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Since the concensus seems to be that the articles in question (all shown in [[Template:Sonic_characters]]) should be kept, but worked on, I think it's time that the Merge tags be removed and the relevent tags be added (I'll try the best I can), I personally have ideas for improvement in the articles, specially the [[Other villains in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)|Villains]] and [[Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)|Other characters]] articles, they need fan/media/other '''reception''' towards the chracters, elements adding to improve real world importance, and fan "cruft" removing, the size of each characters sections should be relevent to their part in the games as well as the amount of games that the appear in! Is there no Wikipedia Project page for Sonic Game articles, as there are many projects for smaller games? '''<span style="border: 1px solid #000000;">[[User:Doktor_Wilhelm|<span style="background: #00FF00; color: #000000;"> Doktor </span>]][[User:Doktor_Wilhelm|<span style="background: #FF00FF; color: #000000;"> Wilhelm </span>]]</span>''' 23:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC) |
Since the concensus seems to be that the articles in question (all shown in [[Template:Sonic_characters]]) should be kept, but worked on, I think it's time that the Merge tags be removed and the relevent tags be added (I'll try the best I can), I personally have ideas for improvement in the articles, specially the [[Other villains in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)|Villains]] and [[Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)|Other characters]] articles, they need fan/media/other '''reception''' towards the chracters, elements adding to improve real world importance, and fan "cruft" removing, the size of each characters sections should be relevent to their part in the games as well as the amount of games that the appear in! Is there no Wikipedia Project page for Sonic Game articles, as there are many projects for smaller games? '''<span style="border: 1px solid #000000;">[[User:Doktor_Wilhelm|<span style="background: #00FF00; color: #000000;"> Doktor </span>]][[User:Doktor_Wilhelm|<span style="background: #FF00FF; color: #000000;"> Wilhelm </span>]]</span>''' 23:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC) |
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Add Shade and the Dark Brotherhood?[[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|SLJCOAAATR 1]] ([[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|talk]]) 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC) |
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So, if NiGHTS, Amigo, and Aiai are allowed in this article...
Does that mean that Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi are considered Sonic characters too? magiciandude 00:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a little advice, take it or leave it.
This articles a little messy. I think it would probably be better if it was organised into sections. eg. Main Characters, Secondary characters, Minor characters and scrapped characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.233.210 (talk) 11:50, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm more in favor of the previous version, but I appreciate your contributions. -- POWERSLAVE 04:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
This led to an edit war, so I removed it.--Neofcon (talk) 20:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
NON SONIC
Shouldn't we add the whole cast from S.S.B.B. onto the non-Sonic section?-SLJCOAAATR
That would get a little cluttered best just leave it as it is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.227.10 (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Alright. But why are characters that made only 1,or 2,or 3 appearences in the main characters section?Everyone after the Chaotix should be moved to minor characters.-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.209.6.131 (talk) 20:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- The SSBB Chracters are not in a Sonic related game, Sonic is in a Mario related game! Doktor Wilhelm 21:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed it. Sonic APPEARS in a NINTENDO game. No way related to sonic games so they dont count.--Neofcon 21:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Villains
Where are all the villans is something I would like to ask, I would like to add my disaproval of this article and demand everything be changed back immideately! These articles were perfectly fine the way they were, and I have recently learned most of the one timers were intentionaly erased, which is pure vandalism! And I will not stand for it.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
Which no longer exists, try looking it up for yourself if you don't believe me.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
My guess would be that the person who did all this probably deleted it, I only managed to get back the Other characters list because I was watching it.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
- Yeah, I had a look (and brought it back), I think it's the same person removing it all. Doktor Wilhelm
It is His name is TTN, look on the history section and you'll probably find him.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
One game characters will no longer be covered, and I am working towards one list. Please just go along with it. Complaining and reverting will only prolong the inevitable. TTN (talk) 14:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Removed repeated article
Elements of this article (which is only a list, and as such should even be on here) were taken/repeated from Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games), I have removed them... Doktor Wilhelm 12:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge
None of the characters assert notability by including development and reception information. Unless that information is provided, these will be merged. I suggest Wikia if you would like to continue editing this kind of information. This is not a vote, so please remember that having more people than me will not help. TTN (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, and any descriptions from the other pieces of media will be merged to their correct lists, so you don't need to worry about that. TTN (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Please stop removing stuff until after it has been decided, as you keep doing with Other villains in Sonic the Hedgehog (games) and Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games), wait until the dicussion is over! Anyways, I believe the articles would do much better being merged, but your tactics and the article you keep replacing List of characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (games) are weak and really not a merger at all. Also my problems with the merger you are doing are that the first half of the article is nothing but links the other articles, and the rest are a few chracters, that you personally believe to be notable! If the articles are merged, also, it will end up being too long, that is one of the rasons it has been seperated into Other villains in Sonic the Hedgehog (games) and Other chracters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games), maybe any information could be merged into them two, with the main characters having their own articles, and List of characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (games) serving as a bridge between them all! Doktor Wilhelm 17:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I added some notability reasoning and other information to the article. Personally, I am against merging any minutely notable article which is not a stub. I know this is not a vote, but I would like to prevent the change of "in a list article, the section is bursting, so they make it it's own article. People like you question notability, OR, etc, and get it merged back. It overflows and is moved out again." It's fine as it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radman622 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Fictional characters should demonstrate real-world significance, per the fiction guideline, right? Is anyone disputing this? Most of the content on these various lists thus looks inappropriate for Wikipedia. Efforts to make an exhaustive guide to the Sonic universe should be done on some other wiki. Friday (talk) 17:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- as I said, I believe a merge could be of benefit, but no the way TNN is going about it! Cream the Rabbit, Blaze the Cat, Silver the Hedgehog, Rouge the Bat, Eggman Nega and Babylon Rogues could easily be merged with other articles: Villains and Other characters, , E-123 Omega should aslo be merged with E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog), Chaos (Sonic the Hedgehog) is as important a enemy as Doctor Robotnik and Chaotix should have any associated cracters merged into it and then it could even be merged into other character. Friday, what TNN is doing, doesn't help with anything to do with real-world significance, only with condencing the articles into one! Doktor Wilhelm 18:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- As I say (further ranting), there really is too many rambling articles on singular chracters (many of which TNN has singled out); and they should be trimed and seperated into Villains and Other characters, the Main characters that are notable enough to have their own articles should also be sorted out! That leaves two seperate articles for 'bit players' and however many seperate main chracter articles (how many are there of those anywayas?), and the article we are discussing on now should be used as a bridge for all Soinc the Hedgehog related chracters within the games, this would make the whole video game related articles better, of the Comic Book/other related articles I know nothing of though. but I'm sure they need tidying up! Doktor Wilhelm 19:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Even if those two lists are kept, the one game characters are going to be removed, so that leaves Nack in the enemies and a few in the "others." Nack would obviously be merged, leaving the only the one list. The single articles that are going to be merged would also be merged there, leaving us with the exact same situation with the exception of a different name. TTN (talk) 19:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- As I say (further ranting), there really is too many rambling articles on singular chracters (many of which TNN has singled out); and they should be trimed and seperated into Villains and Other characters, the Main characters that are notable enough to have their own articles should also be sorted out! That leaves two seperate articles for 'bit players' and however many seperate main chracter articles (how many are there of those anywayas?), and the article we are discussing on now should be used as a bridge for all Soinc the Hedgehog related chracters within the games, this would make the whole video game related articles better, of the Comic Book/other related articles I know nothing of though. but I'm sure they need tidying up! Doktor Wilhelm 19:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- How does Nack the Weasel survive anything, isn't he only in one game, while eggman nega is in two, so are the Babylon Rogues? and why do you want to remove one game chracters? Special if they are important to the development of the game, and it's reflection of the events in 'real life' that they mirror? I know you just want to remove all content, but just because there are Wikia, doesn't mean that mean that everything should be removed from wikipedia, otherwise anyhthing about Motor Cars should be in one article, includding all makes and models! and everything else about Cars should all be on a wikia! Doktor Wilhelm 20:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm only talking about the characters covered on that list, not the ones being merged. Nack has appeared in multiple games according to his list entry, so he is actually relevant. On the other hand, one game characters are part of only one game, so their description is completely redundant to the main article. That is different than cars, which for one thing are real objects, covered in real world documents. That argument is broken in more than one place. TTN (talk) 20:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- There are figures of chracters, real world objects, more real than most of the cars to most people! Anyways, there are enough chracters, 'bad' and 'good' to warrent having two seperate articles for other charcters, and not just one singular list! Unless you think, that the entire collection of articles for Sonic the Hedgehog video games and characters, should just be in one singular article? Doktor Wilhelm 20:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Figurines apply to the overall series rather than the specific characters. Unless you can find a lawsuit regarding single characters, they do not apply here. Again, all of the one game characters will be removed regardless of the outcome here. That leaves Nack and Nega as the only pure villains able to occupy the list (the other "villains" are more on the rival side or become reformed in the case of Chaos). Please stop jumping to such extremes as if they could possibly come true. It does not help you. TTN (talk) 20:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- There are figures of chracters, real world objects, more real than most of the cars to most people! Anyways, there are enough chracters, 'bad' and 'good' to warrent having two seperate articles for other charcters, and not just one singular list! Unless you think, that the entire collection of articles for Sonic the Hedgehog video games and characters, should just be in one singular article? Doktor Wilhelm 20:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm only talking about the characters covered on that list, not the ones being merged. Nack has appeared in multiple games according to his list entry, so he is actually relevant. On the other hand, one game characters are part of only one game, so their description is completely redundant to the main article. That is different than cars, which for one thing are real objects, covered in real world documents. That argument is broken in more than one place. TTN (talk) 20:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- How does Nack the Weasel survive anything, isn't he only in one game, while eggman nega is in two, so are the Babylon Rogues? and why do you want to remove one game chracters? Special if they are important to the development of the game, and it's reflection of the events in 'real life' that they mirror? I know you just want to remove all content, but just because there are Wikia, doesn't mean that mean that everything should be removed from wikipedia, otherwise anyhthing about Motor Cars should be in one article, includding all makes and models! and everything else about Cars should all be on a wikia! Doktor Wilhelm 20:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
One article per game sure seems reasonable to me. I could be convinced otherwise- if particular characters had sufficient coverage in reliable sources, outside the context of the game, it might be reasonable to have an article on the specific character. But, much of what we have here so far is inappropriate content. It would belong fine on a game guide, but not on Wikipedia. Friday (talk) 20:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- One character list per game? That doesn't really work out, as most of these games share core characters, while adding some that either go onto become regulars or only preside in the one game. The structure of one main list (this is how it'll look if you haven't seen it) to describe the recurring characters, while allowing the plot sections of the games to describe their actions and the one game characters is the best way to do it for this series. TTN (talk) 20:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well that may be true but what about that little word called 'overcrowding'? if some of the more frecuent charicters like Rouge, Cream and Blaze were to be mixed in with many other of the minors there would be just to much infomation cramped as tightly as possible and that is not what wikipedia is about, besides the Chaotix page is just fine as it is cause it is a list of charicters on its own and its got plenty of infomation to remain sepertate besides its works perfectly the way its is with the minor villains in one list, minor charicters in another, chaotix on another, Babylon may have only appeared in two games but is it unecasary to cram them together, besides is good to have the cast having their own page like Omega and Chaos, please stop merging it may seem good but its not organized and it laks all the proper infomation. Behellmorph (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
We'll be switching back to my format fairly soon; just so you know. TTN (talk) 14:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- And then we'll probably be switching back, rather soon awfterwards, just so you know! Doktor Wilhelm 14:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- As I have stated, and I will continue to state, this information does not belong here, and it will not stay here. I really do encourage you to utilize Wikia, as it will be the only place for this information eventually. Though, you may end up dragging this out for over a month. Hopefully, I can actually get some people from the video game project to comment later. TTN (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think you, yourself, would benifit from a Wikia. then you may remove any and all content, to your hearts desire! If everything is to be condenced down, it must be done well, something you are not doing! Doktor Wilhelm 15:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'll have to agree with TTN, the characters are no where near notable. May as well merge them into this article until real world sources can be found and placed on each of them. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think you, yourself, would benifit from a Wikia. then you may remove any and all content, to your hearts desire! If everything is to be condenced down, it must be done well, something you are not doing! Doktor Wilhelm 15:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- As I have stated, and I will continue to state, this information does not belong here, and it will not stay here. I really do encourage you to utilize Wikia, as it will be the only place for this information eventually. Though, you may end up dragging this out for over a month. Hopefully, I can actually get some people from the video game project to comment later. TTN (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
It displeases me to note that you people are so busy ranting about your cruft and your merges that you don't catch or revert vandalism on the page and another. This causes me to question whether or not you have whats best for the articles and Wikipedia in mind, or whether your on a merge and delete rampage. I agree that Omega COULD be merged to E-series, but honestly, some of you sound like you're suggesting merging all the articles in to one big SONIC CHARACTERS article. This is neither neccessary or wanted. User:Radman622 07:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Is this a joke? Rouge is one of the main characters and has a main Role in every game she is in. If Cream, who is becoming the next Omochao, has her own article than Rouge should have her own to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.248.156 (talk) 18:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
You cant do this people. Rouge, Blaze and Silver all deserve articles, and there is not enough room to put their info on this page. This has been suggested by some wiki-Nazi who wants to get rid of these characters, well guess what, not going to happen.--Super Badnik (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree here, but a Wiki Nazi is a little extreme. All characters mentioned in your list of merges should be kept as single articles. I mean, Transformers as an example has a single article for each of their characters, and their are a lot of characters. Sonic only has very few characters and the most notable ones (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman, Shadow, Cream, Rouge, Blaze, Silver) should all have their own articles for being main characters as well as recurring characters. Let's not turn this into a war. Evilgidgit (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
So TTN, you say "We'll be switching back to my format fairly soon; just so you know". Well then i would like to reply; Oh no we wont! We wont unless a consensus is reached among us editors to do so. You have no right do so by yourself if everyone else disagrees. And as others have pointed out, there are many franchises with far more individual character pages than the Sonic franchise. So i dare say that atleast Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman, Shadow, Metal Sonic, Cream, Blaze, Silver and the Chaotix are certainly entitled to the individual pages they have now. And i think most of the regular editors of those articles agrees. Rattis1 (talk) 21:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I would say leave this article as is as(Chaotix). Merging it with other info just leaves it in a location where it won't fit properly. They aren't villains, and they aren't necessarily allies of Sonic. Even if this got merged with "Other Characters", as a group and as displayed in the comics, this group would still deserve a special mention anyways given their significant importance.Reinoe (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
We shall be keeping the articles
Since the concensus seems to be that the articles in question (all shown in Template:Sonic_characters) should be kept, but worked on, I think it's time that the Merge tags be removed and the relevent tags be added (I'll try the best I can), I personally have ideas for improvement in the articles, specially the Villains and Other characters articles, they need fan/media/other reception towards the chracters, elements adding to improve real world importance, and fan "cruft" removing, the size of each characters sections should be relevent to their part in the games as well as the amount of games that the appear in! Is there no Wikipedia Project page for Sonic Game articles, as there are many projects for smaller games? Doktor Wilhelm 23:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Can we?
Add Shade and the Dark Brotherhood?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)