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Devin Oosthuizen
- Devin Oosthuizen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Stock photos, match reports and an ESPN profile are all I can find for this person. Not meeting notability requirements due to a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A few bits and pieces, but not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
NJ Oosthuizen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Ntokozo Vidima
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 00:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Quite a bit of coverage, but not really enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Riaan Esterhuizen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Few bits here and there, but not enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Quintin Esterhuizen
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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players There is some coverage out there on this player, but I don't think any of it reaches what's needed for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
JP Lewis
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
JR Esterhuizen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was this piece on his apparent career switch. JTtheOG (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Wiehan Hay
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 23:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per all above. Insufficient independent WP:SIGCOV to satisfy GNG. Bgv. (talk) 04:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify: This article should be moved to the draft space as it does not currently meet WP:GNG. It needs more coverage from independent, reliable sources to qualify for a standalone article. AstridMitch (talk) 5:36, 19 June 2024
Sphu Msutwana
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Cullen Collopy
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All I found for this rugby player were a pair of transactional announcements (1, 2). There is some minor coverage, but nothing non-routine. JTtheOG (talk) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Fair bit of coverage, but I'm not sure there is enough to pass WP:GNG here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
CJ Conradie
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It's possible he goes by a different given name. JTtheOG (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Curwin Gertse
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I found a handful of sentences of coverage here and here on this rugby player. I don't think that's enough for WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON. Lots of coverage of his youth career, but nothing really GNG worthy yet. Not sure coverage would increase enough in the next 6 months to make it worth draftifying and no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Stephanus Muller
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This article falls far short of what is expected of a BLP. Had this been written only a few days ago, I would have immediately draftified it. As it is now a few years old, a discussion needs to happen in order to do that. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Enough book reviews (now added to the article) for WP:AUTHOR. As for the shape the article is in: despite the plethora of scary cleanup banners, I've seen much worse (in BLPs in no danger of being deleted) and WP:DINC. And calling for draftification of a years-old article with years-old cleanup banners is just a dishonest way of calling for its full deletion after it sits unaddressed for another half-year. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The recent addition of book reviews strengthens the article's compliance with the notability guideline for authors. Deletion seems like a harsh solution. We should improve the article, not delete it. Waqar💬 17:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. per WP:NAUTHOR the subject is notable. While there are some issues with the article, this is WP:NOTCLEANUP. --hroest 10:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. While I accept the reasons for moving Draft:Friedrich Wilhelm Jannasch to drafts and will continue working on it, @UtherSRGhas also reversed my call to move Draft:South African Music Encyclopedia into the mainspace. Seems like a blanket clampdown on my actions, without regard for the relative merit of the articles. Viljowf (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Nqubeko Zulu
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 South African provincial elections
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No reason for this article to exist. User was BOLD in creating it, but there are individual articles for the provincial elections, and the results summary (which is all it is) belongs on the main page, where it was cut from. It also does not attribute the source article. Greenman (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. This should really just be on the main article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as the primary article is already very large, and it should remain mostly focused on the national parliamentary election. I propose keeping this article, and removing all the repeating content from the primary one.
- MapperGuy87 (talk) 20:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep — The original article is very long and a page for subdivisional elections is common for systems like this. This page could be more in-depth but it makes far more sense to put a shorter summary (probably in a table form) on the "general election" page and keep the in-depth stuff here. Watercheetah99 (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages. Greenman (talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No I'm aware, this is just a common element of approaches to similar systems. There are intermediate pages to link elections on the same subdivision level; for example: despite the fact that pretty much every locality's elections had a specific page, the 2024 United Kingdom local elections article exists and helps link the elections. An even better example are pages like 2022 United States gubernatorial elections or 2023 Nigerian gubernatorial elections, these intermediate pages are common and serve a purpose. If we wanted to completely overhaul the 2024 South African election pages, these examples could be models: there'd be an overview page ("2024 South African elections" based on 2024 United States elections) with a tables and short summaries on national, provincial, and local (by-) elections; there'd be separate 2024 South African general election and 2024 South African provincial elections pages; and there'd be pages for each provincial election. This would shorten each article and avoid the current overlap of each page. Those are just my suggestions and probably too much work, but I'm still a Keep for this discussion. Watercheetah99 (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages. Greenman (talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Seems reasonable to have a summary article that keeps all the provincial election results in one place and links out to more detailed articles. As Watercheetah says, this is fairly standard practice (e.g. 2023 Italian regional elections). Number 57 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Lesaka Technologies
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Run-of-the-mill and other insufficient sources without proper in-depth coverage of the subject. Fails GNG, NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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- * Keep - The Mail & Guardian article seems prominent enough to establish notability. WmLawson (talk) 05:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:Delete per WP:NCORP 104.7.152.180 (talk) 13:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: An IP that added "Delete per WP:NCORP" to 3 AFDs in 2 minutes. I think the chance that the closing admin places weight on these posts is approximately zero. Geschichte (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep based on present citations and also have found these additional citations Insider Monkey, Seeking Alpha, itweb, and The Street. It should be noted that this is a publicly listed company on NASDAQ and there are more news articles in Google under its current name and old name "Net 1 UEPS." Hkkingg (talk) 08:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hkkingg, Seeking Alpha and TheStreet are, as I understand it, generally considered group blogs, not RS, and as far as I can tell Insider Monkey seems to be the same. Is there any specific reason not immediately obvious you believe those sources meet the criteria? (itweb seems to be a WP:CORPROUTINE announcement as well) Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't know about this one. Simply Wall Street has a detailed analysis of the company's stock performance,[1] and this article (the second half) has important facts about the company (e.g., "3,300 employees in five African countries"), but there are so many press releases in the search results that it's hard to tell what's useful. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Jéan Rossouw
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep Couple of bits here, here and here which I think make it worth a weak keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete on account of the serious dearth of sources denoting notability. The ones provided above by RugbyFan22 are two routine listings of players, plus one nostalgia-cum-trivia article titled "Where Are They Now". We cannot construct notability on such thin ground. Otherwise, Wikipedia would be a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep the sources mentioned by Rugbyfan22 look like non-trivial coverage (there is a prose section of each, it's not just a routine listing). I am assuming Rugby365 is an acceptable source. --Here2rewrite (talk) 17:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Per The Gnome. This subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from IRS to meet the GNG. Let'srun (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:SPORTSPERSON was recently revised for this exact situation. A sports biography must contain at least one independent reliable source which significantly covers the subject. Nothing approaching that here, applied, presented or found. BusterD (talk) 16:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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