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Piñon, Montrose County
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Having reviewed the sources I generally rely on to determine if a Colorado place is real or formerly existed. In this case, there appears to be a location named "Piñon" in Montrose County, but it's not notable nor actually a town. No SIGCOV in RSs. Pbritti (talk) 02:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - In a WP:BEFORE search I discovered that Pinon, Colorado was the second largest town in Montrose County, Colorado in the early 20th century, during its mining boom before it went bust. If you google it without the tilde over the first 'n' you will find a lot of hits that are significant coverage WP:SIGCOV in newspapers and books. It definitely meets WP:GNG. I've added four citations in reliable sources and expanded the article. This article on a western mining boomtown should be kept. Netherzone (talk) 04:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Globe, Oregon
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Contested PROD. Non-notable location, article sourced only to GNIS and to a topographic map. Little else found. Fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG in absence of better sourcing. Topo maps do suggest there was once more of a settlement there than at present, but without sourcing to describe it we can't have an article. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hampton, Lane County, Oregon
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Contested PROD. Non-notable railroad waypoint. Sources consist of 1) GNIS (does not count for notability); 2) the DeLorme atlas (likely based on GNIS); 3) a place-names gazetteer (also not sufficient for notability), and 4) the page for the Hampton Boat Launch at the Willamette National Forest USFS page, which is a page about, well, a boat launch, and not any "community" or "locale". The text of the article clearly says this is a "locale", which is not a populated place, and no other sources could be found; thus, this fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 01:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Clover Park, New Zealand
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Proposing to merge/redirect to Flat Bush (Most of the area falls under Flat Bush). Not gazetted/included in Auckland Council's official map tool and fails GNG, no sigcov turns up in a search with most results pertaining to a school and one even stating the area is Otara: https://www.google.co.nz/books/edition/Addressing_Pupil_s_Behaviour/UlAAhkusknAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22clover+park%22+auckland&pg=PT109&printsec=frontcover Traumnovelle (talk) 01:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom Heyallkatehere (talk) 10:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I admit to not understanding this nom, as a simple search of the NZ Herald brings up over 300 results about the suburb. SportingFlyer T·C 06:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Did you look at any of the articles? They're all appear to be generic news reports about incidents in the area and do not establish any notability to the place itself. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but those articles clearly define it as a place, Kia Aroha school says it's in Clover Park and not Ōtara, houses are listed as being in Clover Park on house listing websites, it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986... places have some of the lowest notability thresholds on the entire website and I really don't see what's to be gained from deleting a perfectly good article about a place that is literally a point in the generic map box when you view the map, just because of some technicality. SportingFlyer T·C 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The threshold for places is WP:NPLACE. The relevant paragraph is this one:
- Populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighborhoods, etc. – any of which could be considered notable on a case-by-case basis, given non-trivial coverage by their name in multiple, independent reliable sources. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it.
- >it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986...
- There are records dating back to the 1800s of some places in my neighbourhood, yet no one outside of my neighbourhood, and even some of them won't know what they are. Simply existing is not grounds for an article and the information would be better off included in the relevant article/articles. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're proposing an area that is clearly defined by the census and is recognised by multiple NZ government entities does not qualify for an article because it's not included in a place names layer on a single website, which again would be an extreme technicality for our most permissive notability standard. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am suggesting a place which fails WP:GNG and isn't recognised by New Zealand's official gazetteer nor by the regional authorities map tool doesn't qualify for an article. WP:NPLACE explicitly excludes census tracts and if stats nz areas were considered notable we'd have even more stubs with nothing more than demographic information and an infobox. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- First, it doesn't fail WP:GNG. Second, you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted, when it's clearly a place name which has some sort of legal recognition - the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park, not Flat Bush. SportingFlyer T·C 07:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Show me a source with significant coverage of it.
- >you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted
- It doesn't - it's just one way of being legally recognised.
- >the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park
- New Zealand Post doesn't define suburb names or boundaries so referring to them is pointless. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- First, it doesn't fail WP:GNG. Second, you're incorrectly and narrowly assuming legal recognition has to come from being gazetted, when it's clearly a place name which has some sort of legal recognition - the suburb address for the Clover Park Community House is Clover Park, not Flat Bush. SportingFlyer T·C 07:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am suggesting a place which fails WP:GNG and isn't recognised by New Zealand's official gazetteer nor by the regional authorities map tool doesn't qualify for an article. WP:NPLACE explicitly excludes census tracts and if stats nz areas were considered notable we'd have even more stubs with nothing more than demographic information and an infobox. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're proposing an area that is clearly defined by the census and is recognised by multiple NZ government entities does not qualify for an article because it's not included in a place names layer on a single website, which again would be an extreme technicality for our most permissive notability standard. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but those articles clearly define it as a place, Kia Aroha school says it's in Clover Park and not Ōtara, houses are listed as being in Clover Park on house listing websites, it exists in parliamentary debates including a parliamentary grant in 1986... places have some of the lowest notability thresholds on the entire website and I really don't see what's to be gained from deleting a perfectly good article about a place that is literally a point in the generic map box when you view the map, just because of some technicality. SportingFlyer T·C 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Did you look at any of the articles? They're all appear to be generic news reports about incidents in the area and do not establish any notability to the place itself. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, recognised by Statistics New Zealand and the New Zealand Post Office, has Clover Park Community House, has a population of almost 10,000 people. It doesn't make sense to me to lump it in with Flat Bush, which already has a population of 45,000 people. As stated above, relevant news articles are given as occurring in Clover Park. Like most places in New Zealand, Auckland does not have official suburbs, but it does have wards and local boards, so the suggestion of a merge would be more appropriate to Ōtara-Papatoetoe Local Board or Manukau ward, except no one would ever list those as part of their address. The larger body in human terms would be South Auckland.-Gadfium (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Statistical/census areas are not considered for NPLACE due to issues with them. 'Auckland University' is a statistical area for example, but it obviously isn't a suburb/locality. Other areas listed by them include: Botany Junction, Redcastle, Armoy, Middlefield, Savonna, and Baverstock. None of these have articles because they're non-notable areas that aren't gazetted.
- Suburbs in Auckland have official recognition via the gazetter or on Auckland Council's geomaps (which is where the Council refers you to for road boundaries and whatnot) Traumnovelle (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not that it necessarily matters, but none of those areas you listed are considered suburbs by either Openstreetmap or Google Maps, which even displays a distinct suburb boundary for Clover Park when you type it in. SportingFlyer T·C 07:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter because those sites use user generated submissions which cannot be used to establish notability. Please read through WP:NPLACE. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm very familiar with NPLACE, I started that sentence with "not that it necessarily matters." I just wanted to note you threw out a number of false equivalencies. SportingFlyer T·C 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because this place has an article which could potentially lead to why user generated sources may have it listed? Traumnovelle (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It wouldn't work that way - a definitional polygon on Google Maps would not be created because of a spurious Wikipedia article, especially in a country where they wouldn't need to use user generated data to be accurate. But again, we're veering away from AfD relevancy... SportingFlyer T·C 07:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because this place has an article which could potentially lead to why user generated sources may have it listed? Traumnovelle (talk) 07:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm very familiar with NPLACE, I started that sentence with "not that it necessarily matters." I just wanted to note you threw out a number of false equivalencies. SportingFlyer T·C 07:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter because those sites use user generated submissions which cannot be used to establish notability. Please read through WP:NPLACE. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not that it necessarily matters, but none of those areas you listed are considered suburbs by either Openstreetmap or Google Maps, which even displays a distinct suburb boundary for Clover Park when you type it in. SportingFlyer T·C 07:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, this seems to me to exceed WP:NPLACE as a search turned up a bunch of mentions, including a direct mention in the media by a PM. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Which one of those do you find to be non-trivial coverage? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Rol Naath
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I can find no reliable sources which refer to the place or term "Rol Naath". It may need to be renamed, e.g. Nuer Nation, but is it a nation? The sources included in the article do not seem to mention Rol Naath, but I do not have full access to the offline soures. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Hi @MSGJ Rol Naath is the Nuer people's home in South Sudan just like Igboland, Yorubaland in Nigeria to name a few. Nuer Nation is an English translation of what the name means. To your question "Is it a nation?", According to the dictionary, a Nation is a body of people having a common descent, history, culture, or language but without a separate or politically independent territory. It doesn't necessarily mean an independent country. Sovereignty is a different thing.
- Rol Naath is part of South Sudan. South Sudan is comprised of 64 different ethnic groups and each of these groups has its own land with its name. You can't just nominate an article for deletion just because you don't know what the title means and even after reading through the article. This Nuer people are one of the most studied people in Africa by anthropologists. Please read The Nuer, The Nuer conquest, The Nuer religion, The Nuer Nation, Bok in Yel, Wut Naath, few of many reliable sources that back up this article.
- To address your concern about renaming the article, according to Wikipedia:Article titles, The title must indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles. Rol Naath is what the article is about, the land of Nuer People within South Sudan and some part of Ethiopia. The title should not be the translation of what the article is about. The translations in both Arabic and English are already within the article. Gatwech Gai (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources around Igboland and Yorubaland in Nigeria but this article looks like a fringe claim to bolster an ethnic group land claims. If you look to the map in this article and compare it to the on in Nuer people, that becomes clear as you look to the land in the west of South Sudan.
- From your work at Nuer massacre, I really think you have an axe to grind and you are using self published books and primary sources, synthetic arguments, and editorialising. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You know its surprising to me to hear what a lot people think about Africans. I guess i understand now why people rarely find stuff about Africa on Wikipedia "a fringe claim to bolster an ethnic group land claim'? really? this land existed even way before the European colonization and you are making it look like Nuer are some kind of European who are trying to colonize some other ethnic groups?
- there is clear traditional land borders between each ethnic groups in South Sudan and even though the country is not stable currently, its not because of land and its not because some ethnic groups want out.
- Take a good look again on the maps in this article and the one in the Nuer people, do not let the grey lines confuse you, Dinka written is there on their land and Nuer is written on the portion of their land.
- Leave the Nuer massacre work to its talk page. This is about the land. I checked too many articles and almost all of them are build up on combination of sources from books and others and they are perfectly fine. Gatwech Gai (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Article titles, this is clearly at the wrong title. It's also difficult to determine whether the topic is actually notable or whether it's WP:SYNTH or a WP:POVFORK, as none of the scholarly searches I can actually access which contain the phrase "Nuer nation" discuss anything the article talks about, and the sources are off-line. SportingFlyer T·C 06:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well per Wikipedia:Article titles, its clearly noted that the title be about the article which the Rol Naath is. How come you can't find scholarly research about the Nuer and their land when they are the most studied ethnic group in Africa? E.E. Evan Pritchards in 1940 went to Nuer land on British government order to study the Nuer, he published The Nuer Nuer Religion, which pretty much cover every aspect of Nuer people's lives. These books ended up being taught in various universities in England and United State.
- There are other books that specifically talk about Rol Naath as well and you may as well take a good look The Nuer State: Rol Naath, The History of Nuer Nation 5000 BCE to 1943, The Uniques Background of the Nuer Nation.
- Notes: there are many sources about the Nuer people's land out there but most of them are not for free. Any one here who think Rol Naath be deleted might first need to sacrifice some money to acquire these sources before you claim that no scholarly sources available. Gatwech Gai (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even considering that it is sometimes rendered "Rol Nath", the sources you give are clearly self-published. All of them, including "The History of Nuer Nation 5000 Bce to 1943" looks like a screed to get Nuer people to take some sort of political action, which in Africa usually leads to ethnic cleansing. Moreover, the 5000 BCE is laughable and evidence of uncorrectable bias. Abductive (reasoning) 06:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see, your point of view on this topic is leading you to difference issues. If you think Nuer land being on Wikipedia is getting them take some sort of political action, did the Igbo and Yoruba people demand political action since their lands were published on Wikipedia? Was the Nuer massacre perpetrated because of their land?
- let this be about the topic in question and not making it about what you think may happen. keep that to yourself. Gatwech Gai (talk) 08:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I performed scholarly research and book searches for both "Rol Naath" and "Nuer Nation" (and now "Rol Nath.") No hits for Rol Naath and Rol Nath, and "Nuer Nation" brought up 37 sources, but nothing which closely matches the topic of this article, which is about a geographic area. SportingFlyer T·C 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even considering that it is sometimes rendered "Rol Nath", the sources you give are clearly self-published. All of them, including "The History of Nuer Nation 5000 Bce to 1943" looks like a screed to get Nuer people to take some sort of political action, which in Africa usually leads to ethnic cleansing. Moreover, the 5000 BCE is laughable and evidence of uncorrectable bias. Abductive (reasoning) 06:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There's definitely parts of this article which could be added or merged to other articles on the Nuer people, but I'm not seeing clear GNG-qualifying sources which suggest notability for the geographic or cultural region, making this WP:SYNTH. SportingFlyer T·C 07:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "not seeing clear GNG-qualifying sources which suggest notability for the geographic or cultural region"? the 1955-56 map made by British Condominium rule in Sudan is in there and the geographical border between Dinka land and the Nuer land is very clear.
- So you really think Nuer people do not have cultural region? why not check Sudan open archive (or may be you will have trouble finding source in there) if the sources that i have provided are not enough for you, seems like each one here is trying to justify his/her POV of why they want this article to be deleted but refused to acknowledge the wonderful work E.E Evan Pritchards on Nuer people.
- Nuer people is unreadable by the way, one of the Nuer fellow called me yesterday to help improve the article but it look like the African input about themselves are not welcomed here but non-African input about Africa are being welcomed with open armed.
- I still think this article about Nuer people's land should not be deleted. Gatwech Gai (talk) 09:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Trichy Tollgate
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Completely uncoursed, fails WP:NPLACE as I could not find any reliable sources or indication of legal recognition. Hence this appears like mostly WP:ORIGINAL research. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. No sources on the page to get significant coverage on this toll junction and is not notable. It does not satisfy the legal recognition requirement. RangersRus (talk) 15:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is a HUGE mess and, regardless of the (unlikely) notability, should be TNTd. Links here should be removed. Thank you, User:Cocobb8, for nominating! gidonb (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
List of villages in Jasrasar Tehsil
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Disputed draftification. Resubmitted with no improvement. I feel this is a list too far, or perhaps WP:TOOSOON insofar as almost none of this list have articles. If and when they do I will reach a different view 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 11:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to Jasrasar Paradoctor (talk) 12:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Draftify - Does not satisfy list notability when, as the nominator has said, very few of the list entries are notable, so the list is not notable. If draftified, consider ECP-protection to avoid another move back to article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NLIST:
the individual entries in the list do not need to be independently notable
. Otherwise, we'd have to scrap all of Category:Lists of minor planets. - For the present list, this is of course a moot point, as the list topic is not notable. Paradoctor (talk) 20:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NLIST:
- I'm always up for a merge, such as the one suggested by User:Paradoctor, but are these WP:POPULATED places? Populated, legally recognized places are basically always notable, and lists thereof are basically always kept. Also, we're allowed to have lists of non-notable places; this list appears to meet two of the three WP:Common selection criteria for lists (and you don't have to meet multiple criteria). WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Now that you mention it, these are villages, so presumably all populated. Unless there is an inordinate number of ghost towns in Jasrasar.
- Also, we have two baker's dozen more lists like this one. Paradoctor (talk) 20:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Jasrasar. It's already been pointed out that it's absolutely NOT necessary for all contents of a list to be independently notable but this information makes better sense in the context of the article on the tehsil, which is notable. Ingratis (talk) 07:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
List of Turkic countries
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WP:OR WP:SYNTH WP:RS WP:UNSOURCED. Follow-up to deleted List of Turkic dynasties and countries, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic dynasties and countries. NLeeuw (talk) 23:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete per G4. The article was created on 7 March 2024, while the previous article was deleted on 10 June 2023. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete for a zombie article. Per the previous discussion, everything that is not WP:OR, is covered by Organization of Turkic States. Rjjiii (talk) 05:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete G4. Mccapra (talk) 09:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No different than Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Turkic dynasties and countries. Azuredivay (talk) 17:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Looking at the other article deleted through AFD, they aren't substantially identical so I don't think CSD G4 applies. Let this AFD proceed. Liz Read! Talk! 05:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As per above.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 07:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- delete: there is a lot of OR going on with the premise of this article itself, and a heaping of historical revisionism with which "countries" (if you can call eg the Kidarites a country) are listed as Turkic here. agree with above comment that the OTS article covers the non-OR scope of this article perfectly well. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 04:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Swofford, Washington
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Meany's (source 3)[1] definition of places is less stringent than Wikipedia's definition, which is legally recognized places. Meany wrote that Swofford (the man) set up a post office in the Swofford valley and later moved it to Mossy Rock. Places don't move, but post offices do (sometimes in shoe boxes). Washington State place names published in 1971 [2] Doesn't list swofford as a place. A rather unreliable source [3], but commonly referenced nonetheless lists this place, but all of the reliable sources used for their mention call it "Swofford Valley". Reading newspapers from the area reveals that the post office served the Swofford valley, and the people who lived in the valley used it's name to define where they lived. The Centralia Daily Chronicle in 1976 (July 1, 1976 Page 31[4]) explains that the valley had a rural farming community with a post office and a drug store. The reality is that these were probably not separate buildings, and it would not be all that unusual for this to actually be Swofford's residence as well. It is not a legally recognized place. Furthermore it's full name is "Swofford Valley". The confusion arises because post offices in the 1800's could only have one word names. If it is not deleted here I want want it moved to Swofford Valley, Washington. James.folsom (talk) 22:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I must have missed this one when I was trying to clear Washington of non-existent place articles. Nom sums it up pretty well, a onetime rural post office named for the person who said "hey, my neighbors and I need a post office" isn't a community, and saying it "is" a community is plainly false as there is clearly nothing there: [5]. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep A couple books from 1922 and 1923 describe it as a town, and Swofford cemetery is nearby, though it's described as now being in Mossyrock. I've also seen conflicting contemporary reports that say it's just a post office from a smallpox outbreak around the turn of the century, and that people were listed as being from Swofford in cattle and education reports in 1920 and 1923. There's some conjecture in the nom, and I think we can say there was a small community there at one point, even if it's clearly not referred to as Swofford any more. SportingFlyer T·C 19:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The only place that was called swofford was the post office, in was in Swoffard Valley, but the postal service only used single words to name them at that time. The area was always known Swofford valley. Any newspapers that reported local news from "Swofford" did so because that was the post mark on the letter. The newspaper got that news by mail from who ever in the valley wrote in to report it. James.folsom (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Forgot to mention could you please source the claims in your argument. James.folsom (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and strongly so. I asked on the Talk:Swofford, Washington page to pause any slotting of the article into AfD as I have sources (and still collecting more) to rewrite and expand the article to provide proof of a community. However, the AfD went ahead 4 hours later... I ask any admin or editor with AfD closure rights to please pause any action for a few days so that I (or others) can work on the page; see per WP:RUSHDELETE. In case there is any doubt, please see my efforts at Ceres, Washington, Cora, Washington, and Forest, Washington. Would a Template:Under construction be necessary/appropriate? Also, I have viewed similar sources that back up SportingFlyer's mentions. Thanks! Shortiefourten (talk) 19:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Finally finished updating and expanding other articles under AfD via the GNIS cleanup process so I'll be able to devote time tomorrow to add sourcing and expansion on the Swofford article. I again ask admins and those involved for a couple extra days before any potential actions to delete the Swofford page. Thanks! Shortiefourten (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment No. 2 The article has been expanded, mentioning both Swofford and Swofford Valley synonymously as the community does and backed up by sourcing. Relied on local news articles, as one does for small, rural communities in the USA. Article is written and sourced well-enough now, IMO, to further warrant Keep status. A quick note - news articles ref'd on the page consistently refer to Swofford as a town or community. I decided to go ahead and do the work straight to the article rather than my previous AfD-saving attempts of listing sources first on the talk page. It's just doing double the work and is by no means trying to circumvent anything. Being WP:BOLD? I dunno, just don't have the time to do twice the effort. Feel free to add or subtract from what I wrote on the article page...or leave some notes on what could be improved. Thanks! Shortiefourten (talk) 19:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)