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::::::The worst part is, I never had an issue with TBeatty, she comes to MONGO's defense, but we do not even edit the same articles. I guess I can say that til I am blue in the face however. --[[User:SevenOfDiamonds|SevenOfDiamonds]] 19:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC) |
::::::The worst part is, I never had an issue with TBeatty, she comes to MONGO's defense, but we do not even edit the same articles. I guess I can say that til I am blue in the face however. --[[User:SevenOfDiamonds|SevenOfDiamonds]] 19:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Arbitrators active on this case
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Proposed decisions by Kirill
They seem fair to me. ViridaeTalk 04:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, boiled down a lot of stuff into just a few phrases. --Rocksanddirt 16:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, they look fine and seem to be acceptable to all parties. Melsaran (talk) 16:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Not that I have a vote I am sure. But I find it appropriate as it assures equal protection for both myself and MONGO from each of our perceived issues. --SevenOfDiamonds 18:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Who is he a sockpuppet of then?
Question directed at FloNight, you said "Obvious was a sockpuppet. Getting the who wrong is the aim of the sock. Seems clear to me now who it is." Who is it then? (this is Kwsn on a lab computer from my school, not going to log in here. I'll verify when I get back to my normal computer if needed.) 137.104.170.8 19:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- The evidence presented alleges that he's a sockpuppet of User:NuclearUmpf. Chaz Beckett 19:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- The same people also allege that Rex is also Nuclear, and myself at that, and Checkuser stated Rex and Zer0 were not the same person. Interesting, like I state, everything but the kitchen sink, even if none of it makes sense. How can I be Rex and Nuclear and zer0 and not be Rex? More questions than answers it seems, but no one seems to care. Also Flonight ignoring that all of the RFCU's were filed by MONGO's admitted information is a bit odd. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I understand that, but the way she worded it gives me the impression it could be someone other than Nuke. All I'm asking for is confirmation here. 137.104.170.8 19:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
This just in. I am even more people apparently. [1] --SevenOfDiamonds 20:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Here are some more people: GATXER, Ipankonin. I wonder who else. The total list for those not keeping score: Gaxter, Ipankonin, Lovelight, Rex, zer0, Nuclear, Giovanni, Bmedley Sutler, Fairness, Rootology.--SevenOfDiamonds 20:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- It came back as unrelated. SoD
is NOTmay not be Nuke or zer0 Kwsn(Ni!) 01:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)- You may or may not be correct (I'll pretend I haven't made up my mind), but your reasoning is flawed. Both of those accounts are too old to be checkusered. Picaroon (t) 01:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe, but the established IP that nuke and zer0 used was also included in the request, the CU may have checked that. Kwsn(Ni!) 01:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia doesn't have records as far back as when Nuclear or Zer0 last edited. The "unrelated" means that GAXTER and the other one are unrelated to SevenOfDiamonds. Due to technical limitations, there can't be any conclusions found with checkuser, re: SevenOfDiamonds and Nuclear/Zer0. --Aude (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Also, simply looking at GAXTER and the other listed user's contributions, to me they are obviously unrelated. Much different editing behavior. IMHO, checkuser really was not needed to determine that. But, I didn't want to interfere with this RFCU. --Aude (talk) 01:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- An IP was provided that you seem to be ignoring. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Also, simply looking at GAXTER and the other listed user's contributions, to me they are obviously unrelated. Much different editing behavior. IMHO, checkuser really was not needed to determine that. But, I didn't want to interfere with this RFCU. --Aude (talk) 01:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Assuming that SOD is Nuclear/Zero, it's extremely unlikely he would have continued using the same IP. SOD has already demonstrated he's knowledgeable about IP addresses in NYC and therefore wouldn't use an IP that had been previously used by Nuclear. The point is that the CheckUser results are virtually useless in proving or disproving any link between SOD and Nuclear/Zero. At a minimum, they absolutely do not support your statement that "SoD is NOT Nuke or zer0. Chaz Beckett 01:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Its good to know you are still ignoring that zer0 was found not to be Rex, yet the people accusing me of being zer0 also accuse me of being rex. That leaves a bit of an issue, does it not? Just to further note, if there was an IP as noted that did belong to zer0, then the information that has been lacking has been provided and checked. Dismissal of this is not to be taken lightly. So what are we talking about here? IP does not match, no big deal, topics do not match, no big deal, interests do not match, who cares, behavior does not match, its ok we do not need that either. They both edit in NYC ... they both misspell words sometimes. It is good to know the indepth research into the topic. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- To remove speculation laid out above. Time Warner does not let you choose your IP, it is provided via DHCP. I would not have any control over which IP is assigned to me. Stating I would not use any IP that was used by Nuclear, would insinuate its even in the control of the person the IP was assigned to. Which it is not. Please do not make incorrect statements if you are not aware of basic networking issues. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Its good to know you are still ignoring that zer0 was found not to be Rex, yet the people accusing me of being zer0 also accuse me of being rex. That leaves a bit of an issue, does it not? Just to further note, if there was an IP as noted that did belong to zer0, then the information that has been lacking has been provided and checked. Dismissal of this is not to be taken lightly. So what are we talking about here? IP does not match, no big deal, topics do not match, no big deal, interests do not match, who cares, behavior does not match, its ok we do not need that either. They both edit in NYC ... they both misspell words sometimes. It is good to know the indepth research into the topic. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Wikipedia doesn't have records as far back as when Nuclear or Zer0 last edited. The "unrelated" means that GAXTER and the other one are unrelated to SevenOfDiamonds. Due to technical limitations, there can't be any conclusions found with checkuser, re: SevenOfDiamonds and Nuclear/Zer0. --Aude (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe, but the established IP that nuke and zer0 used was also included in the request, the CU may have checked that. Kwsn(Ni!) 01:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- You may or may not be correct (I'll pretend I haven't made up my mind), but your reasoning is flawed. Both of those accounts are too old to be checkusered. Picaroon (t) 01:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- It came back as unrelated. SoD
(unindent) ok, fine, I retract my statement. Also, you don't chose your IP unless you spoof it, and to spoof it constantly is sort of, weird. Kwsn(Ni!) 02:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- A spoofed IP also does not trace back, you can have Arbcom/Checkuser people ping my IP as they please. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- They would also most likely haev access to my OS type and would be able to see I am not a linux user, you cannot spoof in windows correctly in windows to a server responding directly to you for information, or else the information would never get back to your correct PC. Its only good for one way communication. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I think the explanation is much simpler than IP spoofing. SOD mentioned that he recently moved [2] and your IP will obviously change if you switch locations or ISPs. Chaz Beckett 11:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Except that the IP shown does not resolve to a state code. Very interesting, because all New York IP's do. Like I keep saying, if you are not aware of actual networking related issues, you really should not be attempting to thrown stones anywhere, at least ask, do not make false assumptions. I find it interesting you believe I moved, yet you do not believe anything else. I guess only accepting the parts that make you right is useful. I wonder what they call that? --SevenOfDiamonds 12:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm quite experienced with networking, thank you. What does it matter if the IP resolves to a state code. The topic was you changing IPs, so please don't starting dancing around the issue. Did you actually move? Or were you lying about this, just as you had previously lied about providing your former IP? Chaz Beckett 12:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- If all RR IP's resolve to a state code, ones in NYC at least. Then the IP presented by zer0 may not have even been from NYC. This game of accepting A and B from a sentence and not C is obsurd. You believe zero was a liar and a bad person, yet you believe everything he said, perhaps he was never in NYC? He did edit an article on Philadelphia, one of the most highly edited articles that he did edit.
- Did I move? yes a year ago, as I have stated already. Now here is your flaw pay attention to this part. zero live in NYC, Nuclear live in NYC, I live in NYC, this is what is being stated as facts. Since we all live in NYC, the IP's would resolve to our state code. zer0's did not resolve to the state code, we do not know Nuclears, and mine does ... So if we know Roadrunner tags NYC IP's by region and we are all in the region, why are not all the IP's tagged? Something for you to consider, one of the top edited articles by zero? Philadelphia Anti-Graffiti Network ... Philadelphia? Perhaps the person you are chasing after did not live in NYC, or moved out of New York City. --SevenOfDiamonds 12:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- So now you're employing the Chewbacca defense? Chaz Beckett 12:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes the chewbaca defense!!! All hail Star Wars, when you learn about how IP's work and can have a civil conversation let me know. Until then stop making accusations where you have no clue what you are talking about. --SevenOfDiamonds 12:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- So now you're employing the Chewbacca defense? Chaz Beckett 12:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm quite experienced with networking, thank you. What does it matter if the IP resolves to a state code. The topic was you changing IPs, so please don't starting dancing around the issue. Did you actually move? Or were you lying about this, just as you had previously lied about providing your former IP? Chaz Beckett 12:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- IP addresses do rotate on DHCP. I would also advise people to read Wikipedia:Civility and try and act maturely. Whether someone is a sockpuppet or not is not only determined by IP evidence, but behavioural evidence too, as one checkuser has said. --Solumeiras talk 12:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, apparently its nonsense to prove that a NYC editor would have NYC IP. --SevenOfDiamonds 12:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? Are you now claiming that you aren't from NYC or Nuclear isn't from NYC? Can you please clarify your statement. Chaz Beckett 12:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I am stating zero, who we have an IP of, was not in NYC, if that was the IP, its not tagged by region like all RoadRunner IP's. Your statement it's extremely unlikely he would have continued using the same IP Is also ignorant as its not technically possible. Again, if you are not aware of topic or issue, you should not participate in the discussion. As noted above DHCP is random assignment of a pool of IP's. It would be pretty much out of my control to pick an IP. Here is a question for you, tell me how I can be nuclear and zero and rex, if rex is not zero? --SevenOfDiamonds 12:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- NuclearUmpf is Zero, that's a confirmed fact. Once again, I have more than enough knowledge of networks and IPs. I fail to understand why you consider it technically impossible to switch to another service provider, which would be allocated a different range of IPs. I have no idea why you're mentioning Rex since I've never mentioned him. I'd consider him to be completely irrelevant to this case. Chaz Beckett 12:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- You are not even reading the evidence before commenting. The ISP is the same. At this point I am ignoring you, you seem to be here to get me irate as you are not even reading things before commenting, your in depth analysis of the IP with your knowledge of networks seemed to have missed that its the same ISP, just not the same region. --SevenOfDiamonds 13:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- NuclearUmpf is Zero, that's a confirmed fact. Once again, I have more than enough knowledge of networks and IPs. I fail to understand why you consider it technically impossible to switch to another service provider, which would be allocated a different range of IPs. I have no idea why you're mentioning Rex since I've never mentioned him. I'd consider him to be completely irrelevant to this case. Chaz Beckett 12:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I am stating zero, who we have an IP of, was not in NYC, if that was the IP, its not tagged by region like all RoadRunner IP's. Your statement it's extremely unlikely he would have continued using the same IP Is also ignorant as its not technically possible. Again, if you are not aware of topic or issue, you should not participate in the discussion. As noted above DHCP is random assignment of a pool of IP's. It would be pretty much out of my control to pick an IP. Here is a question for you, tell me how I can be nuclear and zero and rex, if rex is not zero? --SevenOfDiamonds 12:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? Are you now claiming that you aren't from NYC or Nuclear isn't from NYC? Can you please clarify your statement. Chaz Beckett 12:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, apparently its nonsense to prove that a NYC editor would have NYC IP. --SevenOfDiamonds 12:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Here in England, where I'm from just because you live in a certain place doesn't mean your IP comes from there: I know of Blueyonder (now Virgin Media) customers who have had an IP in one town, but theirs comes from miles away (e.g. a customer in Sheffield has an IP coming from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, for instance.
SevenOfDiamonds, your statement regarding the IPs is correct. RoadRunner, Comcast and Verizon all have IP allocations similar to this.
This is all from a technical standpoint, and I hope I've explained it well enough.
Anyway, arguing about it isn't going to help anyone. Take a deep breath and calm down. There's no need for argy-bargy. --Solumeiras talk 12:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Also, with regard to the IP spoofing issue, look through the talk archives of Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser, you will see it is not possible to spoof an IP on MediaWiki. Hope this helps. --Solumeiras talk 12:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, my apologies if I was getting a little upset. It seems Chaz was not even examining the IP before arguing over the merits of my statement. I also appreciate you inputting your own knowledge into the situation so it does not seem like I am pulling the information out of thin air. --SevenOfDiamonds 13:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Glad I've helped here. I'm only trying to help. As for my own knowledge, well, I've got qualifications in IT and networking.
People should read WP:CALM before trying to argue with other editors here. --Solumeiras talk 13:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- This really needs to end. However, it would be nice if MONGO was given credit for not actually being involved in these checkuser requests. I'm beginning to think that a number of people who weren't named as parties in this case should have been. Telling SevenOfDiamonds to stay away from MONGO will help MONGO, I'm not sure that telling MONGO to stay away from SevenOfDiamonds is going to help him that much given the number of people who continue to fish for sockpuppeteers without MONGO's involvement. Having said that, MONGO would benefit greatly from ignoring SevenOfDiamonds, especially if that means no more baiting of MONGO by anyone with an axe to grind. EconomicsGuy 13:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Except that MONGO already admitted to proposing the people for the CheckUser. He just did not file it himself. --SevenOfDiamonds 14:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe so but he didn't file them himself. I'm not convinced that telling MONGO to stay away from you is going to stop the checkuser requests. Those who filed them haven't been named as parties in this case. This is where the no fishing at checkuser principle comes in. EconomicsGuy 16:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- So its not fishing if other people file them for you? I do not think that is correct. --SevenOfDiamonds 23:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe so but he didn't file them himself. I'm not convinced that telling MONGO to stay away from you is going to stop the checkuser requests. Those who filed them haven't been named as parties in this case. This is where the no fishing at checkuser principle comes in. EconomicsGuy 16:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Except that MONGO already admitted to proposing the people for the CheckUser. He just did not file it himself. --SevenOfDiamonds 14:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- This really needs to end. However, it would be nice if MONGO was given credit for not actually being involved in these checkuser requests. I'm beginning to think that a number of people who weren't named as parties in this case should have been. Telling SevenOfDiamonds to stay away from MONGO will help MONGO, I'm not sure that telling MONGO to stay away from SevenOfDiamonds is going to help him that much given the number of people who continue to fish for sockpuppeteers without MONGO's involvement. Having said that, MONGO would benefit greatly from ignoring SevenOfDiamonds, especially if that means no more baiting of MONGO by anyone with an axe to grind. EconomicsGuy 13:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
My involvement in those checkusers was almost zero. I knew Diamonds was a sock account of "a" banned editor very early...it just took time to figure out which one. The checkusers were not a process of elimination, and again, for the last time, my involvement in them was almost zero. If the arbitrators can't see what my evidence presents, then they either have a poor ability to ID sock accounts, or I presented my evidence poorly. Frankly, I really don't care anymore.--MONGO 18:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Not sure what it means
I noticed that flonight only voted on the one proposal about sockpupettry. Does she intend to vote on any other proposals and just hasn't decided yet? or does she intend to stay with the one, because if it passes everything else is moot? not important really, just a question. --Rocksanddirt 22:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sometimes they have to think about it, sometimes they just forget. Thatcher131 00:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
So who gets dibs?
So if MONGO and SevenofDiamonds are not allowed to comment or interact with one another, do they have to not edit the same articles? Who gets dibs of articles they have both edited in the past? Thatcher131 00:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I think there may be some liberty taken, like if they're both editing nicely and not reverting each other on the same article, I think no one would really care. Just what I think anyway. Kwsn(Ni!) 01:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Frankly...I already said that the only involvement I intended to have with Diamonds was on this case. When he showed up at the attack sites arbitration case, I stopped contributing to it...seems a shame I have to evade him, but if that is the best thing for Wikipedia, no biggie...the arbcom has already moved on to the proposed principles there anyway.--MONGO 03:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- I purposely avoided responding to your comments. However its a case that involves the entire community hence I did not feel I should be barred from it. While it has not been "approved" yet, I figured I should start not responding to you as soon as possible. Its a shame if you feel you cannot participate in an article without responding directly to me. --SevenOfDiamonds 03:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Frankly...I already said that the only involvement I intended to have with Diamonds was on this case. When he showed up at the attack sites arbitration case, I stopped contributing to it...seems a shame I have to evade him, but if that is the best thing for Wikipedia, no biggie...the arbcom has already moved on to the proposed principles there anyway.--MONGO 03:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I have some sort of sense of comradery with SoD over this, since we were both named in the same RFCU. We should start up our own cabal. <joke> If he wants to edit something with MONGO, he can tag me, and I'll come flying in and edit war like the dickens!</joke> Isaac Pankonin 03:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Vagueness
- SevenOfDiamonds and MONGO each accuse the other of harassment. Both are correct to some degree.
This sounds incredibly vague. Can this be reworded on how specifically each one is correct to some degree? hbdragon88 22:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- If you read the workshop page, evidence talk page, and the various AN and ANI threads you will see that neither one can refrain from commenting on the others comments. It's not so much vague, as being more specific is not really possible. They gently harass each other pretty much constantly. --Rocksanddirt 23:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Given the history between the two I think this is entirely sufficient and appropriate. There is no reason for ArbCom to examine every instance of alleged harrassment. That would take months for ArbCom to properly examine and we need to remember that they are doing this in their spare time, not full time. Rocksanddirt sums it up very nicely. EconomicsGuy 13:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- If you read the workshop page, evidence talk page, and the various AN and ANI threads you will see that neither one can refrain from commenting on the others comments. It's not so much vague, as being more specific is not really possible. They gently harass each other pretty much constantly. --Rocksanddirt 23:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the latest proposed decisions
It was my understanding that falsaff unblocked SoD, as the consensus was not achieved to block him as a sock at that time. Not, soley to participate in this proceeding. --Rocksanddirt 20:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- That is correct. Perhaps Fred can expand on his wording. Just to add he also apologized for going against the established concensus, the user went to him did not mention the Arbitration Enforcement page where it was already decided there was no concensus. Fayassal also did not unblock me so I can participate here, he did so because he went against consensus. He then told MONGO if he wanted to keep up accusing he would have to file an Arbcom. MONGo refused and Theresa then filed. The proposed finding of fact, is not fact at all. --SevenOfDiamonds 22:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- As the phrase "he has been unblocked to participate in this arbitration" is actually not true it obviously needs to be reworded. Not a big deal, except that it's a bad idea to have findings of fact in an ArbCom which are demonstrably false. A committee member needs to fix that.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Good point. I just got distracted by other things. Fred Bauder 05:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- As the phrase "he has been unblocked to participate in this arbitration" is actually not true it obviously needs to be reworded. Not a big deal, except that it's a bad idea to have findings of fact in an ArbCom which are demonstrably false. A committee member needs to fix that.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 04:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Another Random Observation
User:Zer0faults doesn't appear to actually be blocked from editing. The last block in the log was lifted in June of 06. While the user hasn't contributed since Sept. 06. Nuclearumpf however is blocked. It seems a bit odd. --Rocksanddirt 16:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- NuclearUmpf is Zer0faults...when he created the Nuclear username, he redirected his Zer0faults account to the new username [3].--MONGO 17:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- got it, thanks!. I just looked at the block logs. --Rocksanddirt 18:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Job well done
This is directed at MONGO et al. However all feel free to hop on board. I have decided to quit participating here. It seems Wikipedia is a grand social experiment and mirrors a real democratic system closely. Who you have on your side, weighs more then the actual events. I have been accused of harassing you, however you have not been able to note a single time when I made a comment or remark to you without you having had made one against me first. Second it seems your ally on the "Bad Sites" issue has come to your rescue, someone who already admitted to not having read the evidence, or having the time to do so. I am accepting the label of "sockpuppet" to please the community and will enjoy my exile. If anything it will only give you more ammo and this project will hopefully collapse on itself, or realize the errors of its ways and see you for what many believe you are, you will now have topics of Latin America / 9.11 / South East Asia as your mixing pot to label others as socks. This will be my last edit, and I request the article I created be deleted under G7. The following pages meet this requirement:
- Carlos Alberto Rentería Mantilla
- Luis Hernando Gomez
- Zapata Sparrow
- Colombian presidential election, 1998
- BINCI
- Zapata Swamp
- Mario Montoya Uribe
- Jose Antonio Llama
To those who seen the paper thin evidence for what it was, thank you. For those who accepted the line "its the total of the evidence" every time MONGO was proven to be lying or misstating, I really can not express my distaste and disappointment at what you have taken away from the project by asking me to leave. My final words to you MONGO, I hope your victory over the "other POV" as you called it when you were looking for people to accuse me of, is well worth it. --SevenOfDiamonds 17:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sad that you've again made this decision. However, as others have edited the articles you refer to, a G7 speedy deletion is unlikely to be applicable. My advice is to simply ignore this proceeding, unwatchlist it. In another month, after the arbitors have looked at the reams of commentary they will decide for the harassment restriction on both of you, and that will be the end of it. --Rocksanddirt 18:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Actually since I am the only one who "provided the page's only substantial content" I can request G7. I did not pick all of my articles as some were expanded thanks to Fernando and others who care about the Latin America topics. However the edits to those pages either never stood or are just wikilinks. I am sorry I made the decision as well, however I do not like the atmosphere here anymore, it is too political. Someone participating in my Arbcom, Fred, proposed findings of fact that were not true. They are also an ally of MONGO on another Arbitration and here sided with them as well. They have also stated they did not read the evidence nor cared to. The politics surrounding editing Wikipedia is too much to deal with. In the first month here I wrote 5 articles I believe, since this Arbcom took off I have not been able to start the narco-state article I wanted to, nor help Fernando on the narco-trafficking article. If I am going to be looked at as a sockpuppet, if politics will continue to be more important then editing and contributing, then I have no desire to remain. I thought the goal of this project was noble, but the people who participate often think they are bigger then that goal sadly. Thank you for your kind words and rational thinking, no matter which side of the divide you ended up taking. --SevenOfDiamonds 18:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Zer0faults account blocked
User:NuclearUmpf was indefinitely blocked in February, but the User:Zer0faults was not blocked at the time. He came back today and left a message on User:MONGO's talk page, including harassment of User:DHeyward. [4] To prevent further disruption, I have indef blocked Zer0faults. --Aude (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Don't you mean you blocked me? You do believe we are the same person after all. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Wow! Zero makes his first edit in over a year mere hours after you declare you're leaving Wikipedia forever. I've got to play the lottery tonight. Chaz Beckett 19:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Same here. Hey wait that means I am zer0!, you are good. As I said, I already accept the block as a sockpuppet. The community here is amusing. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Wow! Zero makes his first edit in over a year mere hours after you declare you're leaving Wikipedia forever. I've got to play the lottery tonight. Chaz Beckett 19:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Note: Diff has been deleted from the page history due to harrassment. I'll leave everything else up to arbcom. --Aude (talk) 19:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Diamonds, stop trying to go down in a blaze of martyrdom. I actually thought you were doing a better job getting along in the community, but this is dumb. The Evil Spartan 19:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sigh. There is no martyrdom. Believe it or not ... I am not zer0/Nuclear/LoveLight/Rex/Giovanni/Fairness/ or whoever is needed to make others feel better. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- The worst part is, I never had an issue with TBeatty, she comes to MONGO's defense, but we do not even edit the same articles. I guess I can say that til I am blue in the face however. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- You just confessed to it above. I'm done feeding this nonsense. The Evil Spartan 19:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- It was sarcasm ... I give up. So it is good you give up. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- You just confessed to it above. I'm done feeding this nonsense. The Evil Spartan 19:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- The worst part is, I never had an issue with TBeatty, she comes to MONGO's defense, but we do not even edit the same articles. I guess I can say that til I am blue in the face however. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Sigh. There is no martyrdom. Believe it or not ... I am not zer0/Nuclear/LoveLight/Rex/Giovanni/Fairness/ or whoever is needed to make others feel better. --SevenOfDiamonds 19:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Diamonds, stop trying to go down in a blaze of martyrdom. I actually thought you were doing a better job getting along in the community, but this is dumb. The Evil Spartan 19:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)