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SUPERM
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Notability concerns; no reliable sources; possible original research BoraVoro (talk) 07:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. — CactusWriter (talk) 01:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
FIM Women's Motorcycling World Championship
- FIM Women's Motorcycling World Championship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't believe this meets WP:GNG. Little significant coverage in independent sources. Tvx1 22:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment – It's an FIM sanctioned World Championship-level event, which is running for the first time in just under a fortnight. This nomination seems premature, notability looks very likely to develop at the moment. 5225C (talk • contributions) 00:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- The first season of this newly established World Championship is due to begin in just under two weeks. Coverage has been limited to motorsports-focused outlets such as Speedweek (example here), Eurosport (example here), and others (Road Racing World, Paddock-GP.com). Deletion is entirely unwarranted, given that this is a World Championship sanctioned by the same governing body that oversees events such as MotoGP, WorldSBK, and others. Mathias327 (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, to be clear, notability isn't inherited from parent topics (WP:NOTINHERITED) nor is it conferred by equivalent topics (WP:OTHERSTUFF). There does seem to be some coverage at the moment, maybe not enough for an article, but there will almost certainly be enough coverage in two weeks' time. Is it worth it to delete or draftify this article and then recreate it in, say, a month? I don't think so. Arguably it doesn't pass notability standards right now, but we ought to be pragmatic here. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting nomination. But disappointing, per 5225C and Mathias327. This is what happens when inexperienced, over-zealous editors 'pirate' what others have written; sometimes it's almost like a competition - who can get it on to WP first. I often see this with racing deaths, contrary to wp notmemorial, when there is nothing/insufficient previously written about the racer, being an also-ran. See Paul Dobbs, Victor Steeman, Billy Redmayne, Dean Berta Viñales.I'm sure you're all aware that I wrote it, purposely as a section (in February 2024) as nothing had then (yet) happened. I'm equally sure you've read what I wrote here, being toosoon, permastub, crystal - "
There is simply no need for a separate article at this premature stage
".Having established that, I disagree that it should be draftified; such action, whilst admitting that some coverage may be available soon, could be regarded as pointy. However the mechanism, it's there, so yes, pragmatism in that redirect (back to) section may be just a retrograde/administrative move (I am an inclusionist).Keep. Considering what's happening with women's participation in certain sports, and the positive discrimination to enable them, then I think the article is a 'net-positive' to the project, although, considering the nationalities of the participants, will likely be of more-interest to European, non-English first speakers. Considering positive discrimination, I can cite WIR (with which I disagree, being a determined effort to skew the natural balance).--82.13.47.210 (talk) 23:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- Nobody WP:OWNs the rights to an article, nor is Wikipedia a platform for advancing social change (WP:SOAPBOX). 5225C (talk • contributions) 23:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Already more than enough SIGCOV to pass GNG. --John B123 (talk) 11:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Appears to be enough independent coverage to satisfy the general notability guidelines to me. Malinaccier (talk) 00:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Arthur Sweetser
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This subject fails WP:GNG and has no particular claim to notability. JFHJr (㊟) 05:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I've been able to locate a few sources on Sweetser. Per this book,
Sweetser's (1888-1968) was a journalist and League of Nations' staff member whose dense and global relations almost completely escaped historians' attention
, so it seems like he was an important figure but just hasn't been written about too much. I was also able to find some biographical coverage in a few different pages of this book. Additionally, this contemporary journal article provides coverage of him and one of his books. If this article is kept, this brief note contains biographical info which can be used to source it. There are around 2,000 mentions of him on newspapers.com for the period between 1915 and 1945; I haven't gone through all of them of course, but [1][2][3] were some big mentions that came up. Additionally, his obituaries ([4][5]) provide further biographical information which can be used to source the article if it is kept. Curbon7 (talk) 21:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: This as well, gives a few paragraphs to his career to that point [6] and a book review here [7] Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
List of programs broadcast by Hum TV
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Fails WP:NLIST and is WP:NOTTVGUIDE. It has not "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" as references verify the shows but do not talk about the group as a whole. There are nine current programs that are sourced which can easily be placed in the Hum TV page if necessary. History of the page also shows this has been the target of socks and COI since 2017 from Hum TV. While not a reason to delete, the list only stands to promote the station. CNMall41 (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: detailed article about a notable network: see WP:SPLITLIST. If a merge into the main article was an improvement, I would not be opposed but it would be an issue. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a detailed article unfortunately. It is a list. If it is a problem to merge per SPLITLIST, then a redirect would work. However, it would need to be notable per NLIST to have a standalone page. I looked and could not find reliable sources that talk about the list as a grouping but I have been proven wrong before if someone can provide those sources. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would tend to believe that, whenever the list format is appropriate, a list can be a detailed page on any given subject mentioned briefly in a section of another article. The subject is obviously a subtopic of Hum TV, it would be difficult to argue otherwise. See Template Main list (which uses the word Main where "Detailed" is to be understood). See also the template For Timeline, similar. If you want to redirect and merge, sure, if all agree and size is not an issue; but this type of page is pretty standard, though, by the way. Look at the categories and the pages they contain....
- For sources, you have for example, https://internationalrasd.org/journals/index.php/pjhss/article/download/1259/936/9962 ; or see Forging the Ideal Educated Girl: The Production of Desirable Subjects in Muslim South Asia (2018). But I consider WP:SPLITLIST to be the applicable section of the guideline and the fact that it's a pretty standard approach to programs of notable networks should imv encourage us to keep that list. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- "I would tend to believe that, whenever the list format is appropriate, a list can be a detailed page on any given subject mentioned briefly in a section of another article" - I like that thinking and generally it seems acceptable on its face. The problem is that the list must meet notability guidelines. If not, then it should stay mentioned briefly on the notable network page. Here there are only nine programs and they do not all appear to be original programs, just current programming. I do like "a pretty standard approach to programs of notable networks" as you mentioned above. They can easily be covered by the category as opposed to standalone list (for those that are "original programmin" - the rest are just TV Guide listings) in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a detailed article unfortunately. It is a list. If it is a problem to merge per SPLITLIST, then a redirect would work. However, it would need to be notable per NLIST to have a standalone page. I looked and could not find reliable sources that talk about the list as a grouping but I have been proven wrong before if someone can provide those sources. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
I am also concerned about the fate of borderline/mildly notable series/programs whose pages are redirected to pages like this (not about the pages themselves, but at the idea that the ATD is not an ATD). And more generally about the issue of notability of various lists like this. Allow me to quote User:Maile66's comment during a recent Afd: "Refer to Category:Lists of television series by network. Generally speaking, most of them list the programs they carry, and have no sourcing. Most of them are also kept current if programs are added or dropped. There are literally hundreds of stations involved, if not thousands of stations and programs involved. If anyone disagrees with how it's handled, I'd suggest discussing it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television." I think it's a fair concern. Either a broader discussion or a consensus that, yes, sourcing should be better but that this type of pages should generally be considered OK when the network is notable. A broader discussion would perhaps be helpful.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirects to the page are a concern but they should not have bearing on notability. Unfortunately, I think a lot of the programs may not meet notability guidelines but do not want to do a mass deletion. Maybe someone can take up the task and redirect them to the main station page. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:NLIST applies without any special exception and that in general lists of programs, where needed, can be handled within the article about the channel, and don't generally merit a stand-alone list article, unless such a list would pass the scrutiny per WP:NLIST. WP is not a WP:NOTDIRECTORY nor WP:NOTTVGUIDE —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Hum TV as WP:ATD. 2A00:23C6:139B:A101:78CA:7B5:3148:9172 (talk) 00:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep : I suggest to Keep the Article. As it a large number of notable program's are listed on it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:ad80:ab:6d1:1:0:713f:e3e2 (talk • contribs)
- Arguments to avoid: WP:NOTINHERITED. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- But 2402:ad80:ab:6d1:1:0:713f:e3e2 has a point; WP:TVGUIDE says: "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." (emphasis mine). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Arguments to avoid: WP:NOTINHERITED. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep : The only difference between this list and how other station programmings are done, is that usually the list of programming is a separate section at the bottom of the article for the station itself. In this case, they simply separated the list of programming into its own article. — Maile (talk) 12:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- What I am wondering is if there are sources that talk about this list as a group? Otherwise, it is a TVGUIDE listing and does not meet WP:NLIST. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your replies. To be honest I don't even understand how TVGUIDE applies here (nor to most of the lists mentioned above in Maile66's quote): "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." As for sources on Hum Tv programs as a set, see my reply above. And as for WP:NLIST is a guideline, sure, but so is WP:SPLITLIST that imv applies to all these lists of programs of notable networks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- What I am wondering is if there are sources that talk about this list as a group? Otherwise, it is a TVGUIDE listing and does not meet WP:NLIST. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Elmslie typology
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the typology in reliable sources. I found several mentions, but they were brief. toweli (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- The typology is potentially important and is often referred to but full publication and critical discussion are hard to find. In fact, this article is one of the fullest detailed explanations easily available, yet is lacking in citations back to RS original publication or critical coverage. Would suggest we need an article on this typology but serious revision is in order to tackle the source issues. Monstrelet (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A necessary counterpart to the Oakshott system for double-edged blades. I agree that better sourcing is necessary, but I see no need to trim back to only the sourced parts. Most low-rated articles lack full sourcing.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I've done some digging and it seems the entire system can be traced to this website and its owner, James G. Elmslie [8]. The site is no longer live but has been thoroughly archived at IA. One would expect this system to be listed under "Research" [9], but it isn't. As far as I can tell, it was made popular by this YouTube video, whose creator also uploaded diagrams to DeviantArt [10]. The YouTube video makes claims of increasing acceptance by the academic/museum community, so I searched Google Scholar and found several results [11]. Examples include [12][13][14][15] (note that the links 6 and 7 are parts 2 and 3 of one work). These cite the typology itself to two different versions of a book titled "The Sword: Form and thought", one from 2015 with first editor Grotkamp-Schepers and one from 2019 with first editor Deutscher. Links: [16][17]. I am working on verifying this book citation, but based on what I've found so far, this typology is indeed published in academic literature and is notable. Toadspike [Talk] 10:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have now checked the 2019 version of the book "The Sword: Form and Thought". Elmslie's work is indeed referenced on pages 169, 173, and 175, cited to "pers. comm.", which a quick search tells me means "Personal Communications" (with the author of the papers in question). I would argue that this shows Elmslie is a subject-matter expert as well, and sources he publishes himself (SPS) can be considered scholarly and reliable. Toadspike [Talk] 11:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Investigate Europe
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None of the sources that mention the subject cover it in depth, so fails the WP:SIRS test, and so fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- As AFC reviewer, I'm a keep here. The article probably needs a bit of work, but it does appear to meet WP:NMEDIA#Newspapers, magazines and journals on the surface, and appears to have been used and cited in a number of different reliable publication, as well as received coverage in various non-English sources, mainly French and Germans (see fr:Investigate_Europe for some more examples of this). I think that WP:GNG is met in this instance. Mdann52 (talk) 17:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Mdann52 is probably right. We tend to be more lenient with articles about sources anyway, because they have immediate practical value to editors (primarily when we are evaluating the reliability of sources for use in other articles). WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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St. James Armenian Church
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Unsourced article with no indication of notability. A BEFORE search finds nothing but run-of-the-mill local coverage of the church, and it's not a registered historic building. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Erasmus Student Network Armenia
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Local branch of Erasmus Student Network, no independent notability. Broc (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep- Working on expanding the article. ESN Armenia is quite active and one of the more notable student organizations within the country. English publications may be limited as most of the content referencing the org is in Armenian. Will continue to expand with refs. Any help is appreciated :) Archives908 (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge into a subsection of Erasmus Student Network. I do not think it is bad that the information is out there if verifiable and noteworthy enough to mention specifically, though ESN Armenia is hardly notorious enough to warrant their own WP article, considering that there are 44 national, and even more regional ESN network organisations. Note also that Erasmus Student Network Yerevan has also been created, and would merit the same treatment. --Konanen (talk) 18:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge this and Erasmus Student Network Yerevan into Erasmus Student Network. I can't find anything much other than social media or links to information and event involving the umbrella organisation in a search (including the sources in the article that I can read/translate), which suggests this is a local organisation not warranting it's own article. I note that none of the other national organisations have their own article, including ESN Russia and ESN UK, for example.— Iadmc♫talk 03:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Carl Schleicher
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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCLTALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCLTALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention? Ethanbas (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons 48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Here are the comments left by the reviewer:
- Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- 48JCLTALK 11:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
- The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now. FortunateSons (talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Unless we have better sourcing, I don't think the article is ready for mainspace... I mean, he exists, but finding any sort of critical mention of the fellow is difficult. [18] is but a brief mention in a caption, this won't open from my location [19], this talks about his daughter [20]. Sourcing now in the article is basic auction listings and links to images of his paintings, nothing about the individual himself. Having articles in other wiki versions does nothing for notability (and frankly they would likely be deleted as well for lack of sourcing). Oaktree b (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: He does have a Getty ULAN listing, which is helpful. [21], he appears in one German-language volume and what appears to be a database. I'm still not sure these are enough for our notability standards. Oaktree b (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The artist might not be ready for an article here, but the one painting showing the rabbis sitting and discussing at the table might have enough for an article; this from the Wikipedia Library [22], Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Adjustierung
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It seems like this article should be merged into articles about the German and Austrian militaries of various eras, which generally include discussion of uniforms. Just because there is a German word for "military uniform" doesn't mean that word is a distinct topic. We already have military uniform; the military uniforms of German-speaking countries (as opposed to Germany and Austria and Switerland, separately) don't make a natural subtopic of that. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Also, the words listed could just be added to Glossary of German military terms. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Austrian Open
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$5000 tournament at bwf international level which doesn't meet the notability criteria WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBAD. The only notable ones which get enough coverage in notable websites are World Tour tournaments.
Moreover the tournament winners are already mentioned here in Austrian International page as each of those editions can't be created on their own due to notability issue.zoglophie•talk• 08:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Draftify – As WP:ATD. The event is ongoing and the article was recently created, if there are more sources they can be added accordingly. Svartner (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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LYCONET
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Fails notability with reliable sources being primarily about Lyoness. Related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MyWorld. IgelRM (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Keep per presented sufficient newspaper coverage and general notability presented as a significant cashback entity, possibly one of the first global ones (operating since 2003).--Welcome to Pandora (talk) 08:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Azerbaijan
Aleksandr Anichenko
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Elnur Aslanov
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- Delete' being a department manager cannot make a person directly encyclopedic.--Correspondentman (talk) 10:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - The article has many sources, enough for Wikipedia:GNG, even searching for him unloads possible sources.
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Ceyhun Osmanli
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Being an Azerbaijani Deputy does not make a person encyclopedic. Not according to the criteria. --Correspondentman (talk) 11:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep yes it does. Members of national parliaments are notable under WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 11:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Clearly meets WP:NPOL as an Azeri MP. I have to question if the nominator even read the guideline they are presumably citing. Curbon7 (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Rashad Aslanov
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Current sources in the article don't pass WP:GNG and I couldn't find sources through a WP:BEFORE which discussed him in-depth. Suonii180 (talk) 17:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Miskin Abdal
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. References cited are unclear, poorly formatted and mostly incapable of verification. Unencyclopedic tone. Created and edited by sockpuppets. Geoff | Who, me? 16:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Although the article indeed has a lot of problems, these cannot be a reason for deletion. (The most major issue is the large amount of unsourced content, which may simply be removed.) The topic appears to be notable. There is significant coverage among a multitude of sources:[23][24][25][26][27] (The last two sources are solely on the details of his life and works.) Aintabli (talk) 03:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I did not find any references to the information added to the wiki page in the citations you provided. All I found were statements by those authors and nothing else. HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are 5 links, 2 being sources solely about him. I doubt you checked any of them. Your comment and vote below basically disregards what AfD is meant to be for. On top of this, we can all see you created your account 6 minutes before commenting here. Welcome back, I guess! Aintabli (talk) 02:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have checked all your citations from 1 to 5. None of them has any references to the claims made in them and in this Wikipedia article. If you think that I missed them, then you are welcome to present any documentations. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the point of those links. Aintabli (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I took a look to this page https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskin_Abdal. There are a lot of absurd statements, like Safavid King Sultan Hossain visited some village in nowadays republic of Armenia. Safavid King Ismail gave an order to M. Abdal and etc. They are absurd, because kings' orders were not given to anybody, but kept in chancery or diwan. There is no record of King Sultan Hossain visiting some village in that region. It seems articles about this person are hoaxes. HeritageGuardian (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's not the point of those links. Aintabli (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have checked all your citations from 1 to 5. None of them has any references to the claims made in them and in this Wikipedia article. If you think that I missed them, then you are welcome to present any documentations. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are 5 links, 2 being sources solely about him. I doubt you checked any of them. Your comment and vote below basically disregards what AfD is meant to be for. On top of this, we can all see you created your account 6 minutes before commenting here. Welcome back, I guess! Aintabli (talk) 02:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I did not find any references to the information added to the wiki page in the citations you provided. All I found were statements by those authors and nothing else. HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, clearly meets WP:GNG per [28], which is already cited in the article. Psychastes (talk) 18:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was unable to read this citation. I see that it was published in 2001. What kind of document or any evidence it has? thx HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I found the citation 6 at https://ia801605.us.archive.org/26/items/huseyn-ismayilov-miskin-abdal-2001/H%C3%BCseyn%20%C4%B0smay%C4%B1lov%20-%20Miskin%20Abdal%20%20-%202001.pdf. It is the same as citation 5 in previous log. There is no references to any documents. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - references to this article do not cite any documents that could support claims made in it. All of them are opinions of their authors.HeritageGuardian (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- 1. All citation for this article do not reference any well known Safavid literature, although in its first paragraph, it is stated that "many years was in charge of foreign affairs of the Safavid state under Shah Ismail Khatai (1487–1524)." Names of all persons who were in charge of foreign affairs during Shah Ismail are well known. None of them was an ashugh or had nickname Miskin Abdal or was from nowadays territory of Armenia as stated in this article
- 2. At page 38 of the first citation "https://www.academia.edu/40616613" there is a picture supposedly of an order given to M. Abdal by Safavid King Ismail. However, it is fake. Because non of the Safavids Kings had that kind of large seal and usually Safavid orders have seal at the top of the text but not at the bottom. Also, kings' orders were not given to anybody, but kept in chancery.
- 3. In the first paragraph of this article it is stated "He was the founder of the ashugh school" and again referred to this book "https://www.academia.edu/40616613, where there is no references proving this statement.
- 4. The second paragraph states "One of the brightest figures in the history of Azerbaijan, he played an important role in the development of science and art." and refers to a book, where I did not find any proof to this statement. Only statement by its author.
- 5. The third paragraph states "Under the name of Miskin, Abdal (Architect of the soul) was the creator of the literature of Azerbaijani minstrels - ashugh folk singers." to which there is no reference.
- 6. The fourth paragraph states "After many years of service at the court of Shah Ismail I Khatai, in 1524 he returned home. He opened the first school in Sariyagub ... " and refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskin_Abdal#cite_ref-3 However, the referred content does not have anything related to the above statement. So, the fourth paragraph is a completely false statement.
- 7. The rest of the article until the last sentence does not have any citations, so I accepted it as statement of users who created this article. Btw those users were identified as sockpuppets
- 1. All citation for this article do not reference any well known Safavid literature, although in its first paragraph, it is stated that "many years was in charge of foreign affairs of the Safavid state under Shah Ismail Khatai (1487–1524)." Names of all persons who were in charge of foreign affairs during Shah Ismail are well known. None of them was an ashugh or had nickname Miskin Abdal or was from nowadays territory of Armenia as stated in this article
- Due to the above reasons, I recommend this article be deleted immediately. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have investigated this article in depth and found out that this is a hoax for the following reasons.
- Delete, mostly per WP:INUNIVERSE and WP:V and WP:TNT. Searching his name on Google Scholar finds sources whose reliability I cannot evaluate stating that there was a sufi by this name at about this time period. For anything beyond that I get the impression that much is folklore (specifically, the epic "Miskin Abdal and Senuber" briefly mentioned in our article). Our article itself reads like it was transcribed from that epic, or maybe from a children's history book based on it. We need to clearly distinguish fact from folklore here, but we cannot do it with the current basis. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein Miskin Abdal was definitely not a fictional character. TNT feels really off here as I have pointed out given the problem is unsourced content, which I have removed now (thus not so difficult to solve). And the rest is easily solvable as the content is not much. Verifiability cannot be a reason for deletion alone, unless it is TNT. The results from Google Scholar are mostly academic journals. If the concern is their reliability, we would be better off assessing each one (44 results with one spelling) instead of making general statements. There is also a plethora of other sources that can be found on Google Books as well as those I have additionally linked above. Respectfully, I find this vote misguided since most sources are not in English, plus we most likely have a WP:SPA above (please check their edit history), who has gone so far to claim this is a hoax despite obvious WP:SIGCOV. Aintabli (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- When you say "Miskin Abdal was definitely not a fictional character" it is difficult to determine whether you mean that (1) someone by that name existed, (2) nobody ever wrote any fiction about him, or (3) the content of our article is not based on fiction. Those are different things and we need to distinguish them clearly. If there is verifiable and reliable content about the factual details of his life, that needs to be sourced. If our article is entirely based on an epic, it should be about the epic, not the character in it. So far the best evidence we have is a Google Books link that tells us the title of a book, which doesn't help resolve these questions. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein, I mean that someone by that name existed. Those are not the only sources, and Google Books has limited preview. See this for example, which is his entry in a biographical dictionary published by a university in Turkey. This is just an example of the variety of sources available about his life and not just his works. Aintabli (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Here are two more sources "solely" about him: paper from an academic journal and a book At this point, there are at least 5 publications shared here that delve into the details of his life and numerous other that are partially about him. As I have underlined, taking Miskin Abdal as a fictional character would be a huge misunderstanding, which you appear to have partially based your vote on. TNT leaves an open door to recreation, and as far as I know, is meant to be for incurable articles that would be timesinks to edit. A merely 50-100 word article does not fit into that description. Aintabli (talk) 22:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- When you say "Miskin Abdal was definitely not a fictional character" it is difficult to determine whether you mean that (1) someone by that name existed, (2) nobody ever wrote any fiction about him, or (3) the content of our article is not based on fiction. Those are different things and we need to distinguish them clearly. If there is verifiable and reliable content about the factual details of his life, that needs to be sourced. If our article is entirely based on an epic, it should be about the epic, not the character in it. So far the best evidence we have is a Google Books link that tells us the title of a book, which doesn't help resolve these questions. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein Miskin Abdal was definitely not a fictional character. TNT feels really off here as I have pointed out given the problem is unsourced content, which I have removed now (thus not so difficult to solve). And the rest is easily solvable as the content is not much. Verifiability cannot be a reason for deletion alone, unless it is TNT. The results from Google Scholar are mostly academic journals. If the concern is their reliability, we would be better off assessing each one (44 results with one spelling) instead of making general statements. There is also a plethora of other sources that can be found on Google Books as well as those I have additionally linked above. Respectfully, I find this vote misguided since most sources are not in English, plus we most likely have a WP:SPA above (please check their edit history), who has gone so far to claim this is a hoax despite obvious WP:SIGCOV. Aintabli (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Leyla Abdullayeva
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- NO GNG. Created for advertising and PR purposes. --Correspondentman (talk) 12:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The other language Wikipedias seem to have a better sourced version of this, with around ten separate sources, however I'm not sure about their quality.
- === Russian language ===
- === Azerbaijani Wikipedia ===
- Testeraccount101 (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, because AFD is made by sock of the banned user. User:Correspondentman is banned in Azerbaijani Wikipedia as a sock of User:Elshad Iman (Elşad İman). Here is the discussion. He (User:Elshadiman) has been banned on English Wikipedia for sockpuppetry. You might check the archive through this page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Elshadiman/Archive. On top of that he continues to use the same sock accounts in English Wikipedia that he used in azwiki: User:Redaksiya, User:90AA123 and User:Correspondentman, which has only 36 edits, all in AFD. Sock accounts cannot create AFDs. — Toghrul R (t) 06:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Azerbaijan's ambassador to France and former spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign affairs is a notable diplomat, and meets WP:GNG.--Nicat49 (talk) 20:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Belgium
Embassy of Belgium, Moscow
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Fails WP:ORG. Russian version of this article also only has 1 source. LibStar (talk) 05:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Belgium–Russia relations, where the embassy is mentioned, as an ATD. gidonb (talk) 03:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Bulgaria
Yalta (nightclub)
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Delete Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ORGSIG. The sources are almost entirely from DJ Mag which is a single source. Wikilover3509 (talk) 7:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - Per nominator
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Devora Radeva
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level does not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Poitín (band)
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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The founder and main contributor of the site is apparently someone from the band and the page is more a self-presentation. FromCzech (talk) 04:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Thank you for your thoughts. Do you have any suggestions to avoid it being deleted? Poitin31 (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm curious as well how to avoid deletion (I'm not a member of this band in case of any accusation of self-presentation). Kmarty (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I cannot see multiple reliable sources having covered this band in sufficient detail to meet notability requirements. C679 13:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Denmark
KoGaMa
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Clearly written as an advertisement with no indication of notability. Almost all sources are self-published. B3251(talk) 14:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Per nom, fails GNG. Suggest WP:SALT due to repeated recreations of a non-notable page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per above. Nothing good found in search either. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Attack on Mette Frederiksen
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Per WP:NOTNEWS. Should be merged into Mette Frederiksen#Personal life and would fit perfectly there. Absolutely no need for a separate article. CycloneYoris talk! 01:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment — An attack on a current head of government hardly counts as WP:NOTNEWS. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to Mette Frederiksen - WP:NOTNEWS, WP:SUSTAINED, take your pick. Yes, an attack on a current head of government can be a notable event, but...
On 7 June 2024, Frederiksen was purportedly shoved by a man in Kultorvet, Copenhagen.
Frederiksen sat down at a café after the attack.
~Adam (talk · contribs) 14:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC) - Merge to Mette Frederiksen. He wasn't really attacked, he was shoved and the sourcing reflects that. Easily covered in a sentance on the main article. Esolo5002 (talk) 15:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Mette Frederiksen - With all information. Clearly created at an early stage, anyways notable but not for a separate article.BabbaQ (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Mette Frederiksen per above. Uffda608 (talk) 16:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Mette Frederiksen. An egging would be more notable than this, and I doubt this would qualify for WP:10YT. Borgenland (talk) 16:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It slipped my tongue for the past 24 hours but finally, I'm also adding WP:LASTING for merge argument. Borgenland (talk) 15:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Mette Frederiksen. Not an attack really.--Catlemur (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Mette Frederiksen (where incident is already covered) per above. Økonom (talk) 18:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Mette Frederiksen. WP:CRIME and WP:BLPCRIME also apply. A separate Wikipedia article about a crime should not be created when the victim already has a pre-existing article, because they are a notable person for other reasons. Material about a suspect shouldn't be included in an article until a conviction is secured. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This event isn't notable enough to be remembered for any length of time. She was purely injured. The unknown person at the time of writing possibly never had a plan to use any weapons but to just shove. Unlike the other example in the article such as Fico's attempted assassination being an event likely to be remembered because a politician was injured by firearm by someone who opposed the Prime Minister's policies. 71.223.90.84 (talk) 14:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. Buffoons, why would you make an article on a man shoving someone, no matter how important they are. DementiaGaming (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge - I agree I was reading the article and thinking that this is too light to be considered attack. What's next, calling an insult an attack on a politician? This is a waste of data. Cganuelas (talk) 19:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. There doesn't seem to be enough relevant information on this to warrant a full article at this time, and from the description of the event, I would suspect very little will be forthcoming. DeemDeem52 (talk) 14:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Estonia
Dmitri Kurakin
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed without explanation. Not to be confused with Dmitry Kurakin, sociology professor at Yale University. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Bgsu98: multiple Estonian champion at senior-level championships, see [39] Estopedist1 (talk) 06:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ossanda Liber
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I know it has only been two months since the last nomination but that ended as no consensus, which was not an endorsement of notability. There has been another nationwide election since then and this candidate is still getting under 0.5%. There are sources about her, yes, but they're mainly discussing her candidacies and are part of a WP:ROUTINE coverage expected in a democracy. Some other parties are mainly based around the founder, such as Vox and Chega, but those parties have hundreds of other office holders and the founders have their own individual notability as office holders and nationally recognisable figures. Apart from being an unsuccessful candidate, what can be said about Liber that isn't about her party? The page used to have information about education and children, which I removed as unsourced per BLP. I also removed the blow-by-blow of setting up a political party, as that's obviously more about the organisation than about her. But the thing is, would we ever need to know personal information about someone this notable? I saw the comment before that Liber is notable as a founder and leader of a political party, but in a democracy it's reasonably easy to set up a party, and extremely easy to be the leader of your own party. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Liber's electoral history: 2021 Lisbon local election (0.36%), 2022 national election (voters in other European countries constituency) (0.08%), 2024 national election (Lisbon constituency) (0.18%), 2024 European election (0.18%). Not sure at which point someone becomes notable the hard way, like Bill Boaks. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging all previous commenters: AusLondonder Moondragon21 PamD SportingFlyer BlakeIsHereStudios Prima.Vera.Paula Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I translated this article into English from Portuguese as part of Women in Red. This page could potentially be merged into Nova Direita as it is considerably larger. 18:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete We do not keep articles on failed political candidates for a variety of different reasons under WP:NOT, and she's not notable for being the leader of a very small political party either. It's not impossible she'll be notable in the future, but at the moment I think this is an easy delete. SportingFlyer T·C 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Nova Direita - there isn't enough coverage to justify a separate article, a slightly-longer description of her in the party's article is sufficient. Not impossible this would change in the future. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 dissolution of the National Assembly
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It could be merged into the article of 2024 French legislative election. Cmsth11126a02 (talk) 07:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: The title "2024 dissolution of the National Assembly" does not even work. Maybe "2024 dissolution of the French national assembly" or if this is the first, then "Dissolution of the French national assembly". Redirecting this title to the target does not seem right, even though this is not a RM. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: This definitely has enough coverage right now. I can also expect sustained coverage, as this is the first time this has happened in France since 1997. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete/redirect The dissolution is just the call for the snap election, absolutely no reason whatsoever to have a separate article when it can be covered in the election's background. Sustained coverage will obviously be about the election, not the dissolution as an independent, unrelated topic. Do not make one-sentence pages like this either. Reywas92Talk 13:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to 2024 French legislative election. The topic is notable (and may well be discussed for years as either a successful gamble or an unsuccessful one), but it is probably best discussed in the article on the election itself. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge into 2024 French legislative election. Moondragon21 (talk 17:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- (Speedy) Redirect to 2024 French legislative election per nom; this should be uncontroversial. This topic should be part of that article; and in fact that article already contains more information than this one-sentence stub. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
November 2021 English Channel disaster
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The article concerns a single incident of the ongoing English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present) and does not need to have its own article. Firsttwintop (talk) 22:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep (at least for now) - I could be wrong but it being the most deadly of these reported incidents makes it notable right? Maybe in the future if (heaven forbid) something else happens that may not ring true but right now it is. 2406:5A00:CC0A:9200:F885:F46D:3F46:5787 (talk) 06:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The main article notes the incident properly: "On 24 November, the deadliest incident on record occurred. An inflatable dinghy carrying 30 migrants capsized while attempting to reach the UK, resulting in 27 deaths and one person missing. The victims included a pregnant woman and three children.". It would therefore fortify the request for it to be deleted simply because it lacks notability and it is not news. It is not appropriate in the context of the main article to create a standalone article for this one incident. Firsttwintop (talk) 21:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to English Channel migrant crossings (2018–present). This information isn't useless, but it belongs in the article about the main subject. There's no reason to split off random pieces of the topic into their own articles. Firsttwintop, did you create an account just to nominate it for deletion? There's no rule against that, but it's unusual. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The information is already on the article, but I support the gist of the proposal. Firsttwintop (talk) 00:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Isochem
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The company is a wholly owned subsidiary PMC Group International which does not have a wiki page or non-primary articles on it by reliable publications. of https://www.chemanager-online.com/en/news/pmc-buys-isochems-pharma-business Mixmon (talk) 11:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep No valid reason to delete. You have not proved that Isochem itself fails GNG. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep (but improve): Some news about this company could be found, mostly dealing with its buyout by PMC: [40], [41]. That might be just barely enough to meet WP:NCORP. I don't read/speak French, so someone who is able to parse French sources might be able to vet sources better than me. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Treujenn-gaol
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Likely fails wp:gng Heyallkatehere (talk) 10:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I added some text and references from the corresponding article in German. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Carole Bienaimé
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I don't think the notability criteria has been met. The article was created and primarily written by an apparent pair of sockpuppet COI editors: Shoushanne and Santa monique. Santa monique also uploaded both photos of Bienaimé, claiming them as their own work. Risedemise (talk) 11:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Guillaume Besse (entrepreneur)
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I don't think the notability criteria has been met. The article was created and primarily written by an apparent pair of sockpuppet COI editors: Shoushanne and Santa monique. They were focused mainly on Carole Bienaimé, whose article identifies her as married to Besse. Santa monique also uploaded the photos of Bienaimé. Risedemise (talk) 11:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Very Important Party
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties. toweli (talk) 08:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge with Demoscene#List of demoparties. — Maile (talk) 13:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Saturne Party
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties. toweli (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties. This is such a niche subject that this doesn't make sense as a standalone. — Maile (talk) 13:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Homa (company)
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Routine announcements only, not meeting NCORP. BoraVoro (talk) 13:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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Comment - The article was created and edited by User:Kevin Wolstenholme who has a self-declared conflict of interest with the article subject. --Mika1h (talk) 14:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Doesn't satsify WP:GNG for my liking and shouldn't be made by COI editor. MaskedSinger (talk) 08:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It has coverage from sources that indicate notability - VentureBeat (considered reliable) and Techcrunch (likely reliable in this instance). It may need paring-down, no doubt, as some of the content referenced from less reliable sources may not meed the standard. WmLawson (talk) 00:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Télé Lyon Métropole
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insufficient notability or coverage in reliable sources. Additionally, it may lack independent, third-party references to establish its significance in the context of television broadcasting. Welcome to Pandora (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep One would expect a TV station reaching 1.3 million inhabitants fulfills WP:GNG and it does. The French Wikipedia article shows an abundance of WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. I agree the article needs to be updated and better sourced (the TV station seemingly does not exist anymore), but WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Broc (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It appears that BFM Lyon Métropole is the rebrand/successor of this station [42]. There is no sourced content in the (English) article; the article should not be kept in its current form. A redirect (to BFM TV) might be better than trying to fix this article. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Loïc Jean-Albert
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Declined prod. With only 2 google news hits, the first one not being in-depth, not enough coverage to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 16:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- weak keep: [43], [44] and [45] give at least basic coverage of this person, he was an early adopter of the wing suit it seems. Oaktree b (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
BoOzy' OS and the Cristal Gem
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This appears to fail WP:NFILM. This was a short film which was submitted to a 2013 Dailymotion contest connected with Annecy ("+ de courts"), but which did not win the judging ([46]). I can't find any mention of it in the archived Annecy web site, nor can I find any substantial coverage online, just a lot of entries in film databases and an unusual amount of media on Commons (for now, at least: c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by REDƎYE). Omphalographer (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Can't find any substantial coverage in secondary sources outside of a blog or two. Nowhere good to redirect to, it isn't mentioned in Annecy International Animation Film Festival and there's no article for the director. Odd that a French film has articles in 30 languages but not French. hinnk (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, it was in French Wikipedia but they deleted it years ago as non-notable. hinnk (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I find many secondary sources on Google : a critic review in Romania, another in London (2023), an interview in Paris (2014), another in India (2023), etc. IMDB shows 1700 votes, 8 awards and 1 nomination. This seems to me to be very ample in terms of notoriety for a short film ^^ (note : I remember the AFD in FR in 2014 : at that time, there was not enough sources (only 1 interview I think) but with today awards and coverage, I think the article should be recreated in FR) --Supersonic888 (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is not 8 but 10 wins, and not 1 but 4 nominations ^^ I just added "Critical response" and "accolades" sections with sources on the article. --Supersonic888 (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Interviews are primary sources that don't help meet the general notability guideline, those two reviews are both from sites that accept payment for reviews ([47]
[48][49]), and the World Film Carnival Singapore site you added to the article was running malware that immediately redirected me without even showing a review. Do you understand my concern when someone says a subject is very ample in terms of notoriety, with this as the evidence? hinnk (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC) - I'm admittedly not an expert on the film industry, but most of those awards appear to be from monthly online competitions, not notable film festivals. For example, the "Rome International Movie Awards" is a blog which issues dozens of awards to amateur films every month. Omphalographer (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am not an expert on the film industry either but it seems they paid for participating in festivals, not for reviews or awards. I didn't have any problem for visiting the World Film Carnival site (no malware for me) ^^
- The fact that it is an amateur film (if it is one? I don't know) does not seem to me to be a criterion for deletion: we are talking about notoriety and I believe that this point is respected, internationally (I add that on Commons there are photos showing the director with trophies at these festivals in Asia, which also shows international distribution).
- If we look at Category:2013 animated short films and IMDB (when available):
- Aruvu Rezuru: Kikaijikake no Yōseitachi = 23 votes
- Backward Run = 77 votes, 1 win & 3 nominations
- The Blue Umbrella (2013 film) = 11000 votes, 1 nomination, 17 critics (Pixar)
- A Boy and His Atom = 454 votes, 1 critic
- The Chaperone 3D = 90 votes, 7 wins & 4 nominations, 1 critic
- Death Billiards = 2100 votes, 2 critics
- The End of Pinky = 51 votes, 2 nominations, 3 critics
- Game Over (2013 film) = 0 vote
- Get a Horse! = 5600 votes, 2 wins & 2 nominations, 20 critics (Mickey)
- Gloria Victoria = 137 votes, 1 win & 7 nominations, 5 critics
- Hollow Land = 58 votes, 8 wins & 3 nominations, 1 critic
- Impromptu (2013 film) = 28 votes, 1 nomination, 1 critic
- Kick-Heart = 1000 votes, 1 wins & 3 nominations, 9 critics
- Mary & Myself = 16 votes, 1 nomination
- The Missing Scarf = 468 votes, 15 wins & 5 nominations, 4 critics
- Missing U (film) = 26 votes
- Mr Hublot = 5200 votes, 6 wins & 2 nominations, 14 critics
- Party Central = 3700 votes (Disney Pixar)
- The River's Lazy Flow = 11 votes, 1 win & 1 nomination
- The Scarecrow (2013 film) = 248 votes, 5 wins
- The Smurfs: The Legend of Smurfy Hollow = 986 votes, 1 nomination, 13 critics (The Smurfs)
- Subconscious Password = 198 votes, 3 wins & 5 nominations, 4 critics
- Toy Story of Terror! = 18000 votes, 6 wins & 10 nominations, 31 critics (Disney Pixar)
- This is to show that with 1700 votes it has more votes than most other films, even more than The Smurfs. Only 6 blockbuster films have more votes (Disney Pixar, Mickey, etc).
- To me, all this is significant in terms of notoriety even though one could still argue that some votes could be rigged. Supersonic888 (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- User votes on IMDb are not in any way, shape, or form a measure of notability (nor "notoriety"). Omphalographer (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, and that's not what I'm basing it on here (I just point this out, in addition to my remarks), but it's an interesting indicator ^^ Supersonic888 (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- User votes on IMDb are not in any way, shape, or form a measure of notability (nor "notoriety"). Omphalographer (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Interviews are primary sources that don't help meet the general notability guideline, those two reviews are both from sites that accept payment for reviews ([47]
- This is not 8 but 10 wins, and not 1 but 4 nominations ^^ I just added "Critical response" and "accolades" sections with sources on the article. --Supersonic888 (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the sources are fine with me and the notoriety seems sufficient to me, with good worldwide coverage. However, some festivals mentioned are a bit light (Morocco Fest and Oregon Film Festival: there is only one primary source). The article seems acceptable to me on Wikipedia in French as well --CineDany (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Convinced by the arguments, sources ok for me. The only point that would make me hesitate would be the film’s absence from major review aggregation websites such as Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. --SuperKFuu (talk) 15:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not impressed by the quality of the sources; this seems to fail the notability guidelines. There's a concerted effort by the creators to prop up the work across Wikimedia projects but the coverage just isn't there. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Based on the references that have been added, I put together a quick source assessment to evaluate where we are now. It seems to me like WP:GNG has still not been reached. hinnk (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by User:hinnk
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IMDb | WP:IMDB | ? | ✘ No | |
C2S Network | Press kit | ✘ No | ||
Dailymotion contest | ? | Just the title listed as a contest winner, although "More infos" section lists a different winner | ✘ No | |
AllMovie | ~ WP:ALLMUSIC, AllMovie ratings seem unreliable since they're included even on upcoming/lost films | Mostly facts imported from Wikidata, otherwise just the numerical rating | ✘ No | |
World Film Carnival Singapore | ? | ? | ? Dead link, failed verification, Internet Archive page is also empty | ? Unknown |
Monkey Bread Tree | ~ | Offers coverage as a paid service | ✘ No | |
fiffest | ~ | Offers coverage as a paid service | ✘ No | |
Paris à contre-jour | Interview | ? | ? Dead link, failed verification | ✘ No |
Oniros Film Awards | ? | Just the title listed | ✘ No | |
Sea & Beach Film Festival | ? | Just the title listed | ✘ No | |
Druk International Film Festival | ? | Just the title listed | ✘ No | |
World Film Carnival Singapore | ? | Just the title listed | ✘ No | |
Cult Critic Movie Awards | ? | Just the title listed | ✘ No | |
Rome International Movie Awards | ? | Just the title listed | ✘ No | |
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- Delete: The film is not notable per our standards. Little to no coverage in .fr sources, this is the best [50], it's basically a listing akin to the imdb. The awards won are not notable (none from notable film festivals), nor can I find confirmation of the Annecy win (the source used, Dailymotion, is not reliable). Annecy is a big deal in France, and the fact that zero media there have covered it is proof of non-notability. Here's the search [51] in Gnews, looking for sources from France: listings for kombucha drinks and other kinds of nonsense, completely unrelated ot this film. Oaktree b (talk) 03:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Here's the French wiki deletion discussion from 2015: [52]... The sources found were the films sponsors, none of which were in French either. Oaktree b (talk) 03:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record: My French is limited but you're just reading the Afd nom's rationale apparently....and he (nor anyone on that page) does not say that no sources in French existed.... (not that it should have mattered the least, btw). Also, shall we delete every page the French Wikipedia has decided to delete? Good luck. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. In addition, the AfD on the French wiki is from 2015, whereas most sources provided here are more recent. Not only should this comment not be considered, but it also makes me wonder if the French article could not be restored. Streets4rage (talk) 13:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record: My French is limited but you're just reading the Afd nom's rationale apparently....and he (nor anyone on that page) does not say that no sources in French existed.... (not that it should have mattered the least, btw). Also, shall we delete every page the French Wikipedia has decided to delete? Good luck. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List_of_animated_short_films#2013: and add the sources there, if it's judged insufficient for a page; but not opposed to Keep myself, given the sources presented and the number of screenings/awards. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for many reasons that follow the guidelines:
- the film is worldwidely distributed and has received full-length reviews by at least three critics ten years after its initial release
- the film is historically notable as it was screened in at least two (maybe up to eight or more?) festivals more than five years after initial release
- in addition the film has been covered in at least two books in English (which I have added in the bibliography section) including one which considers it one of Dailymotion 120 successes
- the Hungarian film database Mafab ranks the film as the 30th (among 3181) best short film and the 291st (among 3708) best animated film
- and by searching for “BoOzy’ OS and the Cristal Gem” on Google, I found on the 1st page that the film is ranked 6th among the most consulted film listings on this French database. By the way, speaking of numbers, if we look closely at the Dailymotion source, the film had been watched on this website 144,032 times as of October 6, 2014, ie about a year and a half after its release. These numbers, like IMDB's, do not establish its notoriety but it is a coherent whole that is find almost everywhere which indicates that it has a substantial audience and not just limited to one geographical area.
In a short time, this is all I find; I don't have time to look further but all this (including comments above) seem really more than enough to me --Streets4rage (talk) 14:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- We don't consider online views or listings in databases to prove notability. Unless the numbers are audited, they can be tricked/gamed by streaming farms. Similarly for online music, we don't use Apple/Spotify streams/downloads as proof of notability as they aren't audited the way radio airplay is or album sales at the retail channels are. Being 291st out of 3000-something films isn't terribly notable either... Oaktree b (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Streets4rage, thanks for adding the book sources to the bibliography. Unfortunately, neither of these meet the standard for reliable sources. You'll notice Dailymotion 120 Success Secrets was immediately removed by an uninvolved editor because Emereo Publishing republishes content that mirrors Wikipedia content. World Book of Short Films is a self-published book, which means it isn't acceptable as a source. I would recommend being a lot more cautious when taking facts from a press kit. hinnk (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Oaktree b, about numbers, Streets4rage did not write anything of the sort, quite the contrary: "These numbers, like IMDB's, do not establish its notoriety". 291st out of 3708 isn't terribly notable, but 30th out of 3181 is (but before making me say what I did not say: that does not establish notoriety ^^) - on the other hand, the first two points mentioned by Streets4rage do ("three critics ten years after its initial release" & "screened in at least two (maybe up to eight or more?) festivals more than five years after initial release"). Supersonic888 (talk) 13:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Here is another source assessment table, based on those from Hinnk and Streets4rage (which was removed even though it contained important info for this vote). I think Hinnk is right about the books, so I'm editing here what Streets4rage wrote. It seems to me like WP:GNG has been reached. --Supersonic888 (talk) 14:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Supersonic888
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Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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IMDb | WP:IMDB | ✘ No | ||
C2S Network | Press kit | ✘ No | ||
Dailymotion contest | They are the organizers of the contest | It's clear: the film was chosen by the public, and the jury chose another one |
✔ Yes | |
AllMovie | ~ WP:ALLMUSIC, AllMovie ratings seem unreliable since they're included even on upcoming/lost films | Mostly facts imported from Wikidata, otherwise just the numerical rating | ✘ No | |
World Film Carnival Singapore | ~ I was able to access the link a few days ago, but the page loads endlessly today. Maybe the site is under maintenance? I don't know how Internet Archive works, so I'm not validating it at this time. |
~ Partial | ||
Monkey Bread Tree | WP:AGF we should assume good faith: creators said they didn't pay for it |
✔ Yes | ||
fiffest | WP:AGF we should assume good faith: creators said they didn't pay for it |
✔ Yes | ||
Paris à contre-jour | Interview | link ok with Internet Archive, only video does not load and can be accessed here |
✘ No | |
Cult Critic | Interview | ✘ No | ||
Oniros Film Awards | IMDB qualifying | ~ This is the official announcement of the winners, there is nothing more to say |
~ Partial | |
Sea & Beach Film Festival | IMDB qualifying | ~ This is the official announcement of the winners, there is nothing more to say |
~ Partial | |
Druk International Film Festival | IMDB qualifying | ~ This is the official announcement of the winners, there is nothing more to say |
~ Partial | |
World Film Carnival Singapore | IMDB qualifying | ~ This is the official announcement of the winners, there is nothing more to say |
~ Partial | |
Cult Critic Movie Awards | IMDB qualifying | ~ This is the official announcement of the winners, there is nothing more to say |
~ Partial | |
Rome International Movie Awards | IMDB qualifying | ~ This is the official announcement of the winners, there is nothing more to say |
~ Partial | |
Dailymotion 120 Success Secrets | Emereo Publishing republishes content that mirrors Wikipedia content | Page 10 | ✘ No | |
World Book of Short Films | self-published book | Page 49 | ✘ No | |
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- Supersonic888, please remove my name as the preparer of that table, its conclusions are very different than mine. In particular, the standard for WP:SIGCOV is that a source "addresses the topic directly and in detail". Meeting this with sources that do not discuss the subject in detail is not a reasonable interpretation. Similarly, invoking WP:AGF about whether or not the creators paid for coverage is off-topic. WP:RS is for evaluating the publication, not the production studio. We don't conduct our own investigations into the article's subject, we identify questionable sites that are sponsored/promotional in nature and then don't use them.
- I appreciate your adding additional detail about how you accessed World Film Carnival Singapore. The Internet Archive has made backups of the URL in question 4 times in the past year, and it shows that the page has been broken for quite some time. For me, it strains credulity that the page was broken when I visited it on May 28, came back up only when you visited it later that day, and then immediately broke again for everyone. The place you would've been able to been able to get that quote would be the C2S press kit. That would mark the second time an editor in this AfD added material from the press kit that they couldn't actually have accessed but glossed over that fact.
- Since I don't have time to do it myself, I would ask that the AfD closer evaluate this discussion for any signs of meat puppetry or off-wiki canvassing. hinnk (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Hinnk, sorry about your name, I copied and pasted the table and didn't see it. It wouldn't have bothered me if you had changed it ^^
- As for WP:AGF, I copied and pasted what Streets4rage wrote, too. I mentioned it and any way, it seems fair to me: your link for a paid service does not say that all reviews were purchased.
- To be more specific about the World Film Carnival Singapore, I accessed the link at least a year ago through Facebook. But yes, I copied the link from the press kit, as for the other 2 reviews, which was easier because everything is in the same place (try to find a Facebook post from a year ago, good luck ^^). Besides, on my computer the link was grayed out, which shows that I had already accessed it. I cleared the cache this afternoon (French time) and since then it loads endlessly. I tried your archive links and it didn't work neither. I don't know how to put another date.
- I don't see what this proves about me and I don't know what else to tell you, sorry. Yes, you can ask that the AfD closer evaluate this discussion for any signs of meat puppetry or off-wiki canvassing (I have more interesting things to do than that ^^), I won't speak for the others contributors but personally I don't mind ^^ Supersonic888 (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I am super curious how some people found this AfD. (For transparency, I found it through a Commons file deletion discussion).
- Streets4rage hasn't edited this project since 2023 before finding this.
- SuperKFuu hasn't edited since 2022 before finding this.
- Supersonic888 has one edit in 2023 and otherwise also hadn't edited since 2022 before finding this.
- CineDany had 9 edits since 2021 before finding this
- I suspect some sort of outside canvassing is going on here. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Hello The Squirrel Conspiracy,
- And I'm super surprised to read how you "arrange" and interpret things... So much bad faith!
- As for me:
- you probably haven't seen it, but I contribute mainly to the Wiki in FR (I'm not a big contributor, does that prevent me from giving my opinion?).
- you probably haven't seen it, too, but I participated in the debate on Commons on May 2 (because I used two images to illustrate the article in FR "Sonic the Hedgehog (films dérivés)", since I have to justify myself), almost a month before the opening of this discussion...
- and by the way, you deleted the images on this article in FR so that you could then delete them on Commons... well done.
- worse, you deleted the entire mention by indicating: « This was already deleted on fr.wiki as spam », which is totally false: the article was deleted as not notable, as already mentioned in the present discussion. You can also check it there: Discussion:BoOzy' OS et la Gemme de Cristal/Admissibilité. So this is absolutely not spam, it is an obvious lie - maybe to deceive contributors? I find it shameful coming from a contributor who seems experienced.
- I see that you closed the discussion on Commons, even though there was no consensus yet, in defiance of the contributors who defended the topic.
- Ah, since you seem to insist on super: my name here is Supersonic888, it starts with super, just like SuperKFuu... How doubtful! And Streets4rage starts with an S... Mmm. Lol ^^
- More seriously: no one asked me to intervene here, I did it on my own. Again, please do some checking, I don't mind.
- You think what you want, but it's very unpleasant to come here and read all these suspicions. So if you suspect, check rather than writing it down to sow doubt.
- Moreover, I imagine that by reading what you have written, a contributor who would like to leave an opinion for conservation risks not expressing his opinion, for fear of being accused too. In any case, it makes me regret having participated. Thank you. Supersonic888 (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and I just see that you asked for a speed deletion on all wikis with the message: "Spam. I believe there is a coordinated effort off-site to promote this non-notable project across a large number of Wikipedia languages. Already deleted on fr.wiki and will likely be deleted on en.wiki shortly."
- Once again, you use the word spam. No comment.
- In addition, you request a deletion without discussion, on a simple assumption on your part. For instance, I see on NL: "It must meet the requirements for speedy deletion, otherwise use the regular procedure for nominating pages."
- And once again, you are using the pretext of the deleted FR article. As Streets4rage wrote and at the risk of being accused again: "the AfD on the French wiki is from 2015, whereas most sources provided here are more recent.",
- And by the way, tell me if I'm wrong, but aren't the rules different from one wiki to another?
- But the worst thing is that you already consider that the page is going to be deleted, even though the debate is not closed and is far from consensus.
- Since the majority of articles have been deleted, you can justify the deletion on Commons. Well done!
- And you even removed images from Commons that are still used in Wikipedia articles. But since they are going to be deleted, you are getting a head start ^^
- Basically, there is no point in arguing here, your decision has already been made. What is the point of this discussion then? Supersonic888 (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dailymotion is not significant coverage, it's literally a photo from the film. IMdB qualifying still implies user-supplied content, so not a reliable source. MonkeyBread Tree says on their FAQ:"Due to our small body of people working within the selection committee, we only grant submission fee waivers on a case by case review. We often only waive fees when someone has certain exceptional issues which would prevent them from being able to enter the festival without our help, such as: international blockades against a particular country, trade restrictions and a severe lack of funds…". Submission fees are paying, so again, not a valid sourcing. None of these are useful as sources. Oaktree b (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Fiffest also takes payment for films: [54]. Have you even reviewed these sources before presenting your analysis? Oaktree b (talk) 00:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Oaktree b,
- I don't know how IMdB "accept" festivals entries, but for example I don't find there the "Paris à contre-jour" award, which makes me think that it is not a recognized festival. So they accept some festivals, but not all (once again I don't know the criteria). I also don't know how IMdB validates its data, but I doubt it's simply with a declaration from users (at least for awards) because otherwise it would be easy to add fake awards in order to say that a film got an award at a major festival (Cannes, for example). On the contrary, I believe that this information is verified, I don’t see how it could be otherwise.
- As for the festival fees, I understand what you say, and thank you for this Fiffest link (which I didn't read at the time: I admit I just looked at the film review). There are entry fees, that's a fact. Creators said they "pay to participate in festivals" (so no contradiction here), not that they purchased awards or reviews, which is very different. And about these fees, isn't this the case for all festivals? I am not an expert on the film industry but I can't imagine a festival like Cannes being free, otherwise they would be flooded with films. So yes, I agree the 8 (or 10) awards here have not the same value as the Cannes one, that’s obvious and I understand that this could not be a sufficient argument. But anyway, following WP:NFILM:
- 1/ "the film is worldwidely distributed and has received full-length reviews by at least three critics ten years after its initial release" (if in doubt that the link for the World Film Singapore review is not found, we will say two critics).
- 2/ "the film is historically notable as it was screened in at least two (maybe up to eight or more?) festivals more than five years after initial release"
- Supersonic888 (talk) 17:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- But the film festivals are not notable and we still have no extensive coverage about it. That's the matter here. Oaktree b (talk) 21:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- There's a fairly clear quid pro quo inherent to most of these online monthly film festivals. Of course they don't explicitly say "yes, here's the price for each award you win" - but when they give out dozens of awards every month, describe themselves up front as an "IMDb qualifying competition", and don't publish lists of non-award-receiving participants, I don't think it's any real secret what's going on. Omphalographer (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- They still aren't notable, these are basically diploma mills. Oaktree b (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Oaktree b and Omphalographer,
- About lists of non-award-receiving participants, I couldn't find them on their website, too (maybe on social media? Too long to check, there are too much posts/photos). Creators said "Sometimes we've won awards (IMDb certified for those mentioned - do you think IMDb would support fake awards?), sometimes been nominated, sometimes just been selected, sometimes not.". On the film's Facebook page ([55]), I see that the film has been selected in other festivals than those mentioned here (Luleå International Film Festival in Sweden, Lift-Off Global Network at Pinewood Studios (UK, with "Vimeo on demand" service by the way), Prisma Film Awards in Rome...) and then nothing. So I guess the film did'nt win anything there, which shows that awards are not given to everyone.
- I just consulted World Film Carnival Singapore and Cult Critic Movie Awards (which are both very messy), there are a lot of sources (but some seem of poor quality to me, it will need cleaning). It seems that there is an annual screening (and not monthly) and that the trophies are only awarded once a year, to the best films/directors (the monthly awards would be a sort of qualification?). On Google, I actually see only few people with these trophies. So these festivals may be diploma mills, but maybe not trophy mills. The director of the Cristal Gem won at least 2 (there were photos on Commons, which have just been deleted while the discussion is not closed) and his film was screened with a trophy presentation ceremony (at least in Singapore and Paro, I haven't checked for other cities/countries). For a small 5-minute French short film, I find it remarkable.
- PS: I just found a secondary source for the Oniros Awards on universalmovies.it (film was finalist, before being nominated), which I will add to the article ^^ Supersonic888 (talk) 14:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
On Google, I actually see only few people with these trophies.
Yeah, that's because they charge extra for those. I'm not even kidding - for example, the rules for the Oniros Film Awards state that "Trophies are optional, are not included in the submission fee and all Winners may order the trophy by paying production costs and shipping costs". Omphalographer (talk) 18:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)- These are small, non-notable "film festivals" that have no notability offline. Sure, there's always the chance they can become notable in time, but we aren't there yet. We had a similar discussion in the last year about a Belgian film that involved time travel/ancient Egypt, using much of the same arguments here; for the life of me, I can't remember the name. These festivals were and are thinly veiled PR items that anyone can submit to after paying a fee, then can "Win". Paying for your trophy isn't really helping disprove my point either... Oaktree b (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- They still aren't notable, these are basically diploma mills. Oaktree b (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Fiffest also takes payment for films: [54]. Have you even reviewed these sources before presenting your analysis? Oaktree b (talk) 00:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Michel Pontremoli
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Doesn't meet WP:BASIC C F A 💬 02:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment could you elaborate on why none of the sources meet BASIC in your opinion? FortunateSons (talk) 09:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep the biography in Educational Institutions Pamphlets (which is actually a 1950 L'Ecole National D'Administration book) plus short mentions in La Rabia De La Expresion, Le conseil d'état et le régime de Vichy", and the State Council plaque should be sufficient for WP:NBASIC. There are other short mentions, perhaps some longer ones, on GScholar. Oblivy (talk) 02:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Leyla Abdullayeva
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- NO GNG. Created for advertising and PR purposes. --Correspondentman (talk) 12:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The other language Wikipedias seem to have a better sourced version of this, with around ten separate sources, however I'm not sure about their quality.
- === Russian language ===
- === Azerbaijani Wikipedia ===
- Testeraccount101 (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, because AFD is made by sock of the banned user. User:Correspondentman is banned in Azerbaijani Wikipedia as a sock of User:Elshad Iman (Elşad İman). Here is the discussion. He (User:Elshadiman) has been banned on English Wikipedia for sockpuppetry. You might check the archive through this page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Elshadiman/Archive. On top of that he continues to use the same sock accounts in English Wikipedia that he used in azwiki: User:Redaksiya, User:90AA123 and User:Correspondentman, which has only 36 edits, all in AFD. Sock accounts cannot create AFDs. — Toghrul R (t) 06:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Azerbaijan's ambassador to France and former spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign affairs is a notable diplomat, and meets WP:GNG.--Nicat49 (talk) 20:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ennepetal hostage taking
- Ennepetal hostage taking (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article on a hostage taking that lasted one day from 19 years ago, created the day of the hostage taking, uncited even then. Article has sat largely untouched for the past two decades. There are sources exclusively from the day this happened. The only thing I found that wasn't from the actual day this occurred was a 1 paragraph mention in a list of German hostage crises from 2010, which does not have enough detail to build an article from.
Fails WP:NEVENT. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Emicho
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Article is a mess with multiple WP:BLPVIO issues. The seeming lack of information about Count Emicho outside the wall of text about the First Crusade or Rhineland massacres seems to confirm the article lacks WP: NOTABILITY. The article even had a Holocaust reference in it for whatever reason, until I removed it. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Salutation yet again, I'm going to CV what I said on your talk page.
- "it is obvious to me that the article in question is mostly un-sourced, and what sources it does use are secondary or "primary anonymous accounts" which contradict whatever this person did or at least claimed to have done. I might add also that is a point of contention with the Jewish people since most see him as a barbaric Christian who mindlessly killed their peers, also those "primary anonymous accounts" are allegedly written by Jewish authors, which makes this situation even more concerning. History is not about personal vendettas nor is it about claiming that only one party is to blame while the other is innocent. If those alleged did happen then why does not one Christian author (in the article itself) has wrote about it? More likely Emicho has taken the role of a fall guy to blame everything on him as a reflection of Jewish (justified) hatred of Christians." Ukudoks (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Fantastic Mr. Fox, this cannot possibly violate WP:BLP because the subject has been dead for 1,000 years. Curbon7 (talk) 21:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- "there were many accounts stating the legend that Emicho's soul is guarding the gate of Rhineland" Did he/she even exist to begin with? For such a notorious individual we know close to absolutely nothing about his/her personal life etc. I agree with :@Fantastic Mr. Fox: that we should delete this article or at least modify it entirely and build from there Ukudoks (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A basic Google search for Emicho of Flonheim (which is probably what this article should be titled) exclusively in English returned a plethora which provide WP:SIGCOV, including but not limited to: two journal articles ([66][67]), at least two biographical dictionary entries ([68][69]), and an entire book chapter ([70]). I have not conducted a search in German, but am reasonably confident SIGCOV-providing sources exist in that language too, as this encyclopedia entry lists two German sources including another journal article specifically about him. Curbon7 (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Those historians are using at least four primary sources which have been alleged to be created by Jewish "anonymous accounts", that is the root of our question. How can we know those anonymous sources were telling the truth? Simply put, we don't know
- As I've stated above it is a point of contention with Jewish individuals that use it as ammunition (for good reasons too) against the Crusades and/or Christianity.
- Thus while it might have a plethora of secondary sources, it doesn't have a plethora of primary sources that at least have a somewhat coherent timeline with what happened. Ukudoks (talk) 22:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- With respect, this argument has absolutely no basis in any WP:P&G. An academic source can certainly be unreliable based on the quality (or lack thereof) of their sourcing, but simply being partially sourced to anonymous primary accounts is not itself damning and is in fact quite regular in historical writing. To quote from WP:SECONDARY:
A secondary source provides thought and reflection based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. [...] They rely on primary sources for their material, making analytic or evaluative claims about them
. Curbon7 (talk) 22:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)- With all due respect if you look at the references on Emicho's article and Rhineland massacres article it heavily relies on secondary sources. And let us not forget modern biases which cloud almost all historians who work for public institutions, most of them (I'm making an assumption here) are simply regurgitating unrealiable information. Whether or not I can claim what historians are writing and/or telling is the truth or not is irrelevant because all of us know, they are clueless as much as we are.
- I think better option is for an independent Wikipedian to look through the surviving archives and find out what really is going on. Ukudoks (talk) 22:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- With respect, this argument has absolutely no basis in any WP:P&G. An academic source can certainly be unreliable based on the quality (or lack thereof) of their sourcing, but simply being partially sourced to anonymous primary accounts is not itself damning and is in fact quite regular in historical writing. To quote from WP:SECONDARY:
- Keep. I'm not sure what happening with this article right now, but it used to be perfectly fine. If I remember correctly it was once known as "Emich of Leiningen" but I think it was moved to avoid confusion with another person with the same/a similar name. Anyway he was a real and notable guy and there are plenty of sources about him. Adam Bishop (talk) 22:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Those "plenty" sources (I assume that you mean secondary and not primary) are not stated on Wikipedia as far as I can tell. Ukudoks (talk) 22:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The only primary sources I can find on wikipedia (relating to Emicho's role in the massacres) are:
- Albert of Aix, Historia Hierosolymitana
- Mainz Anonymous
- Solomon bar Simson Chronicle
- Eliezer bar Nathan Chronicle
- While others are secondary and therefore unreliable. Ukudoks (talk) 22:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Those "plenty" sources (I assume that you mean secondary and not primary) are not stated on Wikipedia as far as I can tell. Ukudoks (talk) 22:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Unless he's some sort of super human that lives for 1000 yrs, I don't think we have to worry about BLP violations. Might not be neutrally written, but AfD isn't cleanup. We have this [71], [72] and the book chapter shown above, it's fine. BDP perhaps, deceased people ? Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Nico Blum
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Non-notable darts player per WP:SPORTCRIT. I found no significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 00:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Jill Vernekohl
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Nothing since retirement. Google search yields nothing but wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Cameron Guarino
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The same article was deleted at Cam Guarino by User:Kuru. I tagged this article for speedy deletion but it was declined by User:GB fan. User:Namiba 02:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: The article at Cam Guarino was created by a check-user verified paid editing sock evading a block on another account. I've added 'Johnson Abigail' to an existing follow-up. Sam Kuru (talk) 11:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have blocked the article's author, Johnson Abigail, as a sock. GB fan - I don't mind allowing this discussion to play out, but I believe that a G5 speedy would now be within policy, and more expedient. You declined the original speedy tag - do you objections to deletion at this point? Girth Summit (blether) 14:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any objections. At the time I declined, there was no investigation of any kind I could point to. There wasn't even a sock puppet identified that was pointed to. ~ GB fan 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and no objection to speedy via G5. Definitely not a notable subject. Season with WP:SALT. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Dmitri Kurakin
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed without explanation. Not to be confused with Dmitry Kurakin, sociology professor at Yale University. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Bgsu98: multiple Estonian champion at senior-level championships, see [73] Estopedist1 (talk) 06:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Patrick Schulz
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Non-notable wrestler with no sources in the article Niafied (talk) 07:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Adjustierung
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It seems like this article should be merged into articles about the German and Austrian militaries of various eras, which generally include discussion of uniforms. Just because there is a German word for "military uniform" doesn't mean that word is a distinct topic. We already have military uniform; the military uniforms of German-speaking countries (as opposed to Germany and Austria and Switerland, separately) don't make a natural subtopic of that. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Also, the words listed could just be added to Glossary of German military terms. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Stephan Welk
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Non-notable person. While the sources provided all seem to be on the up-and-up, the overwhelming majority of them either are to websites that are now up for sale, return 404 errors, or flat-out can't be connected to. The sources that do properly function are all useless for notability - two are hits in catalogues for a book he wrote and the third is a non-sequitur. A search for sources brings up two Der Spiegel pieces about diplomatic document fraud and nothing else accessible or reliable. I will note that there is a BLP/N thread about this article (which is how I found it) but my putting it up for AfD is due to the sourcing woes and not because of the thread. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Was any effort made to recover the dead links from the Internet Archive or other archival services? The two cited sources for this individual's influence on the global cocoa market, for example, are recoverable: [74][75], although I can't vouch for the reliability of the media outlet. That is a singular outlet, however; Bayern-Depesche's masthead notes that it is owned by "POPULAREN Network GmbH", so while these sources are independent of the article subject, they're likely not distinct sources for counting such things. Meanwhile, there's definitely Der Spiegel coverage, but some of it has involves a then-ongoing trial. I couldn't quickly determine if there was a conviction, or even if it had concluded. Lubal (talk) 23:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I just put the Bayern-Depesche archived link into Google Translate and got borderline-word-salad off of it, but it's comprehensible enough for me to grok it. And it's useless for notability (too sparse). The article itself seems a confused mess, hardly touching on Welk and his actions in favour of descriptions of Sao Tome and Principe and a chocolatier associated with him. Google Translate ignores the Popularen source entirely, so I can't assess that (language barrier). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 08:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not finding anything beyond the sources cited here. Of course, I'm doing a general search based on the search options in the AFD, so am unlikely to find information in less common sources. Of the cited sources (the few that are still live) there are some name checks ("Mitarbeiter der Vertretung", Moneyhouse). There are a very few articles about his diplomatic service (Metosa, Popularen) but these are brief and not in depth. Lamona (talk) 04:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Democratic Renewal Initiative – New Democracy Student Movement
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Merge to New Democracy (Greece). On its own it fails WP:NORG, as the student wing of New Democracy it adds value to that article. Disputed draftification 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 11:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Author note:
- I will try to find some time to expand the article over the following days. For the time being, I would just like to mention that there has been a seperate article about it in the Greek wikipedia for years: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%94%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE_%CE%91%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE_%CE%A0%CF%81%CF%89%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1_-_%CE%9D%CE%AD%CE%B1_%CE%94%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE_%CE%A6%CE%BF%CE%B9%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE_%CE%9A%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7 .
- As a new wikipedia member, I am not very familiar with criteria and processes. However, since there is a seperate page for it in the Greek wikipedia (it has not been merged with the New Democracy party greek page), I think that there should also be a seperate equivalent page in the English wikipedia. In my opinion, expanding the article is the way to go, not merging it.
- (So I would vote for KEEP, while expanding it at the same time.)
- ArchidamusIII (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @ArchidamusIII I would have moved it to Draft, but see WP:DRAFTIFY which says I cannot. I do not feel that drafification is appropriate, or would have suggested it. The Greek language Wikipedia has different standards. The English language version has the most stringent. Existence of an article in one is no guarantee that is suitable for the other or another, not is any precedent set between language versions. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment
- Thanks for the information!
- I just added 15 cases-events that attracted media attention (in table form). By media I mean media that are reputable in Greece. In all honesty, I think that Democratic Renewal Initiative – New Democracy Student Movement should definitely meet the notability criteria. A quick google search with δαπ νδφκ as keywords (its Greek abbreviation) yields numerous results.
- I will try to expand the article more over the following days. There is a lot of material available, so it is hard for me to cover everything. My original goal was to establish a short article and then let others slowly add details.
- ArchidamusIII (talk) 00:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge - per nominator.
- Comment @ArchidamusIII I would have moved it to Draft, but see WP:DRAFTIFY which says I cannot. I do not feel that drafification is appropriate, or would have suggested it. The Greek language Wikipedia has different standards. The English language version has the most stringent. Existence of an article in one is no guarantee that is suitable for the other or another, not is any precedent set between language versions. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Independent Student Movements of Greece
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I have notability and original research concerns with this article.
I am unable to identify where the collective subject of the page is discussed sufficiently to meet the GNG. This part makes up the introduction of the page. In this section, the article cites to a primary research paper and a master's thesis and then a bunch of primary sources of student organization websites or interviews with organization members about upcoming elections.
Then the article moves to a list of student organizations by section. I doubt this would pass as a WP:NLIST. It variously fails to cite specific things about each student organization from primary sources. It cites at one point the view count from a YouTube video.
The final section is a timeline specific to the "Youth Communist Liberation" organization, not the subject of the page itself.
I want to be clear here, I'm not making an WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP argument here. I'm saying that the contents of this page don't meet the threshold of encyclopedic, it's just WP:SYNTH style OR and that the purported subject of the page, i.e. the topic of Independent Student Movements of Greece, presently fails collective notability and is dressed up by the OR and does not presently meet WP:N
I was in the process of maintenance tagging the article, but combined with the NPOV concerns and the above, I don't presently believe this article is siutable for mainspace. This page has a history of being draftified. I'm not opposed to a draftify ATD. But an approved article should ensure that the contents of the article represent the subject of the article, and that it meets our WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:OR policies. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 14:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Author’s explanations:
- Addressing misunderstandings regarding sources:
- -Sources 1-2 are indeed research.
- - Source 3 is the only available database (at least as far as I am aware of) that covers all years starting from 2004.
- - Sources 4-6 are not student websites, these are legitimate (and reasonably popular) Greek news sites! (See “notability part” for more details).
- - Sources 8-9 shows that two very popular outlets (See “notability part”) were discussing about the video that the movement posted. Source 7 is the video itself, so that the reader can access it.
- - Source 10 proves that the YouTube account that is mentioned in source 11 is indeed the official account of the New Democracy student wing, and source 11 proves that its most popular video has 52,000 views at the moment. (One has to click on “popular” to see it.)
- - Source 12 shows the election results for that specific department, and it is visible that the movement was labelled as “other right wing”.
- - Source 13 shows that the other independent party got media attention for getting the 1st place in their department elections. It is a valid news website, not a student website.
- - Sources 14 and 15 prove that no elections took place in 2020 and 2021.
- I see a “failed verification” near source 6. That should not be the case; if someone clicks on the screenshots of that website, he/she should be able to see their agenda. It says “10+1 ΘΕΣΕΙΣ ΜΑΣ”; there are a couple of screenshots there that mention everything I have included.
- The timeline is not about the Youth Communist Liberation! It only uses their election database because it is the only available source! The timeline is about the independent movements, like the rest of the article.
- Beginner question: Could/Should I add Facebook photos as primary sources about the movements? That should clear any doubts.
- Regarding notability:
- - There is 1 article from Luben.tv (~1,500,000 monthly users) and 1 article from Neopolis.gr (~760,000 monthly users) about the first movement. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luben.tv and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopolis.gr for membership evidence.]
- - There was 1 article from neolaia.gr and 1 from e-reportaz.gr about the second movement. These are legitimate news sites in Greece. I do not know the exact number of views they have, but other Greek Wikipedia members can confirm that these sites are legitimate.
- - There was 1 article from alfavita.gr regarding the third movement. According to this source, alfavita.gr is one of the most popular news sites in Greece (https://www.e-tetradio.gr/Article/22316/ta-20-koryfaia-enhmerwtika-site-toy-ellhnikoy-internet ) But in any case, it is definitely a legitimate news site.
- - There was 1 article from neolaia.gr about the fourth movement.
- All of these articles were written in different years.
- Apart from this, pages about other university parties already exist in Wikipedia. Like this one, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLOCO
- With the same line of argumentation, shouldn’t the Independent Movements have a page as well? After all, their performance in the elections is consistently better than that of Bloco, their real impact is higher.
- I am not claiming that this article is a super important piece of information, but still, it fills in a gap. It adds to the knowledge base. It could be useful for those who are interested in Greek university elections.
- Regarding neutrality:
- - I only listed these 4 specific parties because these are the only ones that have received media attention so far. (Or at least I am not aware of any others that have received media attention. Feel free to add more to the list.) I am by no means trying to promote these 4 movements in particular.
- - Regarding the potentially most viewed video, I am just stating facts. The official YouTube account of the New Democracy student wing has no video with more than 52,000 views, while one of the independent parties has a video with 63,000 views. This is an objective statement, I think.
- -Regarding the best result up to date (29.9%), I checked the entire database, and I was not able to find any better result. If anyone else is aware of a better result, I will be happy to be corrected.
- - The database I am using is the one of the communist student wing. The only reason I am doing it is because there is no other database available though! As far as I am aware of, this is the only database with detailed results since 2004.
- Regarding original research:
- - The introduction relies on published research.
- - The information about each one of the 4 movements comes from reliable media.
- - The only “original research” I did was summing “other left”, “other right” and “other” to calculate the total percentage in the Timeline section. Everything else is documented.
- These are my 2 drachmas! ( I mean… cents!) I am happy to be corrected, and I am also more than happy to hear suggestions for improvement. In any case, thanks for taking the time to read the article!
- (PS: As the author, my opinion is to KEEP the article.)
- ArchidamusIII (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I gathered some data about the media I mentioned:
- According to this source https://www.moneyreview.gr/society/13952/kathimerines-ekdoseis-kai-neolaia-gr-mazi/, neolaia.gr had 1,000,000 monthly visitors and had published more than 110,000 articles in 2021.
- According to this source, neolaia.gr has 900,000 monthly visitors and 4,500,000 page views in May 2014. https://www.advertising.gr/advertising-2/paramedia/rekor-episkepseon-gia-to-neolaia-gr-55244/
- Regarding alfavita.gr, this source ranked it 5th in 2020: https://edessaikoskosmos.gr/eidisis/poia-einai-ta-megalytera-eidiseografika-site-se-episkepsimotita-stin-ellada/
- I am not claiming that these sources are 100% reliable and that the numbers are 100% accurate, but we are definitely talking about serious media that have an impact in Greece. There are not student websites, these are serious nationwide media. (The same applies to Luben.tv and Neopolis.gr as explained earlier.)
- ArchidamusIII (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hell, etc. (exhibition)
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The article presently only links to fan webpages, with the exception of one brief article in Greek. toweli (talk) 11:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge : to the art section of his main article [76], I can't find coverage outside of the links given, already in the article. Oaktree b (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Oaktree. Johnbod (talk) 21:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Fluxion (electronic musician)
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Contested PROD. No significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 23:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Weak keephas an AllMusic staff written bio here and four staff written album reviews here, here, here and here. There is also coverage in XLR8R here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep moving to full keep after a full search which as well as the above mentioned sources found coverage in Exclaim here, Resident Advisor here, The Quitus here, and a Polish source here. I'm not familiar with the Polish source but the other coverage is in reliable sources so I believe WP:GNG is passed so that deletion is unnecessary imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Panta n' antamonoume
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 11:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. Greek name is Πάντα ν' ανταμώνουμε. I find it very hard searching in Greek. Geschichte (talk) 11:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe Keep? (or redirect to the channel or to Rika Vagiani, where I've just added it). https://program.ert.gr/details.asp?pid=3844901&chid=11 ; NewsBomb articles https://www.newsbomb.gr/tag/panta-na-antamwnoyme including https://www.newsbomb.gr/media-agb/story/429147/erhetai-to-panta-nantamonoyme) or this kind of things: https://typologies.gr/πάντα-ν΄ανταμώνουμε-στη-δτ-με-την-α/ (and yes, it's in Greek),-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Apoapsis Records
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article reads like an advertisement (fails WP:NOTADVERT), with an overreliance on primary sources, for a record label with only two artists signed (fails WP:INHERITORG). if any part of this article can be salvaged at all, it would work better as a part of either Vasileios Angelis or Apostolos Angelis (composer), or simply redirected to either of these two pages. Free Realist 9 (talk) 02:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- This is a splendid merge candidate that did not need to come to AfD. I see no reason why a redlink would be a better solution. Chubbles (talk) 14:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NCORP, delete everything else crated by OrangedJuice for obvious self-promotion or public relations editing. Graywalls (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Keep as mentioned above.
Michalis Koumbios
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The subject is not notable. There are few (if any) reliable secondary sources; the single source used is apparently from 2006 and only available through archive.is. LoganP25 (talk) 00:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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I see that many reliable Greek media have posted about him: 1)https://www.athensvoice.gr/city-guide/music/492901/mihalis-koympios/ 2) https://www.naftemporiki.gr/culture/1405577/stagones-o-synthetis-michalis-koympios-sto-megaro-moysikis-athinon/ 3) https://www.athensvoice.gr/city-guide/music/350565/mihalis-koympios-apanthisma-sto-idryma-mihalis-kakogiannis/ 4) https://toprotoselido.gr/i-fm-records-paroysiazei-ti-nea-tis-kykloforia-quot-magical-rebetiko-quot/ 5) https://www.newsbreak.gr/politismos/434321/michalis-koympios-paroysiazei-stagones-megaro-moysikis-athinon-2/ 6) https://www.naftemporiki.gr/culture/371889/michalis-koubios-ta-provlimata-mas-einai-gigantia-kai-epeigonta/ 7) https://www.in.gr/2016/04/26/life/music/o-mixalis-koympios-se-ena-theama-poikilwn-metamorfwsewn/ 8) https://www.ethnos.gr/music/article/184189/miltospasxalidhstoneosingletoystonoyranometoysmixalhkoympiokaithrodef 9) https://www.tovima.gr/2017/11/24/culture/mixalis-koympios-paroysiazei-to-almpoym-tsikari-m-ston-stayro-toy-notoy/ With that being said, the article needs to be improved though, in order to include that material. (Note: I am a newcomer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.) ArchidamusIII (talk) 15:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hungary
Beatrix Holéczy
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Biathlete who placed lowly in two Olympic Games. No World Cup results of note either; 49th and 68th places tend not to get coverage. I did not find any coverage when searchnig either, apart from passing mentions (and I did search in the Hungarian name order. Therefore fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Paywalled newspaper archive Arcanum brings up ~300 matches for this person's name. @Nenea hartia: Can you verify if any of the coverage is significant? Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: As you already mentioned, there are many references to her, most of them about the competitions she participated in. However, I also found some slightly more detailed articles, one of them in the "Yearbook of the Hungarian Olympic Academy 2016". Please see here. --Nenea hartia (talk) 19:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nenea hartia: Thanks. Do you know if the "Yearbook of the Hungarian Olympic Academy" is independent of Holéczy? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Yes, it is an official annual publication of the Hungarian Olympic Committee. It is a very comprehensive work, with many pages (Holéczy is mentioned on page 214), and in the same link above I added the first pages, which include the editorial board and the publishing house. --Nenea hartia (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it has been published by the Olympic Committee it is primary, if it has been published by an unrelated publishing house it is secondary. More importantly: is it significant or a passing mention? (Same with the 300 hits. Many of them would be mentions) Geschichte (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say it is significant coverage (~175 words focusing on Holeczy) – as for the publisher, looking at the first page and using Google Translate I get:
- If it has been published by the Olympic Committee it is primary, if it has been published by an unrelated publishing house it is secondary. More importantly: is it significant or a passing mention? (Same with the 300 hits. Many of them would be mentions) Geschichte (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Yes, it is an official annual publication of the Hungarian Olympic Committee. It is a very comprehensive work, with many pages (Holéczy is mentioned on page 214), and in the same link above I added the first pages, which include the editorial board and the publishing house. --Nenea hartia (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nenea hartia: Thanks. Do you know if the "Yearbook of the Hungarian Olympic Academy" is independent of Holéczy? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Edited and proofread by Dr. Pál Hencsei and Vilmos Horváth Photos: Hungarian Olympic Committee Hungarian Olympic Academy Hungarian Olympic and Sports Museum Judit Bódayné Blaha, József Erdélyi István Fucskó, JochaPress, Tamás Róth Domonkos Vígh and the authors ISSN 0238-0412 Publisher: Hungarian Olympic Committee Responsible for the publication: Zsolt Borkai, MOB president Printing house: Pátria Nyomda Zrt., responsible manager: Katalin Orgován Printing preparation: János Kerényi
- @Nenea hartia: It looks like it was published by the Olympic committee? Or is this a mistranslation? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
@BeanieFan11:: Unfortunately I don't speak Hungarian and I am not familiar with sports organizations in Hungary, but as far as I can tell, yes, it was published by the Hungarian Olympic Committee. Also, the Hungarian Olympic Academy (Magyar Olimpiai Akadémia) seems to be a structure within the Hungarian Olympic Committee (Magyar Olimpiai Bizottság = MOB). --Nenea hartia (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Iceland
Others
Ireland
Declan McDonnell
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There was a discussion in 2011, but I think views on this generally may have developed. The sources don’t indicate WP:GNG and WP:NPOL/WP:NSUBPOL. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Mayor could be notable, but I don't see much coverage of that position he held; [77] is typical of what I find, reporting on the goings-on of the city council, nothing to help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of mayors of Galway. As an WP:ATD. (As noted, subject's main claim to notability is as mayor of Galway. And is otherwise, albeit sitting quite a bit longer than other councillors, covered to the same degree as other local politicians/reps. However, outright deletion seems a bit drastic. As most notability is tied with the main office he held, I'd just redirect there.) Guliolopez (talk) 21:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of mayors of Galway. As an WP:ATD per above. Djflem (talk) 16:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Michelle Keane
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This candidate has not achieved general notability. The one reference here to a national newspaper (article on Michael Healy-Rae visiting a mosque) doesn’t mention Keane. Otherwise, I don’t see that mentions of Keane in Radio Kerry, satisfy WP:NPOL or WP:SIGCOV. Most local election candidates could muster up some passing mention in local press. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:SIGCOV and WP:NPOL are not met. We do not have sufficient sources to support the text of the article and establish basic facts - not to mention sufficient sources to establish SIGCOV/GNG. Guliolopez (talk) 11:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. She fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Spleodrach (talk) 15:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. People do not get articles just for standing as candidates in county council elections, even winning a county council election would still require her to pass WP:NPOL #2 (where the test hinges on sourcing and substance) rather than handing her an automatic notability freebie, and this article is sourced nowhere near well enough to suggest a reason why she would qualify for special treatment over and above other unelected county council candidates. Bearcat (talk) 16:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Prehistoric Irish battles
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WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Most entries WP:UNSOURCED, or WP:ONESOURCE by Standish Hayes O'Grady from 1892 (WP:AGEMATTERS). Follow-up to
- List of battles in Albania
- List of battles in Algeria
- List of battles in Belgium
- List of battles in Croatia
- List of battles in Afghanistan
- List of battles in medieval India
- List of conflicts in Egypt. NLeeuw (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge/redirect. Personally, I'd suggest merging the notable/supported entries (like the Battle of Magh Tuireadh and Battle of Maigh Mucruimhe) to Irish_battles#Prehistoric_era. Using WP:CSC as the selection criteria. And redirecting this title there. As an WP:ATD. Guliolopez (talk) 13:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems to only move the problem rather than solve it. I am considering nominating List of conflicts in Ireland next anyway, but decided it was best to look at Prehistoric Irish battles first. As such, I'm not opposed to merging/redirecting as an intermediate step. NLeeuw (talk) 19:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is is an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of information, with no context. Not remotely encyclopedic. None of these alleged battles ever happened. They are medieval literary traditions, not prehistoric events, and the dates given to them are completely arbitrary. Worthless. --Nicknack009 (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete like others. Orientls (talk) 07:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- delete: agreed that this is INDISCRIMINATE and just not very useful. i'm surprised it's lasted 19+ years. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 04:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Craig_Considine_(academic)
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I am unconvinced that the subject of this article meets the notability guidelines for academics. The article subject is a teaching professor with limited research output. Their research has not made a significant impact in their scholarly field (they seem to publish introductions for popular presses, published reviews of their other work is critical). They have not recieved a highly prestigious academic award or honor at national/internationl level. They are not an elected member of a highly selective/prestigious society. The subject does not hold a distinguished professor position or appointment at a major institution, nor have they been named chair or equivalent. The subject has not held a highest-level administrative appointment. The person appears not to have made a signifcant impact outside of academia in their academic capacity, where they are quoted in publications it is usually promotional material for one of their porjects. The subject has not been editor/EiC of a major/well-established academic journal. Other contextual clues indicate that this page exists purely as a promotional platform for the subject. There is very little activity on this page other than IP editors vandalizing the page to introduce promotional content, and then other editors removing or clarifying these edits. The creator of this page has since been banned for their promotional activities. I mean to disrespect to the subject of this article, but I struggle to see how they meet the criteria or need for inclusion on Wikipedia. There is nothing wrong with trying to boost your platform and visibility as a junior academic, but I would suggest that this is much better accomplished through a personal website and social media channels. Having a cursory glance at the department the article subject belongs to, there are many far more senior scholars among his colleagues who are not similarly represented on this site. After spending significant time trying to improve this page, I doubt that with the available material it will rise to the level of inclusion. I welcome other editors' feedback and perspectives if I have been too harsh in my judgement. Boredintheevening (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- (correcting typo: line read "I mean no disrespect", not "I mean to disrespect") Boredintheevening (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep but trim. A lecturer position at a US university is unpromising for WP:PROF notability, and his Google Scholar profile has only one publication with significant citations [78], so that leaves WP:AUTHOR as the only plausible remaining possibility. The article (in the version I checked) lists reviews in the Wall Street Journal and an academic journal, Islam and Christian–Muslim Relations, for his book People of the Book (references 11 and 12) and in Anthropology Today for his film Journey into America (reference 23). It lists a few other reviews but I am not as convinced of their reliability. My searches turned up only one more, a review in Diaspora Studies for his book Islam, race and pluralism in the Pakistani Diaspora [79]. I think that's borderline, but on the positive side of borderline. On the other hand, the article was horribly puffed up with uninteresting childhood anecdotes, unsourced claims, and the like, even after User:Boredintheevening had trimmed a lot of it. I trimmed more, but there appears to be plenty of unreliably-sourced material remaining in the "Documentary and Books" that should be cut back even more heavily. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for contributing to this discussion and for editing out some of the puff from the article. I want to defer to your experience, but reading WP:AUTHOR - the subject certainly doesn't meet bullet points 1, 2 and 4. For bullet point 3, I acknowledge there are a handful of reviews (fewer when amateur sources and promotional material is excluded) but it seems like not a huge amount to hang the existence of the article on. I'm trying to resist being overly zealous, but the whole thing strikes me as a subject that's been very committed to self promotion (especially re:COI edits on the article) and hasn't really received much recognition or attention from professional bodies and peers. Boredintheevening (talk) 07:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I'm kinda in the same boat as the nominator. In that, while I'm less familiar with WP:NACADEMIC, it doesn't seem to me that the related criteria are met. While the existence of reviews in the Wall Street Journal and Middle East Monitor are possibly contributory, I'm not sure (on their own) they reach the thresholds expected by criteria 3 of WP:NAUTHOR. Personally I cannot advocate for a keep. And am left on the fence. (I would note that the bulk of the promotion added to previous versions of this article didn't appear to come from the article's creator. But from an apparent COI/SPA account which added the bulk of the largely uncited puff in Aug 2021.)
- Keep. Satisfies criterion 7 of WP:NACADEMIC as "frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area." (See The Independent, New Indian Express, IBTimes, and Gulf News.) I think it could also plausibly justify WP:GNG with the WP:SIGCOV in the Houston Chronicle, Needham Times, and the discussion of his broader work in the WSJ review. Meanwhile, People of the Book would qualify as a notable WP:NBOOK on the basis of its reviews in two reliable source outlets. (Middle East Monitor is not such an outlet.) That said, this article is still overloaded with primary sources, unreliable sources, affiliated sources and needs substantial work to improve it -- but deletion is not cleanup. Dclemens1971 (talk) 10:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. I want to thank @Boredintheevening for your work improving the article in the face of a wave of disruptive COI edits. The article was very problematic before you turned your attention to it, and while it still needs work it's in much better shape. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as the coverage in reliable sources identified in this discussion shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Italy
Alessandro Devodier
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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of the subject, an Italian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were transactional announcements with routine coverage (1, 2, 3, 4) JTtheOG (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Coverage does appear to be limited to routine coverage as nom suggests. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Tony Kart
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Requested at WP:AN, listed as a courtesy. User:62.165.250.83, please add your deletion rationale below. Jip Orlando (talk) 16:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Completely fails WP:GNG, WP:NCOMPANY, may even be considered an ad. - 62.165.250.83 (talk) 14:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. And see also Kosmic Kart, which should probably also be included in this AfD. It seems just possible that the parent OTK Kart Group company might meet WP:NCOMPANY, though I doubt it from a quick Google check, but neither article even attempts to demonstrate that the 'brand' is notable. Advertising, plain and simple. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, couldn't find anything that would establish notability after a quick Google search. WADroughtOfVowelsP 11:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Seems an open and shut case of not satisfying notability. MaskedSinger (talk) 09:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Novembre (band)
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No evidence of any notability. There are everal spin-off articles detailing each disc, but these also have only reviews as their sources. This article has a single source and searches don't find anything better. Fails WP:BAND and all their discography articles fail similarly. Velella Velella Talk 19:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep the band article as has reliable sources coverage in AllMusic here and here, Sputnik Music here and here, and Chronicles of Chaos herehere and here. Haven't done a full search yet, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect the album articles to the band as there isn't enough content and coverage to justify standalone articles, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the band article which now has the sources from all the album articles I've just redirected, except URSA which has keeping potential with more reliable sourcing than the other articles.SirZPthundergod9001 (talk) 00:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment reviews do not help in asserting notability if the whole article fails WP:BAND, which it still does. Velella Velella Talk 08:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- reviews of their music contribute to their notability in criteria 1 of WP:NBAND in the same way that reviews of books contrbute to the notability of an author, and reviews of artist's exhibitions contribute to the notability of an artist and so on regarding other creative people, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Emiliano Bucci
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The subject is apparently some sort of public school teacher/pianist. I could not find any indication of notability. BLP has had no non-circular references since 2006. The result of the previous AfD in 2007 was no consensus. I am unable to apply BLPPROD due to external links. XabqEfdg (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Nothing came up on Google. Found two archived references from his Italian article, which are questionable per "WP:TEACHER" RolandSimon (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete -- most claims to notability here are of the "inherited" kind. Otherwise normal career of a working musician. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 19:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Pretenders to the throne of Parma
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Follow-up to c. 60 "Line of succession to the former X throne" precedents, almost all of which resulted in Delete. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico. NLeeuw (talk) 12:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Given that these lists of post-monarchy-abolition pretenders seem to continue to prop up – either as stand-alone lists or as (redirects to) sections in (otherwise fine) articles – and have so far only been taken down case by case, except through the more coordinated efforts of User:TompaDompa and a few others, perhaps it is time to develop and adopt some guideline about this? Like WP:NCROY, but then specifically for lists of pretenders to royal and noble titles of monarchies that no longer exist, or of clans that no longer make any claims to legitimacy to an extant throne (e.g. Jacobite succession)? This would WP:CENTRALise discussion and make future AfDs and cleanups a lot easier. I would suggest a shortcut like WP:PRETENDER, although I'm not sure which guideline would be the best place for it. NLeeuw (talk) 13:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I'm guessing this is in reference to the 40 "Line of succession to the former throne of X" articles that were deleted back in 2020 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40). TompaDompa (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TompaDompa Yes it is. Thank you for establishing those precedents, and listing them clearly! I've added a lot of other article precedents and category precedents that I could find over here: User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Line of succession to the former X throne. NLeeuw (talk) 08:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I'm guessing this is in reference to the 40 "Line of succession to the former throne of X" articles that were deleted back in 2020 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40). TompaDompa (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Matteo Ciceroni
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Does not appear to meet the criteria for WP:NMUSIC or WP:SIGCOV. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Carl Schleicher
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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCLTALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCLTALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I generally ignore Wikipedia essays and only follow the policies and guidelines, so I do not accept the premises behind WP:WAX. I agree with you that an article existing in just one other language does not make it notable; however, I get a feeling that this article about Carl Schleicher would exist without any issues in *every other language* except in English. Maybe the original creator of the draft had a poor first draft which attracted (now undue) attention? Ethanbas (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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- @48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons 48JCLTALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Here are the comments left by the reviewer:
- Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
- 48JCLTALK 11:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the article is less than great, agreed so far. However, being in significant need of improvement is not a deletion criteria.
- The dead BBC links are a problem, and I couldn’t find an archived one, so this probably does not meet notability criteria now. FortunateSons (talk) 06:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @FortunateSons It could be notable who knows? But all the real sources providing notability like BBC are dead links. The references are formatted very sloppily. Using ref tags to make Efns is definitely not something a normal person would do. 48JCLTALK 03:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Unless we have better sourcing, I don't think the article is ready for mainspace... I mean, he exists, but finding any sort of critical mention of the fellow is difficult. [80] is but a brief mention in a caption, this won't open from my location [81], this talks about his daughter [82]. Sourcing now in the article is basic auction listings and links to images of his paintings, nothing about the individual himself. Having articles in other wiki versions does nothing for notability (and frankly they would likely be deleted as well for lack of sourcing). Oaktree b (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: He does have a Getty ULAN listing, which is helpful. [83], he appears in one German-language volume and what appears to be a database. I'm still not sure these are enough for our notability standards. Oaktree b (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The artist might not be ready for an article here, but the one painting showing the rabbis sitting and discussing at the table might have enough for an article; this from the Wikipedia Library [84], Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
La guerra civile
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This article is very odd. It started life as what appears to be a personal essay/content fork about Italian politics (entirely sourced to La guerra civile) under the title Terrorism in Italy since 1945, then at some point someone misinterpreted the content as about the book itself and content about that book introduced and the essay stuff removed, so for the past 13 years it's been about the book, but under the original title. I tried to find sources under that title, failed for 20 minutes, realized what happened, and moved the page.
Anyway, still can't find any reviews/analysis/sources. It's probable they may exist given the language barrier and very generic title, but I couldn't find any. If sufficient sources are presented I can withdraw. As an ATD if there are no sources redirect to the author Giovanni Pellegrino. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Comment article is currently a redirect. Given the vagueness of the term, and the target page being a WP:BLP, I support deleting this impractical, foreign language redirect.Dan the Animator 00:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- It was not a redirect when I afd'd it: this was done out of process. I'll revert that.
- It was a book he wrote. It is an acceptable redirect on that front, especially if the book is cited. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies! I redirected it, thinking it was a PROD not an Afd (:D) I read your rationale but didn't read the rest of the tag properly, and just BLARed it all. Sorry for that..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, it's all good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh got it, thanks! For the restored article, the only citation is to the book itself, which doesn't help establish the notability of the book. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to a redirect called "La guerra civile (book)". Given that the phrase "la guerra civile" can mean/refer to almost anything on the page Civil War, I'll leave to other editors to rule on the chance that a reader using this redirect would be thinking of the book and not some other meaning. Cheers, Dan the Animator 15:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, it's all good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies! I redirected it, thinking it was a PROD not an Afd (:D) I read your rationale but didn't read the rest of the tag properly, and just BLARed it all. Sorry for that..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Giovanni Pellegrino would be a suitable ATD (but once this discussion is finished indeed).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Italian Syrians
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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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EconomyBookings
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Previously deleted for WP:G11, and not much has changed since then. Every citation is either a press release or doesn't have SigCov. BrigadierG (talk) 23:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons stated. Hyperbolick (talk) 00:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as per all of the above. TH1980 (talk) 02:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NCORP, per above evidences. Dejaqo (talk) 21:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: An article on a car-hire intermediary site. After tagging this to query notability, I had been considering bringing it to AfD after a few weeks. The text and references are promoting the company, its affiliate program, etc. (e.g. the press release at kursors.lv). There are some Reddit comments about service quality but customer comments, good or bad, do not establish notability here. I am not finding better for EconomyBookings or Bookings Group; fails WP:NCORP. AllyD (talk) 09:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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CS Real Succes Stadium
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Moldovan football stadium fails to meet WP:GNG per WP:NSTADIUM. Available sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs, which makes sense, since it's basically just a soccer field. A 150-seat "stadium" is unlikely to have significant coverage in any language's media. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to the team. The stadium isn't unimportant for a little stadium of its kind - it's hosted independent cups like [85], random friendlies like [86], the veteran's cup [87]. But none of that is SIGCOV, so we should move the photo and the co-ordinates over to the Real Succes page, which is notable but needs content. SportingFlyer T·C 06:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Real Succes Chișinău. GiantSnowman 12:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect – Per GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 17:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Doljești and Orbic
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I could not find any sources to prove that these events took place in the dates mentioned, which would fail WP:NEVENT. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Cocobb8: the Romanian Wikipedia page for this article has source(s) by the looks of it. Are those sources sufficient for notability? (I don't know Romanian so not too sure myself). Cheers. Dan the Animator 00:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dantheanimator: perhaps? I'll leave it up to other to check that . Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Jeroen Geerdink
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Non-notable darts player. No coverage beyond darts databases. Per WP:SPORTCRIT. SL93 (talk) 23:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Wouldn't go quite so far as to say no coverage, as there's bits and pieces in Dutch regional and local media from 2014 when he went to Lakeside (Tubantia (newspaper): 1, 2; RTV Oost 1, Omroep Almelo (a municipal radio/tv network from Almelo) 1, and probably if I go digging I might find another piece or two like that), but yeah, nothing that comes even close to passing WP:GNG from what I can see, looks like it's all "routine coverage of local/regional person doing something (mildly) interesting". AddWittyNameHere 00:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your vote. It's great to have one, either keep or delete, from someone who knows the language. I ran an online translator, and I see that the first source is a primary interview, and the others look to be trivial coverage of him in relation to updates on the competitions. SL93 (talk) 00:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
the others look to be trivial coverage of him in relation to updates on the competitions
- more or less, with the note that these sources likely as not wouldn't even have reported on the competition if not for the fact that two folks from the Twente region (Geerdink and the more well-known Christian Kist) took part in it. Still, trivial coverage sounds about right. AddWittyNameHere 00:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your vote. It's great to have one, either keep or delete, from someone who knows the language. I ran an online translator, and I see that the first source is a primary interview, and the others look to be trivial coverage of him in relation to updates on the competitions. SL93 (talk) 00:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Anna Tertel
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Autobiography of a not-yet-notable WP:ARCHITECT and WP:PROF. She's a highly qualified architect and university lecturer, but I can find no coverage of her work in independent, secondary sources, and her work in Google Scholar is lightly cited. Main claim to notability appears to be her notable relative, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited, and the sources cited mention her only in passing at a memorial service. I could find no mentions of her as a politician. Wikishovel (talk) 17:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - Not only do the references fail to show notability, subject is still editing with COI. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delet per nom Marcelus (talk) 07:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No independent, reliable sources also there's a potential conflict of interest. I recommend deletion unless stronger evidence can be provided. Waqar💬 17:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete regardless of COI. Just not enough for Architect or PROF no matter how it's added up. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Marcin Trębacki
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Dominika Polakowska
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – No other sources have been found to change my analysis from the previous discussion. Article still fails WP:NSKATE and WP:GNG. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 12:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Aneta Kowalska
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Some limited coverage here, here, and here, which I think is evidence of further offline coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 22:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Alexandr Levintsov
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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Sack of Wiślica
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As
- a follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135) (nominated by User:TimothyBlue; closed as
no consensus
on 6 April 2024); and - a formalised continuation of the informal discussion at Talk:Sack of Wiślica#Historiography (2–5 June 2024, with an extensive examination of the sources used, and its complete absence in Kievan Rus' / Ruthenian chronicles where one would expect the 1135 raid and the alleged 1136 counter-raid to be mentioned); and
- a parallel to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polish raid on Kievan Rus' (1136) (currently has little participation, but seems to be heading for a weak delete),
I hereby formally propose to either draftify Sack of Wiślica (if any editor is willing to adopt it), or to redirect it to Wiślica#History. (Note: Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135) was renamed to Sack of Wiślica on 3 June 2024 by agreement between NLeeuw and Piotrus on the talk page, so this could be regarded as a 2nd nomination of Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135)).
Rationale: WP:NOPAGE; fails WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG for a stand-alone page, and the sources used so far create WP:POV issues as well. It is one of several dubious articles written by now-blocked User:SebbeKg (previously we agreed to delete
SebbeKg's article Bolesław II the Bold's expedition to Kiev (1076–1077) on 27 May). Editors seem to agree that the event took place, but nothing for certain can be said about in detail, as all the sources cited are either WP:PRIMARY (Kadłubek, and in the case of Długosz someone who wrote centuries later and added details that are not historically credible), or WP:USERGENERATED & WP:POV (in the case of KWORUM), or WP:SELFPUB (in the case of Dawne Kieleckie). Everyone agrees that the only substantial WP:RS is Benyskiewicz (2020), and that this source alone is not enough.
The disagreement is that User:Piotrus would like to keep a stand-alone page based on RS that are yet to be found, and that someone else should find and add these yet-to-be-found RS (citing WP:BEFORE), whereas User:Marcelus and I think that this event could easily be summarised in 1 to 3 sentences in Wiślica#History by reference to Benyskiewicz (2020), at least for now. Alternately, Marcelus and I think the current article could be draftified for now, but Piotrus has declined my offer to adopt it as a draft, citing having too little time to do it himself, and proposing to add Template:Sources exist to motivate other users to do it instead. However, the template does not allow such usage (see also Wikipedia:But there must be sources!). I have argued that the present situation of keeping the article in the mainspace as is, is not acceptable either, because it evidently is not ready for the mainspace (if it ever merits a stand-alone article at all).
So, if nobody is willing to adopt the draft, Marcelus and I are proposing to redirect Sack of Wiślica to Wiślica#History until an editor (Piotrus or someone else) finds enough material, based on WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS, written with an WP:NPOV, for a stand-alone page, and has written that page. I already created such a redirect WP:BOLDly, which was BOLDly reverted by Piotrus, and that is fine per WP:BRD. But if there is consensus in this AfD to create a redirect, this may not be reverted BOLDly again until the conditions above for a stand-alone page are met.
Other than that I would like to say that I have generally enjoyed cooperating with Piotrus on this topic amicably. But a formal decision seems to be necessary to break the deadlock on the future of this article, and Piotrus has suggested that taking it to AfD a second time might settle the matter, so here I am. Good day to everyone. :) NLeeuw (talk) 06:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. As I said on article's talk page, we have one in-depth academic source already, and indications that more sources exist (but are hard to access due to being Polish and not digitized well): "BEFORE search in GBooks in Polish strongly suggests other sources exist. Ex. this book by Gerard Labuda mentions keywords "Wiślicy" "1135" (together) on five distinct pages (but sadly I can only get snippet view for two or three). That book is a bit old (1962), but here for example is a more modern one, from 2006, that mentions those keywords together on 15 (!) pages (seems reliable, published by an academic organization, and the writer is a historian associated with Jan Kochanowski University, no pl wiki article yet). I could look for more sources, but I don't have time & will and I think this shows that we can reasonably assume sources on the sack of Wiślica in 1135 exist and the topic is notable." The article needs to be expanded from those academic seconday sources (it is trye much of what we have is PRIMARY), but WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. The topic seems notable.
- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Polish raid on Kievan Rus' (1136)
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WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:PRIMARY, WP:GNG, WP:NPOV. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bolesław II the Bold's expedition to Kiev (1076–1077). User:SebbeKg created this article on 18 February 2024, 4 days before he was blocked indefinitely for Adding poorly sourced content, false accusations of vandalism.
We still need to clean up the rubbish he added, checking whether there is anything left of value, and throwing away the rest. Bolesław II the Bold's expedition to Kiev (1076–1077) was deleted on 27 May. Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135) was AfD'd previously, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135), resulting in no consensus. But Marcelus did the right thing by removing all informations referenced to primary sources, as obvious OR. I decided to WP:BOLDly turn it into a redirect to Wiślica#History, where I added 1 sentence to summarise the incident based on a source which Piotrus and Marcelus agreed was RS.
As for this article itself, it is clearly written completely from a point of view of later Polish chroniclers who invented lots of details out of their own volition, dramatising and exaggerating stories they had heard or read about. This whole text is basking in emotions of "revenge for Wiślica". Evidently, there was a Volhynian raid on Wiślica in 1135, but I have not been able to find any sort of "Polish" retaliation against "Kievan Rus" in the next year. It is striking that not a single toponym is mentioned in this article, except the vague " Entire communities surrounding the Principality of Volhynia". No standard history work on Kievan Rus' I consulted mentions this event. Not even the Kievan Chronicle, that has quite detailed entries for every year, says anything about 1135, let alone 1136. (There was a raging conflict between the Monomakhovichi of Kiev and the Olgovichi of Chernigov in the north and centre, but no hint of a conflict between Poles and Volhynians on the western edges of the realm). If there really was a frenzied massacre, sparing no Ruthenian soul in Volhynia in 1136, the Kievan Chronicle and modern literature would have talked about it. There is no reason for us Wikipedians to take the fanciful claims of later Polish chronicles at face value, especially from the hands of a now-blocked user with a poor record of using sources on this topic. NLeeuw (talk) 23:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. First, I'll note that I reverted the de-facto blanking of Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135). There was no consensus to delete the article, so I find what happened since (Marcelus removal of 95% of the article, and then your redirecting it) to be against the outcome of the AfD. Feel free to start a new AfD for it if you desire (although note I've also modernized the article by adding the RS we found, which pretty much states the event might be a fabrication by old chroniclers... - but, IMHO, it is a notable topic).
- Now, regarding the article nominated here. I do agree that the creator of this (these) articles was overly reliant on old primary sources. The article nominated here has only one footnote to a presumed modern source, and poorly formatted at that. I would be fine with this being redirected to the "Ruthenian raid...", if we can find a single non-historical mention of this event in modern RS. Otherwise, well, can't justify keeping this due to problematic sourcing to ~1000 year old chronicles whose authors clearly liked to invent history, not just record it :( I.e. in the current state, afer all I wrote, I guess I am not leaning to weak delete this one. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus Thanks for your input. I responded at length at Talk:Ruthenian raid on Poland (1135)#Historiography for discussion on the 1135 event. It is interesting, but complicated.
- For the 1136 article, did you mean to say "I am *now leaning" instead of I am not leaning? NLeeuw (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw Yes, I am leaning. Sorry, was writing while taking care of a baby :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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XIX International Chopin Piano Competition
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WP:TOOSOON article about a thing there's absolutely nothing of any significance to say yet. This is still about a year and a half away, so we obviously don't know who the prize winners or even the competitors are -- literally the only thing we can say about it at this point is basic competiton rules sourced to the competition's own self-published website about itself, which is not a notability-building source.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation next year if and when there's actually reliably sourceable stuff to say about it, but we don't already need a boilerplate placeholder article to exist now. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I have now added numerous sources and expanded the article. The competition will begin on 23 April 2025, which is less than a year. The Chopin Competition is the most important musical event in Poland and one of the most significant events in classical music. Creating an article at this point, also considering that the rules have changed considerably for this edition, which is surely of interest to the reader, seems to be justified. As more verified information becomes available closer to the event date, the article can be further expanded. I believe having a well-sourced preliminary article now is preferable to waiting until the last minute. intforce (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- The time for an article about an event is not "a year out", it's "when there's substantive things to say about it beyond just 'this is a thing that will happen'". Bearcat (talk) 20:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Meh. This is crystallbalish but useful, and there are already some sources about the upcoming program. Yes, technically we might be justfied with dratifying this for a while, but seriously, this is make-work that is pointless. We know this event will be notable. Why waste time moving it out from mainspace and back?
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Merge and redirect to International Chopin Piano Competition. Doesn't need a seperate article, IMO.— Iadmc♫talk 12:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Further comment anything could happen to stop the competition from taking place! WP:NOTCRYSTAL. I do note that the other events have their own articles but they are full of information after the fact. Draftify is another option — Iadmc♫talk 12:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
anything could happen to stop the competition from taking place
is not what WP:NOTCRYSTAL implies. The competition is just as likely to take place as the next Olympics or the next World Cup, all of which are events which fulfil WP:NOTCRYSTAL criteria: the event is notable, almost certain to take place, and preparations are in progress. intforce (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- The competition is certainly notable. Previous competitions have been won by very notable performers. The fact that is going to take place all else being equal and is in preparation is not in doubt. My worry is that this is just a place holder for the event to come which is notable only for being the 100th anniversary. I still vote merge and create the article when the Competition is over — Iadmc♫talk 12:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep – looks like 3/4 reliable independent sources exist discussing it. Sources will only ramp up in the future. Seems useful to have a solid starting ground for a quick-moving event like this. Aza24 (talk) 18:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ossanda Liber
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I know it has only been two months since the last nomination but that ended as no consensus, which was not an endorsement of notability. There has been another nationwide election since then and this candidate is still getting under 0.5%. There are sources about her, yes, but they're mainly discussing her candidacies and are part of a WP:ROUTINE coverage expected in a democracy. Some other parties are mainly based around the founder, such as Vox and Chega, but those parties have hundreds of other office holders and the founders have their own individual notability as office holders and nationally recognisable figures. Apart from being an unsuccessful candidate, what can be said about Liber that isn't about her party? The page used to have information about education and children, which I removed as unsourced per BLP. I also removed the blow-by-blow of setting up a political party, as that's obviously more about the organisation than about her. But the thing is, would we ever need to know personal information about someone this notable? I saw the comment before that Liber is notable as a founder and leader of a political party, but in a democracy it's reasonably easy to set up a party, and extremely easy to be the leader of your own party. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Liber's electoral history: 2021 Lisbon local election (0.36%), 2022 national election (voters in other European countries constituency) (0.08%), 2024 national election (Lisbon constituency) (0.18%), 2024 European election (0.18%). Not sure at which point someone becomes notable the hard way, like Bill Boaks. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging all previous commenters: AusLondonder Moondragon21 PamD SportingFlyer BlakeIsHereStudios Prima.Vera.Paula Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I translated this article into English from Portuguese as part of Women in Red. This page could potentially be merged into Nova Direita as it is considerably larger. 18:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete We do not keep articles on failed political candidates for a variety of different reasons under WP:NOT, and she's not notable for being the leader of a very small political party either. It's not impossible she'll be notable in the future, but at the moment I think this is an easy delete. SportingFlyer T·C 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Nova Direita - there isn't enough coverage to justify a separate article, a slightly-longer description of her in the party's article is sufficient. Not impossible this would change in the future. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Shane Spring
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Coverage appears to be limited, although there could be a couple of bits in Romanian or Spanish sources that are less easily accessible. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Doljești and Orbic
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I could not find any sources to prove that these events took place in the dates mentioned, which would fail WP:NEVENT. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Cocobb8: the Romanian Wikipedia page for this article has source(s) by the looks of it. Are those sources sufficient for notability? (I don't know Romanian so not too sure myself). Cheers. Dan the Animator 00:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dantheanimator: perhaps? I'll leave it up to other to check that . Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Imperium (film series)
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The article is unsourced. I don't see why this topic deserves an article as there are no sources on the Imperium series, only sources on the individual movies. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 05:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- The answer to the nom's implicit question is that Wikipedia:Notability, right at the top, says that we can merge up articles into a bigger subject. See also Wikipedia talk:Notability (books)#Should NBOOK cover series or just individual books?, which has almost 150 comments on a closely related subject. See statements like "Where a source contains coverage of one of the books in a series of books, this coverage is deemed to be coverage of the series of books, in addition to being coverage of that book" and "Articles on book series may be created in some cases where there are no series-level sources, drawing on the sourcing of the individual books." WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Senya Son
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Russian pianist and composer. Compliance with WP:MUSIC has not been demonstrated. Some of it looks like a hoax. The article was deleted in Russian Wikipedia [88].--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 13:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Yevgeny Slyusarenko
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An ordinary Russian journalist. There is no noticeable importance. There is no correspondence with WP:JOURNALIST. In the previous discussion, only the author of the article spoke in favor of leaving it.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I guess the nominator must be warned that it is not a good idea to repeat the AfD nomination without bringing up any new arguments, apparently hoping I will not notice the nomination. Ymblanter (talk) 16:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- For the record: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yevgeny Slyusarenko, closed two weeks ago as keep. Ymblanter (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Oleg Dmitriyev (poet)
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Compliance with WP:WRITER has not been demonstrated.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 12:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Rockoons
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Fails WP:GNG; all coverage both in article and in BEFORE search provides only WP:TRIVIALMENTION. WP:TVSERIES does not apply in the absence of reliable sourcing about its production. As an alternative to deletion, I propose to redirect to Soyuzmultfilm. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: I don't see how this fails notability. There are sources in the article. I must also add that the addition of the deletion tag seems premature as it was added only 9 minutes after the addition of those calling for the improvement of the article. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 01:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added them as part of new page review, which was when I did source analysis and decided they did not meet WP:GNG. Did you look at the (two) sources? They each have a single passing mention of the show, nothing close to WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're saying that the sources should only write about the show? At least they say something like the show is one of the selected ones in the country aimed for more international exposure. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 06:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I beg of you to read the WP:SIGCOV page. It's very clear about the kind of coverage required. Brief passing mentions don't count. The sources you cited are fine to include in the article to validate facts, but they don't do anything to establish the notability of the subject. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're saying that the sources should only write about the show? At least they say something like the show is one of the selected ones in the country aimed for more international exposure. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 06:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or merge to Soyuzmultfilm. Article certainly does fail SIGCOV. It's all unsourced fancruft with both citations barely mentioning the subject in passing, as stated by the nom. The show has been around three years yet a Gsearch mainly turns up this while content for the show consists of YouTube clips. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 07:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Soyuzmultfilm#TV_series (not opposed to keep; added 2 sources for verification; opposed to deletion)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding sources. I agree with your rationale to redirect since the sources are direct links to a video platform and press releases from Soyuzmultfilm and thus don't contribute to notability as a standalone topic. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because this source[1] tells entirely about the show, doesn't this count as significant coverage? Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's significant, but it's not independent. At the top it says "Пресс-релизы," or press release See WP:PRSOURCE. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is this one[2] a press release? I don't see "Пресс-релизы" in it. Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC) Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's significant, but it's not independent. At the top it says "Пресс-релизы," or press release See WP:PRSOURCE. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because this source[1] tells entirely about the show, doesn't this count as significant coverage? Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC) Red White Blue and Yellow (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding sources. I agree with your rationale to redirect since the sources are direct links to a video platform and press releases from Soyuzmultfilm and thus don't contribute to notability as a standalone topic. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Toko'yoto
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion is a merge/redirect to Chukchi people. toweli (talk) 16:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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SolarX
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No indication that this person is notable. Count Count (talk) 08:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Completely unsourced stub, and no indication of notability. Seems to me that it would even qualify for speedy deletion under criterion A7, but I'm not entirely sure, since the article has some history (and was created in 2005). CycloneYoris talk! 09:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - The musical act called SolarX has no coverage beyond basic streaming and self-promotional sites, while Dr. Belavkin is an academic who is listed briefly in corresponding professional directories. Neither way does he meet WP requirements for notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Embassy of Belgium, Moscow
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Fails WP:ORG. Russian version of this article also only has 1 source. LibStar (talk) 05:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Belgium–Russia relations, where the embassy is mentioned, as an ATD. gidonb (talk) 03:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Julia Kova
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The significance of the person is not visible in WP: MUSIC. Among the links are her official website and social networks.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Francois Esterhuyzen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this routine news piece and a few interviews in Russian-language media (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep I think there's enough in the Russian coverage to suggest a weak keep for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The discussion of whether to merge can be considered outside of this discussion for deletion, but it does not appear that there are strong arguments being made to delete the article. Malinaccier (talk) 01:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Luhansk People's Republic–Russia relations
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Does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Aldij (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - has articles in two non-English portals of Wikipedia, has plenty of room for expansion and a fair amount of relevant sources. Sufficiently notable.
- Brat Forelli🦊 01:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge. Any content in this article would be better handled in International recognition of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic. Yilloslime (talk) 19:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Sourcing appears adequate to fulfill GNG for this timely piece on the economic relations between occupied rebel Eastern Donetsk and Russia. Carrite (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Meridian Gaming
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Previously deleted and salted as Meridian Gaming Ltd/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meridian Gaming Ltd * Pppery * it has begun... 23:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm not entering an opinion yet since I've not fully reviewed the sources, the sheer volume prevents me from doing so in a timely manner (I'll do it later, promise!... If I get the time anyway), but Backij, I see you've left comments on the old AfD and the article talk page (Talk:Meridian Gaming), asking about the reason it has been nominated (this is the best place for that, so please leave your future comments here!).
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- My best advice would be to pick your best three sources that you think meets all four of those criteria, copy them here and explain how they tick each of the boxes. If you can find three that clearly meet the criteria, usually an article will be kept. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm done with my search. There is a truly horrific amount of sponsored articles (ads) and press releases of them tooting their own horn (WP:SPIP), but no amount of tooting ought to be able to buy a well-intentioned page on Wikipedia that does more of the same tooting. Please up the level of salt and delete again, the current level having proven insufficent. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- MediaWiki:Titleblacklist would be the logical next level. But I'm not convinced that's warranted after only three recreations years apart. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm done with my search. There is a truly horrific amount of sponsored articles (ads) and press releases of them tooting their own horn (WP:SPIP), but no amount of tooting ought to be able to buy a well-intentioned page on Wikipedia that does more of the same tooting. Please up the level of salt and delete again, the current level having proven insufficent. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Alpha3031's comments and per it having been salted already. Procyon117 (talk) 08:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- Delete per above. I agree with Backij, a lot of other pages on Wikipedia on non-notable companies (and non-companies) exist, this is one of them. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
I still contest deletation considering how many pages wikipedia contains about irrelevant companies with poor, dead or wrong references considering non commerical style of this page, considering it summerize true facts. --Backij (talk) 08:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Feel free to nominate those for deletion too. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Slovakia
E@I
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Notability. I'm just not finding secondary coverage of this. Nor anything primary that's really convincing me of its significance. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Nothing found for this educational conference, only things hitting on Euler's complex numbers. Sourcing used appears primary. Oaktree b (talk) 23:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Jana Jamnicky
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. It should also be noted Australia only got to play handball in 2000 Olympics as host nation. They lost every game. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 01:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Viktor Vondryska
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Slovak footballer with 21 minutes in the highest Slovak league. There is no longer a free pass for every player who has featured in less than one match. My search for sources found nothing except for passing mentions and primary sources. Geschichte (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Weak delete—Has something of a track record with professional teams while still a young player. Too old for WP:TOOSOON, I admit, but I've seen some precedent lately, especially for English players, to suggest that this level of professional experience, even at the second-tier level is sufficient to vote keep.Anwegmann (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep per sources provided below by JTtheOG. I was on the fence to begin with, but these two sources, one in German and the other in Slovakian, provide more than passing references to this player and seem to be from reliable, independent outlets. Although ultimately a transfer announcement, the first source provides somewhat meaningful coverage of Vondryska's style of play and past experience. The second source is much more substantive and singularly focuses on the player, his experience playing with the Slovakian youth national team, and provides much more than a simple interview. I recognize that this isn't a very strong record, particularly concerning the first source, but it is significant coverage of the player as a player, which is enough to fulfill the minimum requirements of WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @GiantSnowman: I think this piece constitutes WP:SIGCOV, even if most is paywalled. There is also a bit here from a quick search. JTtheOG (talk) 21:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the references provided by JTtheOG, which establish notability. Frank Anchor 14:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Marián Skupek
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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2022 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find enough in-depth coverage for this athlete to meet WP:GNG. I only found SME while the rest are brief mentions and profile database sources, both types of which are not independent. He was not even in the top three (?) luge winners of mentioned tournament. This might be WP:TOOSOON situation. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 10:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Also incoming links from multiple EUropean Championships and multiple World Championships. Geschichte (talk) 14:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. My last comment was made quite quickly, and now I had the chance to elaborate more. He participated in the following European Championships: 2021, 2022, 2023 and the following World Championships: 2021, 2023, 2024. In addition, he won a gold medal at the 2022 FIL Junior European Luge Championships which gained some attention for being Slovakia's first gold medal in that championship. None of these achievements would hold enough weight on their own, but together I think they just might do. Then there are the sources. [89] [90] [91] [92] (less) [93] (more passing) [94]. These were some of them, partly from a news agency (and I don't understand Slovak by any means), but at least they give some biographical overview. Geschichte (talk) 21:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Source #1 can't be accessed at the moment; Source #2 and #3 are duplicated from the SME one I mentioned; Source #6 looks like a blogspot. I also was wondering if you actually use a translator or try to avoid it. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 09:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Others
Slovenia
Slovenian writer
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It is obvious writers from one specific country may write in any language other than their national one. This article has no purpose of existing nor potential for expansion. Super Ψ Dro 21:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete We have categories for such things, no need for a microstubby list with three entries and actually no entry primarily connected with the topic itself. A09|(talk) 07:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, pointless WP:DICDEF. Geschichte (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Spain
Shane Spring
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Coverage appears to be limited, although there could be a couple of bits in Romanian or Spanish sources that are less easily accessible. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Sweden
Förbundet Arbetarfront
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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NORG. WP:BEFORE shows no results in modern Swedish media archives or on Google Scholar/Books. 7 newspaper entries on https://tidningar.kb.se/ which I can't access in full but the text that is visible suggests mostly trivial mentions of arranging meetings and similar. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Rave the Reqviem
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Nothing of notability in the bands history, additionally many of the references are primary Facebook posts about their band members history etc and I'm unable to find any significant coverage of the band online, outside of some album reviews from smaller blogs. InDimensional (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, meets GNG, I found three sources with significant coverage of the band in Swedish media with a quick web search. [95] [96] [97] AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've added these and other sources into the article now. AlexandraAVX (talk) 11:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - per WP:GNG. Added sources since nom are good as well.BabbaQ (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The article meets WP:GNG. Additionally, sources added since the nomination provide substantial coverage, confirming the band's notability. Waqar💬 17:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Alex dxneo (talk) 19:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: As initial author I'm going to abstain from voting due to bias, but I'd just like to thank the people who found the Swedish sources to put this article in-line with GNG. It's better than what I was able to find. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Rosa Nachmanson
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Not seeing anything that really satisfies WP:BIO. She lived, died, and left a lot of money to charity. Only one source, presumably in Swedish. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - she was a big donor to the construction of the iconic Stockholm Concert Hall. Added additional sources. That sources are in Swedish are not relevant to notability. Passes WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 10:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There probably are sources in books in Sweden, but I can't find any. She's listed in the Norsk FamilyBook from the 1920s to the 1940s (linked from Project Runeberg below), but I can't find anything more than the snippet given here. She's associated with the Jewish history of Stockholm and her husband Ernest comes up all the time. Likely not enough to build a biography here. Oaktree b (talk) 11:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Rosa Nachmanson has entries in at least a couple of encyclopedias, just looking at material which has been digitized. There's the entry in Nordisk Familjebok, which is used as a source in the article already, but also in Svenska män och kvinnor : Biografisk uppslagsbok, which I think is enough to build a biography on. Additionally, there's some biographical detail in articles written about her death, for example in Svenska Dagbladet or Hvar 8 dag. /Julle (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Riksarkivet entry for the family contains the following in the section 'Sources and literature':
Emanuel o Rosa N: TU 7:81, KB; Bouppt 1897-691noo 1917-70-rII,SSA; Mosaiska förs:s i Sthlm donationsfonder ... (1924); J Sachs, Mitt livs sal-do, 1 (1949),s92o217;SMoK; Sthlms konserthus, Minnesskr vid invign den 7 april (1926), s 23; H Valentin, aa 1919, s 89.
Now, I can't decode this, but presumably it refers to some sources that could be used. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC) - Keep As shown by Julle above Nachmanson has been considered important enough to have entries in at least two major Swedish encyclopedias. /FredrikT (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Supersci
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Nominated by an IP user: Non-notable group, going by available sources. Both with its current ("Supersci") and its former ("Superscientifiku") name, the group is mentioned on some Swedish websites, but with very few exceptions (e.g. Sundsvalls Tidning) either these sources are non-reliable, or the subject is mentioned only in passing. GrabUp - Talk 18:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment In 2007, their "Pinetrees On The Pavement" (the song or the album?) was nominated (did not win) at sv:Manifestgalan (cannot link or the link disappears, for some reason). Source at Göteborgs-Posten here, and at Manifestgalan here. I doubt it's enough for actual notability, but it's something. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- In 2011, their "Timelines" was nominated (again, did not win) at the sv:P3 Guld. Example sources, at Sveriges Television here, and at Sveriges Radio P3 here. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 05:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I've added three different sources that provide significant coverage. The article meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Can’t check offline sources, but linked sources are not WP:SIGCOV.
- 1st source: Are only sayings of connected ones of the subject, no in-depth coverage of the subject.
- 4rth source: Nomination list of the award P3, I don’t know how much this award is notable. GrabUp - Talk 04:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- 1st source: I see what you mean, though the offline sources are more independent of the subject.
4th source: The nomination doesn't confer notability, but I thought it was worth mentioning since it was brought up in the AfD. AlexandraAVX (talk) 08:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC) - I found the third source (or at least an article about the same thing by the same author) online, so added it to the article if you want to take a look. AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- 1st source: I see what you mean, though the offline sources are more independent of the subject.
- Can’t check offline sources, but linked sources are not WP:SIGCOV.
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- Weak Keep - Sources and added sources since nom shows notability at least per WP:NMUSIC at this time. I say Weak Keep. BabbaQ (talk) 09:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Switzerland
Liberales Institut
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. It hasn't had sources since at least 2012 if ever. JFHJr (㊟) 03:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Let's start by ignoring the WP:ITSUNREFERENCED claim by the nom, since that's one of the Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. This is a difficult subject to research because this report indicates that there are two organizations with the same name and similar views, which makes finding sources more challenging than usual. Also, it's Swiss, so you really need to search under four different names (German, French, Italian, and English). This is time-consuming, so it's not surprising that people might do a cursory search, find nothing, and give up. I think it might make more sense to treat this subject like a scholarly publisher than like a business or a social club. I would particularly consider WP:NMEDIA's "frequently cited by other reliable sources" as a possibility. As for sources, this Swiss-German article looks potentially useful, and I notice that the article at the French Wikipedia cites five sources (none of which are the org's website). WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Institut Constant de Rebecque
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. It hasn't had sources since at least 2017 if ever. JFHJr (㊟) 03:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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George Walker (educator)
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMIC/WP:NSCIENTIST. Third-party (independent, non-primary) sources lending significant in-depth coverage appear not to exist, and are unlikely to crop up in the future. JFHJr (㊟) 17:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Head of an educational nonprofit is the sort of thing that needs WP:GNG-notability not WP:PROF-notability and we have no evidence of that. I searched for enough book reviews for WP:AUTHOR-notability as our article also lists him as a book author, but didn't find them. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Peter Riva
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. Marked for COI and primary sourcing issues over 10 years ago, this article's sourcing still consists of 1) coverage about other topics that merely mention the subject, and 2) primary sources. JFHJr (㊟) 01:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Mark Trueblood
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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCIENTIST. His singular discovery is not a notable event, just noteworthy (in the list where it appears). There's just not enough in unrelated third-party reliable sources about him to make an encyclopedic biography. JFHJr (㊟) 04:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Turkey
The InnerView
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Not yet notable per WP:GNG, or WP:NTV (which is an essay, not a policy). I've hunted around for a few days now for some independent, secondary sources about this show, assuming that a show on the state public broadcasting network TRT World with such wide geographical coverage would have some decent reviews etc in reliable sources, but all I can find is more or less what's here: passing mentions of the show, in articles about the subjects of the interview. 73 of the 84 sources cited so far are from the show's own YouTube channel. Its chief claim to notability is the many notable people who have been interviewed on the show, but on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. Article creator is a single-purpose account, and no response yet at their user talk page about potential conflict of interest. Wikishovel (talk) 09:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Imran Garda -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge into Imran Garda. article is not notable (per WP:GNG), has no WP:SIGCOV, and cites some rather strange/primary sources. Noelle!!! (summon a demon or read smth) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- the article would be better off as a section in Imran Garda. Noelle!!! (summon a demon or read smth) 16:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Interesting Engineering
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Written extremely like an advertisement and has many other problems. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 17:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete good web presence, but the only mentions of it I can find are on places like Reddit. The article trying to WP:INHERIT notability from other news outlets that have cited it is telling. BrigadierG (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Anatolia Genetics
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Very poorly written, and too much overlap in the article with Genetic studies on Turkish people (which parts of were apparently copy-pasted here) to warrant a separate article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nom. I should also add that about half of the cited sources in the article are self-published, and it also includes improper editorial synthesis. Demetrios1993 (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
SadaPay
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Every reference is PR and churnalism. Every reference is a PR announcement. Fails WP:NCORP and the key tenet of WP:V. This is WP:ADMASQ. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 05:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:NCORP. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep: I've nominated for deletion the BLP of the founder of Sadapay, but I believe this article about the company should be kept. Considering the sign./in-depth press coverage the company has garnered - such as Pakistan Today, Pakistan Today, Bloomberg. Express Tribune - the company may meet WP:GNG. Fwiw, it is Pakistan's most-funded fintech. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)- Every single reference is regurgitated PR. With this referencing it fails. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Timtrent, Well the coverage provided by Pakistan Today consists of investigative stories rather than press releases. And, Bloomberg typically doesn't cover Pakistani companies unless they are making some impacts. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The first Pakistan Today ref is a lightly-rephrased press release. Compare this and this. The second, of course, is an entirely-routine funding announcement failing WP:ORGTRIV. —Cryptic 14:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cryptic, Alright, you've sold me. Count me in! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Saqib Did you mean only to strike your !vote and not enter a different opinion? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cryptic, Alright, you've sold me. Count me in! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The first Pakistan Today ref is a lightly-rephrased press release. Compare this and this. The second, of course, is an entirely-routine funding announcement failing WP:ORGTRIV. —Cryptic 14:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Timtrent, Well the coverage provided by Pakistan Today consists of investigative stories rather than press releases. And, Bloomberg typically doesn't cover Pakistani companies unless they are making some impacts. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Every single reference is regurgitated PR. With this referencing it fails. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - the subject meets the WP:ORGCRIT. Mfarazbaig (talk) 13:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mfarazbaig The references must show this. They do not. Your argument is WP:ILIKEIT which carries no weight in this discussion 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Two years ago we deleted this because it was almost entirely unsourced and the only sources anybody could find were press releases and routine announcements. Now we have a new article with mostly those same sources in them - not even new marketing material and reports of funding, but the same ones that were available and rejected before. The few that postdate the deletion are no better: Ref 7 is an announcement of an acquisition consisting almost entirely of quotes with the remaining two sentences verbatim from a press release; ref 8 is better-written, but still an announcement of the same acquisition and still routine; and ref 9 is an unreliable piece by a "Forbes contributor". The lack of improvement is so stark that I seriously considered G4ing it again. Delete. —Cryptic 14:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep just a quick browse I found references articles that are not press release.--Cube b3 (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, then, tell us what they are and we can consider them. I'm willing to be convinced. I'm even, within reason, willing to help you convince me! But with neither evidence nor analysis, bare assertions like yours and Mfarazbaig's (the article creator) above are worth nada. —Cryptic 20:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Cube b3 I'm in total agreement with @Cryptic on this. Convince us. Otherwise this is a worthless !vote, which I am sure is not what you intended. I did a search, quite a detailed one, and found none. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 11:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, then, tell us what they are and we can consider them. I'm willing to be convinced. I'm even, within reason, willing to help you convince me! But with neither evidence nor analysis, bare assertions like yours and Mfarazbaig's (the article creator) above are worth nada. —Cryptic 20:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Any editor may, during this discussion,especially when they declare that they have foiund good new references, improve the article and ask for it to be reconsidered under Wikipedia:The Heymann Standard once improved. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:GNG. Coverage in Profit by Pakistan Today magazine is direct, in-depth, and balanced ([98], [99]). Then, there is additional coverage in DAWN ([100], [101]) and Bloomberg described it as the country's most-funded fintech in a routine funding round (such type of startups are almost always notable in the UK or US). WP:COMMONSENSE applies. 2A04:4A43:908F:F69C:81E4:3987:8686:1121 (talk) 13:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC) — 2A04:4A43:908F:F69C:81E4:3987:8686:1121 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 05:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It would be helpful to see a review of sources brought to the discussion by the IP editor. Other Keep votes making assertions without providing citations are not worth much at all
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)- Coverage provided by IP fails WP:SIRS. Saqib (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, it is exactly what WP:SIRS requires, quoted below:
1. Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth.
2. Be completely independent of the article subject.
3. Meet the standard for being a reliable source.
4. Be a secondary source; primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability.- This article in Profit was written by its staff and is a more-than-3000-word investigative journalism. This article is also by a staff member, is directly about SadaPay, and is more than 4k words long. I hope you're in good health (with all this hard work) because you're making a lot of wrong assessments and sloppy AfDs lately. Please consider slowlying down and not every comment need your reply (as multiple time requested on your talkpage recently). 2A04:4A43:8FBF:F067:1EFE:2BFF:FEF2:C076 (talk) 01:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Coverage provided by IP fails WP:SIRS. Saqib (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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