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Quintin Esterhuizen
- Quintin Esterhuizen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ricardo Strauss (cricketer)
- Ricardo Strauss (cricketer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Sourcing for non-international international cricketers is commonly difficult to find. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD, and I'd have no issue to these non-internationals being BOLDly redirected going forward. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Danie van Schoor
- Danie van Schoor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Sourcing for non-international international cricketers is commonly difficult to find. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD, and I'd have no issue to these non-internationals being BOLDly redirected going forward. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers: per JTtheOG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 15:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Hermias Strauss
- Hermias Strauss (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 17:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Coverage for non-international Namibian cricketers is always difficult, redirect is suitable WP:ATD and preserves the history if anything found. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Bredell Wessels
- Bredell Wessels (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 17:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Coverage for non-international Namibian cricketers is always difficult, redirect is suitable WP:ATD and preserves the history if anything found. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Obe (Soups)
- Obe (Soups) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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All sources cited are blogs, and thus not WP:RS. Few appear to even approximately support the content they are supposedly being cited for. And as far as I have been able to determine, 'obe' is simply a generic Yoruba word for 'soup' and/or 'sauce'. If properly sourced, an article on Yoruba cuisine might well be a legitimate topic, but such an article would have to describe, using appropriate sources, what made it distinctive. Having a word for something doesn't in of itself make a topic notable. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: There's no strong ground on notability on this one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Equatorial Guinea–Tunisia football rivalry
- Equatorial Guinea–Tunisia football rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Simply not a real rivalry. For some reason, the topic of "rivalries" is cherished by many, therefore some users create articles on rivalries on flimsy grounds. The policies that is failed here would be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Geschichte (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete lol. What nonsense. Mccapra (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- You can give your opinion, but be respectful. Mohamed Amine Trabelsi Talk 11:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Did the Tunisian soccer team social admin write this? Even for the general standard of rivalry article notability not being met, if I was a fan of EQ I'd be on the talk page yelling about the biased tone of this article with that lede alone. Nate • (chatter) 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The two national teams are so far apart both geographically and in terms of magnitude of success. The tone of the article is just really petty. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 20:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete two teams that have only ever played 10 times is not an actual, notable rivalry. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)*Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 20:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: In addition to OR and SYNTH cited by the nom, this is a failure of WP:NRIVALRY because of a lack of significant, reliable coverage covering this series as a rivalry. Routine match reports and statistics don't cut it. Let'srun (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:NRIVALRY. Only ordinary clashes between two teams belonging to the same confederation. Svartner (talk) 03:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete—Very obviously not an actual rivalry. I'm amazed the article's creator got so many words into the article, honestly. Anwegmann (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Chapter Four Uganda
- Chapter Four Uganda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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An article that doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. The sources were solely based or more about the founders arrest. Hence if this is going to be beneficial, I would consider redirecting to Nicholas Opiyo. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Doreen Kyazze
- Doreen Kyazze (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I reviewed tis article thrice to determine whether it is considered worthy of a Wikipedia entry. Firstly, I saw there were good sources as though a reviewer will do. I now checked the sources and almost a good percentage weren't reliable per WP:RS. Religion of sources and lack of WP:SIRS definitely defined this type of article.
In second checking for confirmation, I discovered so many sources lined her perhaps a single line other quote while addressing her as a worker at Penal. I would have said this should be redirected to the organisation page but didn't see any advocacy worthy enough for WP:ATD. Another subtle was drive by the award nomination. This cannot be called WP:ANYBIO since it was once nominated and wasn't won (it's is also a lesser award, thus not major like ANYBIO. I've therefore brought this to the table proper discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The award from the EU seems notable [1] and [2]. I'm ok with the sources given. At least enough for BASIC Oaktree b (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b, EU human rights award is nothing but a less major award. Though must have come from a notable form EU, but the article bearer was a nominee and was only once. How does that satisfy WP:BASIC? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I find coverage [3], [4], [5] and [6]. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Oaktree b, the sources you listed all were independent of the Ugandan academic Spire or nearer to that. However, one nominated award is never enough for a career that isn't established. For example, a writer that has written extensively and appeared in reaserch paper may be considered even with the writing and more when nominated for an award like this. In this context, however, the article doesn't meet GNG of her career or any significant impact or SIGCOV of her advocacy ad work. Arguing about an award that is not even won is likely biased for me. It's simply a reminder! Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 23:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Anthony Masake
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An article that doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. While the notability of Chapter Four Uganda is questioned, I simply may conclude redirecting there per this source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Godfrey Nyakana
- Godfrey Nyakana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Am article about a boxer that doesn't meet WP:SIRS on source assessment. The article in general doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep aside from the fact that WP:SIRS is for organizations and the nom misidentifies him as a weightlifter when he's actually a boxer (seriously?), there's substantial existing precedent that a podium finish at an elite international event generally makes an athlete notable - for example see WP:NTRACK, WP:NGYMNASTICS, WP:NTRIATHLON. The commonwealth games isn't the Olympics, but there's also WP:NOLYMPICS where any podium finish makes the cut. The commonwealth games is one of the most prestigious sporting competitions in the world, I think a gold medal makes the cut.
- He was also the subject of a documentary - https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/8/13/9147775/titleshot-20-year-old-boxing-film-seeks-completion BrigadierG (talk) 18:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It was an error that can be avoided. I have corrected it. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. BrigadierG (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It was an error that can be avoided. I have corrected it. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Keep. I think I gave enough reliable sources if you had properly checked those sources before tagging it for deletion. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 19:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Africa Proposed deletions
- Evans Brima Gbemeh (via WP:PROD on 11 September 2023)
Algeria
Ahmed Zitouni
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The article does not meet the notability requirement NBV2010 (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I could not find sufficient coverage to justify notability per WP:NAUTHOR. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep additional sources at 1 and 2 as well as numerous Google book references such as 3 (pp.21-22). Mccapra (talk) 21:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: This smells of retaliation since the nom had the article about them deleted via AFD. UtherSRG (talk) 00:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Algeria Proposed deletions
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Angola
Ossanda Liber
- Ossanda Liber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I know it has only been two months since the last nomination but that ended as no consensus, which was not an endorsement of notability. There has been another nationwide election since then and this candidate is still getting under 0.5%. There are sources about her, yes, but they're mainly discussing her candidacies and are part of a WP:ROUTINE coverage expected in a democracy. Some other parties are mainly based around the founder, such as Vox and Chega, but those parties have hundreds of other office holders and the founders have their own individual notability as office holders and nationally recognisable figures. Apart from being an unsuccessful candidate, what can be said about Liber that isn't about her party? The page used to have information about education and children, which I removed as unsourced per BLP. I also removed the blow-by-blow of setting up a political party, as that's obviously more about the organisation than about her. But the thing is, would we ever need to know personal information about someone this notable? I saw the comment before that Liber is notable as a founder and leader of a political party, but in a democracy it's reasonably easy to set up a party, and extremely easy to be the leader of your own party. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Liber's electoral history: 2021 Lisbon local election (0.36%), 2022 national election (voters in other European countries constituency) (0.08%), 2024 national election (Lisbon constituency) (0.18%), 2024 European election (0.18%). Not sure at which point someone becomes notable the hard way, like Bill Boaks. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging all previous commenters: AusLondonder Moondragon21 PamD SportingFlyer BlakeIsHereStudios Prima.Vera.Paula Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I translated this article into English from Portuguese as part of Women in Red. This page could potentially be merged into Nova Direita as it is considerably larger. 18:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete We do not keep articles on failed political candidates for a variety of different reasons under WP:NOT, and she's not notable for being the leader of a very small political party either. It's not impossible she'll be notable in the future, but at the moment I think this is an easy delete. SportingFlyer T·C 19:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Nova Direita - there isn't enough coverage to justify a separate article, a slightly-longer description of her in the party's article is sufficient. Not impossible this would change in the future. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to Nova Direita: That way the page info would be stored in the redirect's history and a portion of the content could be placed in a section in the Nova Direita article. Prima.Vera.Paula (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Cameroon
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Egypt
Opay
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Fails WP:NCORP. While on first glance there is significant coverage, all of it is press release, churnalism, routine announcements, or otherwise sources that fails WP:ORGCRIT. Even Forbes was generated by the company itself and the rest look like a well-run press campaign. Absent in-depth independent coverage, I do not see how this meets notability guidelines. CNMall41 (talk) 17:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment first of all, if you were a member of the Wiki project Nigeria. You will know that Opay is a notable bank. Talking about the sources, Opay is not a company that goes to the news to create well run press campaign. The news generates content base on the company notability as a global bank. To all the WP you cited, they all said a company is presumed to be notable which they gave their reasons and I don’t see how does the company fails to meet them. The article subject even also, passed WP:GNG.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 17:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks, Gabriel601. Unfortunately, notability is not based on knowledge of WikiProject Nigeria, nor is it based on it being a global bank. NCORP (And GNG) require significant coverage in reliable sources, independent of the subject. Are you able to point out the references that meet WP:ORGCRIT? I will take another look and if they meet the criteria withdraw the nomination. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know too well notability is not based on WikiProject Nigeria, nor it being a global bank. But I am still surprise about what you are saying about it not being significant in a reliable source, independent of the subject. I have to start reading Wikipedia:Trivial mentions to understand what is significant coverage and reading WP:IIS to understand what is independent and I don't see how Opay fails to meet them. CBN stops Opay, Palmpay, others from onboarding new customers Is this not an independent source ? Because it's not talking about Opay directly but a Central bank stoping them. And when talk about significant coverage in reliable sources they are many out there on Google. It's a bank, so I don't think we should be expecting more than anything else than the government interaction. There is no difference between Opay, Kuda Bank and Moniepoint Inc. that was nominated for an AFD but was keep. Gabriel (talk to me ) 20:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at this again but beware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Understood. Gabriel (talk to me ) 14:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at this again but beware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know too well notability is not based on WikiProject Nigeria, nor it being a global bank. But I am still surprise about what you are saying about it not being significant in a reliable source, independent of the subject. I have to start reading Wikipedia:Trivial mentions to understand what is significant coverage and reading WP:IIS to understand what is independent and I don't see how Opay fails to meet them. CBN stops Opay, Palmpay, others from onboarding new customers Is this not an independent source ? Because it's not talking about Opay directly but a Central bank stoping them. And when talk about significant coverage in reliable sources they are many out there on Google. It's a bank, so I don't think we should be expecting more than anything else than the government interaction. There is no difference between Opay, Kuda Bank and Moniepoint Inc. that was nominated for an AFD but was keep. Gabriel (talk to me ) 20:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Gabriel601. Unfortunately, notability is not based on knowledge of WikiProject Nigeria, nor is it based on it being a global bank. NCORP (And GNG) require significant coverage in reliable sources, independent of the subject. Are you able to point out the references that meet WP:ORGCRIT? I will take another look and if they meet the criteria withdraw the nomination. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Delete: So while reviewing AFCs, I encountered this draft and wanted to decline it. However, due to the Opay's operations in Nigeria and Egypt (in addition to Pakistan), I refrained from making a definitive judgment, as I was uncertain about the extent of coverage in sources from these 02 countries. But as far as Pakistani sources are concerned, the organization does not meet WP:NORG as I could not find sig/in-depth coverage in Pakistani RS. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where does wikipedia state that if you can't find RS in Pakistani an article should be deleted? I have never even been to Pakistan so I didn't focus to write anything much about it. And from what I have seen so far I don't think the popularity it has gained in Nigeria, Pakistani nor Egypt are far better than it, so I didn't focus to get RS from those country.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, My assessment was based on the Pakistani sources cited in the article. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because your assessment was based on the Pakistani sources made you voted delete. That sounds so funny, meanwhile, the sources from even the Pakistani section are not just mere blogs but newspapers which are qualified to verify if a statement is right according to WP:NEWSORG and WP:REPUTABLE. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, Instead of spending your time mocking me, why not suggest some strong coverage that you believe can help establish WP:GNG? Simple! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not mocking you. I am just trying to understand your point which doesn't seem to be clear by Wikipedia. Because wikipedia is not just base on only Pakistani RS if that has been a reason you have been declining other editors article. Just like you said you would have declined Opay base on the Pakistani RS. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, That's not quite what I meant but I don't think I need to explain further. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saida, Gabriel601 seems to be a bit correct. We can't use a part to justify a whole or for example, John Doe is bad and for that, his family member are all bad. No! If you checked the Pakistani sources and since you may be familiar with them just help the article and remove it. As far as I can suggest it think, there were only two or three sources from Pakistan which I had removed not because they doesn't meet WP:SIRS but because they are mostly WP:INTERVIEWS. I hope this addresses a bit good matter, and thanks for analysing the Pakistan source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- SafariScribe, I voted to delete in this AfD because the article mentioned the company operated in Pakistan. Now that the article no longer mentions Pakistan, it's not relevant to me anymore, and I don't have time to analyze Nigerian sources. So, I'm going to remove my vote and stay neutral. — Saqib (talk) 08:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saida, Gabriel601 seems to be a bit correct. We can't use a part to justify a whole or for example, John Doe is bad and for that, his family member are all bad. No! If you checked the Pakistani sources and since you may be familiar with them just help the article and remove it. As far as I can suggest it think, there were only two or three sources from Pakistan which I had removed not because they doesn't meet WP:SIRS but because they are mostly WP:INTERVIEWS. I hope this addresses a bit good matter, and thanks for analysing the Pakistan source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, That's not quite what I meant but I don't think I need to explain further. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not mocking you. I am just trying to understand your point which doesn't seem to be clear by Wikipedia. Because wikipedia is not just base on only Pakistani RS if that has been a reason you have been declining other editors article. Just like you said you would have declined Opay base on the Pakistani RS. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, Instead of spending your time mocking me, why not suggest some strong coverage that you believe can help establish WP:GNG? Simple! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because your assessment was based on the Pakistani sources made you voted delete. That sounds so funny, meanwhile, the sources from even the Pakistani section are not just mere blogs but newspapers which are qualified to verify if a statement is right according to WP:NEWSORG and WP:REPUTABLE. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, My assessment was based on the Pakistani sources cited in the article. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where does wikipedia state that if you can't find RS in Pakistani an article should be deleted? I have never even been to Pakistan so I didn't focus to write anything much about it. And from what I have seen so far I don't think the popularity it has gained in Nigeria, Pakistani nor Egypt are far better than it, so I didn't focus to get RS from those country.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
::@Saqib, I think you should probably stop trying to delete Pakistani stubs and stuff like that. See it all the time, you declining and prodding. 48JCL TALK 02:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Clean is not deletion. I won't call this WP:HEY because it is good before I made few changes. The sources though may be populated by a little unreliable/routine sources doesn't mean others should be same. Herein, if a source isn't good for an article, it can be removed, and not alter a whole deletion discussion . I have presented that all the sources in the article makes it meet WP:ORGCRIT. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to @CNMall41, @Saqib, @Gabriel601, to reconsider the current state. Thanks. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. I see you approved this through AfC so you likely spent quite a bit going through the sources, but I feel that WP:SIRS may not have been applied correctly. Even the references since the nomination do not see to meet WP:ORGCRIT. Routine sourcing is fine to verify content, but not for notability. Can you point out the specific references that you feel meet ORGCRIT as the ones I see are still run of the mill?--CNMall41 (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CNMall41, you do be the one to do a source assessment. As much as I can see, all the sources or at least WP:THREE are all good to go. I am sorry to say you do have to see WP:SIRS again, maybe you are forgetting something. Since Organisation's are presumed notable, the sourcing maintains WP:SIGCOV, the sources are reliable per WP:NGRS, the sources are also secondary and independent of the subject. I don't even see any WP:ROUTINE because I have addressed that issue when I saw flaw of Pakistan, Egypt related matter. I address again, all the sources are all reliable and meets WP:ORGCRITE. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did assess the sources and did a WP:BEFORE yet you say there are sources that meet WP:ORGCRIT. Yet, you have not pointed them out so unsure where to go from here. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CNMall41, you do be the one to do a source assessment. As much as I can see, all the sources or at least WP:THREE are all good to go. I am sorry to say you do have to see WP:SIRS again, maybe you are forgetting something. Since Organisation's are presumed notable, the sourcing maintains WP:SIGCOV, the sources are reliable per WP:NGRS, the sources are also secondary and independent of the subject. I don't even see any WP:ROUTINE because I have addressed that issue when I saw flaw of Pakistan, Egypt related matter. I address again, all the sources are all reliable and meets WP:ORGCRITE. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. I see you approved this through AfC so you likely spent quite a bit going through the sources, but I feel that WP:SIRS may not have been applied correctly. Even the references since the nomination do not see to meet WP:ORGCRIT. Routine sourcing is fine to verify content, but not for notability. Can you point out the specific references that you feel meet ORGCRIT as the ones I see are still run of the mill?--CNMall41 (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Maybe it has some minor issues, but deleting it is not suggestedParwiz ahmadi (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. It does show that you are applying WP:SIRS incorrectly just be looking at the first four you listed. The first reference is a business directory listing. Never at any time have I ever seen it acceptable to use something like this towards notability. It would be the same as using a Bloomberg profile (see the section here on Bloomberg profiles). The second is paywalled and I do not have access but looks like it is one of four companies listed as being told to stop accepting some form of payments. This is NOT in-depth about the company as it likely doesn't describe the background of the company in-depth (just routine coverage although again, I do not have full access - I have seen these countless of times however). I am not sure about the third you listed by Punch, but would need clarification on what you mean by "primary coverage." The fourth also does not show WP:CORPDEPTH. It is routine coverage of the CEO stepping down. There is no depth to it about the company and you can see it is routine by the way it is covered in at least four other publications. It would fall under WP:CHURNALISM as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Because this greatly fall under Nigeria, I do know how I analyse sources and know when other "copy cat" websites copy.
The fact is that other website you cited are blogs.Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 02:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- The sources I cited above are the ones you stated meet WP:ORGCRIT. If they are blogs as you say, that is even more of a concern they don't meet the criteria. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- That was an error. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The sources I cited above are the ones you stated meet WP:ORGCRIT. If they are blogs as you say, that is even more of a concern they don't meet the criteria. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Because this greatly fall under Nigeria, I do know how I analyse sources and know when other "copy cat" websites copy.
- I never intended this would be a long argument since I thought you did a BEFORE before nominating or because of the Egypt-Pakistani error had earlier. Now, bypassing BEFORE do affect AFDs. Per GNG, an article that has shown relevant significant coverage is presumed to have a stand alone article/list,and here lies news publications, Google scholar lists, appearances on CSE, and this article [Eguegu, Ovigwe. “The Digital Silk Road: Connecting Africa with New Norms of Digital Development.” Asia Policy 17, no. 3 (2022): 30–39. https://www.jstor.org/stable/27227215.] quoting "...The Chinese fintech company OPay serves millions of Nigerian users and is valued at over $2 billion.14 Chinese firm Transsion Holdings dominates the African smartphone market with a 48.2% share, ahead of Samsung at 16%.15 Market-leading apps and services such as music streaming service BoomPlay, mobile payment...". Am I still having any other problem? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 02:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I never intend to be an argument but I am discussing points being made. I would also appreciate that everyone stops mentioning countries and culture as if this is a bias issue. Not all Wikipedia languages have the same guidelines and maybe the sources are good enough for other Wikipedia. However, for English Wikipedia, company guidelines are strict on sourcing. These simply do not meet it. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Amongst other sources found by SafariScribe, these source by Samson Akintaro of Nairametrics is a field work that reviewed the company. I understand that CNMall41 may have a feeling that the sources are probably biased or promotional but what reads as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be tone policing the sources. Best, Reading Beans 18:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not a culturual thing. The applicable guideline is WP:ORGCRIT and when applying WP:SIRS there is nothing here that meets it. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. In plain English, this means that references cannot rely *only* on information provided by the company - such as articles that rely entirely on quotations, press releases, announcements, interviews, website information, etc - even when slightly modified. If it isn't *clearly* showing independent content then it fails ORGIND.
- I'll also add that ORGCRIT is not the full picture when analysing sources and the analysis performed above is incomplete. Here is an analysis of those same sources performed against NCORP criteria:
- This Listing on Central Bank website is just that, a listing. It does little more than verify the existence of a company at that point in time. What it doesn't do, is provide in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND.
- This report from Africa Report is based on a directive from the CBN to halt on-boarding of new companies and is little more than a mention-in-passing, no in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, fails ORGIND and CORPDEPTH.
- This from Punch is based entirely on information provided by the company, fails ORGIND.
- This in Business Day is also based entirely on an announcement by one of the company's execs with no "Independent Content", fails ORGIND.
- This is a "story" about a tweet, it has no in-depth "Independent Content" that is from a RS, fails RS, ORGIND, and CORPDEPTH.
- This from Daily Post is an article about a company exec convicted for stealing. It has no in-depth info about the company, fails CORPDEPTH.
- This Daily News article is entirely based (and is) a PR announcement, fails ORGIND.
- This published on Yahoo is also a company PR announcement, also fails ORGIND.
- This in Leadership concerns the company winning an award but contains zero in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, fails CORPDEPTH/ORGIND.
- This from Vanguard fails for the exact same reasons.
- This article in Punch acknowledges that the topic company is mentioned in a report. That's it, just a mention. Fails CORPDEPTH.
- This final one from Leadership is regurgitated PR and also contains no in-depth "Independent Content" on the company, fails CORPDEPTH and ORGIND.
- In summary, not one single reference meets the criteria for establishing notability and the ones listed above are simply regurgitating company announcements and have no in-depth "Independent Content" in the form of independent analysis/fact checking/opinion/etc. HighKing++ 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Analysing sources especially on companies are usually seen from the way a certain readability is mean. For example, it is mostly a liar to.say that companies doesn't have PR but at some point, one of the major ways of seeing the notability is per WP:SIGCOV. This has been talked about for years. I want you to address this source, and significant ways that shows SIGCOV like this JSTOR article, CSE, listing on Google Scholar, and this news sources. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Actually haven’t had enough time to contribute but as per the one delete vote. I don’t think the user has made its research on google to find what he or she is actually looking for. Sometimes it happens like that to some editors. While the editors who voted keep has provided more reference beyond the reference on the article from google. I’m currently weak at the moment and look forward to others contributions.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 23:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: For context's sake (the current version of this article is not clear about this), Telnet was a company that owned Paycom, Opera acquired Telnet's Paycom, picked the O from Opera and picked the Pay from Paycom to reflect a merge of these services, Opay. [source1] [source2] Opay has deep historical records and coverages of how it came about, from being Telnet's property (Paycom) to becoming Opera's property (Opay) all over the web, Business Day gives quite a handful of history here. There's a review of Opay's services right here on Nairametrics. With these, I am satisfied with WP:NORG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Can this also be added to the article about how OPay came about. For now I’m currently busy off Wikipedia and will be back soon. Thanks. Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Egypt Proposed deletions
Ethiopia
List of Saint George S.C. players
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No evidence this list of self-selected players meets the WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 20:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Zero notability, a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 22:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is the top football team in Ethiopia, and is well sourced. I fail to see why WP:LISTN doesn't apply here. SportingFlyer T·C 02:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep—I tend to agree with SportingFlyer. I'm not sure how this can be see has having "zero notability" if it is the best football team in Ethiopia. It is also universally discussed "as a group or set" by nature, working it into the threshold of WP:NLIST. I think this falls under WP:BIAS to a large degree, as well. Anwegmann (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per SportingFlyer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The club was founded in 1935 and such a list would purport to include players from the club's entire existence. There is a huge WP:V barrier that I don't see this list overcoming. How to verify which players played for Saint George SC, how many matches (i.e. who surpassed the 50-match mark, 100, 250 etc.) and when? To me that would seem equally impossible as maintaining and updating the list. Finally, deleting it removes nothing of value, as a category does the job much better. Geschichte (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Ethiopia Proposed deletions
Ghana
Kenya
Kubi Turkana
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I couldn't find anything about this farm on the web except a map that may show it (complicated map). Bbb23 (talk) 20:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete WP:A7 BrigadierG (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- delete: is not WP:NOTABLE, has no WP:SIGCOV, has more images than words, and that's just the stuff i can think of off the top of my head. Noelle!!! (summon a demon or read smth) 16:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Nana Wanjau
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Non-notable businesswoman and "philanthropist." Sources do not support notability under WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Most references are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or they fail verification. The only examples of WP:SIGCOV are problematic and unreliable. Mkazi (the website is inactive) was a lifestyle blog with no named editors or legitimate editorial process. The Parents Africa profile is really a WP:INTERVIEW, and it makes major errors (for example, stating that she left a highly-paid corporate job in a year when she would have been 20). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - I have reorganized the article and added some news articles sources from Gale. The top two references are here:[1][2] The Mkazi article mentioned above also provides biographical details. I updated the citation for the Mkazi article, and other inactive URLs, to use archived URLs. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- Can you provide some details on what the second Star source you cited says since there appears to be no online version? Thanks! The first one (link here) is a WP:INTERVIEW and thus would not qualify for notability. As for the Mkazi piece, it was a lifestyle blog with no named editors or legitimate editorial process and thus cannot be a reliable source for purposes of notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The second article is 1300 words on the charity founded by Wanjau. Also, I would argue that the first source I provided includes expansion of the conversation with Wanjau, and thus showing 'depth of preparation' that would be needed to establish notability as is quoted in the essay you linked. DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1300 words on Wanjau or on her charity? Re: the Star interview, every other paragraph is a quote from Wanjau. There are no quotes from other interviewees, and she appears to be the sole source relied upon by the interviewer, which shows the opposite of "depth of preparation." Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The article you cannot access is about her charity and biographical details on her. I stand by my statements that the citations I provide were more than interviews; the Mkazi piece and the lengthy editorial from Parents Africa are also more than interviews. At this point I leave it to other people to comment. DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- 1300 words on Wanjau or on her charity? Re: the Star interview, every other paragraph is a quote from Wanjau. There are no quotes from other interviewees, and she appears to be the sole source relied upon by the interviewer, which shows the opposite of "depth of preparation." Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Leonard Mbotela
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Doesn't meet WP:NJOURNALIST / WP:ANYBIO. BoraVoro (talk) 07:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Seems to pass notability, sources 6 and 11 are the best. I also found this [7] and [8]. The last one I posted seems to suggest political notability as well. Oaktree b (talk) 13:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: Procedural keep per meeting at least some credible and keep...able input. There can be sources since the article somewhat meets inclusion by importance and source by few reliable source per WP:RS.Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm seeing lots of keep opinions from this editor on this day, and regrettably, most of them do not make sense. "Procedural keep per meeting at least some credible and keep...able input" is close to nonsense. "Somewhat meets inclusion by importance and source by few reliable source" is not a helpful or useful comment. Please state which sources are reliable and contribute towards notability. Geschichte (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Geschichte, it seems I used mobile that caused much of the typographical error. Also the time shows I was in a sleep carried mode (ready to sleep for the night), that I may have edited wrongly (but with love not with prejudice). I didn't see this as early as because I wasn't pinged. Please this type of comment should be partly, when necessary addressed to the editors talk page and if likely, only on that particular case. If I had made mistake, advise me on my TP and not leave a message without diff as you did. Now j understand your message on my TP. The diff I requested wasn't sent by you and it was difficult to check if there was any error with my vote in AFDs. Thanks though and will value the spirit of rechecking. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm seeing lots of keep opinions from this editor on this day, and regrettably, most of them do not make sense. "Procedural keep per meeting at least some credible and keep...able input" is close to nonsense. "Somewhat meets inclusion by importance and source by few reliable source" is not a helpful or useful comment. Please state which sources are reliable and contribute towards notability. Geschichte (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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Libya
Mauritius
Domaine Ylang Ylang
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Fails to have enough coverage in references, so does not pass WP:NORG or WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Before you jump the gun and delete it which appears to be your specislisation, I suggest you give this plant the time to grow and for it to be properly documented. Thank you. Stockbroker369 (talk) 12:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- This is not a food, drink place LOL. This is a famous Domaine in Mauritius, close to Mahebourg. Stockbroker369 (talk) 11:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The sources identified by Rosguill in the last AfD seem to be enough to keep the article (I'm not listing them here, they can be seen by clicking on the prior AfD in the box at the right). That editor's analysis is fine. Oaktree b (talk) 12:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would accept draftification as an WP:ATD since appropriate references have not been added since the previous AFD. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @UtherSRG, how about you add the sources yourself instead? Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a game of Mother, May I? Articles do not need to get sent back to the beginning just because someone didn't follow the directions perfectly. It would probably take you less time to copy and paste those sources over than has already been spent in this AFD.
- There isn't actually a requirement in any policy or guideline to cite sources. Our rule is that a subject can qualify for a separate article if sources exist in the real world, even if none are cited in the article. As a long-term project, if you want to be able to delete or hide articles because they don't contain at least one source, then I suggest that you propose that. There was some effort to extended WP:BLPPROD rules to all articles earlier this year. The consensus went the other way, but perhaps if you read that discussion, you'd be able to find a path forward towards your goal. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would accept draftification as an WP:ATD since appropriate references have not been added since the previous AFD. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Stockbroker369 This is an interesting article. It would be to your advantage if you could add a couple of more inline sources. Preferably in the first two paragraphs. Also images need to have the description on them like I just added. — Maile (talk) 03:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Morocco
Nigeria
Jake Dan-Azumi
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Fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Olanrewaju Smart
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My rationale from the just concluded AfD still stands. The subject fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. While there is no source to verify the "Senior Special Assistant to the President on Intergovernmental Affairs" position, it also does not makes the subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. This was previously deleted on this ground and was undeleted and moved here again without any improvement. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - I think the political importance of some of these Federal public servant roles in Nigeria isn't grasped here. What we can note is that the appointment of Smart was a news story in itself in various national media, see [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14] this source gives indication of how these posts are politically sensitive and fought over. --Soman (talk) 12:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Obe (Soups)
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All sources cited are blogs, and thus not WP:RS. Few appear to even approximately support the content they are supposedly being cited for. And as far as I have been able to determine, 'obe' is simply a generic Yoruba word for 'soup' and/or 'sauce'. If properly sourced, an article on Yoruba cuisine might well be a legitimate topic, but such an article would have to describe, using appropriate sources, what made it distinctive. Having a word for something doesn't in of itself make a topic notable. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: There's no strong ground on notability on this one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Opay
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Fails WP:NCORP. While on first glance there is significant coverage, all of it is press release, churnalism, routine announcements, or otherwise sources that fails WP:ORGCRIT. Even Forbes was generated by the company itself and the rest look like a well-run press campaign. Absent in-depth independent coverage, I do not see how this meets notability guidelines. CNMall41 (talk) 17:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment first of all, if you were a member of the Wiki project Nigeria. You will know that Opay is a notable bank. Talking about the sources, Opay is not a company that goes to the news to create well run press campaign. The news generates content base on the company notability as a global bank. To all the WP you cited, they all said a company is presumed to be notable which they gave their reasons and I don’t see how does the company fails to meet them. The article subject even also, passed WP:GNG.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 17:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC).
- Thanks, Gabriel601. Unfortunately, notability is not based on knowledge of WikiProject Nigeria, nor is it based on it being a global bank. NCORP (And GNG) require significant coverage in reliable sources, independent of the subject. Are you able to point out the references that meet WP:ORGCRIT? I will take another look and if they meet the criteria withdraw the nomination. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know too well notability is not based on WikiProject Nigeria, nor it being a global bank. But I am still surprise about what you are saying about it not being significant in a reliable source, independent of the subject. I have to start reading Wikipedia:Trivial mentions to understand what is significant coverage and reading WP:IIS to understand what is independent and I don't see how Opay fails to meet them. CBN stops Opay, Palmpay, others from onboarding new customers Is this not an independent source ? Because it's not talking about Opay directly but a Central bank stoping them. And when talk about significant coverage in reliable sources they are many out there on Google. It's a bank, so I don't think we should be expecting more than anything else than the government interaction. There is no difference between Opay, Kuda Bank and Moniepoint Inc. that was nominated for an AFD but was keep. Gabriel (talk to me ) 20:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at this again but beware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Understood. Gabriel (talk to me ) 14:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at this again but beware of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know too well notability is not based on WikiProject Nigeria, nor it being a global bank. But I am still surprise about what you are saying about it not being significant in a reliable source, independent of the subject. I have to start reading Wikipedia:Trivial mentions to understand what is significant coverage and reading WP:IIS to understand what is independent and I don't see how Opay fails to meet them. CBN stops Opay, Palmpay, others from onboarding new customers Is this not an independent source ? Because it's not talking about Opay directly but a Central bank stoping them. And when talk about significant coverage in reliable sources they are many out there on Google. It's a bank, so I don't think we should be expecting more than anything else than the government interaction. There is no difference between Opay, Kuda Bank and Moniepoint Inc. that was nominated for an AFD but was keep. Gabriel (talk to me ) 20:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Gabriel601. Unfortunately, notability is not based on knowledge of WikiProject Nigeria, nor is it based on it being a global bank. NCORP (And GNG) require significant coverage in reliable sources, independent of the subject. Are you able to point out the references that meet WP:ORGCRIT? I will take another look and if they meet the criteria withdraw the nomination. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Delete: So while reviewing AFCs, I encountered this draft and wanted to decline it. However, due to the Opay's operations in Nigeria and Egypt (in addition to Pakistan), I refrained from making a definitive judgment, as I was uncertain about the extent of coverage in sources from these 02 countries. But as far as Pakistani sources are concerned, the organization does not meet WP:NORG as I could not find sig/in-depth coverage in Pakistani RS. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where does wikipedia state that if you can't find RS in Pakistani an article should be deleted? I have never even been to Pakistan so I didn't focus to write anything much about it. And from what I have seen so far I don't think the popularity it has gained in Nigeria, Pakistani nor Egypt are far better than it, so I didn't focus to get RS from those country.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, My assessment was based on the Pakistani sources cited in the article. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because your assessment was based on the Pakistani sources made you voted delete. That sounds so funny, meanwhile, the sources from even the Pakistani section are not just mere blogs but newspapers which are qualified to verify if a statement is right according to WP:NEWSORG and WP:REPUTABLE. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, Instead of spending your time mocking me, why not suggest some strong coverage that you believe can help establish WP:GNG? Simple! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not mocking you. I am just trying to understand your point which doesn't seem to be clear by Wikipedia. Because wikipedia is not just base on only Pakistani RS if that has been a reason you have been declining other editors article. Just like you said you would have declined Opay base on the Pakistani RS. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, That's not quite what I meant but I don't think I need to explain further. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saida, Gabriel601 seems to be a bit correct. We can't use a part to justify a whole or for example, John Doe is bad and for that, his family member are all bad. No! If you checked the Pakistani sources and since you may be familiar with them just help the article and remove it. As far as I can suggest it think, there were only two or three sources from Pakistan which I had removed not because they doesn't meet WP:SIRS but because they are mostly WP:INTERVIEWS. I hope this addresses a bit good matter, and thanks for analysing the Pakistan source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- SafariScribe, I voted to delete in this AfD because the article mentioned the company operated in Pakistan. Now that the article no longer mentions Pakistan, it's not relevant to me anymore, and I don't have time to analyze Nigerian sources. So, I'm going to remove my vote and stay neutral. — Saqib (talk) 08:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saida, Gabriel601 seems to be a bit correct. We can't use a part to justify a whole or for example, John Doe is bad and for that, his family member are all bad. No! If you checked the Pakistani sources and since you may be familiar with them just help the article and remove it. As far as I can suggest it think, there were only two or three sources from Pakistan which I had removed not because they doesn't meet WP:SIRS but because they are mostly WP:INTERVIEWS. I hope this addresses a bit good matter, and thanks for analysing the Pakistan source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, That's not quite what I meant but I don't think I need to explain further. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not mocking you. I am just trying to understand your point which doesn't seem to be clear by Wikipedia. Because wikipedia is not just base on only Pakistani RS if that has been a reason you have been declining other editors article. Just like you said you would have declined Opay base on the Pakistani RS. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, Instead of spending your time mocking me, why not suggest some strong coverage that you believe can help establish WP:GNG? Simple! —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because your assessment was based on the Pakistani sources made you voted delete. That sounds so funny, meanwhile, the sources from even the Pakistani section are not just mere blogs but newspapers which are qualified to verify if a statement is right according to WP:NEWSORG and WP:REPUTABLE. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gabriel601, My assessment was based on the Pakistani sources cited in the article. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where does wikipedia state that if you can't find RS in Pakistani an article should be deleted? I have never even been to Pakistan so I didn't focus to write anything much about it. And from what I have seen so far I don't think the popularity it has gained in Nigeria, Pakistani nor Egypt are far better than it, so I didn't focus to get RS from those country.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
::@Saqib, I think you should probably stop trying to delete Pakistani stubs and stuff like that. See it all the time, you declining and prodding. 48JCL TALK 02:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Clean is not deletion. I won't call this WP:HEY because it is good before I made few changes. The sources though may be populated by a little unreliable/routine sources doesn't mean others should be same. Herein, if a source isn't good for an article, it can be removed, and not alter a whole deletion discussion . I have presented that all the sources in the article makes it meet WP:ORGCRIT. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to @CNMall41, @Saqib, @Gabriel601, to reconsider the current state. Thanks. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. I see you approved this through AfC so you likely spent quite a bit going through the sources, but I feel that WP:SIRS may not have been applied correctly. Even the references since the nomination do not see to meet WP:ORGCRIT. Routine sourcing is fine to verify content, but not for notability. Can you point out the specific references that you feel meet ORGCRIT as the ones I see are still run of the mill?--CNMall41 (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CNMall41, you do be the one to do a source assessment. As much as I can see, all the sources or at least WP:THREE are all good to go. I am sorry to say you do have to see WP:SIRS again, maybe you are forgetting something. Since Organisation's are presumed notable, the sourcing maintains WP:SIGCOV, the sources are reliable per WP:NGRS, the sources are also secondary and independent of the subject. I don't even see any WP:ROUTINE because I have addressed that issue when I saw flaw of Pakistan, Egypt related matter. I address again, all the sources are all reliable and meets WP:ORGCRITE. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did assess the sources and did a WP:BEFORE yet you say there are sources that meet WP:ORGCRIT. Yet, you have not pointed them out so unsure where to go from here. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CNMall41, you do be the one to do a source assessment. As much as I can see, all the sources or at least WP:THREE are all good to go. I am sorry to say you do have to see WP:SIRS again, maybe you are forgetting something. Since Organisation's are presumed notable, the sourcing maintains WP:SIGCOV, the sources are reliable per WP:NGRS, the sources are also secondary and independent of the subject. I don't even see any WP:ROUTINE because I have addressed that issue when I saw flaw of Pakistan, Egypt related matter. I address again, all the sources are all reliable and meets WP:ORGCRITE. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. I see you approved this through AfC so you likely spent quite a bit going through the sources, but I feel that WP:SIRS may not have been applied correctly. Even the references since the nomination do not see to meet WP:ORGCRIT. Routine sourcing is fine to verify content, but not for notability. Can you point out the specific references that you feel meet ORGCRIT as the ones I see are still run of the mill?--CNMall41 (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Maybe it has some minor issues, but deleting it is not suggestedParwiz ahmadi (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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https://www.cbn.gov.ng/supervision/fi.asp?name=OPAY%20DIGITAL%20SERVICES%20LIMITED%20(FORMERLY%20PAYCOM%20NIGERIA%20LIMITED)&institutetype=Mobile%20Money%20Operator | ![]() |
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Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. It does show that you are applying WP:SIRS incorrectly just be looking at the first four you listed. The first reference is a business directory listing. Never at any time have I ever seen it acceptable to use something like this towards notability. It would be the same as using a Bloomberg profile (see the section here on Bloomberg profiles). The second is paywalled and I do not have access but looks like it is one of four companies listed as being told to stop accepting some form of payments. This is NOT in-depth about the company as it likely doesn't describe the background of the company in-depth (just routine coverage although again, I do not have full access - I have seen these countless of times however). I am not sure about the third you listed by Punch, but would need clarification on what you mean by "primary coverage." The fourth also does not show WP:CORPDEPTH. It is routine coverage of the CEO stepping down. There is no depth to it about the company and you can see it is routine by the way it is covered in at least four other publications. It would fall under WP:CHURNALISM as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Because this greatly fall under Nigeria, I do know how I analyse sources and know when other "copy cat" websites copy.
The fact is that other website you cited are blogs.Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 02:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- The sources I cited above are the ones you stated meet WP:ORGCRIT. If they are blogs as you say, that is even more of a concern they don't meet the criteria. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- That was an error. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The sources I cited above are the ones you stated meet WP:ORGCRIT. If they are blogs as you say, that is even more of a concern they don't meet the criteria. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Because this greatly fall under Nigeria, I do know how I analyse sources and know when other "copy cat" websites copy.
- I never intended this would be a long argument since I thought you did a BEFORE before nominating or because of the Egypt-Pakistani error had earlier. Now, bypassing BEFORE do affect AFDs. Per GNG, an article that has shown relevant significant coverage is presumed to have a stand alone article/list,and here lies news publications, Google scholar lists, appearances on CSE, and this article [Eguegu, Ovigwe. “The Digital Silk Road: Connecting Africa with New Norms of Digital Development.” Asia Policy 17, no. 3 (2022): 30–39. https://www.jstor.org/stable/27227215.] quoting "...The Chinese fintech company OPay serves millions of Nigerian users and is valued at over $2 billion.14 Chinese firm Transsion Holdings dominates the African smartphone market with a 48.2% share, ahead of Samsung at 16%.15 Market-leading apps and services such as music streaming service BoomPlay, mobile payment...". Am I still having any other problem? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 02:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I never intend to be an argument but I am discussing points being made. I would also appreciate that everyone stops mentioning countries and culture as if this is a bias issue. Not all Wikipedia languages have the same guidelines and maybe the sources are good enough for other Wikipedia. However, for English Wikipedia, company guidelines are strict on sourcing. These simply do not meet it. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Amongst other sources found by SafariScribe, these source by Samson Akintaro of Nairametrics is a field work that reviewed the company. I understand that CNMall41 may have a feeling that the sources are probably biased or promotional but what reads as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be tone policing the sources. Best, Reading Beans 18:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not a culturual thing. The applicable guideline is WP:ORGCRIT and when applying WP:SIRS there is nothing here that meets it. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. In plain English, this means that references cannot rely *only* on information provided by the company - such as articles that rely entirely on quotations, press releases, announcements, interviews, website information, etc - even when slightly modified. If it isn't *clearly* showing independent content then it fails ORGIND.
- I'll also add that ORGCRIT is not the full picture when analysing sources and the analysis performed above is incomplete. Here is an analysis of those same sources performed against NCORP criteria:
- This Listing on Central Bank website is just that, a listing. It does little more than verify the existence of a company at that point in time. What it doesn't do, is provide in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND.
- This report from Africa Report is based on a directive from the CBN to halt on-boarding of new companies and is little more than a mention-in-passing, no in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, fails ORGIND and CORPDEPTH.
- This from Punch is based entirely on information provided by the company, fails ORGIND.
- This in Business Day is also based entirely on an announcement by one of the company's execs with no "Independent Content", fails ORGIND.
- This is a "story" about a tweet, it has no in-depth "Independent Content" that is from a RS, fails RS, ORGIND, and CORPDEPTH.
- This from Daily Post is an article about a company exec convicted for stealing. It has no in-depth info about the company, fails CORPDEPTH.
- This Daily News article is entirely based (and is) a PR announcement, fails ORGIND.
- This published on Yahoo is also a company PR announcement, also fails ORGIND.
- This in Leadership concerns the company winning an award but contains zero in-depth "Independent Content" about the company, fails CORPDEPTH/ORGIND.
- This from Vanguard fails for the exact same reasons.
- This article in Punch acknowledges that the topic company is mentioned in a report. That's it, just a mention. Fails CORPDEPTH.
- This final one from Leadership is regurgitated PR and also contains no in-depth "Independent Content" on the company, fails CORPDEPTH and ORGIND.
- In summary, not one single reference meets the criteria for establishing notability and the ones listed above are simply regurgitating company announcements and have no in-depth "Independent Content" in the form of independent analysis/fact checking/opinion/etc. HighKing++ 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Analysing sources especially on companies are usually seen from the way a certain readability is mean. For example, it is mostly a liar to.say that companies doesn't have PR but at some point, one of the major ways of seeing the notability is per WP:SIGCOV. This has been talked about for years. I want you to address this source, and significant ways that shows SIGCOV like this JSTOR article, CSE, listing on Google Scholar, and this news sources. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment Actually haven’t had enough time to contribute but as per the one delete vote. I don’t think the user has made its research on google to find what he or she is actually looking for. Sometimes it happens like that to some editors. While the editors who voted keep has provided more reference beyond the reference on the article from google. I’m currently weak at the moment and look forward to others contributions.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 23:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: For context's sake (the current version of this article is not clear about this), Telnet was a company that owned Paycom, Opera acquired Telnet's Paycom, picked the O from Opera and picked the Pay from Paycom to reflect a merge of these services, Opay. [source1] [source2] Opay has deep historical records and coverages of how it came about, from being Telnet's property (Paycom) to becoming Opera's property (Opay) all over the web, Business Day gives quite a handful of history here. There's a review of Opay's services right here on Nairametrics. With these, I am satisfied with WP:NORG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Can this also be added to the article about how OPay came about. For now I’m currently busy off Wikipedia and will be back soon. Thanks. Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Nike Campbell
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Seems like not meeting GNG/ANYBIO. BoraVoro (talk) 10:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Baba Ijebu
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Not notable betting company; no reliable sources to meet NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 11:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: [15], [16], [17], and [18] from the article is enough to establish notability. Per se, the article meets WP:ORGCRIT and WP:SIGCOV. Maybe clean up is the problem. this and this shows mentions in books and newspapers. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 23:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment None of the references you've linked to provide in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company*, the topic of this article, none therefore meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing++ 16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Sources look fairly dubious. 1 is a how-to guide with pros/cons of playing, 2 is highly promotional ("popularity spreading like wildfire"), 3 is a hagiographic (see "Not only is Sir Kensington a successful business mogul, he also continues to contribute his quota to humanity") profile of the owner, 4 is a brief statement that the company has signed an athlete to an endorsement deal. Passing mentions found on Google above do not contribute to notability. Heavy Grasshopper (talk) 12:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are allowed to be as promotional (or anti-promotional) as they want per WP:RSBIAS. What matters is whether there's information in those sources that we can use. What counts as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be tone policing the sources. When you read through a "highly promotional" source, you just have to ignore the fluff and focus on the facts. For example, in the first couple of paragraphs, this one says that the subject is named after the founder, says where the founder is from, and says it is computer-based. Those are all encyclopedic facts. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your helpful response. Though I have some awareness of RSBIAS, it was good to have the opportunity to read it again and ensure I consider that fully when opining at AFD. I could have phrased my initial comment more effectively. i did feel the sources may scrape past the GNG threshold, which is why I didn't vote delete. Heavy Grasshopper (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are allowed to be as promotional (or anti-promotional) as they want per WP:RSBIAS. What matters is whether there's information in those sources that we can use. What counts as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be tone policing the sources. When you read through a "highly promotional" source, you just have to ignore the fluff and focus on the facts. For example, in the first couple of paragraphs, this one says that the subject is named after the founder, says where the founder is from, and says it is computer-based. Those are all encyclopedic facts. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Also, be aware there are differences between the types of sources that we require in order to establish notability of the topic company/organization versus the types of sources that may be used to support the content within the article. For the latter, just about any reliable source may be used, hence why RSBAIS is a thing. The sources you've linked to (legit.ng, allafrica.com, etc) may all be used to support facts and other content, but they all fail GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing++ 16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge portions to Gambling in Nigeria and expand from there. I don't think a standalone article is tenable if it's based on sources containing passages like
It is true what they say: you can’t win without trying. Why not to try it out today? Now that you know all there is to know about betting, it should be easier for you to play and even win.
andDream numbers: have you heard some people say they've seen lotto numbers while sleeping? It happens after they play the numbers - they say they've seen it in a dream. Note: sometimes your dream can fail if you are not sure that your dreams work.
However, after trawling through hundreds of results on PQ, I believe there is enough basic info there that a merge would be feasible. I found some additional background content in this journal article on gambling in Nigeria (citation below), though of course only the secondary (non-research/results) material in the intro section should be incorporated anywhere. There's also this article in India's Premium Times regarding tax fraud allegations, and a lengthy profile on Adebutu in sometimes-reliable? newspaper Vanguard. Other mild coverage is here. I don't think any of this is enough for SIRS, though. Salaam, A. O. (2014/02//). Gambling for sustainability: “Area boys” and gambling behaviour in lagos, nigeria. International Journal of Mental Health and Addiction, 12(1), 80-93. doi:https://doi.org/10.1007/s11469-013-9472-z EXCLUSIVE: EFCC goes after 'baba ijebu' over alleged multi-billion naira tax fraud. (2020/01/28/, 2020 Jan 28). Premium Times Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/exclusive-efcc-goes-after-baba-ijebu-over-alleged/docview/2346453561/se-2Low activities in lottery market. (2017/04/29/, 2017 Apr 29). This Day Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/low-activities-lottery-market/docview/1892944612/se-2 JoelleJay (talk) 04:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Ahmed Farah Dualeh
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This is possibly a hoax. I've moved the discussion over from the hoax talk page to save time. This is my reasoning:
While attempting to WP:DEORPHAN the article on Ahmed Farah Dualeh, I noticed an inconsistency. The article states that he
is the President of Jubaland, whereas Jubaland has Ahmed Madobe as the president in the infobox. The results of my research were: Google: I could not find any reliable sources to support the claim that he is the president of Jubaland, or even that he exists. Most sources are either clones of Wikipedia or social media accounts. JSTOR: Searching"Ahmed Farah Dualeh"in quotes had zero results. Searching"Ahmed Dualeh"in quotes had a six results. Some of the results are about Elmi Ahmed Dualeh, which I initially believed that "Elmi" was some sort of Somalian title, which I wasn't familar with. However, it is not, as the papers refer to Elmi Ahmed Duale. One result, Against All Odds: The History of Archaeological Research in Somaliland and Somalia, saysThe most remarkable of these students is Ahmed Dualeh Jama, who published his PhD on Mogadishu; so talks about a different person who has the same first and middle name. The article was created, with the claim that he is the president of Jubaland, over fourteen years ago.
However, after this discussion I would keep. Svampesky (talk) 18:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC), modified 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I have had to remove the URL as malware. There are no sources. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Searching the Somali form of his name, Axmed Faarax Ducaale, does turn up a few hits that support his work with the Somali community in Denmark, notably this call-in segment on VOA Somali. 2018 visit to Garbahare (described as an expatriate), 2015 comments on Ethiopian intervention in Gedo (described as a politician), and a 2014 conference of intellectuals (described as speaking for the Sade community). There's also a 2013 news blog describes him as "Foreign President of the Jubbaland State Administration" (not WP:RS) and a link to a compromised URL that the search headline seems to be describing him as the "self-proclaimed president of Jubbaland." He's listed in this 2010 press release about a Somali community meeting in Denmark. There was also a 2011 talk group post calling for him to be declared president of Jubbaland; and here's a 2012 talk group post describing him as president.Overall, it seems likely that he is a real person and the article is largely accurate in describing his work in Denmark. The claim that he was/is president of Jubbaland is not supported (though it seems there is a group that, at least in 2011/2012, recognized him as president). It might be possible to cobble together enough sources to meet WP:N, but the statement about being president is definitely more aspirational than actual. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like he's also the subject of the 2017 Danish movie Præsidenten fra Nordvest, which would argue he could meet WP:N. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was unable to find the documentary available anywhere. The production company is listed on IMDb as Film & TV-Compagniet ApS, which translates to "Film & TV Company Ltd." I'm assuming (hoping) it's a does what it says on the tin company. I found their contact information here and I'll email them to request a free copy of the film for the purpose of editing Wikipedia. Before I do this, could anyone advise whether this might go against any Wikipedia policies, such as conflict of interest, primary sources, or original research? The documentary could provide valuable insights and guide where to look on further research for the article. Svampesky (talk) 16:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the film is available to stream at Filmcentralen [19], which needs a subscription from a Danish educational institution, and Filmstriben [20], which only works if you have access to a library in Denmark. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have access to the film, and I've found lots of Danish sources about it. I have also boldly created Præsidenten fra Nordvest, per the clear growing consensus that the article on Dualeh will be kept. Svampesky (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the film is available to stream at Filmcentralen [19], which needs a subscription from a Danish educational institution, and Filmstriben [20], which only works if you have access to a library in Denmark. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I was unable to find the documentary available anywhere. The production company is listed on IMDb as Film & TV-Compagniet ApS, which translates to "Film & TV Company Ltd." I'm assuming (hoping) it's a does what it says on the tin company. I found their contact information here and I'll email them to request a free copy of the film for the purpose of editing Wikipedia. Before I do this, could anyone advise whether this might go against any Wikipedia policies, such as conflict of interest, primary sources, or original research? The documentary could provide valuable insights and guide where to look on further research for the article. Svampesky (talk) 16:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like he's also the subject of the 2017 Danish movie Præsidenten fra Nordvest, which would argue he could meet WP:N. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pasting my comment from Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia here:
This isn't a hoax, but "Jubaland" is a bit misleading here. In ~2010, Somalia was embroiled in a certain civil war (it's still ongoing); much of the region of Jubaland was (and still is) occupied by al-Shabaab. One consequence of this is that a bunch of self-declared mini-states were established, many with competing claims and no de-facto control. This article from Somalia Report has more detail on the mini-states and mentions Dualeh as the president of a "Jubbaland (2)"; this other Somalia Report article contains an interview with Dualeh, who established his claim in January 2012 in the US. This claim obviously didn't go very far; other claims like Azania, which was initially supported by Kenya during its invasion of southern Somalia to oust al-Shabaab, had more success. There are other sources as well; for example, here's an interview with Dualeh in which he talks about being the "president of Jubaland" at around 1:20. He also appears in Danish media (where he's based), like Jyllands-Posten [21] [22] and this in-depth profile of him in POV International [23], and has an X profile [24].
- The POV International profile mentions the Danish movie that Tcr25 found above. Malerisch (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Here's how a Danish newspaper interview/report describes his "presidency" when talking about the movie: "In 2012, Danish-Somali Ahmed Dualeh was elected by exiled Somalis as president of the regions Gedo, Middle Jubba and lower Jubba, which together make up Jubaland in the civil war-torn country of Somalia, and it is precisely this story that DR tells in the new documentary." (via Google Translate). —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and reworked that section of the article (and removed the infobox) to reflect what's in these sources. More work and sourcing on the rest of the piece is needed, but I would say keep while acknowledging the article needs improvement. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 15:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Here's how a Danish newspaper interview/report describes his "presidency" when talking about the movie: "In 2012, Danish-Somali Ahmed Dualeh was elected by exiled Somalis as president of the regions Gedo, Middle Jubba and lower Jubba, which together make up Jubaland in the civil war-torn country of Somalia, and it is precisely this story that DR tells in the new documentary." (via Google Translate). —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources found above. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Request Per advice from my mentor Special:Diff/1228772919, I would like to withdraw the AfD, but Walsh90210's singular delete !vote is preventing me from doing so. It cites
there are no sources
, but sources have now been found. Would you be willing to review your !vote? I'm NOT asking you to change your !vote. If you still think the article should be deleted, that's fine. It's not the end of the world if the AfD runs for seven days. Svampesky (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- This is definitely not a hoax; it is about an actual person. But I am not withdrawing my vote, it is not sufficiently clear that this person is notable (and *definitely* not clear that he and the film about him are separately notable); I would prefer discussion continue. In particular, his "political career" does not meet WP:NPOL. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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South Africa
Riaan Esterhuizen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Quintin Esterhuizen
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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Bernard Esterhuizen
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) JTtheOG (talk) 03:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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Poorly sourced South African cyclist. All I found were results from a single race (1, 2). A possible redirect target is Cycling at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's sprint. JTtheOG (talk) 03:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Some coverage: [25] (includes an Olympian calling him 'The Real Deal of South African cycling') [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Thank you. I am happy to speedy close if you !vote keep. JTtheOG (talk) 03:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I think the coverage is probably enough. Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Thank you. I am happy to speedy close if you !vote keep. JTtheOG (talk) 03:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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JP Lewis
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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JR Esterhuizen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was this piece on his apparent career switch. JTtheOG (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Wiehan Hay
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 23:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Sphu Msutwana
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Cullen Collopy
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All I found for this rugby player were a pair of transactional announcements (1, 2). There is some minor coverage, but nothing non-routine. JTtheOG (talk) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Fair bit of coverage, but I'm not sure there is enough to pass WP:GNG here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
CJ Conradie
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It's possible he goes by a different given name. JTtheOG (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Curwin Gertse
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I found a handful of sentences of coverage here and here on this rugby player. I don't think that's enough for WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON. Lots of coverage of his youth career, but nothing really GNG worthy yet. Not sure coverage would increase enough in the next 6 months to make it worth draftifying and no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Stephanus Muller
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This article falls far short of what is expected of a BLP. Had this been written only a few days ago, I would have immediately draftified it. As it is now a few years old, a discussion needs to happen in order to do that. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Enough book reviews (now added to the article) for WP:AUTHOR. As for the shape the article is in: despite the plethora of scary cleanup banners, I've seen much worse (in BLPs in no danger of being deleted) and WP:DINC. And calling for draftification of a years-old article with years-old cleanup banners is just a dishonest way of calling for its full deletion after it sits unaddressed for another half-year. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The recent addition of book reviews strengthens the article's compliance with the notability guideline for authors. Deletion seems like a harsh solution. We should improve the article, not delete it. Waqar💬 17:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Nqubeko Zulu
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
JC Kritzinger
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Few bits and pieces here and there with some of them having him as the main subject, but probably not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Grant Janke
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this piece detailing a criminal charge in Australia. JTtheOG (talk) 16:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Tertius Maarman
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 16:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Evides pubiventris
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A similar article exists. Kindly redirect to that NBV2010 (talk) 19:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 June 10. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 19:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, what is the similar article? Esolo5002 (talk) 20:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep UtherSRG (talk) 20:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Ref 1 states that a basionym is Chrysodema pubiventris, but there is no article with that name, at least. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. This is a valid species name, as shown at Ref 1. The existence of an article on a genus is not a reason to delete an article on a species. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep See Reference 1 on the article. ADifferentMan (talk) 05:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
PJ Vermeulen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Just found this on this one, so not enough for a GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Lyndon Hartnick
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Other than this struggling to find GNG passing coverage. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
WesBank Raceway
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I couldn't find sources to show this meets WP:N, or a suitable WP:ATD. It has been in CAT:NN for 12 years now, so hopefully we can decide now one way or the other. Boleyn (talk) 07:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Reading articles at news24 and IOL, I'm able to gather that the race track existed for four years before the land was sold. There's a throwaway line of "so many records were broken here" but nothing specific. I don't see that any notable races happened here, that notable racers racers there. Or any SIGCOV while it was operating. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
PW van Vuuren
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete While there is this I'm struggling to find anything else GNG worthy. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Stairs Mhlongo
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Coert Cronjé
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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2024 South African provincial elections
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No reason for this article to exist. User was BOLD in creating it, but there are individual articles for the provincial elections, and the results summary (which is all it is) belongs on the main page, where it was cut from. It also does not attribute the source article. Greenman (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. This should really just be on the main article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as the primary article is already very large, and it should remain mostly focused on the national parliamentary election. I propose keeping this article, and removing all the repeating content from the primary one.
- MapperGuy87 (talk) 20:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep — The original article is very long and a page for subdivisional elections is common for systems like this. This page could be more in-depth but it makes far more sense to put a shorter summary (probably in a table form) on the "general election" page and keep the in-depth stuff here. Watercheetah99 (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages. Greenman (talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No I'm aware, this is just a common element of approaches to similar systems. There are intermediate pages to link elections on the same subdivision level; for example: despite the fact that pretty much every locality's elections had a specific page, the 2024 United Kingdom local elections article exists and helps link the elections. An even better example are pages like 2022 United States gubernatorial elections or 2023 Nigerian gubernatorial elections, these intermediate pages are common and serve a purpose. If we wanted to completely overhaul the 2024 South African election pages, these examples could be models: there'd be an overview page ("2024 South African elections" based on 2024 United States elections) with a tables and short summaries on national, provincial, and local (by-) elections; there'd be separate 2024 South African general election and 2024 South African provincial elections pages; and there'd be pages for each provincial election. This would shorten each article and avoid the current overlap of each page. Those are just my suggestions and probably too much work, but I'm still a Keep for this discussion. Watercheetah99 (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages. Greenman (talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Seems reasonable to have a summary article that keeps all the provincial election results in one place and links out to more detailed articles. As Watercheetah says, this is fairly standard practice (e.g. 2023 Italian regional elections). Number 57 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Andile Witbooi
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I can't even confirm his unfortunate death in a reliable source. JTtheOG (talk) 22:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Marais Schmidt
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can . Liz Read! Talk! 01:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Koch Marx
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were routine transactional announcements (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 02:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Main coverage appears to be from his time in Jersey, but I don't think there's enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can . Liz Read! Talk! 01:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Luvuyo Pupuma
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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 02:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Matthew Dobson
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak delete There is this and a couple of other bits from his time in England. Personally don't think there is enough for a WP:GNG pass although close, and no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Lesaka Technologies
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Run-of-the-mill and other insufficient sources without proper in-depth coverage of the subject. Fails GNG, NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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- * Keep - The Mail & Guardian article seems prominent enough to establish notability. WmLawson (talk) 05:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: An IP that added "Delete per WP:NCORP" to 3 AFDs in 2 minutes. I think the chance that the closing admin places weight on these posts is approximately zero. Geschichte (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep based on present citations and also have found these additional citations Insider Monkey, Seeking Alpha, itweb, and The Street. It should be noted that this is a publicly listed company on NASDAQ and there are more news articles in Google under its current name and old name "Net 1 UEPS." Hkkingg (talk) 08:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hkkingg, Seeking Alpha and TheStreet are, as I understand it, generally considered group blogs, not RS, and as far as I can tell Insider Monkey seems to be the same. Is there any specific reason not immediately obvious you believe those sources meet the criteria? (itweb seems to be a WP:CORPROUTINE announcement as well) Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I don't know about this one. Simply Wall Street has a detailed analysis of the company's stock performance,[32] and this article (the second half) has important facts about the company (e.g., "3,300 employees in five African countries"), but there are so many press releases in the search results that it's hard to tell what's useful. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Francois Esterhuyzen
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this routine news piece and a few interviews in Russian-language media (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep I think there's enough in the Russian coverage to suggest a weak keep for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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Jéan Rossouw
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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep Couple of bits here, here and here which I think make it worth a weak keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete on account of the serious dearth of sources denoting notability. The ones provided above by RugbyFan22 are two routine listings of players, plus one nostalgia-cum-trivia article titled "Where Are They Now". We cannot construct notability on such thin ground. Otherwise, Wikipedia would be a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep the sources mentioned by Rugbyfan22 look like non-trivial coverage (there is a prose section of each, it's not just a routine listing). I am assuming Rugby365 is an acceptable source. --Here2rewrite (talk) 17:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Rol Naath
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I can find no reliable sources which refer to the place or term "Rol Naath". It may need to be renamed, e.g. Nuer Nation, but is it a nation? The sources included in the article do not seem to mention Rol Naath, but I do not have full access to the offline soures. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Hi @MSGJ Rol Naath is the Nuer people's home in South Sudan just like Igboland, Yorubaland in Nigeria to name a few. Nuer Nation is an English translation of what the name means. To your question "Is it a nation?", According to the dictionary, a Nation is a body of people having a common descent, history, culture, or language but without a separate or politically independent territory. It doesn't necessarily mean an independent country. Sovereignty is a different thing.
- Rol Naath is part of South Sudan. South Sudan is comprised of 64 different ethnic groups and each of these groups has its own land with its name. You can't just nominate an article for deletion just because you don't know what the title means and even after reading through the article. This Nuer people are one of the most studied people in Africa by anthropologists. Please read The Nuer, The Nuer conquest, The Nuer religion, The Nuer Nation, Bok in Yel, Wut Naath, few of many reliable sources that back up this article.
- To address your concern about renaming the article, according to Wikipedia:Article titles, The title must indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles. Rol Naath is what the article is about, the land of Nuer People within South Sudan and some part of Ethiopia. The title should not be the translation of what the article is about. The translations in both Arabic and English are already within the article. Gatwech Gai (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources around Igboland and Yorubaland in Nigeria but this article looks like a fringe claim to bolster an ethnic group land claims. If you look to the map in this article and compare it to the on in Nuer people, that becomes clear as you look to the land in the west of South Sudan.
- From your work at Nuer massacre, I really think you have an axe to grind and you are using self published books and primary sources, synthetic arguments, and editorialising. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You know its surprising to me to hear what a lot people think about Africans. I guess i understand now why people rarely find stuff about Africa on Wikipedia "a fringe claim to bolster an ethnic group land claim'? really? this land existed even way before the European colonization and you are making it look like Nuer are some kind of European who are trying to colonize some other ethnic groups?
- there is clear traditional land borders between each ethnic groups in South Sudan and even though the country is not stable currently, its not because of land and its not because some ethnic groups want out.
- Take a good look again on the maps in this article and the one in the Nuer people, do not let the grey lines confuse you, Dinka written is there on their land and Nuer is written on the portion of their land.
- Leave the Nuer massacre work to its talk page. This is about the land. I checked too many articles and almost all of them are build up on combination of sources from books and others and they are perfectly fine. Gatwech Gai (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per Wikipedia:Article titles, this is clearly at the wrong title. It's also difficult to determine whether the topic is actually notable or whether it's WP:SYNTH or a WP:POVFORK, as none of the scholarly searches I can actually access which contain the phrase "Nuer nation" discuss anything the article talks about, and the sources are off-line. SportingFlyer T·C 06:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well per Wikipedia:Article titles, its clearly noted that the title be about the article which the Rol Naath is. How come you can't find scholarly research about the Nuer and their land when they are the most studied ethnic group in Africa? E.E. Evan Pritchards in 1940 went to Nuer land on British government order to study the Nuer, he published The Nuer Nuer Religion, which pretty much cover every aspect of Nuer people's lives. These books ended up being taught in various universities in England and United State.
- There are other books that specifically talk about Rol Naath as well and you may as well take a good look The Nuer State: Rol Naath, The History of Nuer Nation 5000 BCE to 1943, The Uniques Background of the Nuer Nation.
- Notes: there are many sources about the Nuer people's land out there but most of them are not for free. Any one here who think Rol Naath be deleted might first need to sacrifice some money to acquire these sources before you claim that no scholarly sources available. Gatwech Gai (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even considering that it is sometimes rendered "Rol Nath", the sources you give are clearly self-published. All of them, including "The History of Nuer Nation 5000 Bce to 1943" looks like a screed to get Nuer people to take some sort of political action, which in Africa usually leads to ethnic cleansing. Moreover, the 5000 BCE is laughable and evidence of uncorrectable bias. Abductive (reasoning) 06:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see, your point of view on this topic is leading you to difference issues. If you think Nuer land being on Wikipedia is getting them take some sort of political action, did the Igbo and Yoruba people demand political action since their lands were published on Wikipedia? Was the Nuer massacre perpetrated because of their land?
- let this be about the topic in question and not making it about what you think may happen. keep that to yourself. Gatwech Gai (talk) 08:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I performed scholarly research and book searches for both "Rol Naath" and "Nuer Nation" (and now "Rol Nath.") No hits for Rol Naath and Rol Nath, and "Nuer Nation" brought up 37 sources, but nothing which closely matches the topic of this article, which is about a geographic area. SportingFlyer T·C 07:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even considering that it is sometimes rendered "Rol Nath", the sources you give are clearly self-published. All of them, including "The History of Nuer Nation 5000 Bce to 1943" looks like a screed to get Nuer people to take some sort of political action, which in Africa usually leads to ethnic cleansing. Moreover, the 5000 BCE is laughable and evidence of uncorrectable bias. Abductive (reasoning) 06:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There's definitely parts of this article which could be added or merged to other articles on the Nuer people, but I'm not seeing clear GNG-qualifying sources which suggest notability for the geographic or cultural region, making this WP:SYNTH. SportingFlyer T·C 07:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "not seeing clear GNG-qualifying sources which suggest notability for the geographic or cultural region"? the 1955-56 map made by British Condominium rule in Sudan is in there and the geographical border between Dinka land and the Nuer land is very clear.
- So you really think Nuer people do not have cultural region? why not check Sudan open archive (or may be you will have trouble finding source in there) if the sources that i have provided are not enough for you, seems like each one here is trying to justify his/her POV of why they want this article to be deleted but refused to acknowledge the wonderful work E.E Evan Pritchards on Nuer people.
- Nuer people is unreadable by the way, one of the Nuer fellow called me yesterday to help improve the article but it look like the African input about themselves are not welcomed here but non-African input about Africa are being welcomed with open armed.
- I still think this article about Nuer people's land should not be deleted. Gatwech Gai (talk) 09:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not suggesting otherwise - I am suggesting this particular article, as written, is problematic. I did find some accessible writings by Evans-Pritchard, and he calls the area "Nuerland" so I did a search on "Nuerland" which brings up far more sources, many of which are reliable, and I think it would be possible to write an article at that title. SportingFlyer T·C 16:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Deletecomment: This article looks like a fringe claim (maybe totally a hoax too) to bolster an ethnic group's land claims. If you look to the map in this article and compare it to the on in Nuer people, that becomes clear as you look to the land in the west of South Sudan. See this video that comes as the top of the list when searching for the article title which exactly talk about ethnic separation.
- From this editor work at Nuer massacre, I really think they have an axe to grind and they are using self published books and primary sources, synthetic arguments, and editorialising to do that. This editor has refused to listen and accused everyone who is pointing to the problems with the way they operate, as "working for the genocidal government of South Sudan?", or some kind of conspiracy and has been warned for it but continued with the same behaviour when challenged. You can also look no further than the discussion above.
- editors can choose to merge it to the Nuer people article but please be careful to weed out what is opinion written as fact (which can be fixed) and what is just totally fabricated.
- As for now, Gatwech Gai has responded to all comments, almost engaging in some serious WP:BLUD FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Before you accuses me of all of that, if you can use whatever video you find on Youtube to justify the deletion of the article on Wikipedia, did you use the Puntland declaration of their own autonomy region from the rest of Somalia to delete their article on Wikipedia? or Did anyone here use the need for Igbo independent state as a reason to delete Igboland from Wikipedia?
- Random talks on Youtube do not justify an article deletion from Wikipedia. Anyone can make videos on Youtube just to generate some viewers and get paid at the end of the day. There is never separation happening in South Sudan. Two of the five vice presidents of South Sudan are both Nuer.
- Again, the Rol Naath article shouldn't be deleted on Wikipedia. Gatwech Gai (talk) 14:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Nuerland is Nuer people's traditional homeland. It is located in south Sudan and some part of Western Ethiopia. Nuer people call themselve Naath and their country Rol Naath. For additional reading concerning Nuerland, please see: NuerLand and its location, Nuer people distribution, The Nuer by E.E. Pritchards, The Nuer description, The Nuer:description, The Nuer people of South Sudan, Nuer custom and folklore and Sudan Open Archive. Gatwech Gai (talk)
- Comment: article has been moved to Nuerland — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- The flag is for “The Nuer State” and “Röl Nath” which are different from Nuerland. I think I will spend time fixing this article since it’s now about Nuerland and not a recent ethnic claim of land that came to prominence after the South Sudanese Civil War FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Tunisia
Equatorial Guinea–Tunisia football rivalry
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Simply not a real rivalry. For some reason, the topic of "rivalries" is cherished by many, therefore some users create articles on rivalries on flimsy grounds. The policies that is failed here would be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Geschichte (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete lol. What nonsense. Mccapra (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- You can give your opinion, but be respectful. Mohamed Amine Trabelsi Talk 11:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Did the Tunisian soccer team social admin write this? Even for the general standard of rivalry article notability not being met, if I was a fan of EQ I'd be on the talk page yelling about the biased tone of this article with that lede alone. Nate • (chatter) 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The two national teams are so far apart both geographically and in terms of magnitude of success. The tone of the article is just really petty. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 20:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete two teams that have only ever played 10 times is not an actual, notable rivalry. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)*Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 20:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: In addition to OR and SYNTH cited by the nom, this is a failure of WP:NRIVALRY because of a lack of significant, reliable coverage covering this series as a rivalry. Routine match reports and statistics don't cut it. Let'srun (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:NRIVALRY. Only ordinary clashes between two teams belonging to the same confederation. Svartner (talk) 03:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete—Very obviously not an actual rivalry. I'm amazed the article's creator got so many words into the article, honestly. Anwegmann (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Uganda
Equatorial College School
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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing much found to consider against the WP:GNG JMWt (talk) 09:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Chapter Four Uganda
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An article that doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. The sources were solely based or more about the founders arrest. Hence if this is going to be beneficial, I would consider redirecting to Nicholas Opiyo. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Doreen Kyazze
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I reviewed tis article thrice to determine whether it is considered worthy of a Wikipedia entry. Firstly, I saw there were good sources as though a reviewer will do. I now checked the sources and almost a good percentage weren't reliable per WP:RS. Religion of sources and lack of WP:SIRS definitely defined this type of article.
In second checking for confirmation, I discovered so many sources lined her perhaps a single line other quote while addressing her as a worker at Penal. I would have said this should be redirected to the organisation page but didn't see any advocacy worthy enough for WP:ATD. Another subtle was drive by the award nomination. This cannot be called WP:ANYBIO since it was once nominated and wasn't won (it's is also a lesser award, thus not major like ANYBIO. I've therefore brought this to the table proper discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: The award from the EU seems notable [33] and [34]. I'm ok with the sources given. At least enough for BASIC Oaktree b (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b, EU human rights award is nothing but a less major award. Though must have come from a notable form EU, but the article bearer was a nominee and was only once. How does that satisfy WP:BASIC? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I find coverage [35], [36], [37] and [38]. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Oaktree b, the sources you listed all were independent of the Ugandan academic Spire or nearer to that. However, one nominated award is never enough for a career that isn't established. For example, a writer that has written extensively and appeared in reaserch paper may be considered even with the writing and more when nominated for an award like this. In this context, however, the article doesn't meet GNG of her career or any significant impact or SIGCOV of her advocacy ad work. Arguing about an award that is not even won is likely biased for me. It's simply a reminder! Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 23:37, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Anthony Masake
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An article that doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. While the notability of Chapter Four Uganda is questioned, I simply may conclude redirecting there per this source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 19:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Godfrey Nyakana
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Am article about a boxer that doesn't meet WP:SIRS on source assessment. The article in general doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep aside from the fact that WP:SIRS is for organizations and the nom misidentifies him as a weightlifter when he's actually a boxer (seriously?), there's substantial existing precedent that a podium finish at an elite international event generally makes an athlete notable - for example see WP:NTRACK, WP:NGYMNASTICS, WP:NTRIATHLON. The commonwealth games isn't the Olympics, but there's also WP:NOLYMPICS where any podium finish makes the cut. The commonwealth games is one of the most prestigious sporting competitions in the world, I think a gold medal makes the cut.
- He was also the subject of a documentary - https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/8/13/9147775/titleshot-20-year-old-boxing-film-seeks-completion BrigadierG (talk) 18:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It was an error that can be avoided. I have corrected it. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. BrigadierG (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It was an error that can be avoided. I have corrected it. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Keep. I think I gave enough reliable sources if you had properly checked those sources before tagging it for deletion. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 19:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Zimbabwe
John Type
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Doesn't meet WP:BIO, entirely relies on a single dubious source across two pages. Also unable to find significant, if any, secondary sources outside of the current one. SmittenGalaxy (talk) 01:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. ADifferentMan (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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