size; and also posted a second use of the same image with a forced smaller display. Click edit on this thread to see the code I used for each. For further help, please see Help:Pictures, as well as the many pages linked through Wikipedia:Images. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Fuhghettaboutit: Thanks a lot HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 05:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
What is the policy on citing secondary sources not freely available online?
A lot of newspaper articles are either located behind a paywall, or have never been put online at all. Is there a Wikipedia policy about citing such articles as references? Can such references be used to establish the notability of a Wikipedia article, even though the page reviewer would not be able to view the reference? PopePompus (talk) 03:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @PopePompus: There is no problem with references that require payment or are not online at all. If you are having trouble accessing a source, you can ask someone at WP:RX to look it up for you. RudolfRed (talk) 04:42, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello PopePompus. Yes, offline and paywalled sources are acceptable, although equivalent freely available online sources are preferred when available. Please provide complete bibliographic details for the source, and consider including a one or two sentence quote from the article that backs the assertion made in the article. Of course, the newspaper cited must be a reliable one. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Is is civil to imply that another editor may not edit something?
I read in a talk page in Wikipedia something like 'There is nothing wrong with the first paragraph. You may edit the other paragraphs in that section.' Is it civil to imply that editing the first paragraph is now forbidden? There was no indication (that I could see) that the person who posted it was in an official position of authority so it seemed a bit bossy or even threatening. I've seen this sort of use of 'may' more than once. Arctic Gazelle (talk) 03:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Arctic Gazelle. I agree that the comment may be perceived as a little bit bossy. But please try to assume good faith. Perhaps the editor was trying to say that they would not object to your edits to other paragraphs but wanted to have input into changes to the first paragraph. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Screenshots
Is a screenshot of a website taken by you okay to publish on an article? Vamsi20 (talk) 04:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Vamsi20. It is very unlikely, but not impossible. The rare situation where it would be usable, is if the website's content, including all images hosted on it, bear a suitably free and compatible copyright license to allow its use here (or have been released into the public domain). Also very rarely, a screenshot might be able to be used under a fair use exception to copyright, but only if it met all ten of the non-free content criteria for the specific use (please note that fair use images cannot be used in draft articles at all – only in the article mainspace). If you tell us more about the specifics, we can advise further.
Please also refer to Wikipedia:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work" – a page I wrote to address a common misunderstanding we see on Wikipedia and sister projects, which might or might not be applicable and informative here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Vamsi20. In most cases, the answer is "no". Almost all website content is subject to copyright law. We use freely licensed or public domain images wherever possible. Please read non-free image policy for details of the few exceptions. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
The Makefile article
So,there is this makefile article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makefile ),It is mostly a duplicate of the make article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_(software) ),but there are some things that are different,so should I propose it to be deleted,or merged with the make article,or can i propose the makefile section in the make article to be merged into the makefile article,or vice versa,or should I leave the 2 articles alone? Simulator-master (talk) 04:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- It looks like the software article should be the only article, and the Makefile article can be considerably condensed and merged with Make. I'd love to know how Makefile even passed review. Edit: there wasn't any review as we know it in 2002. Read up on how you go about WP:MERGEing, as there is probably a need for discussion there.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Youtuber
why doesn't youtuber daily dose of internet have an Wikipedia article dispide him having 10 millions subs? Ztarbuckzkoffie3 the ztarbuckzfoffeing (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Ztarbuckzkoffie3 the ztarbuckzoffeing: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do any reliable sources talk about him? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 06:29, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
new article pointers
Courtesy link: Terry A Simmons
I have invested considerable effort into building a new article. It isn't perfect, but there is a lot there. For some reason it isn't yet indexed in search engine results. Is there a way to hasten that? Was there something important that I have yet to do?
Within seconds of article creation, somebody marked it as a potential candidate for deletion. I thought that hostile and almost gave up. Was there something else that I needed to do? The page still exists, as far as I can tell.
Also, some other editors keep on introducing errors into the piece. Why? For example, the article is on a person now deceased. Yet one editor insisted on adding a "living persons" category at the bottom of the page. A few other people did similarly odd things. Why? Many thanks. Dw861 (talk) 06:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Dw861, welcome to the Teahouse. The most likely reason as to why you're seeing these maintenance and proposed deletion tags is because you created the article directly in mainspace. We have a draftspace (pages start with
Draft:
) for editors to work on drafts before they're acceptable by main articlespace standards. I suggest reading Your first article if you haven't done so, and draft future articles through the Articles for creation process. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 07:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC) - (edit conflict)@Dw861:
- First of all speedy deletion tags: The article back then didn't had a claim on WP:NPERSON, qualifying it for CSD criteria A7. That being said, I would haven't tagged the article in that state, as it was clearly being worked on in that case. This is why I always recommend prepearing new articles in the Draft namespace or as a Userspace draft, even if you are technically not prevented from creating it in mainspace.
- Second, search engines: All new articles on Wikipedia are only visible to search engines when they either have been visited and marked by Wikipedia:New pages patrol, or when they have been in existence for 90 days, whatever comes first. Only when this has happened search engines are (at least the well-behaved, and the most popular ones are) invited to index the article. The indexing process can take a few days.
- Third, other editors. I recommend that you ask them directly, on their respective user talk page.
- One last note: Please use the preview. There is also a tag,
{{under construction}}
that you can place on an article while you are building it up. It does give reviewers a nice extra boost when they see they have to go through over 50 sometimes small changes. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Dw861. I began editing Wikipedia way back in 2009 by creating and expanding biographies of Sierra Club leaders and have done quite a bit of work on these articles over the years. I joined the Sierra Club in 1976. After reading this article, I am unsure this person is notable. The references are very poorly formatted and it is difficult for me to zero in on the sources that devote the type of significant biographical coverage that would clearly establish notability. As for tagging the article as a biography of a "living person", the WP:BLP policy applies to the recently deceased as well as those still living. This is to help verify that the person is actually dead, and to prevent the addition of negative material that may affect surviving relatives, or turning a neutral article into a hagiography. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Dw861, welcome to the Teahouse! It indeed looks like you've put a lot into that page, and I'll help answer your questions as best I can.
- Regarding search engine indexing, that happens once the page has gone through our new page patrol process, which can sometimes take a few weeks or months. The article is certainly well-developed enough to easily pass muster, so the main potential concern is notability. If you can give me three links to significant coverage of Simmons in independent, reliable sources, that would help a lot. Ideally, this would be something like reported (as opposed to paid) obituaries in a newspaper, or passages in a book that specifically discuss him as a person (rather than just mentioning him in a single line as part of a passage on Greenpiece or the Sierra Club).
- Regarding the speedy deletion tag, editors are not supposed to immediately tag pages for speedy deletion, and the one who did so should not have; I'm sorry that you encountered that. In the future, to avoid that, it's best to start pages in the draft namespace (by making their title e.g. "Draft:Terry A. Simmons") and then move them to mainspace only once they are ready. You can also place the code
{{Under construction}}
on a page, which will give you a little longer of a grace window, although not as long as draftspace (where there's no limit, but unedited pages are generally deleted after six months). - Regarding the "living persons" error, we can mostly blame the robots for that one. It came about because you had
(1947- )
at the top at one point as you constructing the page. CAPTAIN RAJU came by to make a small grammatical fix (on-board
toon board
, but while they were there, the tool they were using noticed the lack of death date and assumed that this meant Simmons is alive, and included some edits to the page reflecting that. It seems like just an unusual fluke circumstance (I can't really fault the algorithm or anyone involved), but as above, if you want to avoid it in the future, start the page in draftspace, where that sort of semi-automated edit is less likely to be made. - I hope all that helps clarify! I'll await your reply regarding the sources, and I hope you stick around and help us create more pages that are just as thoroughly done! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
How to create a diff link
Hello, I want to know how to create a diff link in mobile. Can anyone help me about that? Kajjul (talk) 08:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Kajjul:, the mobile interface often lacks features, and you can generally handle this by clicking on "Desktop view" at the very bottom of the page to switch to desktop view, and then doing what you want to do the desktop way. For diff links, you can do that by going to the page history (scroll to the bottom and click on "last edited") and then clicking on the relevant diff and copying the URL. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 08:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Addnode Group (improve draft)
Hi,
I have been trying to create a page for the company Addnode Group but it gets rejected due to notability/unreliable sources. Could anyone help me look into this, and see what needs to be added and/or changed. Any specidic sources that lacks independence or relability? It would be highly appriciated.
Link to article:Draft:Addnode_Group
Thanks! Gustav Addnode (talk) 08:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Gustav Addnode, all seven of the sources cited in Draft:Addnode Group lack independence. The first two were written by the company, the next three are based on what its representatives said, and the last two are based on press releases. Maproom (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. The first one is not from the company (Redeye) and the second is an annual report under Swedish Financial Supervisory Authority. Are those not considered independent either? Do you have any other suggestion on what could be done to improve the article?
Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gustav Addnode (talk • contribs) 12:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Editor block.
How do I request an administrator to block on editor or request protection on a certain page? SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- SenatorLEVI You may request page protection at WP:RFPP; if the issue is a single user, you may report vandalism/inappropriate editing to WP:AIV, and edit warring to WP:ANEW. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like your dispute is with User:SpectresWrath, over edits made in good faith versus vandalism. You could invite the editor to a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, I have dropped a message on the editor's talk page but he/she has removed my message (reverted my revision). I don't think I can engage in any conversation because the user in question has ignored previous notices and messages by other editors about violation of editing policies and edit warring. SenatorLEVI (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Editors are within their rights to delete content on their own Talk pages (with certain limits). So far, at the article in question, SpectresWrath made a deletion twice in one day, each reverted, but not by the same editor. So, not quite edit warring. I recommend doing nothing at the moment, and just hope that SW loses interest in the article. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Of course they do, but I was just stating that. And regarding the number of edits he has made 4 reverts on the same day. I mentioned him reverting my request to discuss his continuous reverts as to why I am unable to discuss it with him. SenatorLEVI (talk) 10:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Editors are within their rights to delete content on their own Talk pages (with certain limits). So far, at the article in question, SpectresWrath made a deletion twice in one day, each reverted, but not by the same editor. So, not quite edit warring. I recommend doing nothing at the moment, and just hope that SW loses interest in the article. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, I have dropped a message on the editor's talk page but he/she has removed my message (reverted my revision). I don't think I can engage in any conversation because the user in question has ignored previous notices and messages by other editors about violation of editing policies and edit warring. SenatorLEVI (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like your dispute is with User:SpectresWrath, over edits made in good faith versus vandalism. You could invite the editor to a discussion on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. SenatorLEVI (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Title
How do you make a title because when I make a page it says my title is just my name, also how do you link that title to a certain word. For example, Sam Winchester is linked to Sam Winchester Anonymouspeep986 (talk) 10:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Anonymouspeep986 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds to me as if you are attempting to edit your user page, which is not article space, but a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia user. New users cannot directly create articles until they are autoconfirmed, meaning that their account is at least four days old with at least 10 edits or more. Even if you are autoconfirmed, it is not recommended to just create new articles, as as it will likely cause you grief and frustration as your work is mercilessly edited, discussed, and deleted by others. Creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. I don't want you to have bad feelings, so I suggest that you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so you get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It would also be good for you to use the new user tutorial.
- However, if you still want to attempt to create a new article, you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor, instead of placing it directly in the encyclopedia yourself, so you get some other eyes on it from more experienced people. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Adding an article onto a WikiProject’s scope
Hello there! How do I add articles onto a WikiProject’s area of interest, as in This article is within the scope of (Example)? There are lots of articles that are within this area of interest, but none of them are featured as such. -Shift674-🌀contribs 12:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- I’ve answered that question now. But I have another one. How do I add an article to the “quality and importance” table? -Shift674-🌀contribs 12:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello @Shift674:, and welcome to the teahouse! Quality and importance should be inserted as parameters in the template (e.g. {{WikiProject Tropical cyclones|class=start|importance=low}}). Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 12:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
contents box
Hi! Why some pages have contents box like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Ernst whilst some don't like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-J%C3%BCrgen_Riediger ? I'd like to remove contents box itself or "Honours" because it's not "Honours" but "Achievements", if it's allowed. Any suggestions? Thanks :) RøedS (talk) 12:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC) RøedS (talk) 12:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- RøedS, welcome to the Teahouse. Articles automatically generate tables of contents when there are at least four sections. You can change the section heading directly so that it would read as "Achievements". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 🎄Happy Holidays!⛄ 12:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the quick answering, Tenryuu!! OK and Happy Holidays to you and all @ Wikipedia! RøedS (talk) 12:37, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
I want to contact the editor of this page:
I really want to contact the editor of this page,its very important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_records 37.202.82.46 (talk) 12:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello 37.202.82.46, there are many editors for this page, who've edited it over a period of time. If you wish to see any recent edits made by editors just click on the History section on the top right and you can see them in an organized manner. After that you may contact any one of them by leaving a message on their talk page. However if you wish to contact the creator of this article I've linked their user talk page here. SenatorLEVI (talk) 12:49, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like the original creator has retired from Wikipedia, their last edit was in 2018. Pahunkat (talk) 12:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes I realized that, but looks like the IP editor wanted to contact a different editor, I think he already has. SenatorLEVI (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- The place to discuss the content of any Wikipedia article is the talk page of that article, in this case Talk:List_of_UFC_records.--Shantavira|feed me 13:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Adoptees
Is there a place where I can find the full list of users awaiting adoption? Vamsi20 (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Vamsi20: Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:13, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Omah Lay
Please I want to know if I can create Omah Lay, I want an expert to Cross check his notability as I feel he's qualify for wiki music criteria. BadEdithor (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hello BadEdithor, and welcome to the Teahouse! You're welcome to create the article through the articles for creation process, but before you begin please read our policies on biographies of living people and the various notability guidelines: WP:NBIO and WP:NMUSIC, in your case. Ensure you're 100% certain that the subject is notable enough for an article by collecting sources before you begin. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 14:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- This repeatedly created article is currently in draft mode at Draft:Omah Lay. Please see the links in the grey box above the article to see what is required.--Shantavira|feed me 15:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Is a WP:IBAN possible on an admin?
Hi. Is an IBAN possible on an involved admin ? Is there an issue with posting a warning on their talk? Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- It is theoretically possible.... but I suggest starting a normal conversation with the admin. No one likes a flyby warning....just explain your POV on the situation thus giving them a venue to explain what's going on.--Moxy 🍁 15:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- (e/c) Hi Pasdecomplot. An administrator is not a higher level user—they only have access to higher level tools. They can absolutely be warned, blocked, or banned. However, the fact they are an administrator (but for a very few users who got their access in the very, very earliest days of Wikipedia) always means they are highly experienced; went through a community process to request the access to the tools that that would not have succeeded if they hadn't shown by their edits they seemed like a person who was clueful and to be trusted and who had a good working knowledge of policy and guideline. What that translates to is that it is not very common that administrators need to be warned for their edits, or blocked or even banned, but it certainly happens.
Additionally – and much of the following is my general advice for how to comport yourself to avoid problems and get the result you actually want without knowing the specifics, so I don't know if the following applies to you – but please be aware of WP:BOOMERANG and please note Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. If you are, for example, in a seeming interaction that is heading towards an edit war with a highly experienced user (admin or otherwise), I strongly recommend discussing the issue at their talk page (calmly and as neutrally as possible) tailored to the specifics. Focus on the content issue, not what you think of them. Also, cite policy/guideline that supports what you are there about, and be sure it's them and not you. It usually takes two to edit war (if you are the sole person reverting multiple experienced others, you probably need to re-think your position). Likewise, it often takes two people reverting multiple times for one of them to cross the line and breach the three revert rule. Please also note the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Something that can be described as "calm discussion" where you "raise an issue" is usually superior to something one would describe as "warning". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)