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:::::<pre><nowiki>{{efn-ua|A right-facing double-arm swastika (mirror image of this one) was used by the [[Nazi]]s, beginning circa June 1944, for wearing by [[German Army (Wehrmacht)| Heer]] and [[Luftwaffe]] personnel on temporary duty as [[concentration camp]] guards.<ref>{{cite web|title=Holocaust - Rare concentration camp temporary assigned SS guard collar tab with double armed swastika - Dachau {{sic|horde}} |url=http://3reich-collector.com/concentration-camp-ww2-german/holocaust-rare-concentration-camp-temporary-assigned-ss-guard-collar|website=3reich-collector|accessdate=2 February 2018}}</ref>}}</nowiki></pre> |
:::::<pre><nowiki>{{efn-ua|A right-facing double-arm swastika (mirror image of this one) was used by the [[Nazi]]s, beginning circa June 1944, for wearing by [[German Army (Wehrmacht)| Heer]] and [[Luftwaffe]] personnel on temporary duty as [[concentration camp]] guards.<ref>{{cite web|title=Holocaust - Rare concentration camp temporary assigned SS guard collar tab with double armed swastika - Dachau {{sic|horde}} |url=http://3reich-collector.com/concentration-camp-ww2-german/holocaust-rare-concentration-camp-temporary-assigned-ss-guard-collar|website=3reich-collector|accessdate=2 February 2018}}</ref>}}</nowiki></pre> |
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::::I haven't got the footnote working yet, and I have to get to bed an hour ago. If you delete pix from the article, please save them here, so they can be reinstated when they can be given a proper explanation. --[[User:Thnidu|Thnidu]] ([[User talk:Thnidu|talk]]) 07:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC) |
::::I haven't got the footnote working yet, and I have to get to bed an hour ago. If you delete pix from the article, please save them here, so they can be reinstated when they can be given a proper explanation. --[[User:Thnidu|Thnidu]] ([[User talk:Thnidu|talk]]) 07:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC) |
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==="no consensus" revert again=== |
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[[User:Beyond My Ken]], you have been {{oldid2|742562903|MOS:IM|told before}} that [[MOS:IM|images belong below the header of the section that relates to them, not above]]. This consensus is reflected in Wikipedia guidelines and if you disagree with it, the onus to achieve a new consensus is on you. Similarly the discussion above, in which you apparently chose not to participate, has everyone agreeing that images should be placed next to the text describing them, again [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#Vertical_placement|per MOS]]. Your usual arguments ("no consensus", "wasn't discussed", "not mandatory", "drive-by edit" and so on) are all indications of [[WP:OWNBEHAVIOR|ownership behavior]]. Additionally: |
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* You replaced properly formatted references with [[WP:CITEVAR|bare URLs]]. |
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* You replaced https URLS with http URLs |
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* You reverted some grammar and spelling corrections (for example you replaced "unknown provenance" with "unknown provision" |
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This all indicates you're not interested in improving the article or listening to Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and consensus, and you're trying to force [[WP:OWNBEHAVIOR|your preferred version]] over the one supported by Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and consensus. [[User talk:BrightR|Bright☀]] 09:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Unnamed foreign languages in the lead.
- Our lead currently states:
- It is alternatively known in various European languages as the Hakenkreuz, gammadion, cross cramponnée, croix gammée, fylfot, or tetraskelion, and in Japan as the Manji.
- It is alternatively known in various European languages as the Hakenkreuz, gammadion, cross cramponnée, croix gammée, fylfot, or tetraskelion, and in Japan as the Manji.
- Readers (including me) need to be told what these languages are.
- Hakenkreuz is German (but may well also be other languages)
- croix gammée is French (but may well also be other languages)
- cross cramponnée appears to be an erroneous mixture of English and French (but for all I know may well be valid)
- fylfot seems to be English (but may well also be other languages)
- gammadion seems to be English (but may well also be other languages, especially French)
- tetraskelion sounds Greek but may well be English and/or other languages.
- Meanwhile non-European languages seem seriously under-represented (per WP:WORLDWIDE, etc) given the symbol's widespread use in Asia according to the article.
- Per WP:NOTCOMPULSORY (among several other reasons), I probably will not be attempting to fix this myself (or at least not anytime soon), but I still thought I should mention it here anyway so that others more interested and/or better qualified might fix it, per the current last paragraph of WP:CAREFUL (that paragraph has now been given the new shortcut WP:BNO).
- Regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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Too many pictures?
The article has a {{too many photos}} banner at the top. It says
- This article contains too many pictures, charts or diagrams for its overall length.
- Please help to in accordance with the Manual of Style on use of images.
The MOS (Manual of Style) says on this subject
- However, not every article needs images, and too many can be distracting.
and
- Resist the temptation to overwhelm an article with images of marginal value simply because many images are available.
This article certainly needs images, since it's about an image type and its various forms. Since the forms are various, and since there are so many of them, the number of images is (imho) not excessive. Nor are they of marginal value: they are all distinct and have names of their own. It's not as if there were twenty assorted images of the Nazi flag.
The MOS also addresses considerations of download size:
- Rather than including an image gallery on an article, which could add significantly to the download size, consider creating a gallery/category on the Wikimedia Commons instead.
But that would defeat much of the point of the article, which is to describe the many kinds of swastika and tell their background. That bullet point might apply to, say, 15 portraits of monarchs in an article about monarchy, where the images are primarily decorative, but here they are intrinsic to the content. (In fact, Monarchy includes 11 portraits. It is a long article (40,899 bytes) with many sections, one including two portraits and the rest only one or none at all.)
I've been interested in geometric designs for over fifty years, and many of these I'd never encountered before, let alone their names and origins. I am removing the banner. --Thnidu (talk) 04:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Scrolling nightmare on mobile view.... WP:IG lot here not explained in text format.--Moxy (talk) 05:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Any image that does not have an accompanying text discussing the image should be removed. Bright☀ 09:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- That's a good way to help decide which pix to keep. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- @DavidWBrooks, BrightR, and Moxy: I started looking for further information on these. So far I've only got this draft footnote for the double-arm swastika:
{{efn-ua|A right-facing double-arm swastika (mirror image of this one) was used by the [[Nazi]]s, beginning circa June 1944, for wearing by [[German Army (Wehrmacht)| Heer]] and [[Luftwaffe]] personnel on temporary duty as [[concentration camp]] guards.<ref>{{cite web|title=Holocaust - Rare concentration camp temporary assigned SS guard collar tab with double armed swastika - Dachau {{sic|horde}} |url=http://3reich-collector.com/concentration-camp-ww2-german/holocaust-rare-concentration-camp-temporary-assigned-ss-guard-collar|website=3reich-collector|accessdate=2 February 2018}}</ref>}}
- I haven't got the footnote working yet, and I have to get to bed an hour ago. If you delete pix from the article, please save them here, so they can be reinstated when they can be given a proper explanation. --Thnidu (talk) 07:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- @DavidWBrooks, BrightR, and Moxy: I started looking for further information on these. So far I've only got this draft footnote for the double-arm swastika:
- That's a good way to help decide which pix to keep. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Any image that does not have an accompanying text discussing the image should be removed. Bright☀ 09:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
"no consensus" revert again
User:Beyond My Ken, you have been told before that images belong below the header of the section that relates to them, not above. This consensus is reflected in Wikipedia guidelines and if you disagree with it, the onus to achieve a new consensus is on you. Similarly the discussion above, in which you apparently chose not to participate, has everyone agreeing that images should be placed next to the text describing them, again per MOS. Your usual arguments ("no consensus", "wasn't discussed", "not mandatory", "drive-by edit" and so on) are all indications of ownership behavior. Additionally:
- You replaced properly formatted references with bare URLs.
- You removed the protection template notice despite the protection still being in effect.
- You replaced https URLS with http URLs
- You reverted some grammar and spelling corrections (for example you replaced "unknown provenance" with "unknown provision"
This all indicates you're not interested in improving the article or listening to Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and consensus, and you're trying to force your preferred version over the one supported by Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and consensus. Bright☀ 09:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)