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:::{{re|Catchpoke}}, no need (or option at all any more, ftm) to withdraw. The discussion is due, and many aspects are in play already. |
:::{{re|Catchpoke}}, no need (or option at all any more, ftm) to withdraw. The discussion is due, and many aspects are in play already. |
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:::{{re|Gidonb}} I don't think your judgements on this procedure ''and on an editor's GF'' are sound or helpful. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
:::{{re|Gidonb}} I don't think your judgements on this procedure ''and on an editor's GF'' are sound or helpful. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::::{{re|DePiep}} Doesn't your comment to me already follow from your other stated opinion? [[User:Gidonb|gidonb]] ([[User talk:Gidonb|talk]]) 13:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Template:Largest cities of Israel
- Template:Largest cities of Israel (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
used on only 2 articles and should be replaced by {{Largest Israeli cities}}. There is a precedent for this.Catchpoke (talk) 23:46, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Related: Template:Largest Israeli cities (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) -DePiep (talk) 11:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Catchpoke, I'm confused by this request. You have requested Largest cities of Israel for deletion, but the way you have worded your request, you say it should be replaced by Largest Israeli cities. This sounds more like a merger request. Are the articles in the Largest cities of Israel template included in the Largest Israeli cities? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes: all of the cities in {{Largest cities of Israel}} are included in {{Largest Israeli cities}}. I stated that {{Largest cities of Israel}} should be replaced with {{Largest Israeli cities}} because the data in {{Largest cities of Israel}} requires constant updating (including the reference provided by Israel Central Bureau of Statistics). since we already have List of cities in Israel, its safe to delete {{Largest cities of Israel}}. Catchpoke (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
"all of the cities in {{Largest cities of Israel}} are included in {{Largest Israeli cities}}"
False. You are obviously don't know what you are talking about, can't even open and compare the two. The templates have different content, purpose and placement in articles, as I explained below."data in {{Largest cities of Israel}} requires constant updating"
It does not, actually, as it's updated automatically through {{Israel populations}}. And whether it's updatable or not is not a rationale for deletion, anyway. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)- Alright, I stand corrected by the constant updating argument as I wasn't aware of {{Israel populations}}. However, {{Largest cities of Israel}} lists only 10 or 20 city entries and 4 pictures of the cities which is arbitrary and capricious and the relevant policy here is WP:NAVCOLOR. {{Largest cities}} is currently used on the state/provincial level and there isn't any policy that states country level usage must be kept. The other problem is, as user:Gonnym mentioned, that they are incompatible with mobile view. These reasons support turning these templates into lists if they don't already exist. Catchpoke (talk) 17:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
"relevant policy here is WP:NAVCOLOR"
WP:NAVCOLOR is about navigational templates, which this one is not."{{Largest cities}} is currently used on the state/provincial level"
No, it's used on every level: Pages that link to "Template:Largest cities". --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 07:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, I stand corrected by the constant updating argument as I wasn't aware of {{Israel populations}}. However, {{Largest cities of Israel}} lists only 10 or 20 city entries and 4 pictures of the cities which is arbitrary and capricious and the relevant policy here is WP:NAVCOLOR. {{Largest cities}} is currently used on the state/provincial level and there isn't any policy that states country level usage must be kept. The other problem is, as user:Gonnym mentioned, that they are incompatible with mobile view. These reasons support turning these templates into lists if they don't already exist. Catchpoke (talk) 17:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy keep The "precedent" you provided is of a subdivision, not a country. {{Largest cities}} is a standard feature of articles about countries, see United Kingdom, France, Canada, Greece, Egypt, China, Japan etc. And {{Largest Israeli cities}} that you suggest to replace this one with is a navbox, a different kind of template. Nominator is a newbie.
--Triggerhippie4 (talk) 00:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
you suggest to replace this one with is a navbox, a different kind of template. Nominator is a newbie
- {{Largest cities of Israel}} uses class "nav". Both are navboxes. Also, it calls {{Largest cities}} which says the template isn't displayed in mobile. So you are basically placing a navigation template in the middle of an article and hiding it from 50% of readers. --Gonnym (talk) 09:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)- @Gonnym: It's too broad for mobile view. {{Largest cities}} templates are presenting detailed information on few top cities with images and are useful in article bodies. Navboxes with all cities are for navigation between them and are placed at the bottom with other navboxes. Besides that, it doesn't matter for the nomination, as it should be speedy kept, and if you want to delete Largest-cities templates you should nominate all hundreds of them. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Content should not be hidden from half our readers. If such a table is needed in the middle of an article, it should be converted to a standard table. --Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- It is horizontal, not designed for mobile view. If a mobile reader at Israel#Major urban areas (where the template is) wants a list of largest cities they click on hatnote. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have no problem with nominating most
ofif not all of them though i find that rather bold due to the chilling effect of attitudes and comments like "nominator is a newbie".Catchpoke (talk) 23:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I have no problem with nominating most
- It is horizontal, not designed for mobile view. If a mobile reader at Israel#Major urban areas (where the template is) wants a list of largest cities they click on hatnote. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Content should not be hidden from half our readers. If such a table is needed in the middle of an article, it should be converted to a standard table. --Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: It's too broad for mobile view. {{Largest cities}} templates are presenting detailed information on few top cities with images and are useful in article bodies. Navboxes with all cities are for navigation between them and are placed at the bottom with other navboxes. Besides that, it doesn't matter for the nomination, as it should be speedy kept, and if you want to delete Largest-cities templates you should nominate all hundreds of them. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- About being a navbox: both templates set
class=navbox
, so both are a navbox full stop. Being a navbox implies prescriptions on their setup, content, aim, behaviour and required placement in the page layout. Most importantly, navboxes may not be in article body text (for example, because navboxes are not shown in mobile view). For this reason, the current three (not two!) article usages are incorrect. This cannot be solved by table design changes. -DePiep (talk) 12:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete There is no rationale for keeping two templates with the same topic. Although, there needs to be a discussion about the Largest cities in the world templates navbox and the individual Largest cities of templates. I don't see why there needs to be a navbox that leads to template pages. Navigational boxes should lead to articles listed in the template.
"all of the cities in Largest cities of Israel are included in Largest Israeli cities. False. You are obviously don't know what you are talking about, can't even open and compare the two."
Triggerhippie4, there's no need to be angry over a template discussion. In fact, the cities listed in Largest cities of Israel are in the Largest Israeli cities navbox. And Catchpoke, if you do nominate another one of these templates, it's best to nominate multiple for one discussion in order to avoid repeated single discussions. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan: {{Largest cities of Israel}} is not a navbox and is not used for navigation between cities in it. That's what {{Largest Israeli cities}} is for. You voted delete. Are you ok with Israel article being singled out while virtually every other country continue to have such template? --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Triggerhippie4: As I explained in my 12:33 post, it is a navbox. -DePiep (talk) 12:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't say it was a navbox. The largest cities in the world navbox needs to be looked at because that navbox just leads to templates about largest cities in a country. A navbox should lead to articles, not templates. And yes I am because there already exists a navbox that has the same purpose. And other countries with this template that's being nominated for deletion needs to be looked at as well. A navbox that can do the same thing is better than the way the Largest cities of templates are outlined. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan:
The largest cities in the world navbox needs to be looked at.
There's no such navbox. I used {{World topic}} with modifications to display the series of templates. A navbox should lead to articles, not templates.
Not true, see Category:Navigational meta-templates.And yes I am because there already exists a navbox that has the same purpose.
They have different purposes. One is for displaying detailed list of top cities in the country's main article, and the other is for navigation between all cities.- You are as competent as the nominator. You were blocked just recently with one of the reasons being WP:CIR. Can we get mindful editors to participate here, please? --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you are going to invoke CIR, then you should have kept that in mind when calling the user who nominated a newbie and saying what he said was "False" and "You are obviously don't know what you are talking about".
You are as competent as nominator.
You need to refrain from personal attacks. This is now the second time you have done that in this discussion toward two editors. And there is no deadline to get this discussion closed. Other editors will take part. Be patient. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)- @Triggerhippie4 and WikiCleanerMan: I am astonished too that Triggerhippie4 Th4 for a second time enters WP:PAs to two editors, as WCM points out: "... newbie", "You are as ...". I strongly advise Th4 to self-redact these posts and refrain from such. Is really could spoil the discussion, and most likely your argument first. -DePiep (talk) 12:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- If you are going to invoke CIR, then you should have kept that in mind when calling the user who nominated a newbie and saying what he said was "False" and "You are obviously don't know what you are talking about".
- @WikiCleanerMan:
- @WikiCleanerMan: {{Largest cities of Israel}} is not a navbox and is not used for navigation between cities in it. That's what {{Largest Israeli cities}} is for. You voted delete. Are you ok with Israel article being singled out while virtually every other country continue to have such template? --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. It's an essential part of 2 very important articles to Wikipedia that are being updated simultaneously through this template. There's absolutely no precedent to this deletion or merger (whatever was intended) at the national level. gidonb (talk) 00:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- If needed, I am willing to withdraw my nomination but nominate the whole series but I will need a template editor to tag {{Largest cities}} for deletion.Catchpoke (talk) 17:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Now that you have started this unnecessary procedure, it's not a good idea to take it elsewhere. You'll just keep precious wasting community time that could have been constructively put to use elsewhere. gidonb (talk) 12:44, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Motorways and Trunk Roads in England
- Template:Motorways and Trunk Roads in England (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Motorways in the United Kingdom (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Motorways and Trunk Roads in England with Template:Motorways in the United Kingdom.
These look like they are closely related, so I wonder whether they could be merged. If not merged, {{Motorways and Trunk Roads in England}} should probably be renamed to {{Highways England}} as that seems to be the actual topic of the navbox (to add more confusion, the headline of the template is neither of those but rather "Strategic road network in England"). 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Motorways and Trunk Roads in England. {{Motorways in the United Kingdom}} has existed for 15 years, covers motorways in the whole UK (not just England), an easy-to-grasp subject with easy-to-grasp subgroups. {{Motorways and Trunk Roads in England}} was created in 2018 and covers all roads in England (not UK) that are maintained by Highways England, grouped by Highways England's own internal management structure. This is a much less obvious subject matter (and subgrouping) which I would suggest is of little interest to most of our readers except for employees of Highways England. So I'd suggest deletion, but if deletion isn't agreed I'd oppose merger as the two templates cover very different subject matters, and rename it "Roads maintained by Highways England". -- Dr Greg talk 12:04, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Do nothing. The {{Motorways and Trunk Roads in England}} template describes trunk roads in England and who manages them like {{Motorways and Trunk Roads in Wales}} does for Wales. RichardHC, 2 May 2021, 20:27 BST
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 01:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I have invited members of WikiProject United Kingdom and WikiProject Highways to comment. -- Dr Greg talk 22:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Contra dance
- Template:Contra dance (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Navbox which fails the "rule of five" and contains only links that are already present in the articles concerned. User:GKFXtalk 20:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- (Speaking as someone with subject expertise) It's definitely a remnant of an older era in which sidebar usage wasn't as standardized as it is these days. IAR, I kinda like it, as there are three main contra dance articles, and it makes it a lot easier to navigate between them than just relying on the links in the body. If we wanted to expand rather than delete it, we could add pages like Country Dance and Song Society (umbrella organization for contra dance groups in the U.S.) and Flurry Festival (annual festival with contra dancing as main attraction). I'm also hoping to launch Draft:Money Musk (a specific notable contra dance) at some point. Overall, idk; the whole area is in need of a lot of improvement, and it's hard to tell at this point what the best ultimate structure for it will be. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Wow it's being nominated again for the first time in fourteen years. This is a valid argument for deletion. It's too short to justify keeping it. The articles about form and choreography are linked to the mainspace Contra dance article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Infobox African Games Algeria
- Template:Infobox African Games Algeria (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Following this discussion the meta-templates storing information such as this one were deleted (including those for Algeria at the Olympics, Paralympics, and Aquatics). Not sure how, but this template managed to escape that deletion run, so really all that's necessary is a subst and delete per the precedent set by the previous discussion. Primefac (talk) 01:31, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The infobox,
{{Infobox country at games}}
, is the standard for countries in articles about their participation in international sporting events. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC) - Delete per nom. Good catch Primefac. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
4TeamBrackets
- Template:4TeamBracket-2legs-with 3rd (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:4TeamBracket-2legsExceptFinalwith3rd (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:4TeamBracket-2legFinal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:4TeamBracket-2LegFinal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:4TeamBracket-Tennis53 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:4TeamBracket-Tennis35-with third (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:4TeamBracket-Tennis3-with seven (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused after replaced with {{4TeamBracket}}
. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Just like the other team bracket templates from the more recent discussions in the past few days. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --Wolbo (talk) 14:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)