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:::I agree that "bottom" sits better with the word "top". But more importantly let's rename the template so that it's purpose is clearer. "yy" means nothing to anyone. Something like "Userbox list" might be better? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC) |
:::I agree that "bottom" sits better with the word "top". But more importantly let's rename the template so that it's purpose is clearer. "yy" means nothing to anyone. Something like "Userbox list" might be better? — Martin <small><blockquote></blockquote>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::: {{Reply to|MSGJ}} I've long had that feeling too, but didn't want to conflate the issue. It's been enough of a fight to just get "bottom". Also of course, your proposal would involve renaming a handful of templates. Should we separate it into another proposal? — <kbd>[[User:voidxor|<span style="color: blue">void</span>]][[User talk:voidxor|<span style="color: black">xor</span>]]</kbd> 16:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC) |
:::: {{Reply to|MSGJ}} I've long had that feeling too, but didn't want to conflate the issue. It's been enough of a fight to just get "bottom". Also of course, your proposal would involve renaming a handful of templates. Should we separate it into another proposal? — <kbd>[[User:voidxor|<span style="color: blue">void</span>]][[User talk:voidxor|<span style="color: black">xor</span>]]</kbd> 16:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC) |
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==Either Yyend or Yybottom== |
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The documentation for Template:Yyend now states: "[[Template:Yyend]] (or alternatively [[Template:Yybottom]] if you prefer) always comes last and completes the table." Hopefully this will satisfy everyone. Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:#770022;font-weight:bold;"> Buaidh </span>]]<span style="font-size:75%;vertical-align:middle;"> [[w:User talk:Buaidh|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/Buaidh|e-mail]]</span> 20:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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I'm pretty sure that the square brackets around the WikiText should be {{ }} and not [[ ]], because templates use curly brackets, not square.
Thanks, CrazyMinecart88 12:56, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed in {{yy}} and related templates. I've also created page Template:Yy/testcases. —andrybak (talk) 16:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
The opposite of "top" is "bottom".
@Tavix: Your edit here in late April of last year—I assume the G7 request came from Buaidh...? Did you look at the history? We've gone back and forth over whether it should be named {{yyend}} or {{yybottom}} before. I've argued that the opposite of "top" is "bottom". This is why similar templates like {{Usbkbottom}} are named this way. No matter how many times I say this and change it, Buaidh sneakily reverts me without pinging me nor triggering the notification system by doing a proper revert. This is one of the more stubborn editors I've encountered in my 17 years here. That user's only counterargument (such as in the edit summary here) is that "yyend" is already in use on hundreds of pages. I've explained to them many times before that a redirect is left behind, but that user has to have it their way or the highway, and doesn't care to articulate a valid counterargument. Can we please make a decision based on facts and consensus, rather than accidentally becoming a pawn in an non-collaborative user's game? — voidxor 17:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't realize I was sneaky. Yytop and Yyend have different functions and don't need to be opposites. I created the Yy templates as an alternative to the Usbk system and they have many have many additional functions. I don't feel they need to follow the president of Usbk. You can always use the REDIRECT Yybottom if you find this offensive. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 18:08, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Buaidh: Really?! We've been slowly edit warring about this for over two years now. How did you not realize that you were being sneaky when you ignore my arguments and choose to—time after time—manually revert me so as to (apparently) fly under my radar? Also, manually cutting and pasting articles is forbidden, yet you keep doing it even though I reverted and commented as much the last time.
- Anyway, I'm tired of your red-herring arguments, so I'll just address all of your points one-by-one:
Yytop and Yyend have different functions...
- I know.
...and don't need to be opposites.
- Their naming should reflect oppose ends (in proper English), because they are used in tandem—one at the top of a group of userboxes and one at the bottom.
I don't feel they need to follow the president of Usbk.
- It's precedent (speaking of word use) and I mostly agree that we don't need to be tied to {{Usbk}}; I was more pointing to the reason that Usbk and countless other template pairs use "top" and "bottom". Some use "start" and "end" because those two words are opposites. Yours is the only template pair that errantly uses "top" and "end" as opposites.
You can always use the REDIRECT Yybottom...
- I have been, though you've often reverted my template usage as well. Why can't we just move the template and leave it?
...if you find this offensive.
- "Offensive" isn't the best word. I'm just trying to get the template under the better name for it.
Yyend is used on hundreds of pages.
- It doesn't matter. This is a true red herring. The beauty of redirects (as you just acknowledged, so I know you know) is that templates can be moved without breaking transclusions. We move templates all of the time, when a better name is determined. Heck, {{Refimprove}} was moved to {{More citations needed}} five years ago even though hundreds of thousands of articles transcluded it at the time.
Yyend is shorter.
- See previous response.
- — voidxor 21:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Either Yyend or Yybottom
The documentation for Template:Yyend now states: "Template:Yyend (or alternatively Template:Yybottom if you prefer) always comes last and completes the table." Hopefully this will satisfy everyone. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 20:17, 3 February 2023 (UTC)