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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
Discussions awaiting closure
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CfD | 0 | 0 | 7 | 150 | 43 | 200 |
TfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 9 | 15 |
MfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 9 |
FfD | 0 | 19 | 2 | 16 | 1 | 38 |
AfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 38 | 38 |
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 5 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 4 (12 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 3 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 2 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 1 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 31 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 30 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 29 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 27 (20 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 26 (8 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 25 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 24 (9 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 23 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 22 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 19 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 18 (16 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 17 (11 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 16 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 15 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 14 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 13 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 12 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 11 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 10 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 9 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 8 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 7 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 6 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 5 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 4 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 30 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 28 (3 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
Nomination procedure
Twinkle
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
Manual nominations
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd-notify|Category name|2020 August 13|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion but, unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- This criterion is also used to add a disambiguator to a category name, even when the main article is not the primary topic of its name, but no other topics are likely to have an eponymous category
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.) If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 17:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC). Currently, there are 225 open requests (. )
Current requests
- Category:People educated at Whakatane High School to Category:People educated at Whakatāne High School – C2D: per head article Whakatāne High School. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Whakatane to Category:Whakatāne – C2D: per head article Whakatāne, moved to current title in Marc 2020 by User:Schwede66 per https://gazetteer.linz.govt.nz/place/47954. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mass media in Whakatane to Category:Mass media in Whakatāne
- Category:Mayors of Whakatane to Category:Mayors of Whakatāne
- Category:People educated at Whakatane High School to Category:People educated at Whakatāne High School
- Category:People from Whakatane to Category:People from Whakatāne
- Category:Rugby union players from Whakatane to Category:Rugby union players from Whakatāne
- Category:Sport in Whakatane to Category:Sport in Whakatāne
- Category:Sportspeople from Whakatane to Category:Sportspeople from Whakatāne
- Category:501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations to Category:501(c)(3) organizations – C2D: per main article 501(c)(3) organization. 1857a (talk) 15:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kirby platform games to Category:Kirby (series) platform games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kirby video games to Category:Kirby (series) video games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kirby media files to Category:Kirby (series) media files – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kirby characters to Category:Kirby (series) characters – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Wario media files to Category:Wario (series) media files – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Wario games to Category:Wario (series) games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Wario to Category:Wario (series) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mario templates to Category:Mario (franchise) templates – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mario media files to Category:Mario (franchise) media files – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mario music to Category:Mario (franchise) music – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mario enemies to Category:Mario (franchise) enemies – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Mario characters to Category:Mario (franchise) characters – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People from Epe to Category:People from Epe, Netherlands – C2D Epe, Netherlands, dabbing from a Nigerian one Le Deluge (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Reggio Audace F.C. to Category:A.C. Reggiana 1919 – C2D Nehme1499 (talk) 18:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kingdom of Hawaii people to Category:Hawaiian Kingdom people – C2D, main article is at Hawaiian Kingdom: shortly after the close of last year's successful article RM discussion, the top level cat was speedy-moved to Category:Hawaiian Kingdom, but none of the subsidiary cats were moved (and seeing how many there are, now I know why: give me a bit to get them all nom'd/tagged). UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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- All have now been tagged. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Creative Technology Limited to Category:Creative Technology – C2D, article has been at Creative Technology for 3 years. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Screenplays by Sooni Taraporevala to Category:Films with screenplays by Sooni Taraporevala – C2C: per CFD –xenotalk 14:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Screenplays by Farhat Ishtiaq to Category:Films with screenplays by Farhat Ishtiaq
- Category:Screenplays by the Coen brothers to Category:Films with screenplays by the Coen brothers
- Category:Screenplays by Joan Rivers to Category:Films with screenplays by Joan Rivers
- Category:Screenplays by Edoardo Mulargia to Category:Films with screenplays by Edoardo Mulargia
- Category:Screenplays by William Boyd to Category:Films with screenplays by William Boyd
- Category:Amusement park rides lists to Category:Amusement rides lists – C2C: per parent Category:Amusement rides. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:The Witcher video games to Category:The Witcher (video game series) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Souls series to Category:Souls (series) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Diablo video games to Category:Diablo (series) video games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 13:01, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Diablo media files to Category:Diablo (series) media files – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 13:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Buddhist organisations based in Japan to Category:Buddhist organizations based in Japan – C2C: convention in Category:organizations based in Japan. Oculi (talk) 11:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Buddhist organisations based in Thailand to Category:Buddhist organizations based in Thailand – C2C: The rest of the Category:Organizations based in Thailand tree uses the Oxford spelling. Paul_012 (talk) 10:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Fuji Television dramas to Category:Fuji TV dramas – C2C: parent category was just renamed. Gonnym (talk) 08:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Space (TV channel) to Category:CTV Sci-Fi Channel – C2D per CTV Sci-Fi Channel Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bravo (Canada) to Category:CTV Drama Channel – C2D per CTV Drama Channel Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Pride parades in Poland to Category:Equality marches in Poland – C2D: See equality marches in Poland, in Poland these events are called "equality marches" in order to emphasize that the organizers want equal rights. (t · c) buidhe 21:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon, I agree with @buidhe: this category should use the actual name used in Poland. So it's a valid C2D nomination, with a valid valid C2C-based objection. This needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peace mechanism to Category:Peace process – C2D per Peace process Brandmeistertalk 18:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peace process was originally named Category:Peace mechanism for a good reason. Please restore the category name to Category:Peace mechanism. I'm not an admin so I can't.
- Category:Peace processes is for peace processes such as Category:Bangsamoro peace process (8 P), Category:Basque Country peace process (3 P), Category:Bosnian peace process (6 P).
- Readers will get totally confused if individual peace mechanisms are categorised as elements of Category:Peace process, because that is not normally a category - it's a specific realisation of a peace process. What you have done is the equivalent of categorising city, province, constituent stategovernment, culture as elements of Category:Country. It's true that countries almost always have cities, governments and cultures, and often have provinces and constituent states; but Category:Country was deleted 11 years ago.
- Thanks. Boud (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- This was processed but belatedly opposed at User_talk:JJMC89. I copied the above opposition rationale from there and am reversing the move.
- I suggest that Category:Peace mechanisms (plural) would be an improvement, and allowable as C2A. – Fayenatic London 21:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- "Peacebuilding" would not be a good choice. The terminology in the general field is not well standardised, but I put a lot of effort in trying to sort this out based on WP:RS in peace process after previous editors hadn't seemed to realise that it's not enough to declare definitions of words, they have to be really adopted by sources. According to the United Nations, "peacebuilding" is the prevention of the repeat of a solved conflict, though it can also mean the preventing of an armed conflict from occurring at all. This excludes mechanisms for solving an existing conflict. "Peacebuilding" does not apply to Donbass or Libya because the conflicts are ongoing. So Category:Peacebuilding would defeat the point of listing the specific elements for preventing, solving, or preventing reccurrence of armed inter- or intrastate conflicts. The peacebuilding article is quite poor in terms of inline referencing, but the present text seems to match the UN sourced definition.
- Between Category:Peace mechanisms and Category:Peace mechanism, I'm not familiar enough with current Category guidelines to have a strong argument. A random check on Special:AllPages/Category:Hk suggests that plurals are preferred in similar cases, so Category:Peace mechanisms seems fine by me.
- There might be a better term than "peace mechanisms" for the specific elements used in peace processes, but I'm not aware of it (ordinary English such as "components of peace processes" or "elements of peace processes" would make sense, but "peace mechanisms" seems to be the most common). Some references in favour of the term include Article 9 of the Japanese constitution, water management (MSc thesis), Cornell Policy Review "peace mechanisms such as truth commissions, reparations, and memorialization", Section 2.3.1 of this Nepal peacebuilding analysis lists specific peace mechanisms.
- Boud (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. Splitting between a new Category:War ending and Category:Peacebuilding would be my next proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peacebuilding would not work here because it's an "-ing" word - it's about more synthetic (WP:RS) overviews of processes, not about particular concrete elements of them. The present elements of Category:Peacebuilding are wider topics than individual mechanisms. Many of the specific elements (mechanisms) are components both to solve existing conflicts and to prevent conflicts from occurring or recurring: e.g. arms embargoes and confidence-building measures. "War ending" is also an -ing expression, with the same problem. I don't see an objection in principle of having two sub-categories of Category:peace mechanism or Category:peace mechanisms, but it seems a bit premature to me, and I think the focus on individual things/pieces - mechanisms - will reduce the number of fuzzy categorisations. Better wait until we have more contributions/contributors before sub-categorising. Boud (talk) 20:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Coudenhove-Kalergi to Category:Coudenhove-Kalergi family – C2C: I have moved the anchor article to Coudenhove-Kalergi family Rathfelder (talk) 15:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion?Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chotek to Category:Chotek family – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion?Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Songs written by Arnthor Birgisson to Category:Songs written by Arnþór Birgisson – WP:C2D. --83.250.95.80 (talk) 13:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for the moment, I have just put up the recent move of article up for discussion. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- On further investigation the move was made by a blocked editor (for moving articles) and I have reverted the article move. The article is now back at Arnthor Birgisson. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for the moment, I have just put up the recent move of article up for discussion. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:KK Dunav Stari Banovci players to Category:OKK Dunav players – C2D per OKK Dunav --IndexAccount (talk) 05:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy The main article was only moved today and without discussion, so C2D doesn't apply. (BTW the category wasn't tagged either). Armbrust The Homunculus 08:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Toyoda Gosei Trefuerza players to Category:Wolf Dogs Nagoya players – C2B: per Wolf Dogs Nagoya. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) album covers to Category:Madonna album covers – C2D: Madonna, parent cat, Category:Madonna ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- The category was moved without discussion (a cut and paste move) which shouldn't have happened per C2D which says that even if the article is stable or moved as a result of express consensus the category can't be moved under C2D. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- I've reverted the addition of the entertainer to the base name category (which is once again a DAB) the entertainer's category is still at Category:Madonna (entertainer). Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Song recordings produced by Madonna (entertainer) to Category:Song recordings produced by Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Albums produced by Madonna (entertainer) to Category:albums produced by Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna interviews to Category:Madonna interviews – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Madonna (entertainer) to Category:Films directed by Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Books by Madonna (entertainer) to Category:Books by Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) video albums to Category:Madonna video albums – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) soundtracks to Category:Madonna soundtracks – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) remix albums to Category:Madonna remix albums – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) live albums to Category:Madonna live albums – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) EPs to Category:Madonna EPs – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) compilation albums to Category:Madonna compilation albums – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) albums to Category:Madonna albums – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) tributes to Category:Madonna tributes – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Images of Madonna (entertainer) to Category:Images of Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cultural depictions of Madonna (entertainer) to Category:Cultural depictions of Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) concert tours to Category:Madonna concert tours – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) concerts to Category:Madonna concerts – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Books about Madonna (entertainer) to Category:Books about Madonna – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Madonna (entertainer) audio samples to Category:Madonna audio samples – C2D. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose all these - Madonna (disambiguation) is quite obviously ambiguous so C2D does not apply. Oculi (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose all these. As Oculi rightly notes, Madonna (disambiguation) is quite obviously ambiguous so C2D does not apply. I am surprised that Justin made such a clearly flawed nomination.
Substantively, I oppose creating avoidable ambiguity in category titles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)- @BrownHairedGirl: I'm surpised that you think the Theotokos may have directed films or that we have an audio samples of the Queen of Angels. I think that categoris and articles should have the same names and that if these should ever differ, it should be in extraordinary cirucmstances (e.g. with titles that are plurals). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin, I accept with great regret that some editors think that popular culture trumps 2000 years of history, which is why the article has been renamed in a move more appropriate for a fanzine than an encyclopedia. That's no surprise to me; it's just another part of the growing trend of en.wp diverging from the scholarly sources which are the gold standard of WP:RS, as the editor base become increasingly dominated by editors with little interest in scholarly rigour.
I also acknowledge that some editors have so little regard for history that they think that Category:Books about Madonna, Category:Cultural depictions of Madonna, Category:Images of Madonna etc should refer to a living entertainer rather than 2000 years of history and a mountain of notable religious literature and art. But that against the encyclopedia's capture by tabloid culture is an argument for a full discussion. The surprise which I expressed above is at a much narrower pint: the fact that a highly-experienced Justin made a nomination based on WP:C2D when C2D clearly does not apply. That is not a good use of anyone's time. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)- @BrownHairedGirl: "That is not a good use of anyone's time." I literally thought the same thing when I saw that you pinged me on an opposed speedy renomination that didn't require my attention or input. I don't understand why I was pinged or what you expect me to add here. I didn't move the main category or article: I just saw that there was an inconsistency that should be fixed. What is gained by your comment, ping, and the subsequent discussion? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin, the potential gain is that you might in future study the seedy criteria more carefully, and refrain from wasting everyone's time making speedy nominations which clearly don't meet the specified criterion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Oh, okay. Don't do that again if that's all you're going for on a discussion that is dead. Thanks anyway. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- On the contrary, if an experienced editor makes a big group nomination which both fails the speedy criteria and promotes an approach which tramples over history, I probably will post another reminder like that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Sounds like a great plan, just don't do it to me. Leave me out of it. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's up to you, Justin. If you want to, you can choose to leave yourself of it by not making this sort of speedy nomination. Your call. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Whether or not you ping me after I told you to leave me out of it is actually not my call. If you feel like you can't abide by that simple request, you may wish to expedite the retirement you've been threatening for the past 18 months. I'm happy to have you around but not happy to be harassed by you. I won't be looking at this conversation further, so any response to this would only be for your own benefit. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Justin, I try to always ping the nominator when I object to a speedy nom, and I won't stop that. I stopped pinging you in this thread after you objected. If you think that amounts to harassment, go get a dictionary. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Whether or not you ping me after I told you to leave me out of it is actually not my call. If you feel like you can't abide by that simple request, you may wish to expedite the retirement you've been threatening for the past 18 months. I'm happy to have you around but not happy to be harassed by you. I won't be looking at this conversation further, so any response to this would only be for your own benefit. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's up to you, Justin. If you want to, you can choose to leave yourself of it by not making this sort of speedy nomination. Your call. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Sounds like a great plan, just don't do it to me. Leave me out of it. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- On the contrary, if an experienced editor makes a big group nomination which both fails the speedy criteria and promotes an approach which tramples over history, I probably will post another reminder like that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Oh, okay. Don't do that again if that's all you're going for on a discussion that is dead. Thanks anyway. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin, the potential gain is that you might in future study the seedy criteria more carefully, and refrain from wasting everyone's time making speedy nominations which clearly don't meet the specified criterion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: "That is not a good use of anyone's time." I literally thought the same thing when I saw that you pinged me on an opposed speedy renomination that didn't require my attention or input. I don't understand why I was pinged or what you expect me to add here. I didn't move the main category or article: I just saw that there was an inconsistency that should be fixed. What is gained by your comment, ping, and the subsequent discussion? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin, I accept with great regret that some editors think that popular culture trumps 2000 years of history, which is why the article has been renamed in a move more appropriate for a fanzine than an encyclopedia. That's no surprise to me; it's just another part of the growing trend of en.wp diverging from the scholarly sources which are the gold standard of WP:RS, as the editor base become increasingly dominated by editors with little interest in scholarly rigour.
- @BrownHairedGirl: I'm surpised that you think the Theotokos may have directed films or that we have an audio samples of the Queen of Angels. I think that categoris and articles should have the same names and that if these should ever differ, it should be in extraordinary cirucmstances (e.g. with titles that are plurals). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose all these. As Oculi rightly notes, Madonna (disambiguation) is quite obviously ambiguous so C2D does not apply. I am surprised that Justin made such a clearly flawed nomination.
- Oppose all these - Madonna (disambiguation) is quite obviously ambiguous so C2D does not apply. Oculi (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- The category was moved without discussion (a cut and paste move) which shouldn't have happened per C2D which says that even if the article is stable or moved as a result of express consensus the category can't be moved under C2D. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:TV Excelsior to Category:Rede Excelsior – C2D per Rede Excelsior Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:TV Excelsior shows to Category:Rede Excelsior shows
- Looking at the page, the pt.wiki version and images on google, it would seems that the actual name is "TV Excelsior" which means the article is incorrect. --Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Held pending RM at Talk:Rede Excelsior. – Fayenatic London 22:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at the page, the pt.wiki version and images on google, it would seems that the actual name is "TV Excelsior" which means the article is incorrect. --Gonnym (talk) 09:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:TV Excelsior shows to Category:Rede Excelsior shows
- Category:La Red shows to Category:La Red (Chilean TV channel) shows – per Category:La Red (Chilean TV channel)/La Red (Chilean TV channel) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hold until this RM concludes. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hold until this RM concludes. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:North Macedonian politicians to Category:Macedonian politicians. - WP:C2B. There's a naming convention in place which clearly establishes 'Macedonian' as the term for nationality. The policy was based on a wide consensus established by a RfC. A recent local consensus - [1] was obviously not aware of this and changed the name of the category. --FlavrSavr (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy @FlavrSavr: firstly, the category was moved through full CfD discussion, which closed today, so you could contact the closer and ask them to reconsider their close. Secondly Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) says "Article names, categories, and templates should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred", which suggests a move to Category:Politicians of North Macedonia. Category:North Macedonian politicians by party should be nominated as well. Also, the category has not been tagged for speedy renaming. TSventon (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @TSventon: Thanks. So I should contact bibliomaniac15? BTW, that particular sentence has been hotly contested even post formulation of the policy. The 'nationality' part wasn't. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FlavrSavr: yes, see the lead of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. I would suggest that the discussions should have considered WP:NCMAC, but it seems that they didn't. TSventon (talk) 18:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @TSventon: That's really helpful, thanks. For the sake of formality I did tag the category as CFDS after your comment, but this will probably warrant re-opening the discussion or a new full CfD. I do agree that WP:NCMAC should be the basis of the discussed move. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FlavrSavr: it is correct to tag the category: the tag will be removed when the speedy process is concluded. The nomination can be moved to the "Moved to full discussion" section if a full discussion is (re)started and the category will also need a full CfD tag. TSventon (talk) 19:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed. While WP:NCMAC tried very hard to address the somewhat mixed results of the RfC on the adjectival usage of the country, it is pretty specific about the people (namely: nationality) of that country. I'm surprised that somebody actually brought the issue up, let alone managed to successfully go through a full CFD decision. Let's see what the move review will bring about. --FlavrSavr (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've listed the two categories for move review instead. bibliomaniac15 20:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Kinsky to Category:House of Kinsky – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Now at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_9#Category:Austrian_noble_families. @Rathfelder: are you planning to add the two similar cases above? – Fayenatic London 09:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt to Category:1991 August Coup – C2D per 1991 August Coup Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:37, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People of the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt to Category:People of the 1991 August Coup
- Oppose both Article was only moved in May, without RM discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- At full discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin New Testament manuscripts to Category:Vetus Latina New Testament manuscripts – C2B: More precise since it directly says it relates to the Vetus Latina. Veverve (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article Vetus Latina does not make it a case of C2B. I am also inclined to substantive oppose in case this will be moved to full discussion as I doubt that Vetus Latina is a WP:COMMONNAME WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: there was a recent discussion of the parent & grandparent, with no consensus, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_21#Category:Vetus_Latina. – Fayenatic London 21:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that "old" is confusing, but in full discussion I think I might propose renaming to Category:Latin biblical manuscripts and adding Category:Vulgate manuscripts as a subcategory to it. The fact that they are written in Latin is the defining characteristic, not the fact that they are part of a set called Vetus Latina. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" designates the translations made from the Septuagint and the New Testament into Latin, mainly before the 4th century; see its article. The Vulgate is the 4th-century translations in Latin of the Hebrew Old Testament, the New Testament, and of some books from the Septuagint; those translations were mainly done by Jerome. Therefore, it is needed to distinguish between the Vetus Latina (a specific set of translations), the Vulgate (another set of specific translations), and other Latin manuscripts, and this is one of the the purposes of my renaming proposal. Veverve (talk) 23:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- The distinction with Vulgate will still exist with Vulgate as a subcat of Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- I add that the category is currently called "Old Latin" because "Old Latin" translates "Vetus Latina". You can check for yourself: all the manuscripts within this category are Vetus Latina texts. Veverve (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, but the confusing element is that it is not written in Old Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: the confusion also stems from the fact "Vetus Latina" is the common name for those translations, whereas "Old Latin" is condusing. Moreover, there would be no point in putting all the Vetus Latin New Testament manuscript in a new, broader, less precise category. Veverve (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: do you still oppose? Veverve (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article Vetus Latina does not make it a case of C2B. I am also inclined to substantive oppose in case this will be moved to full discussion as I doubt that Vetus Latina is a WP:COMMONNAME WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Nazis in comic book fiction to Category:Comics about Nazism - C2C: Consistency with established category tree names — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoBatfreak (talk • contribs) 01:58, 28 July 2020
- Oppose We need a full discussion as to whether we should follow the comic book convention of that of Category:Nazism in popular culture's subcats. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Now at full discussion. – Fayenatic London 08:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose We need a full discussion as to whether we should follow the comic book convention of that of Category:Nazism in popular culture's subcats. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish Gaelic language to Category:Scottish Gaelic – C2D per Scottish Gaelic. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 07:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Soumya-8974 The last time you nominated this category it was opposed for speedy renaming, and just because you wait one month it won't change. You either need to take it full discussion, or leave it alone. BTW this all boils down that I oppose speedy renaming of the category too. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per @Armbrust. This needs a full CFD discussion ... and if there is a full CFD discussion, I will oppose it there. Other editors may support the move, but it can't proceed without discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Soumya-8974 The last time you nominated this category it was opposed for speedy renaming, and just because you wait one month it won't change. You either need to take it full discussion, or leave it alone. BTW this all boils down that I oppose speedy renaming of the category too. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Meanwhile moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British television programmes by genre to Category:British television series by genre – C2C: per convention of Category:Television series by country and genre. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- purge this category of show that are not series
- rename all the other subcats of Category:Television series by country and genre to use "shows".
- But I don't see the case for making British programming an exception. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Thincat, excluding Brits shows from Category:Television series by country and genre is no solution. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Your option (1) would involve a great deal of work. Some subcats contain mostly one-offs (Category:British television documentaries) other subcats contain mostly series (or entirely if the subcat naming is correct). (2) would seem to me preferable but not as a speedy because the situation has not been clear. Thincat (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion
- Category:Razakar to Category:Razakar (Pakistan) – C2D: per head article Razakar (Pakistan). The bare title Razakar is about the concept (an Arabic word which means volunteer), but Razakar (Pakistan) is a specific force which operated in East Pakistan. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, I have moved this to the opposed section, because I think it has moved beyond the type of straightforward issue which can be handled as a speedy, so we need a full discussion to consider it. I'll leave it you make that full nomination, so that you can make the nominator's case upfront. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Suspense to Category:Suspense (genre) – C2D: Suspense (genre), Suspense is just the feeling. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Justin: as Suspense (genre) redirects to Thriller (genre), doesn't this justify a speedy upmerge to Category:Thrillers, and renaming/merging of its subcats? I'm not sure that that would be best, though. The article Thriller (genre) only mentions suspense as a characteristic of thrillers, not as a sub-genre. However, I feel that Suspense#In drama might be a better target for the redirect. If that is done then I would not oppose your nomination. – Fayenatic London 22:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy C2D doesn’t apply to redirects. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 29. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Disestablishments in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Disestablishments in All-Palestine Protectorate - C2D: per All-Palestine Protectorate and Category:All-Palestine Protectorate. --Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Establishments in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Establishments in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:History of All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:History of All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:History of All-Palestine (Gaza) by period to Category:History of All-Palestine Protectorate by period
- Category:Years of the 20th century in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Years of the 20th century in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:Decades in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Decades in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1940s in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1940s in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1950s in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1950s in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:Years in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Years in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1948 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1948 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1949 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1949 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1956 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1956 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1957 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1957 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:Massacres in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Massacres in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Oppose this batch. This is a non-consensus topic and worthy of a full discussion. For instance, I wonder if many of the categories for this short-lived puppet government may not rather be merged elsewhere rather than just renamed. Place Clichy (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly are you opposing? The categories aren't nominated for either deletion or creation (if that were a thing). It's just aligning the names with each other and the parent article and category per C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Imho this is still worth a full discussion. Whatever the target here it will be non-consensual. A full discussion will allow us to reach a consensual target. Place Clichy (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I don't see how exactly this is a valid oppose. This is exactly what C2D means. If the name isn't good, it should be handled at the article level and not at the category levels. CFD should not make WP:LOCALCONSENSUS a thing. --Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: are you planning to move these categories to full CFD in order to have them merged? (because if you are not, there seems to be little reason to further delay renaming) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- C2D allows for exceptions, and requires anyway that the target is both unambiguous and uncontroversial, neither of which are met here. Anyway, the real issue here is that what is called All-Palestinian Protectorate in the eponymous article never actually had any existence (beside its first 3 months in 1948 according to the author of most of these categories, as argued here) and that this content should probably better be located elsewhere than in what looks like a country category structure. Notably, all the chronology and (dis)establishment categories would probably better be served by referring to an expression like Egyptian rule in the Gaza Strip, or sticking to a purely geographical terminology such as Palestinian territories or Gaza Strip. They may also be purely deleted or upmerged to larger parents. Note that all these categories have actually very few articles in them. Besides the articles directly related to the Egyptian short-lived straw government (All-Palestine National Council, All-Palestine Government) and wider articles relative to the Arab-Israeli conflict and Israeli military operations, all you have is two localities (Kfar Darom and Bureij), a newspaper (Gaza Weekly Newspaper) and a football club (Shabab Rafah). This is very little content for 31 chronology and establishment categories. For the time being and until someone creates a CfD for them, a name that mentions (Gaza) is more useful to the reader than a name that does not include it, for most or all of these categories. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I don't see how exactly this is a valid oppose. This is exactly what C2D means. If the name isn't good, it should be handled at the article level and not at the category levels. CFD should not make WP:LOCALCONSENSUS a thing. --Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Imho this is still worth a full discussion. Whatever the target here it will be non-consensual. A full discussion will allow us to reach a consensual target. Place Clichy (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly are you opposing? The categories aren't nominated for either deletion or creation (if that were a thing). It's just aligning the names with each other and the parent article and category per C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Nomination has been split in two parts: (dis)establishments categories by year are now on full CFD. The other categories as listed in this section may follow later, dependent on the outcome of the full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- 2nd full discussion here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- The 2nd full discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television programs by director to Category:Television shows by director — C2C per convention of Category:Television shows, as set by WP:CFD/2020 May 6#Television_program(me)s. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television programs directed by Alan Alda to Category:Television shows directed by Alan Alda
- Category:Television programs directed by Peter Avanzino to Category:Television shows directed by Peter Avanzino
- Category:Television programs directed by Jules Bass to Category:Television shows directed by Jules Bass
- Category:Television programs directed by Steve Binder to Category:Television shows directed by Steve Binder
- Category:Television programs directed by Brannon Braga to Category:Television shows directed by Brannon Braga
- Category:Television programs directed by James Burrows to Category:Television shows directed by James Burrows
- Category:Television programs directed by Marty Callner to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Callner
- Category:Television programs directed by James L. Conway to Category:Television shows directed by James L. Conway
- Category:Television programs directed by Matthew Faughnan to Category:Television shows directed by Matthew Faughnan
- Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig to Category:Television shows directed by Paul Feig
- Category:Television programs directed by Jonathan Frakes to Category:Television shows directed by Jonathan Frakes
- Category:Television programs directed by Bruce Gowers to Category:Television shows directed by Bruce Gowers
- Category:Television programs directed by Seth Green to Category:Television shows directed by Seth Green
- Category:Television programs directed by Robert Guenette to Category:Television shows directed by Robert Guenette
- Category:Television programs directed by Jack Haley Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Jack Haley Jr.
- Category:Television programs directed by Hamish Hamilton (director) to Category:Television shows directed by Hamish Hamilton (director)
- Category:Television programs directed by Toby Haynes to Category:Television shows directed by Toby Haynes
- Category:Television programs directed by Dwight Hemion to Category:Television shows directed by Dwight Hemion
- Category:Television programs directed by Jim Henson to Category:Television shows directed by Jim Henson
- Category:Television programs directed by Louis J. Horvitz to Category:Television shows directed by Louis J. Horvitz
- Category:Television programs directed by Sam Jaimes to Category:Television shows directed by Sam Jaimes
- Category:Television programs directed by Chuck Jones to Category:Television shows directed by Chuck Jones
- Category:Television programs directed by Ward Kimball to Category:Television shows directed by Ward Kimball
- Category:Television programs directed by Don Roy King to Category:Television shows directed by Don Roy King
- Category:Television programs directed by Sidney Lumet to Category:Television shows directed by Sidney Lumet
- Category:Television programs directed by Hamilton Luske to Category:Television shows directed by Hamilton Luske
- Category:Television programs directed by Delbert Mann to Category:Television shows directed by Delbert Mann
- Category:Television programs directed by Jeff Margolis to Category:Television shows directed by Jeff Margolis
- Category:Television programs directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller to Category:Television shows directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller
- Category:Television programs directed by Bill Melendez to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Melendez
- Category:Television programs directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan to Category:Television shows directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
- Category:Television programs directed by Don Mischer to Category:Television shows directed by Don Mischer
- Category:Television programs directed by Marty Pasetta to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Pasetta
- Category:Television programs directed by Bill Pope to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Pope
- Category:Television programs directed by Arthur Rankin Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Arthur Rankin Jr.
- Category:Television programs directed by Phil Roman to Category:Television shows directed by Phil Roman
- Category:Television programs directed by Glenn Weiss to Category:Television shows directed by Glenn Weiss
- Category:Television programs directed by Joss Whedon to Category:Television shows directed by Joss Whedon
- Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
However, when I look at Category:Television programs by director, I see that it is a subcat of Category:Television shows, not of Category:Television episodes. That parenting could be easily fixed, but it occurs to me that there must be a non-trivial set of cases where one person has directed a whole series ... it might be best to use a more inclusive title such as Category:Television programming by director, as a subcat of Category:Television programming.
So, if it would help: how about I open a full CFD discussion on this set, offering three options: shows, episodes, programming. I have tools to make such group noms easily, so it's no biggie for me to do it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)- Sure, a CfD is probably best here. I'll note that Category:Television episodes by director had a CfD in 2011 which resulted in delete, however, it seems that the community is still adding these pages, just not under that name. --Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
- Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 5#Television programs by director. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 17. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
- It was relisted a second time at CFD 2020 Aug 1. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites to Category:Roman archaeological sites, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites by culture and Category:Ancient archaeological sites. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Africa to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Asia to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Europe to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Ancient archaeological sites in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for above four. Most of the subcategories of Category:Archaeological sites by culture don't use "archaeological" (only 4 of the 26). Armbrust The Homunculus 06:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, "archeological site" implies that archeology has been or could be conducted on them, which is untrue if the site is still standing, or is only known from written sources and has never been found. Abductive (reasoning) 21:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 24. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Croatian Canadian to Category:Croatian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bulgarian Canadian to Category:Bulgarian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ulster-Scottish Canadian to Category:Ulster-Scottish Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh Canadian to Category:Welsh Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish Canadian to Category:Scottish Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Manx Canadian to Category:Manx Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:English Canadian to Category:English Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British Canadian to Category:British Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian Canadian to Category:Belgian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Armenian Canadian to Category:Armenian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:European Canadian to Category:European Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Trinidadian and Tobagonian Canadian to Category:Trinidadian and Tobagonian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jamaican Canadian to Category:Jamaican Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Haitian Canadian to Category:Haitian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Guyanese Canadian to Category:Guyanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cuban Canadian to Category:Cuban Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Barbadian Canadian to Category:Barbadian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean Canadian to Category:Caribbean Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Syrian Canadian to Category:Syrian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Palestinian Canadian to Category:Palestinian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Moroccan Canadian to Category:Moroccan Canadians – C2A: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Libyan Canadian to Category:Libyan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lebanese Canadian to Category:Lebanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Egyptian Canadian to Category:Egyptian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Arab Canadian to Category:Arab Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Vietnamese Canadian to Category:Vietnamese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Tibetan Canadian to Category:Tibetan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Thai Canadian to Category:Thai Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Sri Lankan Canadian to Category:Sri Lankan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Punjabi Canadian to Category:Punjabi Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian Canadian to Category:Malaysian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Korean Canadian to Category:Korean Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Japanese Canadian to Category:Japanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino Canadian to Category:Filipino Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Taiwanese Canadian to Category:Taiwanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chinese Canadian to Category:Chinese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cambodian Canadian to Category:Cambodian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Odia Canadian to Category:Odia Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bengali Canadian to Category:Bengali Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bangladeshi Canadian to Category:Bangladeshi Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Afghan Canadian to Category:Afghan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South Asian Canadian to Category:South Asian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ethiopian Canadian to Category:Ethiopian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South African Canadian to Category:South African Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Somali Canadian to Category:Somali Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:African Canadian to Category:African Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Asian Canadian to Category:Asian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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