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Any that you feel should be removed/added? Your thoughts on this issue? [[User:AshLin|AshLin]] ([[User talk:AshLin|talk]]) 18:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC) |
Any that you feel should be removed/added? Your thoughts on this issue? [[User:AshLin|AshLin]] ([[User talk:AshLin|talk]]) 18:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC) |
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:As I've said above, we need to put this project on hold until we add an additional step to the 8 steps you list above. The additional step I am talking about should address the problem of [[Wikipedia:NPOV/FAQ|NPOV]] in India articles due to a [[systemic bias]], specifically British bias. We should treat this only next to the "censorship" step in terms of importance and priority. There are four sources of bias that I am aware of: |
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:# The racist bias in 18th, 19th and early-mid 20th century British literature. Some of this can easily and has in the past crept in to Wikipedia articles. |
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:# The odd British nationalist editor who wants to glorify the British Empire will edit articles from a viewpoint that is alien to India school children. |
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:# The [[Brown Sahib]] Indian editor. |
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:# University professors who have a strong anti-India POV and who can indulge in [[WP:OR]] (which is their day job). |
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:<small>Disclaimer: None of this is directed at any individual editor in particular but these types of editors do exist on Wikipedia but the great majority are most likely introducing bias unintentionally.</small> |
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:If you want to proceed with the project, I would recommend dropping all articles that deal with Indo-British history until the above issues are addressed. |
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:It is not the case that there is no solution to this problem but it might take a while before we clean up the articles. Some possible solutions that come to my mind: |
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:#Develop a tool that detects article references from years XXXX to XXXX in articles that fall under relevant projects. |
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:#Develop a tool that searches articles under relevant projects for key offensive words. |
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:#This may be controversial, but it might be worth looking at the contributors to an article to check for known editors who have a known POV issue. |
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:#Another topic that should be dropped from the offline version is any article that falls under the Indian caste-system. Many of these articles are horrible and need substantial clean up. |
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:[[User:Zuggernaut|Zuggernaut]] ([[User talk:Zuggernaut|talk]]) 06:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC) |
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== Naxal articles == |
== Naxal articles == |
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Please Peer Review Institute of Chartered Accountants of India
I have recently nominated Institute of Chartered Accountants of India for peer review. I humbly request that someone peer reviews the article.
Engineering college rankings - AfD
After some thought, I put this to AfD. At present, this is neither a list nor prose. Content of this article is subject to opinion of a few magazines, and participation by all colleges is not guaranteed. Please put your comments at the AfD entry here. TheMike •Leave me a message! 15:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
"Indian Declaration of Independence"?
There's a page that lists each country's declaration of independence. It links to an Indian Declaration of Independence. This is the first I've heard of the phrase, and I believe it isn't actually used. Should the article be deleted or something? Shreevatsa (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- It's been here for close to five years!! Should be deleted, alternately you could just redirect it to Tryst with destiny as all this article refers to is a statement by Nehru in that speech that we're independent, but that would allow a revert and it may go unnoticed. —SpacemanSpiff 22:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
New lead piece for FA India
A new lead is being proposed for the featured article on India. Please participate in the discussion at new lead to enhance the quality of the discussion. Zuggernaut (talk) 03:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
What is an "ACCL" medal (British India)?
On this page/section, Maratha#Military_service, there are several medal names which appear to have no article. Are any of these redirectable to other existing articles? I'm particularly unclear as to what an "ACCL" is. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia for Schools Offline Edition (Indian version)
Dear fellow editors,
A reminder to you that work has begun on assembling a list of articles suitable for a Wikipedia For Schools Offine Edition (Indian version). At present, we have two volunteers. The project pages are located here :
http://wikimedia.in/wiki/Projects:_Wikipedia_for_Schools/Indian_version
The immediate reason for this is that the present version is tailor-made for the UK schools curriculum. User:BozMo (creator of WPSOE) has indicated that about 300 articles extra have been added for this reason. User Bozmo has promised guidance to this project once the 2011 version will be released in a couple of months time. In the meantime, if anybody feels that some particular article on India should be added to the 2011 version, please contact Bozmo immediately.
The aim of this endeavour is two-fold. The first is to have an Indian version tailor-made for our context and which will (hopefully) tackle all the issues you all mentioned in the recent thread. The second is - to have a framework of articles on Indian subjects. This list will help us to ensure that core knowledge will be developed and brought up in standard. The same list can be used to cross-check the articles in Indic-language wikipedias so as to prioritise content needing development.
The methodology and progress are as indicated :
- Prepare list of topics of the latest version of Wikipedia for Schools (SOS Children's Village Project version - html download). Done
- Count them. Done
- Check each section's topics for relevance and : (Yet to begin) - (a) Delete articles pertaining to British/North American cultural contexts irrelevant to the Indian context. - (b) Add articles relevant to the Indian context.
- Prepare list of desired topics from a set of textbooks in CBSE and countercheck availability on Wikipedia for Schools - Indian version.
- Get list counter-checked with the Learning Lab's semantic and phyllogenic web (proposed).
- Get domain experts in each field to cross-check if any important topics left out.
- During the process (steps 4 to 6) get peer review.
- Censorship (as required).
- If Wikipedia for Schools occupies less space, add articles. If Wikipedia for Schools exceeds size of DVD then trim number of articles.
- Compile the offline version - humungous task.
- Trial deployment.
- Usability testing.
- Release version 0.1.
Comments and participation welcomed. All of you are requested to please contribute timely so that issues can be sorted out during the procedure rather than having to redo the work afterward. Since this is an Indian initiative on English Wikipedia, I am using this post to inform all of you, as has been suggested earlier - get the relevant language wikipedia community in the picture.
(copy of email posted on wikimediaindia-list, slightly modified).
AshLin (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- Can you elaborate what is included in the the 8th point (censorship)? An additional step would be required to eliminate offensive terminology towards Indians which is not too uncommon in older English literature (and Wikipedia sources and articles as a result). Zuggernaut (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- ...and I would even go to the extent of saying that this project should be put on hold until we find a solution to the problem of systemic bias with which many of these articles are bound to be written. Extra care should be taken to ensure that NPOV is reached by the elimination of the European focus, especially in matters of Indo-British history. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:12, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I dont agree, millions of children cant wait for these resources. The censorship is basically to:
- meet legal requirements such as boundary maps.
- ensure improper material (sexually explicit material) stays out. It is already absent in this British version.
- it is not about the issues you are worried about.
- however, you are welcome to give your input regarding these issues as you deem fit.
AshLin (talk) 16:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Lanco infratech
A couple of editors who look like company employees (they don't edit other stuff) keep reverting my edits on the Lanco Infratech article which I created some time back. Their edits read like a company brochure and has no citations. I have added a discussion page to discuss issues. They visit the article much more frequently than I do; I don't want an edit war. Help requested. mukerjee (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- Came in and reverted back to your NPOV version. Article seems to be suffering clear attempts to remove mention of controversies associated with the company (backed up by reliable news refs), and to add blatant POV terms like "impressive" to praise the company. Accompanied, of course, by Edit Summaries from the advert editors accusing Mukerjee of "POV" and personal motives, and threatening to tell an administrator. I'd recommend at least a few other editors add this page to their watchlists so we can keep an eye out for future attempts to take the warts off and make the page a promo brochure. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Proposal to change map of India from 2011 Cricket World Cup
The map of India on 2011 Cricket World Cup article, shows Kashmir Valley (POK) and Aksai Chin in different shading as compare to general shade of India; which clearly depicts that they ain't under the administration of India, which is as according to other maps of India's on other articles of Wikipedia (no problem with this). But there state of Arunachal Pradesh is also shown with dotted boundaries from both China's and India's side, to signify that this is also the disputed region, which is true but the problem is why specially on this article it is shown with different boundaries as compare to other Indian states?. So, i want to propose an necessary amendment in this map to show Arunachal Pradesh solely under the administration of India only, without any special boundary.
- Maps should be same on all the similar articles - check these maps - Olympics, FIFA and FIH; in all these maps territory of India is depicted as according to present situation, means POK and Aksai Chin in Pakistan and China respectively and Arunachal Pradesh completely in India without any special boundary identifier. So if Olympics, FIFA and FIH could show Arunachal solely in India than why not in this particular Cricket related article? Bill william comptonTalk 19:51, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Vikramāditya needs attention
I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this. The article no longer has a lead and seems full of OR. Earlier versions, eg [1], had a lead. Not my field but it needs attention. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 07:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Mumbai Images
There is currently a discussion on Talk:Mumbai for changes in the images on the Mumbai article - requesting WP:India editors for their views. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 16:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I have put in a proposal to setup a new project to the WikiProject Council to tackle some issues related to nomenclature that I'm seeing all over Wikipedia - from the 2011 Cricket World Cup article to Ganga and many others. Please participate in the discussion at the project proposal council board to determine the viability of such a project. Zuggernaut (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Recent changes were made to citations templates (such as {{citation}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite web}}...). In addition to what was previously supported (bibcode, doi, jstor, isbn, ...), templates now support arXiv, ASIN, JFM, LCCN, MR, OL, OSTI, RFC, SSRN and Zbl. Before, you needed to place |id=
(or worse {{arxiv|0123.4567}}
|url=http://arxiv.org/abs/0123.4567
), now you can simply use |arxiv=0123.4567
, likewise for |id=
and {{JSTOR|0123456789}}
|url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/0123456789
→ |jstor=0123456789
.
The full list of supported identifiers is given here (with dummy values):
- John Smith (2000). "How to Put Things into Other Things". Journal of Foobar. 1 (2): 3–4. arXiv:0123456789. ASIN 0123456789. Bibcode:0123456789. doi:0123456789. ISBN 0123456789. ISSN 0123456789. JFM 0123456789. JSTOR 0123456789. LCCN 0123456789. MR 0123456789. OCLC 0123456789. OL 0123456789. OSTI 0123456789. PMC 0123456789. PMID 0123456789. RFC 0123456789. SSRN 0123456789. Zbl 0123456789.
|id=____
.{{cite journal}}
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Obviously not all citations needs all parameters, but this streamlines the most popular ones and gives both better metadata and better appearances when printed. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 02:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Next Pune meetup - 12 March 2011 at SICSR
AshLin (talk) 04:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Konkani Language articles need attention
three articles Konkani Phonology, Canara Konkani and Konkani Script need contributions.Imperium Caelestis 06:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Request
- I request editors to have a look at this discussion, and achieve a consensus. I am going on a Wikibreak for some time. Hope to see that issue resolved once I come back! Yes Michael? •Talk 14:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
The article S. R. Bhosle Krida Sankul Stadium has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- I dont find any information on this stadium in Google News or Google Book Search, in fact I have never heard of it before
While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}}
will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 07:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
FLC nom - List of international cricket centuries at Brabourne Stadium
List of international cricket centuries at Brabourne Stadium has been nominated for WP:Featured List status - the flc is ongoing here - [2]. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 07:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Devasahayam Pillai
just like to apprise folks of the heavily POV ridden Devasahayam Pillai, edited by editor(s) with WP:COI . thanks Arjuncodename024 16:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Choosing topics for Wikipedia for Schools (Offline Ed) - Indian version : #1 Cities
Hello friends,
Article selection for Wikipedia for Schools (Offline Ed) - Indian version has begun. I have started selecting articles. I chose Geography as a relatively uncontroversial topic to begin with. The first items added were the states & union territories - uncontroversial, just added them all. The next I have selected are Indian cities.
Any that you feel should be removed/added? Your thoughts on this issue? AshLin (talk) 18:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
- As I've said above, we need to put this project on hold until we add an additional step to the 8 steps you list above. The additional step I am talking about should address the problem of NPOV in India articles due to a systemic bias, specifically British bias. We should treat this only next to the "censorship" step in terms of importance and priority. There are four sources of bias that I am aware of:
- The racist bias in 18th, 19th and early-mid 20th century British literature. Some of this can easily and has in the past crept in to Wikipedia articles.
- The odd British nationalist editor who wants to glorify the British Empire will edit articles from a viewpoint that is alien to India school children.
- The Brown Sahib Indian editor.
- University professors who have a strong anti-India POV and who can indulge in WP:OR (which is their day job).
- Disclaimer: None of this is directed at any individual editor in particular but these types of editors do exist on Wikipedia but the great majority are most likely introducing bias unintentionally.
- If you want to proceed with the project, I would recommend dropping all articles that deal with Indo-British history until the above issues are addressed.
- It is not the case that there is no solution to this problem but it might take a while before we clean up the articles. Some possible solutions that come to my mind:
- Develop a tool that detects article references from years XXXX to XXXX in articles that fall under relevant projects.
- Develop a tool that searches articles under relevant projects for key offensive words.
- This may be controversial, but it might be worth looking at the contributors to an article to check for known editors who have a known POV issue.
- Another topic that should be dropped from the offline version is any article that falls under the Indian caste-system. Many of these articles are horrible and need substantial clean up.
- Zuggernaut (talk) 06:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Naxal articles
Please feel free to chip in to discussions Talk:Maoist_Communist_Center#Fork and Talk:Communist_Party_of_India_(Marxist–Leninist)_People's_War#Referencing. I'm in dialogue that is so far proving futile with another editor, which refuses to discard a source that confuses India and Nepal as well as making factually incorrect claim on whether MCC and MCCI are two separate entities. --Soman (talk) 21:02, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Proposed rename of article entitled "Nirmala Srivastava" to "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi"
Hi all, do you think that the above should be done? I know there is a policy of not using honorifics on Wikipedia but I think this person should come as an exception since she is more widely known by the honorific title. For example I have compiled this list of academic sources which are used in the article:
Judith Coney, Sahaja Yoga: Socializing Processes in a South Asian New Religious Movement (1999) – Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi, shortened to Sri Mataji (used most often). Only one reference to Nirmala Srivastava.
Hinduism Today - Mataji Nirmala Devi
Kakar, Sudhir (1984) Shamans, Mystics and Doctors: A Psychological Inquiry into India and Its Healing Traditions - Mata Nirmala Devi
Holiest Wars: Islamic Mahdis, Their Jihads, and Osama Bin Laden 2005 by Timothy R. Furnish & Michael Rubin - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Inform brochure - Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava
http://www.irelandyoga.org - Shri Mataji
Thorax International Journal of Respiratory Medicine - HH Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Barrett, David V. The New Believers - Shri Mataji
I'm sure as time goes on she will be even less known by the name she was born with and more widely known by her spiritual name considering the worldwide following she has. Freelion (talk) 02:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Related discussion
Editors here will be interested in an ongoing discussion on honorifics and titles at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Indic) LeadSongDog come howl! 18:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Very confusing article at Rajbanshi
Rajbanshi appears to be about some community associated with Koch and Assam, but I'm having real trouble understanding the article, and the footnotes are very oddly formatted. I've at least added some wikilinks to dump the {deadend} tag, but if anyone is interested in this topic it could use a whack. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)