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August 19
List of pages matching search
I'm running JWB (an in-browser tool similar to AWB), and I'm trying to find a way to get a plain list of pages whose text includes a search term somewhere. The search box with quotes works great for this, however it's impractical to manually copy a list from there. I know that AWB can do this, but is there some other way to do this so that I don't have to bother the AWB folk too much (and also to make it so I can fiddle with it more without wasting others' time)? LittlePuppers (talk) 00:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- LittlePuppers, you might want to leave this question at User_talk:Joeytje50/JWB or WP:VPT. You might get a more relevant response. Ed talk! 00:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Using Wikipedia as a resource for school
Hello, I have been editing Wikipedia on and off for a while now (mainly doing anti-vandalism edits) and recently received a school task to invent a species. Part of this task is to create a Wikipedia style entry on said made up spices. Therefore I am checking if I can create a page under my own user space, in order to create said entry. (e.g. User:All hail Armok/[Whatever I call the species]). Thanks you. All hail Armok (talk) 00:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @All hail Armok: Welcome to Wikipedia You can't create something made up that is intended to look like a real article. RudolfRed (talk) 01:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- All hail Armok, as it isn't relevant to the development of the encyclopedia and could be misinterpreted as a draft article for a real species, I'd advise you to keep this off-wiki, or try a different Wiki that runs Wikipedia's software such as the test wiki Ed talk! 01:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Democratic national convention 2020
This page has under protests section been vandalized by someone labeling TRUMP as "drumpf". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.221.215.33 (talk) 02:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
NBA divisional tables
Hi, can the tables in the above page be updated? I've noticed that the games behind column is incorrect. Anthonylopresti1 (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Anthonylopresti1: Thanks for pointing this out. The tables are driven by templates, which I don't know how to update. I put this info on one of the template talk pages. Template talk:2019–20 NBA Atlantic standings#This looks incorrect TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton and Anthonylopresti1:
Fixed Yup. The individual division games behind were incorrect. Whoever last updated Template:2019–20 NBA West standings and Template:2019–20 NBA East standings forgot to set the leader of each division, which apparently has to be done manually. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:35, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton and Anthonylopresti1:
Thanks for the fix AlanM1. Do you think its worth placing a bold line underneath the last team that played in the bubble in both the Division and Conference Standings? This way its clear that Washington is above Charlotte despite having a lower PCT. Also, do you think it would be useful to add a 'p - clinched play-in spot' in the Notes and place next to Memphis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonylopresti1 (talk • contribs) 08:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Lupton family
I know I said I would not trouble the editors again (!) but please fix up the following: in the 20th century section:
1 - Place the new file of head of Olive Middleton on the other side of the page to balance the page and be consistent.
2 - Also, please remove the funny ]] signs that are immediately under the sub-heading - Olive Middleton (nee Lupton).
Thanks and sorry 175.33.139.143 (talk) 04:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Done. As I've told you a couple of times before, you are always welcome to make such requests at my talk page. There are some people who don't like you making them here. Maproom (talk) 06:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia's official policies and guidelines overrule consensus?
Does the fact that the article Kosovo was moved by an admin without a consensus and with a reasoning that goes against Wikipedia:Assume good faith mean that Wikipedia's official policies and guidelines such as WP:COMMONNAME are prioritized over the consensus of the editors involved? StellarHalo (talk) 04:49, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- This is a loaded question. None of its premises are true. – Teratix ₵ 06:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Are you saying there was a consensus for that particular controversial move? If so, where? StellarHalo (talk) 08:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Determining consensus is primarily about weighing the strength of arguments, and not counting votes. The admin who closed that discussion explained this. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Does that mean that in an editing dispute, if my arguments are more based on existing guidelines and policies while the arguments of my opponents are not, the administrators will uphold my positions? Just asking in case I find myself in a long dispute. StellarHalo (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I can't promise you anything, but in general, it is the strength of the arguments that matter, including those based in Wikipedia guidelines. There are occasional exceptions, such as ignore all rules, but even then a persuasive argument that there is a benefit to the encyclopedia must be made. Keep in mind that people can disagree in good faith as to what guidelines mean. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Does that mean that in an editing dispute, if my arguments are more based on existing guidelines and policies while the arguments of my opponents are not, the administrators will uphold my positions? Just asking in case I find myself in a long dispute. StellarHalo (talk) 08:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Determining consensus is primarily about weighing the strength of arguments, and not counting votes. The admin who closed that discussion explained this. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Are you saying there was a consensus for that particular controversial move? If so, where? StellarHalo (talk) 08:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Nike Dattani
Kyoto University IP addresses keep removing "Kyoto University" from a scientist's Wikipedia page, but there's concrete evidence that the scientist worked there. Can we block a range of email address from Kyoto University, from editing that page? Dr. Universe (talk) 05:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Your best venue for that would probably be WP:RFPP. LittlePuppers (talk) 11:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Mahaveer swami
You've mentioned dead. On their bio. You need to mention nirvana or moksha. They've not died they've attained nirvana. And uve mentioned cause of death starvation. They didn't starve for food. They compromised food and fasted. You can't mention the cause of death get your facts clear and remove death from all gods of jainism and mention moksha or nirvana — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.21.176 (talk) 08:43, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- This is probably about Mahavira. The article has a section Mahavira#Nirvana_and_moksha.
- Wikipedia articles should claim as fact only that which is verifiable. Therefore, it carefully separates religious beliefs from historically-attested events. For instance, our article Jesus says (in Wikipedia's voice) that a person existed, was a religious leader, and died from crucifixion, because historical (non-Christian) sources corroborate this. The claim that he was resurrected is mentioned, because it is a central tenet of Christian doctrine, but proving it would invalidate centuries of medicine; it therefore cannot be given in Wikipedia's voice unless some extraordinary proof is given, which is unlikely to emerge after two millenia. The same holds for Jainism topics. TigraanClick here to contact me 13:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Problem with article Lahore Front
I have read the article and shows very biased opinion by the authur. The auther states that it was a clear victory by India over Pakistan, If that was the case India would have occupied Lahore. But in reality was a great defiance by the military to halt the Indian aggression on Lahore front . India had around 100,000 force and Pakistan 50,000. The Pakistan military held their ground and unitl the peace treaty . To call it Indian victory is very much biased approached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.189.16 (talk) 09:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Issues with article content should be discussed on the article talk page. Articles summarize what independent reliable sources state, so if they phrase it as an Indian victory, that's what the article should say(even if there was some degree of a tactical victory by Pakistan). You will need to have independent sources to support any claims you make. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Jeffrey Royal article
Hello all,
This article reads like a CV and relies on a single reference which my computer flags as a security risk.
What would be the best way to tag the article for attention? I've never done this before.
Thanks! PrincessPersnickety (talk) 11:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @PrincessPersnickety:
tagged by me and LittlePuppers. If you have Twinkle, its actually pretty easy. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Victor Schmidt Thank you for your quick help, I will have a look at Twinkle. I've only just started editing so have mainly stuck to typos so far :) PrincessPersnickety (talk) 11:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Re HG Wells novel The War in the Air
I have today tried to amend the name of this book to its correct title 'The War in the Air: And Particularly How Mr. Bert Smallways Fared While It Lasted' but one of your admins doesn't apparently think it necessary yo label things correctly and changed it back again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:1833:E200:C49F:9843:DBE8:66E8 (talk) 12:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- This must be about this revert.
- Regarding the process, the revert was done by Huggle (a semi-automated edition tool) and contains no meaningful edit summary. I would suggest that Samf4u should slow down the Huggle-ing because this edit was not a clear case of vandalism, so an explanation would have been warranted. Technically, per WP:BRD, the onus would be on the IP editor to open a discussion on the article's talk page to discuss this, but I do not think that is necessary.
- Regarding the content, here's one book cover with the extended title, and the first edition from here contains it on the inside title page (page 8 of the document in the source). I therefore tend to agree with the edit. The formatting also matches that of other books with subtitles, e.g. Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea has the subtitle A Word Tour underwater in the lead; unless there is something in the manual of style that says otherwise, I think the IP edit should stay. TigraanClick here to contact me 13:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I reverted it in the infobox and allowed it in the lead section. If your gonna bitch be sure and tell the whole story. - Samf4u (talk) 14:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I somehow missed that the revert was in the infobox, not the lead; sorry about the misrepresentation. (I agree with the revert then, though not with marking it as minor or the lack of edit summary.)
- After this thread opened, Alexcalamaro reverted the lead. I re-reverted to keep the extended title in the lead. TigraanClick here to contact me 14:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- I reverted it in the infobox and allowed it in the lead section. If your gonna bitch be sure and tell the whole story. - Samf4u (talk) 14:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
gadget or script
I've got something enabled that lets me hover my cursor over someone's signature and a little box pops up that tells me what rights they have, their edit count, account creation date, date of last edit, a bunch of other stuff. I'd like to advise a new user to install or enable whatever it is (I think the information might help them stay out of trouble), but it's been so long since I installed it that I have no idea what it's called. Thanks for any help! —valereee (talk) 12:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee: At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, "Navigation Popups". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
How Date of birth and place can be changed
How to edit date of birth and place of birth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.72.10.15 (talk) 13:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Which article are you referring to? You can change a birth date by editing a page (assuming it is not protected), but you will need to provide reliable sources demonstrating that your change is correct. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 14:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Assuming you're referring to infoboxes, you'd have to edit the code in them. You can use the visual editor to click on the infobox template, click on the edit button on the tiny window that pops up, and navigate to the text fields that describe birthdate and birthplace. Change the text and click Apply Changes in the top-right corner to submit those changes, and then click Publish changes to commit to them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- In some places, the page uses the date and/or place from the associated Wikidata item. In this case, you must edit the Wikidata item instead of the Wikipedia page. You still need to cite a reliable source for the date. -Arch dude (talk) 15:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Will Wikipedia merge their site to fb or google like whatsapp did?
Wikipedia now running out of money asking donations, Will Wikipedia merge their site to fb or google like whatsapp did? Man Floor (talk) 14:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not running out of money - it has always run on donations. To answer you further: no. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 14:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- WhatsApp is an application developed by a for-profit corporation. It's investors made many millions of dollars when they sold the company to Facebook. Wikipedia is crowdsourced online encyclopedia developed and maintained volunteers running on systems belonging to and maintained by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, which is supported by donations and which has plenty of money. There is no requirement, no incentive, and no desire to merge with any for-profit corporation. -Arch dude (talk) 16:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- To quote an email sent on the Mailing List, which feels relevant:
Today I had a coworker private message me, worried that Wikipedia was in financial trouble. He asked me if the worst happened, would the content still be available so that it could be resurrected? I assured him that Wikimedia is healthy, has reserves, and successfully reaches the budget every year. Basically I said there wasn't much to worry about, because there isn't.
>>BEANS X2t
18:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Like any bureaucracy, the WMF always wants more money and always wants to expand its operations. But really, it's not in any trouble. There are also tons of off-wiki copies of the textual content of Wikipedia. The image collection is more of a problem since it's harder to mirror because of its size. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 08:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
My Non Profit Organization
My non profit organization does not come up on Wiki and I would like to add it, how do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tkc071 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Tkc071: The short answer: Don't. The slightly longer answer: As someone closely affiliated with the organization, you have a conflict of interest and should not write about the organization. If you are convinced the subject is "notable" as Wikipedia uses the term, the first step you should take is to make a list of reliable sources that are about the organization but were not produced by it, then visit Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Organizations and add it to the appropriate alphabetical section. Then wait for a volunteer editor to take interest in writing the article. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:37, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Tkc071. Hundreds of new editors come here every day to promote themselves, their band, their company, their non-profit. Typically they have a frustrating and miserable time, because they are trying to do something which is contrary to everything Wikipedia stands for: promotion (in the Wikipedia world, this word is not limited to commercial activities). If your non-profit meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - principally, that several people wholly unconnected with it, and without being prompted or fed information by it, have chosen to write about it at length, and been published somewhere reliable - then Wikipedia could have an article about it. The article will not belong to your organisation, you will have no control over its content, it will be based almost entirely on what those independent people have published about it, and not what you say or want to say about it; and you are discouraged from writing it yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input
Courtesy link: Evergreen State College
Hi folks--I have tried to edit the Evergreen State College page and add a reference link to explain that the college considers itself a liberal arts and sciences college. However, I mistakenly added cite marks where I shouldn't. I now can't see where they are to remove them. Please advise, thank you.
- There were 2 stray notes up top that were causing the issue, which I have removed. Why aren't you mentioning it in the body? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I will! Thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.211.31.240 (talk) 23:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Fixed. LittlePuppers (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
August 20
Effective Way to Find Vandalism
I've recently come across quite a bit of vandalism and it bothered me quite a lot. I decided to fight vandalism, so I went to the recent changes page. I didn't really find much vandalism over there. What's an effective way to find vandalism? Hmanburg (talk) 03:16, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hmanburg, you may be interested in signing up for the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu thanks for the link!
- Hmanburg, consider using a filter while looking at recent changes. You can set the filter to only show edits that are "likely unhelpful" among other filter criteria. Any user can make any number of filters, and you can save them if you want to reuse it later. See Help:Recent changes, and Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol. --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 12:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Tenryuu thanks for the link!
Vandalism is not all that common these days, and there are bots that catch a lot of it, but there is also a recent changes patrol (WP:RCP) that you can work with. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 08:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Help:Email confirmation
- Help:Email confirmation ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
In December 2019, an editor added {{Technical}} to Help:Email confirmation (diff) without explaining the issue. I don't think it is appropriate to add the tag to how-to and information pages in that way. Could someone remove the tag? Thanks, 153.228.174.29 (talk) 04:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Wiki markup/Insert box
Hi there,
I'm trying to help another editor locate the Wiki markup/insert box. I personally can see mine directly above the edit summary function; on the left, there's a drop-down list with "Wiki markup", "Insert", "Symbols", "Latin", "IPA", and so forth. When I click "Wiki markup" a number of characters in code appear.
Is this the same for all users? if so, how can I demonstrate this? Thank you, —MelbourneStar☆talk 05:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- No, it's not the same for all of us. In my case the drop-down to which you refer is below the edit summary box. It may depend on various preferences including which gadgets have been selected. David Biddulph (talk) 06:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @David Biddulph: hmm that’d be right. Do you know how I can explain this to the user? Is this something visible to everyone — but just in a different spot? —MelbourneStar☆talk 06:16, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @MelbourneStar: If your "another editor" has an account and is signed in, have them make sure that the "CharInsert" box is checked under "Editing" in the Gadgets tab of their preferences. When it's checked, the editor should see the drop-down menu of special characters beneath the edit window. Deor (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @David Biddulph: hmm that’d be right. Do you know how I can explain this to the user? Is this something visible to everyone — but just in a different spot? —MelbourneStar☆talk 06:16, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
How to Access Past Wikipedia Article Archives
Hello,
The general question: Where do I find an entire entry/page/topic which seems to not exist anymore? Are these archived and accessible?
Specific: First in 2009 I looked up a page titled to the effect: "science as a religion". Revisited it after quick search a number of times in following years, possibly as late as 5 years later.
Search it now and nothing.
It was an objective article, examining the widespread use of science as a label on de facto religion. I see non reason it would be deleted, and, again, was up for years. Is it deleted because the rulers of Wikipedia, subscribers tp the religion, consider it blasphemous? That is the only reason I can imagine it would be deleted.
Where and why did it go?
Thanks, 64.98.16.29 (talk) 05:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- There was never such an article. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED and any deletion reasons would have had to comply with Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Generally, only administrators can view the content of deleted articles, but you can also try looking in the archives of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- We have Relationship between religion and science, could that be it? Scientism might also be of interest. There doesn't seem to have ever been "science as a religion" as an article title here, but if the title was slightly different it might have existed. If you can remember or guess the exact title, we can look for it. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 06:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- There is also archive.org (and others), which may have archived the article you seek. Just search there for something like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_article_with_spaces_replaced_by_underscores
. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- There is also archive.org (and others), which may have archived the article you seek. Just search there for something like
- Admittedly this is a long shot, because it's so obvious you've likely already considered it or discarded it as irrelevant, but could this be anything to do with Christian Science? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.130.19} 90.197.25.111 (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Intentionally derivative work?
If I create an image which is to show massive similarity between two copyright/trademarked individual images, will this still be considered a derivative work and be susceptible to deletion, even when the intention is to draw attention to the similarities?
For example - the logo for Electric Dreams Software and Captain EO? I'm not asking of the validity of doing such a thing, or whether it's notable, or indeed a valid use of my time - only whether the creation of such an image would fall foul of derivative - or any other copyright/Non-free usage.
Thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: you may get a quicker answer if you ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Seagull123 Φ 12:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: It is clearly a derivative work. Whether or not you can use it outside of Wikipedia under some "fair use" rationale involving research or analysis is beyond the scope of this help desk. Whether or not you can upload it to the English Wikipedia is an additional question, since our "fair use" rules are even more stringent than those in the law. I do not think you will be able to meet all ten of the requirements: see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Specifically, you cannot upload it unless it has already been published elsewhere. -Arch dude (talk) 14:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the replies - I've brought it up over at the copyright desk as suggested. Not sure why you feel it necessary to question usage outside of Wiki, when it's clear that I'm only referring to usage within, but thanks anyway. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- That wasn't clear to me, Chaheel Riens: I was also wondering whether you were talking about for Wikipedia or not. --ColinFine (talk) 15:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Chaheel Riens: While I assumed you meant Wikipedia-only, you did not say that. I covered both cases primarily to make sure you understood the difference between copyright law and Wikipedia policy. However, I also tried to answer comprehensively because (only rarely, alas) people seeking help will look at the help desk archives. -Arch dude (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the replies - I've brought it up over at the copyright desk as suggested. Not sure why you feel it necessary to question usage outside of Wiki, when it's clear that I'm only referring to usage within, but thanks anyway. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm lost
Trying use the Radio Reference page to acquire the old emergency response, police or any type of recorded communication related to my daughter passing away after a car accident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gdgoaty1 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gdgoaty1 I'm sorry to hear about your loss. This is not a general help desk, but a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. I might suggest that you contact the relevant authorities involved. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Gdgoaty1: I'm sorry for your terrible loss. I think you want Broadcastify's archives or the support system there. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
QAnon
Why is the Qanon page labelled as far right? I cannot find any evidence linking them with the far right and the article has been locked for editing so it cannot be amended. This is spreading false information and needs to be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubix1990 (talk • contribs) 10:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Cubix1990: The description appears to be sourced. Wikipedia reports on what has been written in reliable sources. The correct place to raise this is at the article talk page, which it seems you have already done. Please do not ask similar questions in multiple locations as this can cause confusion and take up the time of other volunteers. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
~~~~
.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
student assignment
i have as an assignment in my university class that students edit a woman innovators page - part of the requirement is that they submit the edits to wikipedia is there a way to confirm edits by my students? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profgolden (talk • contribs) 11:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- This isn't an exact answer to your question, but for more general help to do with student assignments on Wikipedia: if this is through the Wikipedia Education Program, there's help available here, and there's a more in-depth information page about student assignments here. Seagull123 Φ 12:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Profgolden: in addition to the above, Wikipedia:Education program/Educators is a short and complete summary. You should absolutely register your course and have your students sign on it on the Dashboard here. If you have particular questions about education assignments on Wikipedia, you might also ask them at Wikipedia:Education noticeboard.
- To answer directly your question, edits performed by a given account can be seen via the link Special:Contributions. However, this will not include edits to articles that are deleted. TigraanClick here to contact me 14:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Profgolden: each student should create a separate Wikipedia account, since the use of shared accounts is disallowed. Each edit by any Wikipedia editor is logged on the "history" page of the article. A student may therefore tell the instructor the account name and the article, and the instructor may verify that the edits occurred by checking the history page. The instructor and the student can also see any reactions by other editors, such as reversions due to lack of sourcing or copyedits to improve the result. -Arch dude (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I am confused and I need help
I wanted to put a photo on IAR 99 wikipage but I don't know what I am doing. Please help.
Explication: After I finished writing without an account in the Romanian version the Armament in it's entirety I tried to put a photo from a website that wasn't up anymore that I found through wayback machine, as there's a similar photo uploaded and at first I put the licence on unknown, but after I've finished all the mess I've done I tried to change the licence again, without knowing how, and failed. That photo was and still is on a public domain and it seems to come from a flight manual.
Please help me.
The photo that I want to upload on the IAR 99 romanian version on Armament is in this link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IAR-99_armament.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealFanin (talk • contribs) 16:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- TheRealFanin, The major problem is that you are using a picture from a source that you do not own. Thus it is almost certain that the copyright is owned by another and that it is not freely licensed. Commons has been asked to delete that upload
- Even if you create d faithful copy, that copy, because it does not differ materially from the original, is likely also to be a breach of copyright.
- Your solution is to get permission to use the picture and to submit a request, perhaps to Wikipedia, perhaps to Commons. Fiddle Faddle 17:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @TheRealFanin: Personal opinion: an image sourced from a flight manual (for a commercial product of a company) may not be likely to be "public-domain" (which has a specific legal meaning in copyright law, and is commonly mis-understood by people who think it means something like "publicly-available on a website"). However, this is the help desk for the English Wikipedia only. Since the issue seems to be about an image uploaded to Commons for use on the Romanian Wikipedia, both of which are separate projects with their own help desks, you should probably discuss the issue at those. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
info regarding afd
how will i know that i've nominated a page for deletion correctly ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iitianeditor (talk • contribs) 17:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Iitianeditor: You shouldn’t be nominating articles for deletion after having an account for two days. Nonetheless, I corrected a misspelling in your nomination and linked to the article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
~~~~
.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Charles Nordby
Charles Nordby was born on August 8th 1924 in San Francisco California to Lincoln and Doris Nordby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Nordby (talk • contribs) 18:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Jack Nordby We do not appear to have an article about Charles Nordby. I'm not sure why you felt the need to post that information about him to the help desk. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)@Jack Nordby: Wikipedia does not appear to have an article about Charles Nordby; please provide a link to an article where you might be experiencing problems and also be more specific about what help you need. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
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.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 18:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Italic entries in categories
How do you add/remove italic entries in categories?--Hse643 (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Hse643: Not 100% sure what you asking about, but an entry in italics would most probably be a redirect. Redirects are typically found in only one basic category. To add or remove you would go to the article (or redirect) and add or remove the category from it. If you are taken to the target page (I.e. the page to which the redirect points) you should find a link very near to the top of the page something like 'redirected from etc.' As I understand it, redirects should not be wholly uncategorised. Eagleash (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes I'm talking about redirects. So instead of editing the page it redirects to, I edit the redirect link?--Hse643 (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Hse643: You edit the redirect page. I.e. the page which has a heading which may be a common misspelling or an alternative name. An example would be Walter Hinshelwood, which redirects to Wally Hinshelwood. Eagleash (talk) 19:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
donations
Hi, I keep getting Wikipedia requests for a donation on my iPad, no problem, but I don't do finance on that, I use my PC instead. So I have made donations on a PC but still keep getting requests on the iPad. Do I have to use an iPad. I have more than one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therustyone (talk • contribs) 19:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Therustyone: You may set a preference to not get further donation requests. As far as I know, this affects all logins from all devices, so you cannot just suppress it from just your iPads. You may wish to suppress it everywhere and then set a separate annual reminder in your off-Wiki calendar. -Arch dude (talk) 20:32, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Therustyone: I'm guessing you are not logged-in to Wikipedia on your iPad? That would be the solution. If you're concerned about leaving your iPad logged in to your main account, this is a legitimate reason to create an alternate account for use in public. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
AlanM1, you hit the nail on the head, my smaller iPad is not logged in, no reason to log it in previously, out of the approx 7 devices I use on the internet. So Wikipedia doesn't know whose it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therustyone (talk • contribs) 07:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Donations
I guess I’m one of the 2% that has given a couple times because I appreciate your services and I give randomly due to lack of funds as in I will give more when it hits me at the time. I also give without being coerced into it. My question is do you just bombard the people who have given ? Thanks, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:8300:C620:82B:EFBD:2750:EF4C (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Good news: We do not put cookies on your computer, so we cannot track you by your IP address. Bad news: we therefore have no way to know if you have given, UNLESS you create and account and log in. If you do log in, you can tell us to quit asking you for a donation. Please do not donate unless you have the money and the desire. -Arch dude (talk) 20:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia does place cookies in your browser though you can clear them or block some of their origins (like the one for geotracking) if you use an ad blocker. I don't think they are used for tracking donors. I made a small donation some years ago and I did get a few followup solicitations (snail mail) though I wouldn't call that a bombardment. But, as Arch dude says, don't donate unless you can easily afford to. The WMF currently has plenty of funds and while it can always find ways to spend new income, in reality it did fine when it was smaller, and it has reached the point where its financial appetite begins to interfere with the Wikipedia project's mission instead of supporting it. 2602:24A:DE47:BB20:50DE:F402:42A6:A17D (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref-How to remove an incorrect reference page and correct a name
Courtesy link: Tiffany Alston
Can some tell me the steps to correct a name on WIKI? Also, how do you remove an incorrect reference page that links two different people with similar names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helpmefixthis (talk • contribs) 20:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Helpmefixthis: Please can you be a little more precise about what you wish to do and provide a link or links to pages where you need help. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
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.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC) - Helpmefixthis, this sounds like a conversation you may want to have with other editors on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Fixed the date; value used was not recognised as valid. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Admin got involved with a very minor issue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Woody#I_have_problem_with_your_recent_action Hello i am here to seek additional assistance to possibly go to that page to help resolve a issue. I know IP has right to edit, but the IP was messing up the page by disobeying guidelines. Now a admin got involved to take action to the wrong people and heavily protected the page!. HELP thank you. Kent Bargo (talk) 23:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Kent Bargo, the correct venue for administrative queries is at WP:AN. You might get a more relevant response there. Ed talk! 23:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- I seeking assistance without going ANI, Feel this simple issue that we normally fix became havoc over miscommunication. Kent Bargo (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Kent Bargo: Further miscommunication here will not improve the situation, whatever it is (I can't immediately see a problem, but I'm not an admin, and not necessarily qualified). If you have a problem with Woody's actions, and you are unable to resolve it to your satisfaction, and want to further escalate, as Woody suggested, the place to go is WP:AN or WP:ANI. You might be more clear about what it is you want the outcome to be. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- I seeking assistance without going ANI, Feel this simple issue that we normally fix became havoc over miscommunication. Kent Bargo (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Coordination between Japanese and English pages
We have some great source documents in Japanese that will be used to create Japanese edits. But a couple questions: Q. How can we know WHEN the JPN W editors will review the edits and approve them (or let them be)?
Once the JPN page is reviewed and good to go, we would like to use the same info to edit the ENG page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_forwarding Q. How can we get the JPN W editors and ENG W editors to talk so that our ENG edits don't get taken down. (Our source docs are all in Japanese, so we have no way to refer to them in ENG. The fear is that ENG W editors will take down the edits since they can't see what the source docs say. So we feel coordination between JPN W editors and ENG W editors may bridge that gap.)
Also, our source docs are NOT on the internet. Q Is there going to be a problem in using them?
Zooraccoon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zooraccoon (talk • contribs) 23:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Zooraccoon. The JA and EN Wikipedias are entirely separate projects, with different people, and potentially different policies and rules. We cannot tell you here anything at all about getting your edits on ja-wiki approved. We also will not know until you try it whether other editors will accept your edits on en-wiki, or revert them: Getting them approved on ja-wiki has no bearing at all on en-wiki: the standards of sourcing may be very different (or they may be the same: I don't know). Sources for en-wiki do not have to be online, and do not have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they are available. But the sources do have to be reliably published. Note that in general, edits to an existing article in en-wiki are not subject to any kind of approval process; but any editor can revert them according to BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 00:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Zooraccoon, there's nothing wrong with using offline sources, as long as they're reliable and independent. The JPN and ENG Wikipedias have different standards, so something that is permissible on the JPN Wikipedia may not be on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Zooraccoon: your sources do not need to be online, and they do not need to be in English. However, they do need to have been published in a way that makes them available to to general public in a library somewhere, and they must be secondary sources, not primary sources. Thus, if you have access to the private letters of Admiral Chūichi Nagumo, you cannot use them as your sources. The principle here is that some Wikipedian can in theory get access to the source based only on the citation you provide. See WP:V. When you get as far as creating the English article, I recommend that you explain and document the location of the sources in a section on the article's talk page thet references WP:V and how the sources qualify. -Arch dude (talk) 00:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Zooraccoon: Who is "we"? Each Wikipedia account must be used by only a single individual, not a group. -Arch dude (talk) 00:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
August 21
Christian Darnton
Ref numbers 3 and 7 are the same - they should be doubled up - can u do this please?. Thanks 175.33.139.143 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please see WP:REFNAME – it's really quite simple. You give the definition of the reference a name, e.g.:
<ref name="Lengnick">{{cite web ...}}</ref>
- and then, where you want to refer to it, instead of repeating the whole cite, you just use:
<ref name="Lengnick" />
- (Notice the '/' before the ending '>'.) Does this help? (Please also see MOS:ELLIPSIS for the proper use of ellipses.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Now I see that you are the one who inserted the duplicate reference. I've reverted that so it can be done properly.
- You should, instead, name the existing reference and then insert the abbreviated reference tag instead of a copy of the complete reference. That is, after the first sentence of Christian Darnton#Early life and family, the second reference is the one in question, starting:
<ref>{{cite web|title=A Heritage ...
- You should change this to:
<ref name="Lengnick">{{cite web|title=A Heritage ...
- Then, at the end of the paragraph, instead of inserting a copy of the entire citation, you would just insert:
<ref name="Lengnick" />
- I hope this helps. Let me know if this is unclear. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
News source had a different publisher at time of citing
I'm trying to fix a footnote. Could anyone please tell me what to cite for the publisher, since it's different now than when it was originally cited 11 years ago?--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Thylacine24: My opinion: if you have personally accessed the new instance/version/whatever of the source and validated the citation, then update the citation to the newest version you have accessed. If you have not accessed the new instance/version/whatever, then try your best to document the version that the original editor had access to. -Arch dude (talk) 03:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Arch dude: Thanks for responding. For the record, I had to use the Wayback Machine to access the page in question, so I guess I should go with the second option you suggested. Could you please tell me if I'm right about that? (I'm about to go to sleep, so I almost certainly won't respond for a while.)
- (Edit: I should have added an apology about the fact that I was about to go to sleep. Sorry, and sorry that I didn't add it earlier.)
- (Further edit: Added colons for indenting in previous edit note. Sorry not to have done that at first; I'm relatively new to including new spaces when adding edit notes, and I think this is the first one that wasn't an original post.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Arch dude: Okay, my OCD kept me up, so I went ahead and made the edit involving the second option. Sorry to accidentally lie about not getting back to you sooner in my response. At any rate, could you please still tell me if you think I made the right edit? Also, I just read through the source in question, and it seems to have information in it contradicting the claims of the Wikipedia article. Could you please tell me if I should just remove the citation? I don't know if I'll go to sleep now or not.
- (Edit: Added reply template; sorry not to do that earlier.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:52, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you are talking about this edit at Gary Stevens (politician), do this instead:
{{cite news |url=http://www.adn.com/2008/11/07/581574/stevens-chenault-to-lead-senate.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120509181915/http://www.adn.com/2008/11/07/581574/stevens-chenault-to-lead-senate.html |archive-date=May 9, 2012 |title=Stevens, Chenault to lead Senate, House |last=Hunter |first=Don |date=November 7, 2008 |newspaper=Anchorage Daily News |access-date=November 15, 2008}}
- Hunter, Don (November 7, 2008). "Stevens, Chenault to lead Senate, House". Anchorage Daily News. Archived from the original on May 9, 2012. Retrieved November 15, 2008.
- Anchorage Daily News is a newspaper so
{{cite news}}
and|newspaper=
- place the original url in
|url=
; it may come back to life - use
|archive-url=
and|archive-date=
for on-line sources that have been archived at wayback or other archival sites |publisher=
is rarely required for periodical citations; don't clutter the article wikitext with extraneous empty template parameters.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 10:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk: Wow, thanks for going to all that trouble. I'll try to refer back to this if I need to, assuming I can find it.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk: Fixed number of indentation colons in previous reply. Sorry about that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:18, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you are talking about this edit at Gary Stevens (politician), do this instead:
Sushant Singh Rajput Death Related
Sushant Singh death still a mystery. He Suicide or Murder we don't know yet. But in your record Its show Suicide by hanging i think the CBI investigation is still on and you must change it it's my request please change Death Reason Of Sushant Singh Rajput — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.252.224.175 (talk) 07:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Please click here to see previous discussions on this subject (assuming you're not one of the people who have previously posted here, and have already seen the answer). You might also see Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput and contribute to the latest discussion there if you like. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Changing user name
How do I change my user name CPDeLisi (talk) 14:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Changing username. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- CPDeLisi, the block reason you were given on your talk page also provides steps to changing your username. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @CPDeLisi: That is, at User talk:CPDeLisi#August 2020. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Leader of the Opposition (British Columbia)
- Leader of the Opposition (British Columbia) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
How do you fix the cite error in the Notes section? Isaidnoway (talk) 15:11, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Isaidnoway: I have the feeling that there's a problem with mixing named, list-defined notes and un-named inline notes. I moved the three named notes up into inline position and solved the problem. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Stamma BSA 1 and the British Stammering Association
Not quite sure about this one. Stamma BSA 1 appears to represent the British Stammering Association. Looks as if they have a current piece of marketing involving changes to Wikipedia where discriminatory language was used in articles about people who stammer: it's explained in their contribution here. They have declared a CoI on their user page. Bit uncomfortable about some of this, such as their mention of their marketing organisation in this earlier version of their user page. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 15:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Draft re AFL player
Hi. I am trying to get help regarding the editing of my article. It has been edited 8 times but I’m not sure what to do next? Thanks My user name is Collingwood supporter. The article is a Draft. Jye Bolton Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collingwood supporter (talk • contribs) 16:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Presumably you intended to link to Draft:Jye Bolton? Your first step is see whether the subject is notable by Wikipedia's definition, particularly the criteria at WP:NAFL. If so, you need to include the relevant references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. You can find further advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Translation of Wikipedia articls in Indian Regional Langauge--Marathi
Dear Sir I, Chandrashekhar p.Murgudkar age 60,Engineer and valuer/Project feasibility consultant residing at Kolhapur, Maharashtra,India.
in addition to my profession,I am translator. I translate English books in my State Official language --Marathi . My 14 translated books have been published so far. I am Hollywood Cinema lover. I am writing one book on 16 selected movies like-Cool hand luck/Silence/High and Low etc. I am following many movies. So Now i am thinking of translating Wikipedia Cinema pages in my language i.e. Marathi, but of course with your valuable permissions/stipulated guidelines. So that my marathi page will be uploaded by your valuable organization on wikipedia. This will help marathi Wikipedia readers and the will be in better position to understand the the plot of movie and other related things. Pl communicate in this matter Thanking you Yours faithfully
Chandrashekhar p.Murgudkar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.14.104 (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your offer to help. You do not need any permissions from anyone here at the English Wikipedia to translate our article into Marathi. Each language Wikipedia, including the Marathi one, is a separate project with separate rules and administration, so you will need to work with the folks on that Wikipedia. If you were translating into the English Wikipedia, you would first read Wikipedia:Translation. The Marathi Wikipedia probably has a similar page: look for it in the "languages" list on the left sidebar of that page. Failing that, read our page for general guidance and then ask at the help desk on the Marathi Wikipedia. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- In addition to what Arch dude has said, Chandrashekhar, WP:Translate us gives general guidance for translating into other languages. But I would echo what Arch dude said about making sure you understand what mr-wiki's requirements are. --ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Adding Company President/CEO Info on Wikipedia
Hi - I hope everyone is well and staying safe! I work for an engineering and supply chain company (https://www.mesinc.net/about-us/), out of Columbus, Ohio. Our CEO has expressed interest in creating a WIKI page for himself (from education to owning his own company, to his global charitable foundations). Can you please tell me the process I need to follow in order to have the information public? We've written a complete bio and unsure if we 'upload the file' or if there was something different we should do. Any guidance would greatly be appreciated. Thank you!
Zach Hamner — Preceding unsigned comment added by MESINC2007 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @MESINC2007: there are several steps.
- Ybandon your user account and set up a new one with a name that does not look like a company name. See WP:USERNAME.
- You are what we call a "paid editor". read and comply with WP:PAID.
- Each Wikipedia article must be about a notable subject, by our definition. Read and understand WP:N. Really. I mean it. We delete more than a hundred articles each day because someone with good intentions went to a lot of work to write an article about a non-notable subject.
- If your subject is notable, you will have found several good references. Don't mess this up. Please read WP:CSMN. Don't skip this step.
- If you get this far, then find and read several WP articles on a similar subject to get a feel for what they should look like. Pick one you like and use it as a worked example.
- Go read WP:YFA and create your draft article.
- Good luck! I know this looks intimidating, but if he's notable, we want the article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- I will add, MESINC2007, that you are likely to have to throw away much of what you have written, because you will probably have written it from information he has given you, and said what he would like it to say. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say, or in what his associates or employees say about him. It is only interested in what people wholly unconnected with him (and unprompted by interviews or press releases) have chosen to publish about him in reliable sources. That is why Arch dude emphasised the references: if you can't find them, then he is not notable (in Wikipedia's sense of the word) and no article will be accepted however it is written. If you can find them, then you can create an article almost entirely from what those independent reliable sources say. Unpublished information may not go in a Wikipedia article, period. Information published only in non-independent sources (such as the company's website) may be used in limited ways only. And please be aware that once the article is accepted into Wikipedia, neither you nor he will have control over the contents: you will be welcome to suggest changes to it, but it is a consensus of uninvolved editors who decide what is appropriate for the article, not the subject. This may sound even more intimidating than what Arch dude said; but while we want an article about him if he is notable, you are not the ideal person to write it, because of your conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk)
- @MESINC2007: If your CEO wants you to continue with this, You might ask him to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If he does, at least he will have been warned if there are unforeseen consequences. -Arch dude (talk) 21:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Alan Sugar and Kevin Wheatcroft seem to me to be quite good examples of the genre. Is this the kind of article you want to write?Spinney Hill (talk) 08:18, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
candidates, election dates, and the main page
How would a stupid person find the policy on articles related to candidates appearing on the main page in the runup to an election? Asking for a friend. —valereee (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Valereee:I don't know about "policy", but take a look at item 7 in Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page. -Arch dude (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Help with publishing a Draft
Courtesy link: Draft:Jye Bolton
Hi. I have added verifiable references to my edited drat page and need to know the next step My user name is Collingwood supporter. The draft is titled Jye Bolton. I think it is now ready to be accepted. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collingwood supporter (talk • contribs) 22:29, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Collingwood supporter, to submit your draft for reivew, please add the code
{{subst:submit}}
to the top of your draft, and it should be reviewed shortly. However, you probably want to add more references (three with significant coverage is a good guideline to start with), and as you are writing about a living person, you will want to add inline citation for most (especially contentious, or possibly so) material. See Help:Referencing for beginners for a good guide. LittlePuppers (talk) 22:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
August 22
class assignment using student sandboxes
Hello,
I would like to have my students work in their personal sandboxes on Wikipedia style articles. The content in their sandboxes may not be up to current Wikipedia standards for articles. I would like confirmation that clicking the Publish Changes button in their personal sandbox for a draft Wikipedia-like article will not cause it to be reviewed and deleted by anyone else.
Thank you, Laura Palumbo
--Libpal (talk) 01:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Libpal, that is correct. LittlePuppers (talk) 01:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Libpal, you'll be fine. There was some legal mumbo-jumbo that ended up with what used to be "Save changes" being turned into "Publish changes". It won't be in the article mainspace, so there's no problem. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @LittlePuppers: The sandbox space is not beyond review. If it is found to contain unallowed content (copyright or WP:BLP violations as examples), it will be subject to deletion. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- RudolfRed - true, thanks for clarifying. Hopefully students aren't putting copyvio or personal attacks in their schoolwork, however. LittlePuppers (talk) 03:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Libpal: This use of Wikipedia is not allowed under the strictest interpretation of our policies and guidelines: see WP:NOT. However, if the student picks a subject that is even remotely defensible under our notability definition, then the resulting article might eventually be acceptable in Wikipedia, and that makes this an allowable use. So: the student's subject should not be a classmate or his school lacrosse team. See if your students might be interested in one of the subjects in Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. Those are all probably notable. In earlier times, if an article's subject was notable, and the article has sufficient citations to demonstrate notability, then the article was allowed to be placed directly into Wikipedia, no matter how poorly written. Today, we prefer that articles be submitted for review (see WP:YFA), but the old policy is still in place. Thus, the only real requirement is to find a few good references. See WP:N for how to do this. See WP:CSMN for how not to do this. -Arch dude (talk) 03:35, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Libpal: I don't know anything about it, but earlier on this page, someone mentioned The Test Wiki, which may be appropriate if the work is not likely/intended to be suitable as a Wikipedia article. Even sandboxes are subject to some policies and scrutiny. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:44, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Libpal: Please read Wikipedia:Student_assignments for further guidance on using Wikipedia as a school project. RudolfRed (talk) 05:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you @RudolfRed:@LittlePuppers:@Tenryuu: @AlanM1:@Arch dude: My assignment asks students to write Wikipedia style articles (with references) in their sandboxes about some of the women faculty at my institution, and these may or may not meet the requirements for notability. I ask the students to leave the articles in their sandboxes for this and other reasons, one of my objectives is simply to get them familiar with editing in Wikipedia. At the end of the course they can submit their article for review, if they wish. Last year a student lost her sandbox draft, and I wasn't sure if it was deleted intentionally or it was something she did or didn't do. From your responses, it sounds to me like an article in a sandbox should not be subject to review and deletion for not meeting the notability requirement, is that correct? Thanks again, Libpal (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Libpal. That's nearly right, but if they're left there for six months or more they may get deleted according to criterion G13. The other point I'll make is about "Hopefully students aren't putting copyvio ... in their schoolwork": inexperienced editors sometimes start working on an article by copying chunks of existing work into a sandbox or draft, thinking that because they're going to rewrite it, this is OK. It isn't, and I think that's partly why "Save changes" was renamed "Publish changes". Every page of Wikipedia, including user pages, sandboxes, and drafts, is public, and therefore published, and copyright violations are not permitted anywhere, even if they're intended to be only temporary. --ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks @ColinFine: that helps quite a bit! Libpal (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Libpal: Not quite correct. We are deliberately chaotic and not formally organized. Any one of the 100,000 or so active Wikipedia editors could choose to propose deletion based on the strictest and narrowest interpretation of our policies using the MFD process, not the G13 speedy deletion process, and unless your student can make a defensible case for notability, the "sandbox" could be deleted. I think this is unlikely, but it's not impossible. Please consider looking at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red to find notable women who lack Wikipedia articles. Don't get me wrong: I think you goals and your approach are great. But we have a set of policies and guidelines that taken as a whole say that the purpose of editing Wikipedia is to build an encyclopedia, and it is not to be used for other purposes, so there is basically nothing to stop someone from invoking these policies. -Arch dude (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Libpal: If you know the user whose draft was deleted, it's not too hard to find out why it was deleted. LittlePuppers (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Someone is using Wikipedia to libel me and reveal the location of my home
Courtesy link: Jeff Wadlow
Hi there, my name is Jeff Wadlow and I'm a filmmaker. Someone is trolling me and is adding slanderous comments about me to my bio and the location of my home. Is there anyone to stop her from doing this? Thanks so much. Jeff Wadlow Rugby714 (talk) 03:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- The user in question has been blocked and their edits deleted from public viewing. As an additional precautionary measure I've also applied temporary semi-protection on the page so that anonymous and new users can't edit the page. bibliomaniac15 03:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia's stance on essay summaries?
I'm currently copy editing an article, In Praise of Polytheism, where there is a "Summary" section dedicated to summarising the contents of the essay. As it is, it currently seems as if it is written in Wikipedia's voice which doesn't seem okay, but I can't find anything related to the subject over at the pages listed at WP:SUMMARY as to if that is allowed. Input is most appreciated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: Wikipedia:WikiProject Books/Non-fiction article might be the closest thing we have to guidance on this. There's also the essay Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary, but that relates specifically to plot summaries of fictional works. You could also look at how Good Articles and Featured Articles on similar topics are written: for example, to pick a couple at random, Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics or Theory of Literature. The summary in In Praise of Polytheism looks entirely fine to me – I'm not sure it seems to be "in Wikipedia's voice". Perhaps you could clarify? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
An editor keep adding wrong content on the article
Hi i am a new editor. I have improved an article Bhirrana and added sources such as published article from sources such as Nature, Archaeological Survey of India. An editor probably a senior/old one, who keep adding a table of phase chronology which is not based on Bhirrana excavation. I raised issue in Talk page but he failed to provide any source or response on last section of Bhirrana Talk page. He added the correct Bhirrana chronology as a note and re-added his non-Bhirrana phase chronology to the wiki page. Which is a chronology which does not belong to the Bhirrana excavation. Please advice how can I resolve this issue as I am new editor.--Havimel (talk) 11:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Colouring the code in my user page notes about a non-breaking space
Dear experts,
I would like to colour the visible code for a non-breaking space at the end of the following line (i.e., the characters between the quotation marks) ...
{{nbsp}} is an alias for "& nbsp;"
... in the same orange colour as the code at the beginning of the line.
You may notice that I've inserted the code for a hair space – that's only because, with my limited knowledge, it was the only way I could get the code to display at all here. If it's possible, I would prefer not to have the hair space in there – i.e., I'd prefer just the standard code for a non-breaking space – but I won't be fussed if I have to include it: all that counts is for me to see it in orange.
(Orange is the colour I use for templates, tags and code on my User page, which matches one of a number of colours and shades that I use in my article drafts in Word. I use colour in this way on my user page easier to make code more quickly accessible.)
The solution has eluded me! I'd appreciate your help on how to do this. Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 11:14, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Please suggest Wikiproject templates in Biochemistry/Cancer/Gastroenterology to have this draft revised - Draft:Scott Waldman
Please suggest Wikiproject templates in Biochemistry/Cancer/Gastroenterology to have this draft revised - Draft:Scott Waldman . Thank you. Neuralia (talk) 14:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia consider Alaeddin Pasha 1 or 2 people?
Hello Wikipedia,
Recently I made an edit to the "Alaeddin Pasha" Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaeddin_Pasha), because in the section about his life it talks about him being the first Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire. I removed this section because there is a link to a second Alaeddin Pasha in the beginning, who is clarified as a second person who actually held this title (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaeddin_Pasha_(vizier) ). After I had made what I thought to be a correction, I was contacted by a User name Serols who said they had undone my correction because it was not "constructive". I will put the full text of his comment as the next paragraph.
"Hello, I'm Serols. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Alaeddin Pasha—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Serols (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)"
That is why I am creating this question article now. I assure that I'm not someone of malicious intent trying to mess with an article, but someone who just viewed what they saw as a discrepancy and tried to fix it. I just wanted to know if Wikipedia took the stance that there was in fact only one Alaeddin Pasha, which "Alaeddin Pasha (vizier)" alludes. "Some sources claim that Alaaeddin Pasha was Orhan's brother.[3] Although Orhan had a brother named Alaeddin Pasha, brother Alaeddin and vizier Alaeddin are usually not believed to be the same person.[2]" If Wikipedia does not take this stance, I believe that the references to Alaeddin Pasha (First son of Osman 1) being Grand Vizier should be removed. Probably by someone with more clout, as to make sure the change is permanent. I hope to hear information about this soon.
Sincerely, Anonymous
- Thanks for trying to help, and please don't get discouraged. Your edit was reverted by a vandal fighter using a semi-automated tool. The message is a stock message generated by the tool. Those folks are badly overworked and sometimes make mistakes. Your edit was a deletion of a large block of text by an anonymous user without an explanation in the edit summary. Those three characteristics taken together are almost always vandalism even though this was not true in this case. Please do the following: Add a section on the talk page explaining your proposed change, then make the change again, but this time add an edit summary like "wrong person. see talk page." You might also consider creating an account. an account makes you even more anonymous, since without one we must use your IP address and that IP address provides some information about you. -Arch dude (talk) 16:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, I'll see if it works!
Report an edit rejection made by someone who doesn't know the facts
Hello, I recently got a message that one of my edits was rejected in an article. It is the talk under the code User talk:190.141.247.136
The edit was in the article 'History of the Jews in Latin America and the Caribbean' in which a user called Serols rejected an edit I made. The Edit was made because under Panama, the text mentions a city called 'Columbus', and said city does not exist. Its name is 'Cólón', and Columbus is a misinformed literal translation of that name. The user who rejected my edit clearly does not know enough of Latin America for this rejection. Please reverse this action as this user is spreading misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.141.247.136 (talk) 18:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi IP user - the burden of proof in this case is on you - that it is indeed that name, as noted in reliable sources. This, however is a content dispute, so you'd be better to discuss on the talk page of the article in question, rather than just revert the edit. Pinging Serols for courtesy. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Lee. Have a good Saturday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.141.247.136 (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- I have wikilinked all the city names in that section of the article, not just Colón. Somebody should do the same throughout the article, IMHO. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref
August 22, 2020. I cannot correct this error. Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref and 2020 in Mali.Calmecac5 (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Changing an article name
Hi there, there's an article that is called Jubilee station (Calgary), but the station name is actually SAIT/AUArts/Jubilee. There is a redirect if you try to type SAIT/AUArts/Jubilee. I don't know exactly how to fix this, because the station isn't really called Jubilee station, I've never heard anyone call it that. If anything it'd be SAIT station. I tried to move it, but I think the redirect blocks me from doing it? I don't know. --MattBinYYC (talk) 22:04, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Beirut Blast
The article on Beirut blast contains misinformation that had long been rectified. Please alter the part mentioning the cause of the blast being "firework", which was clarified repeatedly as not being the cause because investigation is still pending. Please treat this as a timely manner as a copy of your information will be sent to officials to look closely into this issue. Please be as accurate as possible and only publish information that has been supported with data. Again, investigation is still ongoing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C4:4081:F40:A167:B6E4:69D5:D9D6 (talk) 23:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm going to treat this "a copy of your information will be sent to officials to look closely into this issue" as a threat of legal action. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:17, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
correct misinformation in wikipedia on La Dame aux Camélias.
This sentence is flawed & incorrect: "Some scholars believe that both the fictional Marguerite's illness and real life Duplessis's publicized cause of death, "consumption", was a 19th-century euphemism for tuberculosis, as opposed to the more common meaning of tuberculosis". The sentence should replaced by: "When the story was incorporated into La Traviata by Giuseppe Verde, he named his opera 'La Traviata' or 'The lady who was led astray' since Tuberculosis or consumption as it was commonly known in 1850 and later was felt by many people to be a result of sinful behavior, ascribed to Marguerite's life as a courtesan."
Background. You don't have to be a scholar to use the term "consumption". This was the term used by everyone to describe tuberculosis for 2000 years (or phthisis) and in the 19th century & is still used today in historical discussions. "Consumption" was & is a lay term for TB. More important, the story of Marguerite was put to music in Verdi's "La Traviata" opera in Italy, which is widely known. Infrequently acknowledged, however, is that 'La Traviata' in Italian means 'a lady who has gone or was led astray' This is important as in 1850 Italy where La Traviata was written, the infectious cause of TB was not yet proven. Although, TB was legally felt to be contagious in 1725 Naples, for example, it was widely believed in 1850 that consumption was a punishment or the result of sinful behavior, thus "La Traviata" It was only in the 1860's that Villemin in France demonstrated that it was a transmissible disease & in the 1882' the Germ257an doctor Robert Koch proved it was due to an acid fast bacillus, later called the tuberculous bacillus (1).
Verdi knew what he was doing, but American audiences rarely know this very important part of history on which Verdi's view of her illness is founded. Yossef Aelony, MD. Clinical Professor of Pulmonary Disease, Harbor UCLA Tuberculosis Clinician for the city of Long Beach257, California
Reference: 1. Textbook of Pulmonary Disease, Baum et al. 1974, p257. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaelony (talk • contribs) 00:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)