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Reviewer: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Hey there, I'm happy to take this one on for review. I've not reviewed an article about a squat yet, so I'm looking forward to it. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Starting with replies now - regarding recent edits, I wouldn't regard it as a leisure centre - that has the connotation for me and our wikiarticle of being a sports-based place, like gym/swim/climbing wall. I'd say Ladronka is more of an activities centre since it incorporates a restaurant and bar, bowling and so on. But happy to discuss before reverting. Also buildings can be evicted as opposed to people, this comes up every now and again, seems to be a difference between common usage and academic usage perhaps - please see a discussion which occurred during a previous GA review Mujinga (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Also as another general point, seems odd Ladronka isn't mentioned at Anarchism in the Czech Republic, I'll add an appropriate mention with source if I come across one. Mujinga (talk) 12:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Comments
History
- Citation [1] needs a publication date (28 August 2004), editor credit (Kateřina Sekyrková), and a language tag (cs).
- Spotcheck: [1] Verified, although I needed to go into a link on this page to find its exact address.[1]
- If it was built in 1340, then Charles wasn't yet the Holy Roman Emperor. At this point in time he would have been the Margrave of Moravia.
- Spotcheck: [2] Verified most of the details. But I couldn't find a description of it as a "homestead". Are we sure this is the correct term?
- Citation [3] needs a language tag (cs)
- good point, sometimes it's automatic but maybe not for cs
- Spotcheck: [3] Verified most of the details, although it appears that this text is mostly being sourced from citation [2]. (E.g. the year of purchase isn't mentioned in citation [3])
- I feel like there's some gaps in the timeline of its ownership. For example, citation [3] mentions that it had been turned into a farmstead by the 19th century; citation [2] details that the Sovereign Order of Malta owned it until the 20th century, and that it was used as a warehouse before the communist authorities turned it into flats.
Self-managed social centre
- Spotcheck: [3] Verified.
- Any reason that citations [6] and [7] are each referenced inline twice within the same paragraphs? There aren't any quotes, so I'm confused as to why this is.
- Citation [7] needs more details, such as publication date (April 2016), volume (IX) and issue (1-2), and page numbers (34-45).
- Spotcheck: [7] Verified.
- Spotcheck: [9] Verified.
Leisure centre
- "leisure centre" still sound wrong to me, per above ... recreation centre maybe? Mujinga (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Citation [10] needs a publication date (22 February 2005), editor credit (Kateřina Sekyrková), and a language tag (cs).
- Are there any independent sources that can be used instead of ladronka.cz?
- Any more recent news than 2005? It's been two decades since the renovation, I'm sure more things have happened since then.
- true! will do another scan Mujinga (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- So checking sites like idnes, blesk, denik, pravo, I'm not really finding much to add. The park's recreational facilites were extended in 2009/2010, Ladronka gets mentioned sometimes in passing reference as regard other squats, that's about it. Mujinga (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- as a sidenote, I'm trying to make archive links but the bot is down 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC) Mujinga (talk)
Lead and infobox
- Should probably clarify when it was built and the status of Charles at the time of construction.
- Could probably do with another sentence about what was going on with the centre before its eviction. E.g. what the squatters did there, why it was evicted, etc.
Checklist
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
- Is it well written?
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- No issues with prose or grammar. Only a minor issue of clarification.
- B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- Is it verifiable with no original research?
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- References should be filled out, where incomplete.
- B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
- All text has an inline citation.
Might be worth checking if the ladronka.cz sources can be replaced with sources more independent of the subject.
- All text has an inline citation.
- C. It contains no original research:
- Spotchecks verify almost everything, although there's a minor issue with information being pulled from a different source than the one cited, and one possible case of iffy terminology.
- D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
- No issues flagged by Earwig.[2]
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
Appears to be some gaps in the timeline, particularly as to what has happened with the centre since 2005. If sources on this exist, more information should be provided.
- B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- Is it neutral?
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- Only potentially non-neutral wording (i.e. "moral panic") is cited from multiple sources, so I think it's fine.
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- Is it stable?
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- No major changes since 2020, no reversions in article history.
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Sole image is an original photograph freely licensed under Creative Commons.
- B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
- Image is relevant and appropriately captioned, including with alt text.
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- Very nicely-written article on the whole. My main issue with this article is really with completeness. It just reads to me as odd that an open and still-active centre doesn't have any information on it further than 2005. If more information can be found to fill in the gaps, I'd be more than happy to pass this. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Pass or Fail:
- Ohc that's a nice surprise, thanks for taking it on! I'm a bit busy IRL until the weekend, possibly next week even, but I can def get comments back to you in 7 days. As initial answer on completeness yes your point makes sense, I should look into it again and perhaps if I don't find much about recent activity then retitle the article to Ladronka (social centre), which as you probably guessed is my real focus here. Mujinga (talk) 14:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
- Just a comment re the "homestead", it's likely a translation of the Czech term "usedlost". Ladronka was one of many "usedlosti" which became part of Prague as the city expanded in the 19th century (cs:Seznam pražských usedlostí). Our article homestead (buildings) interwikis to cs:Usedlost but other possibilities are "manor", "manor house" or "estate" (the latter might be a bit misleading). – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 15:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)