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*I have been thinking on this issue since I moved the page. Here are my thoughts, Human rights abuses in Kashmir should be the parent article with a brief overview of all the different sections, then we have sub articles for each region. So we should move this back to Human rights abuses in J&K, there are already an article for abuses in not so free Kashmir and I am willing to write stubs for Gilgat and the Chinese administered regions. I will ask an admin to move the article back and we can expand this one to include a bit of everything, thoughts? [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 14:33, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
*I have been thinking on this issue since I moved the page. Here are my thoughts, Human rights abuses in Kashmir should be the parent article with a brief overview of all the different sections, then we have sub articles for each region. So we should move this back to Human rights abuses in J&K, there are already an article for abuses in not so free Kashmir and I am willing to write stubs for Gilgat and the Chinese administered regions. I will ask an admin to move the article back and we can expand this one to include a bit of everything, thoughts? [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 14:33, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*Which is now done, this should prevent further argument over what goes were. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 14:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
*Which is now done, this should prevent further argument over what goes were. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 14:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC) |
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== Wrong statement atributed to source == |
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One of the statements in the lede said: "The Indian security forces have killed more Kashmiri civilians as compared to human rights abuses which occurred at the hands of rebels.", and cited it to [http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-09-07/india/28239581_1_crpf-personnel-security-forces-afspa this] source, which in fact clearly states that this has not been the case in general, and happened for the first time only in 2010. Relevant quotations from the source: |
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"For the first time since insurgency started in Jammu and Kashmir in the late 80s, more civilians have been killed by security forces than terrorists." |
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"Even in 2008, when the Amarnath land agitation hit both Jammu and Kashmir regions, out of the total of 147 civilians killed in the year only 57 died in actions by security forces. The rest of the killings, 90, were in terrorist actions." |
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I have therefore removed the offending unsourced statement. [[User:Piyush Sriva|Piyush]] ([[User talk:Piyush Sriva|talk]]) 10:35, 9 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Denials
On Indian denials, my opinion is that abuse by security forces, state and central including army, is so well documented that adding denials would be being non-neutral in the effort to be neutral. So I have removed denial section. Also wikileaks has not been removed it has been merely relocated. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 18:53, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
This article should go into subsection of this article (with main article nav link on top) instead of just see also per WP:SUMMARY. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support a merger, the other article is fubar. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Reference 20 about kashmir pandits and Pakistan
I have noticed the reference used when referring to ethnig cleansing of hindus and sikhs, the final reference mentions pakistan. My main concern is the credibility of the source I have checked the book on Google books and if you scroll to page 146 the author says "The 1947 unprovoked aggression did not give the desired results to Pakistan in it's nefarious design to annex the region by brute force. Their plans were foiled by the Indian armed forces, vehemently supported by a rock-combine of peace-loving Muslims and Hindus, under local leadership, with their impenetrable will to resist the onslaught. But the Pakistan war mongers rose again" This is on Page. 146
The reference is clearly biased, and doesn't seem to be a factual or unbiased news report, but just the opinion of one man, I feel that is not a credible reference when referring to Pakistan and is worth removing. (Wiki id2(talk) 17:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC))
- Have you already removed this? Ref 20 currently points to Burning Books and Leveling Libraries: Extremist Violence and Cultural Destruction and a search for "The 1947 unprovoked aggression" gives no results in that source Darkness Shines (talk) 23:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- When I wrote the thing it was ref 20 it's now moved down to ref 22. The book is by M.K. Haw: Kashmir Education, culture and science society.
When you click on the link, in the left side bar of the webpage search Pakistan, and on Page 146 you will see what I've mentioned above (Wiki id2(talk) 21:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC))
- Haw is an editor, the chapter was written by S. Bhatt. The publisher is not an academic one, and does not even have a website. The Kashmir Education, culture and science society does not list this book s one of their publications either[1] and to be honest a source from there would be a tad biased in my opinion. I would say it is not good for statements of fact and personally I would remove it. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that the references quoted for the ethnic cleansing of hindus and sikhs are biased and quite exaggerated. For example, the number of kashmiri pandits killed is 219 as per government reports and 399 as per the local pandit organisation KPSS which is far less and not even close to numbers mentioned in these references. [2][3][4][5]. I advocate removal of these references and statements there from.Truth4all (talk) 09:30, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Title
The original title for this article was the right one covering the content. There's already an article covering AJK so that title should be retained. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Wikireader, there's no "entire state" of J&K controlled by the three nations... there's the whole Kashmir region and their own respective administrative areas within three states. The state can only be called as a whole while describing the region or while referring to the historical princely state which has its own article. The current issues are political and related to the countries in control and should have separate articles. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have been thinking on this issue since I moved the page. Here are my thoughts, Human rights abuses in Kashmir should be the parent article with a brief overview of all the different sections, then we have sub articles for each region. So we should move this back to Human rights abuses in J&K, there are already an article for abuses in not so free Kashmir and I am willing to write stubs for Gilgat and the Chinese administered regions. I will ask an admin to move the article back and we can expand this one to include a bit of everything, thoughts? Darkness Shines (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Which is now done, this should prevent further argument over what goes were. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Wrong statement atributed to source
One of the statements in the lede said: "The Indian security forces have killed more Kashmiri civilians as compared to human rights abuses which occurred at the hands of rebels.", and cited it to this source, which in fact clearly states that this has not been the case in general, and happened for the first time only in 2010. Relevant quotations from the source:
"For the first time since insurgency started in Jammu and Kashmir in the late 80s, more civilians have been killed by security forces than terrorists."
"Even in 2008, when the Amarnath land agitation hit both Jammu and Kashmir regions, out of the total of 147 civilians killed in the year only 57 died in actions by security forces. The rest of the killings, 90, were in terrorist actions."
I have therefore removed the offending unsourced statement. Piyush (talk) 10:35, 9 July 2012 (UTC)