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I had rephrased the Huns sentence. so it's not copryright material, I just forgotten. [[User:WorldCreaterFighter|WorldCreaterFighter]] ([[User talk:WorldCreaterFighter|talk]]) 15.00, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
I had rephrased the Huns sentence. so it's not copryright material, I just forgotten. [[User:WorldCreaterFighter|WorldCreaterFighter]] ([[User talk:WorldCreaterFighter|talk]]) 15.00, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
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:If remembering to not steal text from sources you could forget, you probably shouldn't be editing here. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
:If remembering to not steal text from sources you could forget, you probably shouldn't be editing here. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
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== Concerning You Know Who == |
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So is you-know-who been topic-banned?--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 02:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC) |
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—Hi, I did not misspell my own name, there's just not a P anywhere in there!
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Thanks for your input
Hello Ian.thomson. Could you please offer your thoughts concerning this matter? Thanks – TheProfessor (talk) 13:42, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Global account
Hi Ian! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 23:59, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm thinking the above article and related talk page could probably use a few more eyes. Call it a guess. John Carter (talk) 00:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, User:John Carter, got lost on my way back from wassailing. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Publishing Ghosts Of Venice Article
Hi Ian. Please can you see my article changes and consider publishing as I am unaware of how to do so. Thank you for your help Killtherhythm (talk) 07:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Tower of Babel
OK, I think I've waited for long enough for something to change on this page but it hasn't.
I now understand what you meant about a story not necessarily being untrue. But that was
clear to me at first, and I wish not for other readers to misconstrue the meaning of the article like I did.
I therefore see no problem in putting a notice at the top of the page, pointing out
that a particular view is not put forward by the article and that whilst referring to it as a story, it still may or may not be true. If you really are Christian, you should support this. It will make sure that no one else takes it the wrong way.
Thank you.
WikiNonBoffin (talk) 15:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
- As a Christian I put my faith in Christ as my savior, and am not required to place codlingly overaccomodating disclaimers for those who prefer to get upset first and try to learn later (if at all). Ian.thomson (talk) 07:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Edit war
Please do not edit war, like what you did here:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pyramid&curid=23704&diff=642936164&oldid=642935813, thanks173.63.78.62 (talk) 18:10, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Please do not defend clear errors by accusing someone who reverted twice of edit warring, thanks. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:13, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Are you sure that it was a clear error? The summery didn't seem clear enough.--173.63.78.62 (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Pardon the interruption, but this administrator thinks the first edit summary was very clear that the rollback was to fix a clear error. —C.Fred (talk) 19:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. Also, the article in question and related articles are pretty clear that 10,500 BCE is further off than saying the pyramids are going to be built next week. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Enforcement request
here Cla68 (talk) 08:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Ian...my take is that being light hearted or having a sense of humor is prohibited on Wikipedia! This is surious bizniss and we can't joke around!!!--MONGO 14:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
(Religion)
Please do not edit/Delete my posts if you do not know the knowledge that I'm clearly putting on wikipedia. You seem to not have gotten the message that you do not know as much about religion then what you think you know. Please read the hebrew bible before you begin to delete my posts. "Stay away from the God Religion"— Preceding unsigned comment added by Highest_Relgion. (talk • contribs)
- Wikipedia is concerned with objective knowledge, not subjective belief. Wikipedia is not a pulpit for you to preach from. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
What I added "Is and will be (OBJECTIVE KNOWLEDGE) Wiki is about facts. Which I am providing. Next time you edit one of my things I will contact wiki myself through a phone call to prove my knowledge and so I'll be able to edit the pages that I have already "Edited" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Highest Relgion. (talk • contribs) 22:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @Highest Relgion.: That's pretty funny. So, exactly which phone number are you going to call? Who do you think you'll be talking to? What do you suppose they would say? Argument from authority is not sound reasoning. Tell you what, post on Jimmy Wales's talk page. That would be the fastest way to resolve your problem. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- I notice he keeps saying he's going to add something, and never does it. Perhaps on some level he realizes he's handling this the wrong way, but doesn't want to admit it? Ian.thomson (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Bruxing
I think you got a little carried away with that removal. I know something about bruxing, and what I said is factual. The only actual "medical advice" I gave was to talk to his dentist about it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- You still attempted to diagnose his condition. Whether or not it is bruxing, you're not a medical professional (and if you were, we have no way of verifying that). The top of the page says "We don't answer (and may remove) questions that require medical diagnosis or legal advice." Ian.thomson (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- You're wrong. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:44, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- So you didn't try to explain what his symptoms were? Because your edit clearly shows you trying to do so.
- He was unaware what his medical condition was, and described symptoms. You attempted to narrow his broad symptoms down to a particular ailment; not necessarily the root cause of the ailment, but nonetheless you tried to provide a diagnosis. To have simply left him a message saying "go discuss this with a medical professional" would have been one thing, but you restored a question that ultimately called for medical advice that we simply cannot give.
- If you truly believe that I should not have removed the post, report me to ANI. If you are not that confident, please drop it. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- The user Wnt has a more liberal view of these things than either you or I do. I've asked him to weigh in on this, if he cares to. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- You've provided no counter-explanation as to how you weren't not diagnosing, and do not appear to be acknowledging anything I've said. If you are only here to tell me I'm wrong without actually explaining yourself, I see no reason to discuss this with you. Do you not have anything actually productive to do? Ian.thomson (talk) 01:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- He described teeth-grinding, and that's exactly what Bruxism is, which you would know if you were to read the article. That's why I told him to go see a doctor and/or dentist, and advising someone to see a doctor IS NOT medical advice. Or, we can just treat the newbie like a jerk, as you did. Whatever. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- How did I treat him uncivilly? I simply pointed out that we don't answer medical questions. Saying that I treated him like a jerk implies you read a degree of hostility into my message in a way that fails WP:AGF, if not WP:NPA. Maybe you should get your (otherwise justified) frustration with Cassianto and SchroCat sorted before interacting with others. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- He described teeth-grinding, and that's exactly what Bruxism is, which you would know if you were to read the article. That's why I told him to go see a doctor and/or dentist, and advising someone to see a doctor IS NOT medical advice. Or, we can just treat the newbie like a jerk, as you did. Whatever. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:27, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- You've provided no counter-explanation as to how you weren't not diagnosing, and do not appear to be acknowledging anything I've said. If you are only here to tell me I'm wrong without actually explaining yourself, I see no reason to discuss this with you. Do you not have anything actually productive to do? Ian.thomson (talk) 01:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- The user Wnt has a more liberal view of these things than either you or I do. I've asked him to weigh in on this, if he cares to. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- You're wrong. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:44, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Please see
See the new ANI report on requesting professional advice by User talk:173.49.17.60, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Does_Wikipedia_offer_corporate.2C_real_estate.2C_hiring.2C_banking_and_legal_advice_now.3F μηδείς (talk) 02:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Respons
You wrote == What "Alternate history" means == at User talk:ADHZ07111989
Please read our article on Alternate history. Alternate history is a form of fiction. Your article on the Later Sui Empire was based off of this alternate history wikia. The website you cited says that their material is fictional. If there was a later Sui Empire, there would be other sources about it, but there are none. In short, it is fictional. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Attention please. The references for Later Sui Empire are:
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*Dragon Tales: China’s History from Tang to Qing. Singapore: Singapore: Asiapac Books. 2006. *梁惠王章句上 page 6 *西遊記 part 朱紫國唐僧論前世 孫行者施為三折肱 *廣韻 Part 上平聲 Bab 支 Lineage 隨 *廣韻 part 上平聲 Domain 脂 Title 伊 *太平御覽,人事部五十六,《孝女》 *《草木四》 Part 《叙牡丹》 Page 1 *之 Part 葘 *Dragon Tales: China’s History from Tang to Qing. Singapore: Singapore: Asiapac Books. 2006. *Dragon Tales: China’s History from Tang to Qing. Singapore: Singapore: Asiapac Books. 2006. Hawley, Samuel (2005). The Imjin War. Japan's Sixteenth-Century Invasion of Korea and Attempt to Conquer China. Seoul: The Royal Asiatic Society, Korea Branch. pp. 195f. ISBN 89-954424-2-5. Turnbull, Stephen (2002). Samurai Invasion. Japan’s Korean War 1592–98. London: Cassell & Co. p. 244. ISBN 0-304-35948-3. Roh, Young-koo (2004). "Yi Sun-shin, an Admiral Who Became a Myth". The Review of Korean Studies 7 (3): 13. *鬼三十五 Part 《浮梁張令》 *Dragon Tales: China’s History from Tang to Qing. Singapore: Singapore: Asiapac Books. 2006. The online version of references can you read at ctext.org, as follow: *梁惠王章句上 page 6 夫,音扶。浡,音勃。由當作猶,古字借用。後多放此。周七八月,夏五六月也。油然,雲盛貌。沛然,雨盛貌。浡然,興起貌。禦,禁止也。人牧,謂牧民之君也。領,頸也。蓋好生惡死,人心所同。故人君不嗜殺人,則天下悅而歸之。蘇氏曰:「孟子之言,非苟為大而已。然不深原其意而詳究其實,未有不以為迂者矣。予觀孟子以來,自漢高祖及光武及唐太宗及我太祖皇帝,能一天下者四君,皆以不嗜殺人致之。其餘殺人愈多而天下愈亂。秦晉及隋,力能合之,而好殺不已,故或合而復分,或遂以亡國。孟子之言,豈偶然而已哉? *西遊記 part 朱紫國唐僧論前世 孫行者施為三折肱 三皇治世,五帝分倫。堯舜正位,禹湯安民。成周子眾,各立乾坤。倚強欺弱,分國稱君。邦君十八,分野邊塵。後成十二,宇宙安淳。因無車馬,卻又相吞。七雄爭勝,六國歸秦。天生魯沛,各懷不仁。江山屬漢,約法欽遵。漢歸司馬,晉又紛紜。南北十二,宋齊梁陳。列祖相繼,大隋紹真。賞花無道,塗炭多民。我王李氏,國號唐君。高祖晏駕,當今世民。河清海晏,大德寬仁。茲因長安城北,有個怪水龍神,刻減甘雨,應該損身。夜間託夢,告王救迍。王言准赦,早召賢臣。款留殿內,慢把棋輪。時當日午,那賢臣夢斬龍身。 *廣韻 Part 上平聲 Bab 支 Lineage 隨 隨:隨:從也,順也,又姓風俗通云隋侯之後漢有博土隨何後漢有扶風隨蕃。旬爲切,三。隨:隋:國名本作隨。《左傳》云:漢東之國隨爲大漢初爲縣後魏爲郡又改爲州隋文帝去辵 *廣韻 part 上平聲 Domain 脂 Title 伊 伊:伊:惟也,因也,侯也,亦水名又州本伊吾廬地在燉煌之北大磧之外秦末有之漢爲伊吾屯隋爲郡貞觀初慕化内附置伊州焉又姓伊尹之後今山陽人。於脂切,五。 *太平御覽,人事部五十六,《孝女》 孝女: 《唐書》曰:劉寂妻夏侯氏,滑州胙城人,字碎金。父長云,為鹽城縣丞,因疾喪明。碎金遂求離其夫,以終侍養。經十五年,兼事后母,以至孝聞。及父卒,毀瘠殆不勝喪,被發徒跣,負土成墳,廬於墓側,每日一食,如此者積年。貞觀中,有制表其門閭,賜以粟帛。 又曰:于敏直妻張氏,營州都督、皖城公儉之女也。數歲時父母微有疾,即觀察顏色,不離左右,晝夜省侍,宛若成人。及稍成長,恭順彌甚。適延壽公于欽明子敏直。初聞儉有疾,便即號勇自傷,期於必死。儉卒后,凶問至,號哭一慟而絕。高宗下詔,賜物百段,仍令史官編錄之。 又曰:楊紹宗妻王氏,華州華陰人也。初年三歲,所生母亡,吻繼母鞠養。至年十五,父又征遼而沒。繼母尋亦卒。王乃收所生母及繼母尸柩,并立父形像,招魂遷葬訖,又廬於墓側,陪其祖母及父墳。永徽中,詔曰:「故楊紹宗妻王氏,因心為孝,率性成道。年迫桑榆,筋力衰謝。以往在隋朝,父沒遼左,招魂遷葬,負土成墳,又葬其祖父母等,竭此老年,親加板筑。痛結晨昏,哀感行路。永言志行,嘉尚良腎攏宜標其門閭,用旌敏德。」賜物三十段、粟五十碩。 又曰:孝女賈氏,濮州鄄城人也。始年十五,其父為宗人玄基所害。其弟強仁年幼,賈氏撫育之,誓以不嫁。及強仁成童,思共報復,乃候玄基殺之,取其心肝,以祭父墓。遣強仁自列於縣,有司斷以極刑。賈詣闕自陳己為,請代強仁死。高宗哀之,特制賈氏及強仁免罪,移其家於洛陽。 又曰:汴州李氏孝女,年八歲,父卒,柩殯在堂十餘載,每日哭泣無限。及年長,母欲嫁之,遂截發自誓,請在家終養。及喪母,號毀殆至滅性。家無丈夫,自營棺槨,州里欽其至孝,送葬者千餘人。葬畢,廬於墓側,蓬頭跣足,負土成墳,手植松柏數百株。季昶列上其狀,制特表其閭,賜以粟帛。 *《草木四》 Part 《叙牡丹》 Page 1 牡丹花,世謂近有。盖以隋末文士集中。無牡丹謌詩。則楊子華有晝牡丹處極分明。子華北齊人,則知牡丹花亦已久矣。出尚書故實又謝康樂集。亦言竹間水際多牡丹。而隋朝種植法七十餘卷中。不說牡丹者,則隋朝花藥中所無也。出酉陽雜爼 *之 Part 葘 夔:夔龍亦州名春秋時魚國漢爲魚復縣梁隋皆爲巴東郡唐初改爲信州又改爲夔州取夔國名之又獸名似牛一足無角其音如雷皮可以冒鼓。 *鬼三十五 Part 《浮梁張令》 頃為隋朝權臣一奏。遂謫居此峯。爾何德於予,欲陷吾為寒山之叟乎。令哀祈愈切。仙官神色甚怒。俄有使者,齎一函而至,則金天王之書扎也。仙官覽書,笑曰。關節既到,難為不應。召使者反報,曰。莫又為上帝譴責否。乃啟玉函,書一通,焚香再拜以遣之。凡食頃。天符"符"原作"府",據明鈔本改。乃降。其上署徹字。仙官復焚香再拜以啟之,云。張某棄背祖宗,竊假名位。不顧禮法。苟竊官榮。而又鄙僻多藏,詭詐無實。百里之任,已是叨居;千乘之富。今因苟得。令按罪已實。待戮餘魂。何為奏章,求延厥命。但以扶危拯溺者,大道所尚;紓刑宥過者,玄門是宗。狥爾一甿。我"我"原作"俄",據明鈔本改。全弘化,希其悛惡,庶乃自新。貪生者量延五年。奏章者不能無"無"原作"書",據明鈔本改。罪。仙官覽畢,謂令曰。大凡世人之壽。皆可致百歲。而以喜怒哀樂。汨沒心源。愛惡嗜欲,伐生之根。而又揚己之能,掩彼之長,顛倒方寸,頃刻萬變。神倦思怠,難全天和。如彼淡泉。汨於五味。欲致不壞。其可得乎。勉導歸途,無墮吾教。令拜辭。舉首已失所在。復尋舊路,稍覺平易。行十餘里。黃衫吏迎前而賀。令曰。將欲奉報,願知姓字。吏曰。吾姓鍾。生為宣城縣脚力。亡于華陰,遂為幽冥所錄。遞符之役,勞苦如舊。令曰。何以勉執事之困。曰。但酧金天王願曰。請置子為閽人,則吾飽神盤子矣。天符已違半日,難更淹留。便與執事別,入廟南柘林三五步而沒。是夕,張令駐車華陰,決東歸。計酬金天王願,所費數逾二萬,乃語其僕曰。二萬可以贍吾十舍之資糧矣,安可受祉于上帝,而私謁於土偶人乎。明旦,遂東至偃師,止于縣館。見黃衫舊吏,齎牒排闥而進,叱張令曰。何虛妄之若是。今禍至矣。由爾償三峯之願不果。俾吾答一飯之恩無始終。悒悒之懷,如痛毒螫。言訖,失所在。頃刻,張令有疾,留書遺妻子,未訖而終。出《纂異記》 |
I don't care about any fiction made from the Later Sui II Empire.
Please give me permission to make it or in exchange of that please help me make the article.
ADHZ07111989 (talk) 15:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- Those appear to be about the original Sui dynasty, which was replaced by the Tang dynasty (hence the line 孝女: 《唐書》). They do not appear to be sources on any hypothetical later Sui dynasty, which you created an article about. I'm not giving you permission. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
That is a commentary ("孝女:" = commentary of) the book during Later Sui era. Or study of the book in the era of Hou Sui II. Please give the permission and help me review Later Sui Article.ADHZ07111989 (talk) 15:39, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- I gave him a final warning, basically "if you make one more edit in this subject, you're permablocked". Either this will get him into some other field (not likely, I understand), or get him off the site (slightly less unlikely), or result in the block. I'm just not fond of waiting for long discussions or blocking people who haven't violated some bright line, whether troll-or-incompetent people like this guy, or spam-only-accounts, or vandal-only accounts, etc. Nyttend (talk) 20:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! Robert McClenon (talk) 04:00, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Spelling
"Hi, I did not misspell my own name, there's just not a P anywhere in there!" I know. The spelling without a 'p' is, among other things, the French spelling. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
CMT
I see that you have described your opinion about the current ongoing RFC. To me, it will be more helpful if you would make your preferred change and self revert, we will know that how this will look like. Bladesmulti (talk) 03:56, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- I'll try to do that tomorrow. Only up at the moment while I let the ozone air out of my room. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- [1] was a nice version and I will prefer it. We can copy most of that content to the main pages of those cited individuals, but only if there is no indication of their Christ myth theories on their main pages. Sounds okay? Bladesmulti (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Misunderstanding
Hi Ian, sorry about the misunderstanding. I wanted to do the same you did. Something went wrong when I reverted. Warning was not meant for you. --AmritasyaPutraT 06:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
- No worries, as long as it was a mistake. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Here's a Poinsettia
I grew it just for you (you pl., not creepy). μηδείς (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Need to update your introductory text
I notice in a recent greeting which you made to a new user that you included the following words for a link to WP:VERIFIABILITY: "Truth" is not the criteria for inclusion, verifiability is. — This is actually incorrect, the slogan of "Verifiability Not Truth" is no longer part of policy. Quoting Jimmy Wales on the matter: "Everyone who thinks it is better to have an error in Wikipedia rather than correct information is always wrong at all times. There is nothing more important than getting it right. I'm glad that we're finally rid of the "verifiability, not truth" nonsense - but it's going to take a while before people really fully grasp what that means." (Sept. 25, 2012). I would suggest the following wording for your link to WP:VERIFIABILITY: "It is imperative that information added to Wikipedia be accurate and verifiable." Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 17:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- I have "truth" in scare quotes due to the number of new editors who insist that truth trumps verifiability. I'll change it to "Truth" is not the only criteria for inclusion, verifiability is also required. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Edit warring on Wusun
As a recent contributor to the article Wusun, this ongoing discussion might interest you. By the way thanks for informing me about the recent allegations against me on ANI. Regards. Krakkos (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks
Just wanted to stop by and say thank you for taking the time at ANI to trudge through a pile of diffs to gain a clearer picture of the situation. Rather than muddy the waters by adding my own clarifications, I think I'll just let your comments stand as my defense. It is an imperfect summary, but good enough. There is one part of your comment that you may wish to revist, however: "As for LM2000 ... Is he a single purpose account? Hardly. Does calling him a single purpose account border on a personal attack? Possibly." I believe the original poster was accusing Jonotrain, not LM2000, of being a single-purpose-account. Anyway, thank you for putting in the time and effort. Best regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- No problem, and I've now struck that portion. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Attacks
Sir, if I may, I apologize for "attacking" on the article [[2]] page, I will repost my comment, with out any personal attacks but rather reference only to the people important to the article. --Kaptinavenger (talk) 01:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- p.s. the user @NeilN: has been hat-ing and tag teaming with at least one other Wikipedia administrator, I believe this is WP:GAME and WP:BITE. It looks like the neat hat tricks'n deletes are attempts to silence views that are inconsistent with NeilN's POV. I am a Christian, I suspect him and they are not. An example of N's bigoted perspective comes from NeilN's own words "You know no one will take your exhortations seriously when you state you believe in creation not evolution.". The answer I got when Asked if a Dictionary is a good Ref. though not the first of many unanswered questions. Now, I do not agree with his point of view, but, I could use some help, if a comment only. Yours has been and would be Appreciated. --Kaptinavenger (talk) 01:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not who you should be apologizing to, and it had nothing to do with attacking an article, but an individual. I'm a Christian as well, but I can't condemn NeiLN's actions. He's following some site guidelines and policies I'm going to leave a summary of on your page in just a sec. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:00, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- Although Kaptinavenger is indefinitely blocked I dislike leaving his accusation unanswered. In a prior post I stated, '"This user believes in creation not evolution" is fine for a userbox but bringing that notion onto talk pages wastes your time and more importantly, the time of those editors who have to correct you.' What a user personally believes matter little to me, but these personal beliefs should be kept out of article content discussion. --NeilN talk to me 04:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks!
For your great work on the Corona del Mar High page. Well done! --Dalton D. Hird 04:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Tirgil34 SPI
This message has been sent to you to inform you that a case involving Tirgil34 has been filed at SPI, and it has come to my knowledge that you may have prior history with this user. As such, your input may assist with the case. That case can be found at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34. Krakkos (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Chnuphis
I happened to see your remark about Chnuphis. As a casual sideline to my article work, I've been trying to understand the cryptic Greco-Egyptian deities like Abrasax and Chnoubis. Is Chnuphis yet another variant spelling of Chnoubis, or what? A. Parrot (talk) 04:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, yes. He shows up in pseudo-Hermes Trismegistus's "Le Livré Sacre sur les Décans"; his entry reads:
16. Troisième décan. -- Celui-ci a pour nom Chnouphos et pour forme deux visages de femme détournés l'un de l'autre, dont l'un (porte) un petit chapeau et l'autre un diadème. Il a le cou entouré de dragons. Toute le poitrine (le torse?) est posée sur un socle. Il régit la rate. Grave-le donc tel qu'il est sur la pierre (appelée) euchaïte, et, plaçant au-dessous la plante (appelée) sphérite, renferme dans ce que tu voudras et porte (sur toi). C'est un bien-heureux secours.
C.E. Ruelle, Revue de Philologie, October 1908, p.259-260
- I'm seeing him in the glossary for Hans Dieter Betz's edition of the Greek Magical Papyri, which says he's a combination of Khnum, "Kneph, and the star KNM" (which I can only assume is the decan Knum). Otherwise, just a name that shows up in a bunch of spells.
- I've been reading Attilio Mastrocinque's From Jewish Magic to Gnosticism, which has at least a chapter or two on him, but I haven't gotten that far yet. I'm pretty sure I (we?) will be able to at least flesh out his article with those two sources. (Huh, he also turns up in Budge's "Amulets and Superstitions".)
- Charles William King's The Gnostics and their Remains has some stuff on Chnuphis, is free, and was the best possible work for it's time... But about the only Gnostic scriptures King had access to was Pistis Sophia, and he was way too ready to:
- assume immediate Buddhist origins (instead of distant and slow diffusion),
- make its relationship with Kabbalah an one-way dependency (even while seeing the evidence that the two evolved side-by-side),
- proclaim the Templar heresy, the Illuminati, Rosicrucians, and Freemasonry as survivals of underground Gnosticism instead of revivals (such that I have to assume he was a Catholic or Theosophist).
- But, his book is free. AFAIK, Chnuphis is otherwise not an especially textual creature, usually appearing on amulets and gems (as the lion-headed serpent). Anyway, I need to turn in. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- I doubt I'll be able to help much in writing an article on Chnoubis/Chnuphis, but I can point out some more sources I've found online, mainly related to Kneph. I'm trying to figure out if Kneph is a concept distinct enough from Amun Kematef/Kamutef to warrant his own article. The Egyptologist David Klotz used Kneph as the title of his Ph.D. dissertation on the Roman-era worship of Amun, which made me think the Kneph article might one day be merged with a rewritten Amun article. (If I remember correctly, Caesar in the City of Amun is an expanded version of that dissertation.)
- On the other hand, the sources I found today suggest Kneph had a bigger presence in Greco-Egyptian magic than I realized, and he seems to blur together with Chnoubis a lot. There's "Κμηφ: Ein verkannter Gott" by Heinz J. Thissen, Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 1996 (available on JSTOR), though of course it's of limited use if you don't know German. One of the studies in Alchemical Traditions: From Antiquity to the Avant-Garde (which I don't have but can preview through Google) talks some about the connections between Kneph and the forms of Amun. The book may be iffy as an RS, as it seems to be written by the sort of people who blur the line between scholars and enthusiasts of alchemy, but it does draw on a lot of scholarly works, including "Iamblichus' Egyptian Neoplatonic Theology in De Mysteriis. Kneph/Chnoubis/etc. got around a lot. Magic gems, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, astrology, alchemy, and Iamblichus; it's like ancient esotericism bingo. A. Parrot (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- The University of Cologne was kind enough to host a PDf of Thissen's Κμηφ. I would not claim to know German in a job interview, but can make eyes-or-arse enough to work with it. Cheak's Alchemical Traditions is from a "spiritual" publisher, but sometimes those are on the scholar end of the spectrum. I'll have to settle for Google books preview for now, but Clark's Iamblichus fell off the back of a truck.
- I probably won't expand the article today (I did that work on the decans because it relates to a Role-playing game I'm also working on), but thanks for bringing up those sources. I will go on ahead and dump them at the talk page (... huh, I already did start some work on the article before). Ian.thomson (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- On the other hand, the sources I found today suggest Kneph had a bigger presence in Greco-Egyptian magic than I realized, and he seems to blur together with Chnoubis a lot. There's "Κμηφ: Ein verkannter Gott" by Heinz J. Thissen, Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 1996 (available on JSTOR), though of course it's of limited use if you don't know German. One of the studies in Alchemical Traditions: From Antiquity to the Avant-Garde (which I don't have but can preview through Google) talks some about the connections between Kneph and the forms of Amun. The book may be iffy as an RS, as it seems to be written by the sort of people who blur the line between scholars and enthusiasts of alchemy, but it does draw on a lot of scholarly works, including "Iamblichus' Egyptian Neoplatonic Theology in De Mysteriis. Kneph/Chnoubis/etc. got around a lot. Magic gems, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, astrology, alchemy, and Iamblichus; it's like ancient esotericism bingo. A. Parrot (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I apologize
I apologize for calling him/her a "prick". I have edited the original message I sent, and rather called him/her very unreasonable instead. I understand I shouldn't call him/her anything mean, it just that I was really annoyed that's all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.126.201.55 (talk) 00:11, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Maliakeo
It looks like there may be a bit of a centralisation at User talk:Peridon#Malia keo. —George8211 / T 22:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
- Eh, she's been blocked, and I'm not foreseeing an unblock. Thanks for letting me know, though. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks
You didn't fully sign your comment at ani— Preceding unsigned comment added by Medeis (talk • contribs)
Dear Ian, I'm not sure if I'm doing this right. I'm new, but IMHO a valuable editor to Wikepedia in my areas of interest, one of which is a narrow subset of religion, related to the RPCNA and Reformed and Covenant Theology. I like most of the Wikipedia rules, but there are a number of substantial ambiguities, which create problems. For example, what is mainstream changes, and there is constantly a fight to change or be added to the mainstream by various forces/factions. Another is that while I agree with sources, truth should not be de-emphasized, as it is stated, but rather that we should seek verifiable truth (both from mainstream and non-mainstream sources. I could talk much, much more on this, and may, point-by-point, someday, in my copious free time - ha!
I don't understand your position (are you employed by Wikipedia, is anyone?), nor do I know why your name appeared on my "talk page", or precisely what a "talk page" is or is supposed to accomplish.
I'd also like to note that there is a category of evidence that I did not find (admittedly, there are volumes of information, so I may have missed it) in the introductory material to Wikipedia editing, and that is the area of 'judicial notice' (you might gather that I have a legal education). Perhaps that is what the definition of "mainstream" should be - prominent enough in culture that a judge would take judicial notice of it - evolution wouldn't qualify, but as it was in the Scopes trial, would have to be adequately established; creation would likewise require evidence in a courtroom, but a judge would be unlikely to take judicial notice of one or the other, therefore they could both be "mainstream", rather than defining with really vague ideas like the perception of the majority.
That said, most of the edits I've made would be recognized by a judge under judicial notice, either as undisputed by society (another possible less-vague definintion for "mainstream) (e.g., most grammar - some disputed). Others (only to a very small extent, such as that a citation should be given for changing wording to assert a position held by an institution) should have citations and I have not done so, due to my ingnorance of these guidelines and lack of time, though I could very easily document (e.g., quickly, "from a dozen sources online..."), but have not yet taken the time, as I knew how obvious and easy they would be, and I didn't realize that was the prime directive (I read your personal intro, and we have been raised in similar eras) of Wikipedia.
Your personal assistance in being a good editor here is appreciated. As it isn't paying, but I am keenly interested in objective journalism and truth, and as I recognized the importance of the reach of Wikepedia, I just do this as I go, as I know, so to speak. I'd love to get more involved as time goes on, and hopefully my own personal career shifts toward being a writer, if I can find good help in honing my skills here.
One particular question I already have, is how can I see the audit trail of an article? Who did I edit? Did someone edit me?
Best Regards Odomjm (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- What is popular changes, but mainstream academia (i.e. works from reputable publishing companies such as Brill publishers, or Oxford University Press) tend to be remain pretty steady (and if everyone at Oxford completely lost their minds tomorrow, the work published up to that point would still be reliable).
- The sources cited here state that most scholars attribute Revelation to someone after John the Apostle, separating John the Apostle and John of Patmos. Furthermore, nothing in Revelation actually states that that John was the Apostle. That is why I reverted your edit for under WP:GEVAL ("creating false balance"). The sources given simply do not support presenting the two views as equal in academic support.
- See also WP:LEGAL, WP:Credentials are irrelevant, and WP:Ignore all credentials. Just a heads up, but language that could be perceived as a legal threat will result in a block.
- Your contributions can be seen at Special:Contributions/Odomjm. An article's history can be seen by clicking the "view history" button, which is between the edit button and the search bar.
- Also, no one works for Wikipedia, it's volunteer-run. Authority comes from policies and guidelines that represent the consensus of the site's users. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstand Odomjm partly. See judicial notice; I believe he's simply saying that certain things are so widely accepted that they'd even be treated as givens in a legal case. If that's the case, he's nowhere near to making a legal threat. Several things that I see in Odomjm's edits, including his legal education and his career shifting toward being a writer, make me suspect that he's someone I know in real life; I'll email my acquaintance, as if I'm right in this identification, it will probably be easier to discuss this off-wiki. If not, well, we're not going to suffer. Nyttend (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- No, I understood that there was no legal threat, just letting him know to be careful using any legal language. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstand Odomjm partly. See judicial notice; I believe he's simply saying that certain things are so widely accepted that they'd even be treated as givens in a legal case. If that's the case, he's nowhere near to making a legal threat. Several things that I see in Odomjm's edits, including his legal education and his career shifting toward being a writer, make me suspect that he's someone I know in real life; I'll email my acquaintance, as if I'm right in this identification, it will probably be easier to discuss this off-wiki. If not, well, we're not going to suffer. Nyttend (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Infobox Improvement
I just noticed that Sophie Hunter has notable relatives and this should be reflected in her infobox. All sources are in the family family section of the page. If you may be so kind to copy-paste this to the page, I would be very grateful and it would be a big improvement to her page.
|family =
- Michael Gow
- (maternal grandfather)
- J. E. B. Seely
- (maternal great-grandfather)
- Timothy Carlton
- (father-in-law)
- Wanda Ventham
- (mother-in-law)
There should also be an "Education" parameter aside from the already indicated "Alma Mater" as she went to St. Paul's Girls' School which is a notable school in the UK. I do hope you can include that too. THANKS! Keep up the good work on Wiki! 213.164.22.2 (talk) 06:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
regarding zeitgeist movies and will work for free
Was just about to provide the youtube link to will work for free movie and their facebook page would that suffice as sufficient links?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carloworeo (talk • contribs)
- Not really. More details on your page. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
February 2015
Hello, I'm ToonLucas22. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:Itsonthewebsite93 that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ToonLucas22 (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- My hope in telling the (now-blocked) user to "grow up and quit vandalizing articles" was to draw him off the article onto the talk page, or else shame them into stopping completely. I agree that I was commenting on an editor (based on their actions) and not only on their edits, but I do not believe that it amounted to a personal attack because I was accurately describing their behavior and the maturity thereof. I will grant that the comment as not perfectly civil, however. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
108 holy names
it is from http://www.drikpanchang.com/hindu-names/goddesses/parvati/mahavidya/mahavidya-names-collection.html it is a common information and must for wikipedia. if you mind - then move it to wiki-source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.67.98.183 (talk) 20:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC) why did you deleted it? if you are atheists, then you will go to hell for not believing in holy Gods and not prying to them with mantras like these! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.67.98.183 (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- Jesus leaves me unafraid of hell and apathetic toward mantras. Peddle your sectarianism elsewhere. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
i don't mind your jesus, but if you believe in your god - then don't disrespect other Gods. you want to go to yahweh after death - then go. why you ban other gods!? you want holy war? if you are not afraid of hell - i'll tell you - your moses - is also punishable to go to hell, because he allowed to eat holy cows. Lord Caitanya told this. So you will go to hell. there are hundreds of thousands of hellish planets - you will be there for eating meat and for opposing mantras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.67.98.183 (talk) 20:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- You're the one pushing your religion on others. You are the one trying to engage in "holy" war. When I die, whereever I end up, I'll save you a seat. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:27, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
i am not responsible for your bad karma- you'll end up in hell because it is your karma, not mine. everyone is responsible for his own karma, not others, but as you are trying to take false responsibility by offending other religious feelings - by pushing your deletionist philosophy - you are showing your self as atheist - at least within my religion. if you want to delete something and believe jesus - then go and delete atheistic portal on wikipedia - then it will be better for you. but instead of fighting with atheists you fight with vedic prayers - who the hell are you ? go delete some articles about Lenin, Mao, Marx, Engels, Darwin, Richard Dawkins and similar atheists - then maybe you will make wiki better if you are deletionist. i tell you - no such thing as copyright vio. I realized when I have bough genuine Ms Windows from bill gates. do you know that he is a billionaire and supports gays? so he will go to hell for that yes! and he is pushing laws of his company - that we must not be pirates etc. but himself he stole from God! YES! He stole ideas from buddhist and a little Hare Krishna Steve Jobs. So this is politics and business. and seems to be like them. you are acting like MARX: YOU ARE ACTING NOW LIKE LENIN. LENIN ORDERED TO KILL AS MANY SAINTS AS POSSIBLE - SO NOW YOU ARE KILLING GODS by saing that to pray God - one must pay. HEY! do you pay money for worshipping your jesus in church? I don't believe you! if you think that you can buy your place in heaven - by paying for prayers in church - if you think like bill gates - that if you have billions - then you can buy your place in heaven i can tell you - you are in hell! yes you will be there because you are against freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Marx was a demon who was saying that - "religion must be removed from politics", "atheism must be there instead". so what are you doing to make sanatana-dharama- eternal religion - grow in politics? chrisitanity is not sanatana-dharma, yahweh is not eternal god, yahweh is just some small demigod, from zoroastrian religin, which took that from Vedas - Asura (demon) became ahura-mazda - and it because yahweh. so your christianity is a worship of satan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.67.98.183 (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- As hateful as you are and as hateful as you assume the world has to be, I would have no interest in joining your religion. I gladly remove sectarian additions by atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Wiccans... I remove anything that is not encyclopedic.
- I would be happy to kill any god that would try to oppress me through worship. I worship mine out of the belief that He sought to liberate us from religious laws (dharma), accepted being killed, forgave His killers, exploited His death to benefit others (becoming a sacrifice on behalf of humanity, eliminating karma from the equation), and came back for more.
- Dilige et quod vis fac. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Policy On Links
If you consider links to my site www.nottingham21.co.uk not to be appropriate, (All Saints Church, Nottingham Station etc), then why do you allow links to Google Street View to remain ? My Site shows pictures of areas that Street View can't get to and gives a far better idea of a building. Regards, Ray Teece
Reply to nottingham21@btinternet.com 23:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- Google street views are a professional site. Your site is, per your admission, a personal site. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
What difference does that make ??? Look at the pictures on say Nottingham Railway Station and you will find that my pictures are far better and more comprehensive than anything you can see on Street View. Google just drive past in a car, I spend time trying to capture a building in as much detail as I can. Regards, Ray Teece 86.152.115.123 (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- As was already explained, WP:ELNO prohibits personal sites. That is because Wikipedia is not a directory. It is simpler to simply restrict all personal sites than get into arguments over which personal sites are better than others. Professional sites also have at least a reputation at stake, and so have quality control.
- As I have already explained on your talk page: it has nothing to do with your site or its merits. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
ANI discussion
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Krakkos (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Deleted question
That was a legitimate question I posted on the humanities reference desk. I honestly have no idea how that stumble upon link got there. Please put the question back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohyeahstormtroopers6 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- You're welcome to restore or re-ask the question yourself without adding the link. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
WorldCreaterFighter
Hi, i noticed that you've addressed the problematic editor WorldCreaterFighter (talk · contribs) at WP:ANI. WorldCreaterFighter is currently under investigation as a sock of Tirgil34 (talk · contribs), and i recommend you make a contribution to the investigation if you have some relevant evidence. Krakkos (talk) 18:00, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I do, sorry. My main focus with WCF is that he keeps plagiarizing sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
(Moved from archive)
I had rephrased the Huns sentence. so it's not copryright material, I just forgotten. WorldCreaterFighter (talk) 15.00, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- If remembering to not steal text from sources you could forget, you probably shouldn't be editing here. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Concerning You Know Who
So is you-know-who been topic-banned?--Mr Fink (talk) 02:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)