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Despite repeated warnings, {{u|Prashant!}} has reverted three different editors, {{u|Cyphoidbomb}}, {{u|Hell in a Bucket}} and me, within 12 hours. This comes despite the above discussions on the obvious neutrality issues in the article. --[[User:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#1F75FE">'''Krimuk'''</span>''|''<span style="color:#FF6347">'''90'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#008B8B">'''talk'''</span>]]) 14:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
Despite repeated warnings, {{u|Prashant!}} has reverted three different editors, {{u|Cyphoidbomb}}, {{u|Hell in a Bucket}} and me, within 12 hours. This comes despite the above discussions on the obvious neutrality issues in the article. --[[User:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#1F75FE">'''Krimuk'''</span>''|''<span style="color:#FF6347">'''90'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#008B8B">'''talk'''</span>]]) 14:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
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::And as expected, he goes on to post [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHell_in_a_Bucket&type=revision&diff=671715703&oldid=671715538 this personal attack] towards me. {{u|SchroCat}}, you had warned Prashant against attacking me in the previous threads, but he is repeating the same old stuff again. Could you or another admin such as {{u|NeilN}} look into this? Sorry to be bothering you guys, but this has been going on for a while now. --[[User:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#1F75FE">'''Krimuk'''</span>''|''<span style="color:#FF6347">'''90'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#008B8B">'''talk'''</span>]]) 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
::And as expected, he goes on to post [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHell_in_a_Bucket&type=revision&diff=671715703&oldid=671715538 this personal attack] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Prashant!&diff=prev&oldid=671715447 this passive-aggressive edit summary] towards me. {{u|SchroCat}}, you had warned Prashant against attacking me in the previous threads, but he is repeating the same old stuff again. Could you or another admin such as {{u|NeilN}} look into this? Sorry to be bothering you guys, but this has been going on for a while now. --[[User:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#1F75FE">'''Krimuk'''</span>''|''<span style="color:#FF6347">'''90'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#008B8B">'''talk'''</span>]]) 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
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:'''NOTE''': This user has revrted me countless times, is partial towards her favorite heros and heroines. He is trying to make me feel small since beggining, has always insulted me, abused me through Facebook, Twitter and Emails. He has anonamously abused me here and evrywhere. Plus, he is the one who doesnt beelive in neutrality and keeps on blaming me.—[[User talk:Prashant!|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:Red">'''Prashant'''</span>]] 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
:'''NOTE''': This user has revrted me countless times, is partial towards her favorite heros and heroines. He is trying to make me feel small since beggining, has always insulted me, abused me through Facebook, Twitter and Emails. He has anonamously abused me here and evrywhere. Plus, he is the one who doesnt beelive in neutrality and keeps on blaming me.—[[User talk:Prashant!|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:Red">'''Prashant'''</span>]] 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
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::...and the same-old rant starts again. Admins, please? --[[User:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#1F75FE">'''Krimuk'''</span>''|''<span style="color:#FF6347">'''90'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#008B8B">'''talk'''</span>]]) 14:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
::...and the same-old rant starts again. Admins, please? --[[User:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#1F75FE">'''Krimuk'''</span>''|''<span style="color:#FF6347">'''90'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Krimuk90|<span style="color:#008B8B">'''talk'''</span>]]) 14:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC) |
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Please mention that, this film is inspired from mary kom's life and also from "Million Dollar Baby".
Ram nareshji (talk) Please mention that, this filmis inspired from mary kom's life and also from "Million Dollar Baby" 2004 Movie. source: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/features/type/view/id/6829
Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2014
Please add ONLER KOM (Mary Kom's husband) part played by DARSHAN KUMAAR Nikita.everymedia (talk) 07:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —cyberpower ChatOnline 09:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2014
Holy grammatical errors batman!
Filming
After Priyanka Chopra's father passed away, filming started on June 17, 2013 at Filmistan in Mumbai. Prior to that, filming had been postponed for quite a while due to her father's illness. <ref>{{cite web|last=Awaasthi|first=Kavita|title=Priyanka Chopra begins shooting for Mary Kom biopic today |url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/priyanka-chopra-begins-shooting-for-mary-kom-biopic-today/article1-1077621.aspx|accessdate=16 May 2014}}</ref> Second schedule for the movie began on February 28, 2014 for 45 days. <ref name=schedule/> To make all action scenes as authentic as possible, the film-makers decided to use real-life boxers.<ref> http://m.ibnlive.com/news/priyanka-chopra-fought-with-real-boxers-in-mary-kom/488232-8-66.html </ref> Snbirdi (talk) 10:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 11:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Copy Edit
The plot summary seems a bit vague: having been copy-editing this but not having seen the film, a little more detail might be a good idea. LS1979 (talk) 10:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Mixed reviews
As per the review roundup in this source, the film has received mixed reviews, and in no way has been critically acclaimed. The article lists only the positive reviews and has completely neglected the negative reviews that the film received. As such, the "non-neutral" tag is needed here until the corrections are made. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 04:27, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- A review aggregator site also states that the film received mixed reviews, here, and definitely not "positive reviews" as the article states. I had put a POV-tag to the article for unduly promoting the film, but it was removed by Prashant! without posting anything in the talk page. He instead chose to put up a snarky edit summary, saying, "I ll be putting the same in your every article just wait, I am collecting evidences and then delist from FA". Cyphoidbomb, Cowlibob, Hell in a Bucket, Dr. Blofeld pinging you guys here as well. We need to put a stop to this WP:OWN issue that this editor has. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't own any article and no one else. First, I want to ask all of you to look here. He has rated the film one and half stating he was awke in frustration while watching the film. No one care who thinks what, we work here by looking at sources. He has a big problem with Chopra, and her films. I dont care and no one else. It is the case of Wikipedia:I just don't like it. We look refrences and not views of users. Right? The above link provided by krimuk contrdicts itself.
- Koel Purie gave the film - 3.5 out of 5
- IANS gave- 5 out of 5
- Firtpost did not gave stars but review was - mixed praising performance of Chopra
- Bollywood life gave - 4 out of 5
- India.com- 3.5 out of 5
- Bollywood Hungama - 4 out of 5
- Is it overall mixed or negative? No in fact its overall very positive..—Prashant 07:09, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- India.com is used by the source provided by you dude, which contradicts itself. Now, you have been caught red-handed. So dont pretend to be innocent.—Prashant 07:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Rediff gave 2 stars
- Mumbai Mirror gave 2 stars
- India Today gave 2 1/2 stars
- Hindustan Times gave 2 1/2 stars
- IB Times gave 2 1/2 stars
- Reuters gave a negative review.
- Filmfare panned the film, praised Chopra
- Indian Express gave 2 1/2 stars
- Deccan Chronicle gave 2 1/2 stars
- NDTV gave 2 1/2 stars; criticised Priyanka Chopra's casting and the film's direction
- Screen Daily calls it "merely dully efficient"
- Mint in a negative review, called it "thoughtless filmmaking"
- These above reviews are mixed and not negative. Are they? Is there a rule to include all the 1000 reviews. So, watching your source of Sahi Nahi, It is clear that the film got 69% of positive reviews. So, what should it be called? It says 33 reviewers gave it a positive and rest 15 mixed. Means overall more than positive. Dont you think?—Prashant 07:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, 15 are negative. Which means mixed reviews. That's basic common sense. And you haven't even included even one of those mixed/negative reviews that I have listed. Why? And you are actually trying to say you don't have an ulterior motive in promoting the subject? Just plain ridiculous! --Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Correct your math. Do you think 33> 15. Its more than double. LOL. The overall rating of that site gives 3.5 out of 5. I have not heard anything silly like this.—Prashant 07:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can someone explain some common sense to him? Why didn't you include even one of those mixed reviews in the article? You mention only the positive ones and don't even include the 2-2 1/2 star reviews. It's not about maths. If a large number of critics have disliked the film, then you can't say it has received positive reviews; it will obviously be mixed. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:38, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Correct your math. Do you think 33> 15. Its more than double. LOL. The overall rating of that site gives 3.5 out of 5. I have not heard anything silly like this.—Prashant 07:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Wow, Then its surely a case of Wikipedia:I just don't like it. We all see overall rating just like Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic which says above 60 is generelly positive or favourable reviews. The site also says the film is "Sahi" (Right). So I think the discussion is over. Put generally positive.—Prashant 07:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Also, I just checked "SahiNahi" has included all the mixed reviews as negative called "Nahi" (Wrong/No), which means the film still got 69% positive review and rest mixed to negative. I wanted to clear you.—Prashant 07:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- [WP:NPOV]] demands all viewpoints significantly covered by WP:RS so if the reviews were mixed then it's ok to note that and some of their comments as long as it isn't WP:UNDUE. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - We are not review aggregators. It is not our duty to attempt to summarize critical response. I opened a discussion at the Indian Cinema Taskforce a while back to try to gauge the interest in considering either Cinechicken or SahiNahi as reliable. The response was "meh!" for both. At Talk:Mad Max: Fury Road, a film that received (at one point) 99% approval on Rotten Tomatoes, there was a dispute about whether or not to use summary language "the film has received universal critical acclaim", "...near universal critical acclaim", "...critical acclaim", "...mostly positive reviews". Eventually it was decided to omit the summary, but to leave in the Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes scores along with their summary statements. I support Krimuk's removal of content here. At the very least a reliable source would have to be cited, but given the level of corruption in Bollywood cinema and in Indian entertainment reporting, I'd probably avoid summaries all together. And we should absolutely include negative reviews in the response section. The western film Citizen Kane regularly makes the "Top 10 Best films of all time" list from various periodicals, yet negative reviews are present in the article. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree on adding negative reviews. I will do it myself. But, his point it that it should be added that the film received mixed reviews, which is not the case . The film has got more positive (double) and mixed reviews = generally positive or well received. But, he want to add that it received mixed. —Prashant 16:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment We certainly can't use the current phrasing as it implies only positive reviews. The source itself is speculating "according to on going trends if the positive reviews and a good word of mouth keeps flowing in,". We also can't summarise critical response by numbers of reviews as that's original research. It would be arbitrary. We can cite review roundups as they often wait until the hype has settled. Here's another one from Wall Street Journal blog [[1]] which certainly doesn't indicate overwhelming positive reviews for the film. Chopra's performance however has seemingly received generally positive reviews. The review section certainly requires more representation of the negative reviews as well as actually telling the reader what aspects the reviewers didn't like with only the Business Standard and Hindu reviews actually elaborating on this. Anupama's and Shekhar reviews only tell us the positive aspects of their review. Cowlibob (talk) 03:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Roundup? Please tell me if anyone notes only three reviews for rounding up? LOL. Roundup is definitely not for Bollywood. Coming to nagative reviews, yes there should be negative reviews in the article.—Prashant 10:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Completely agree with Cyphoidbomb and Cowlibob. To continue where Cowlibob left off, it was much worse before I made this edit. Sarita Tanwar and Rajeev Masand criticised the film and only praised Chopra's performance in it. However, Prashant chose to write this: "Sarita A Tanwar of Daily News and Analysis rated the film 3 stars (out of 5) praising Chopra's performance and the supporting cast, calling it "[b]rilliant"" and "Rajeev Masand reviewed the film, stating that the film was [only] perfectly watchable." So he took the one or two good words in the review and completely skipped everything negative that was written about it. That's a complete misrepresentation of sources. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 05:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Look who is talking. The person who uses a sexist term "female hero" for a heroine. I think other should read your articles and they will know what actual manipulation means.—Prashant 10:48, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Personal attack? Where? You are the one who has always attacked me taunting about my bad english, saying I work for Chopra, and other stuffs. I never called an administrator. Please tell me why would you do that?—Prashant 12:20, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Calling me manipulative and sexist is a personal attack. Also, can you provide a link for when I said you worked for Chopra? Don't say stuff without proof. And fyi, saying that you have poor English language skills is not an attack, but a fact. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Then why calling a Black, black is referred as racist? You discriminate so much. And, yes it is a fact that I have a poor english. At least, Im still trying to work on it. And, offcourse there are proofs in the talk page history.—Prashant 12:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Prashant, knock it off. Your comments are moving away from the matter in hand and are directed at Krimuk90. In terms of the matter in hand, trying to force a positive opinion based on the number of stars a film receives is WP:OR. You need to find a reliable source that summarises all the reviews if you want to use something similar. – SchroCat (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Most of Indian films are not reviewed by Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritics. You have to ask Krimuk as he was the one who raised a question. It was a good move to include negative reviews and I have done. The SahiNahi says 69% reviews were positive so I guess its positive or well received. The source was provided by Krimuk himself.—Prashant 12:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, if a source says 69% were positive, it does NOT mean we say the film was positive. If a news report says the film received mixed reviews then we reflect that. I'd ignore Rancid Tomatoes and the other aggregators: they are worse than useless. – SchroCat (talk) 13:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- This source says mixed but conyradicts itself with all reviews (except one, which was mixed) were very positive (3.5-4). So first it only aggregate 5 reviews and outcome is positive but shows mixed. How can we believe it?—Prashant 13:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, if a source says 69% were positive, it does NOT mean we say the film was positive. If a news report says the film received mixed reviews then we reflect that. I'd ignore Rancid Tomatoes and the other aggregators: they are worse than useless. – SchroCat (talk) 13:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Most of Indian films are not reviewed by Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritics. You have to ask Krimuk as he was the one who raised a question. It was a good move to include negative reviews and I have done. The SahiNahi says 69% reviews were positive so I guess its positive or well received. The source was provided by Krimuk himself.—Prashant 12:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Calling me manipulative and sexist is a personal attack. Also, can you provide a link for when I said you worked for Chopra? Don't say stuff without proof. And fyi, saying that you have poor English language skills is not an attack, but a fact. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Personal attack? Where? You are the one who has always attacked me taunting about my bad english, saying I work for Chopra, and other stuffs. I never called an administrator. Please tell me why would you do that?—Prashant 12:20, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
User:Krimuk90 and User:Prashant!. Let's dial it down just a little. I've worked great with Krimuk and I've heard positive things for Prashant too. If you guyys can realize we are here for the same things we will be ok. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Really? HITB, Is that true that you have heard positive things about me? But, Krimuk keep on saying to me that everyone makes fun of me and I dont make any contribution here. Plus, I am a joke in the name of a wikipedian. —Prashant 12:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Prashant yes it is true. Frank does think very highly of you and I've seen the other comments of people supporting you in most things on your page. Btw if you are abbrievating my user name it should be HiaB. It's actually a name of a song [[2]], your english was still correct just not for a proper noun ;)Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Really? HITB, Is that true that you have heard positive things about me? But, Krimuk keep on saying to me that everyone makes fun of me and I dont make any contribution here. Plus, I am a joke in the name of a wikipedian. —Prashant 12:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Edit warring
Despite repeated warnings, Prashant! has reverted three different editors, Cyphoidbomb, Hell in a Bucket and me, within 12 hours. This comes despite the above discussions on the obvious neutrality issues in the article. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 14:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
- And as expected, he goes on to post this personal attack and this passive-aggressive edit summary towards me. SchroCat, you had warned Prashant against attacking me in the previous threads, but he is repeating the same old stuff again. Could you or another admin such as NeilN look into this? Sorry to be bothering you guys, but this has been going on for a while now. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
- NOTE: This user has revrted me countless times, is partial towards her favorite heros and heroines. He is trying to make me feel small since beggining, has always insulted me, abused me through Facebook, Twitter and Emails. He has anonamously abused me here and evrywhere. Plus, he is the one who doesnt beelive in neutrality and keeps on blaming me.—Prashant 14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC)