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::I'd mention it as "[[Vancouver]], [[Canada]]" rather than just "Vancouver" when posting, to better indicate the host country. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 10:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
::I'd mention it as "[[Vancouver]], [[Canada]]" rather than just "Vancouver" when posting, to better indicate the host country. [[w:User:Ks0stm|<font color="009900" ><b>Ks0stm</b></font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Ks0stm|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Ks0stm|C]]•[[User:Ks0stm/Guestbook|G]])</sup> 10:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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On a related note, in 2008 there was a quick link at the bottom of the ITN box to the [[Chronological summary of the 2008 Summer Olympics|highlights]] of the Beijing Olympics. This worked very well; it resolved any issues over which events should be featured or not. Anybody could just follow the link and find a summary of that day's gold medallists, world records, etc. I've just created the page [[Chronological summary of the 2010 Winter Olympics]], and this could go up tomorrow or later today, if there's consensus. [[User:Lampman|Lampman]] ([[User talk:Lampman|talk]]) 11:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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February 12
- Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has repeatedly called on the DPRK to re-engage in the Six-Party Talks that also involve the Republic of Korea, Japan, China, Russia and the United States. (UN)
- Police in Mtwapa arrest five men accused of being homosexuals, two of whom had wedding rings and were attempting to marry in a first for Kenya. (BBC) (Daily Nation)
- Thousands of people flee Mogadishu after 24 people are killed and 40 people are wounded in two days. (BBC) (CBC)
- Russian security forces kill at least 20 people in Ingushetia. (BBC) (The Star) (The Scotsman)
- Togo appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport over their ban from the next two Africa Cup of Nations in the aftermath of the Togo national football team attack. (BBC) (CNN) (The Guardian)
- Mexican President Felipe Calderón's visit to a community centre in Ciudad Juárez where 13 teenagers and two adults were shot dead at a school party on 31 January is disrupted by murders, riot police and dozens of protesters. (BBC) (Latin American Herald Tribune) (Radio Netherlands Worldwide)
- A shooting at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, United States, leaves at least three persons dead. (CNN)
- 2010 Winter Olympics:
- The XXI Olympic Winter Games competitions begin in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. (NBC Sports)
- Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili is killed after a crash at the Whistler Sliding Centre, during a training run for the 2010 Winter Olympics. (BBC) (The Times) (The Los Angeles Times)
- Nodar Kumaritashvili is remembered by the participants in the opening ceremony. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- The United States successfully shoots down a launching ballistic missile using the Boeing YAL-1, a military Boeing 747-400F aircraft mounted with a chemical oxygen iodine laser weapon. (Reuters)
- Thailand deports the five-man crew detained in the country since December after transporting weapons from North Korea. (AFP) (Thai News Agency)[permanent dead link]
- Campaigning for Iraq's parliamentary election begins. (Xinhua) (AFP) (Press TV)
- Indonesia's former anti-corruption chief Antasari Azhar is sentenced to 18 years for the murder of a businessman. (Jakarta Post) (CNN)
- A ceasefire is declared between Houthi fighters and the Yemeni government in northern Yemen. (The Guardian) (Al Jazeera) (Press TV)
- Burma's leader General Than Shwe says the general elections will be held "soon". (Al Jazeera) (Press Trust of India)
- Chinese human rights activist Feng Zhenghu, stranded at Japan's Narita International Airport after being refused entry to China for three months, returns home. (Bangkok Post)[permanent dead link] (BBC)
ITN candidates for February 12
Operation Scorched Earth ends
Truce ends six months of bitter warfare in Yemen.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 09:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Vancouver Olympics begin
- Oppose Not of international interest. -- tariqabjotu 04:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Uhh...Vancouver Olympics...sorry, should have wikilinked. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 04:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- umm...since this will be main news for the day for atleast 80 countries i am gonna give it obvious support. (change blurb as olympics progresses) -- Ashish-g55 04:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I know what you were talking about, but I don't see the relevance to the rest of the world outside North America. It's just a sports event. -- tariqabjotu 04:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Uhh...Vancouver Olympics...sorry, should have wikilinked. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 04:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support This is the Olympics, after all. Opening and closing of Olympic Games is listed on WP:ITN/R. Shouldn't go up just yet, until the opening ceremonies start, though. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support: As per ITN rules and has been regularly featured. --GPPande 08:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- The 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver are opened by Governor General Michaëlle Jean.
- We need to wait until 1800 PST (0200 UTC). Physchim62 (talk) 09:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Olympic highlights
On a related note, in 2008 there was a quick link at the bottom of the ITN box to the highlights of the Beijing Olympics. This worked very well; it resolved any issues over which events should be featured or not. Anybody could just follow the link and find a summary of that day's gold medallists, world records, etc. I've just created the page Chronological summary of the 2010 Winter Olympics, and this could go up tomorrow or later today, if there's consensus. Lampman (talk) 11:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
February 11
- A European Union summit takes place to discuss a possible bailout for Greece's economy. (Reuters) (The Guardian)
- The European Parliament rejects an agreement that would have granted the United States Terrorist Finance Tracking Program unlimited access to the SWIFT bank transactions database. (BBC News)
- Protests continue in Sri Lanka after the arrest of opposition candidate Sarath Fonseka. (AFP) (Bernama)
- British fashion designer Alexander McQueen is found dead at his home in London at the age of 40, on the eve of his mother's funeral, in an apparent suicide. (BBC News) (The Sydney Morning Herald) (The New York Times) (Irish Independent) (The New Zealand Herald)
- A court in Beijing upholds a sentence against Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo who was sentenced to 11 years imprisonment on charges of subversion. (Xinhua) (The Times) (Al Jazeera)
- Iran:
- President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announces that Iran is now a nuclear state, following a successful 20% uranium enrichment. (New York Times)
- Reformists clash with police forces in Iran, during protests held at the 31st anniversary of the overthrow of shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. (New York Times) (Al Jazeera)
- Sergey Aleynikov, a former computer programmer for Goldman Sachs, is indicted for three counts by a U.S. federal court in Manhattan for theft of trade secrets, transportation of stolen property in interstate and foreign commerce, and unauthorized computer access. (Wall Street Journal)
- Former U.S. President Bill Clinton has two coronary stents implanted in his heart at the NewYork–Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, after chest pains. (New York Times)
- Haiti announces that the 10 American missionaries accused of attempted kidnapping will be released from custody. (Sky News)
- A large eruption occurs at the Soufrière Hills volcano in Montserrat after a partial lava dome collapse, sending ash to a height of 50,000 feet. (Montserrat Volcano Obeservatory)
ITN candidates for February 11
Iran declares itself to be a nuclear state
The President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, declares his country is now a nuclear state, claiming his their nuclear programme had begun production of 20% highly enriched uranium.
- Iran has gone from 3.5% to 20% according to Ahmadinejad and their IAEA representative. This is described variously as a significant step in a weapons programme. Iran of course denies they are making a bomb, and that it is for a medical research reactor, however the Western world points out that, not only does Iran lack the ability to convert it to reactor fuel rods, you don't need such a high level of enrichment for this purpose. While 20% is not "weapons grade", it is according to our own enriched uranium article, the lowest band of "weapons usable" material, the starting point of the "highly enriched" grade, and is sufficient for crude weapons. According to the Times: Although weapons-grade uranium is 90 per cent enriched, the first stages of the process are the hardest and most time-consuming. The leap from 20 to 90 per cent is more rapidly bridged. All in all, this really should be a no-brainer in terms of international significance, especially compared to what's been on offer recently. MickMacNee (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Well, the headline above is misleading, as it ("Iran declaring itself a nuclear state) certainly has not happened.OK, upon reading the BBC article, apparently Ahmadinejad did say that. Hmm, I'd say keep an eye on this for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)- OpposeI think just by boosting, they cant become nuclear power. Cant post until they are recognized as such.--yousaf465' 08:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
SDO launches
- Solar Dynamics Observatory launches to study sun's dynamic behavior. -- Ashish-g55 04:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- article has been expanded/updated enough for ITN purposes. -- Ashish-g55 19:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's space, so how come it isn't up already? MickMacNee (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted Please, guys, please. -- tariqabjotu 23:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- support YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars photo poll) 06:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- What is up with you guys? Is it compulsory to have a NASA item on ITN as soon as previous one gets buried down? Lets balance. --GPPande 08:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
SWIFT deal
- Nom European Parliament blocks SWIFT deal BBC News. --bender235 (talk) 12:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Alexander McQueen
British fashion designer Alexander McQueen has died aged 40. BBC, The Daily Mail - JuneGloom07 Talk? 15:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support'. Leading international fashion designer. Struck down for what are presumed to be natural causes, but at the age of 40 and still in the creative part of his career. Physchim62 (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Suppport. Article will need some work though... HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article is OK: it gives background to McQueen's career (and also to the circumstances of his death, although that actually seems less relevant). I'd be happy to post it now. Physchim62 (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Whilst I also support, I don't know whether this can be put up when it still has a tag regarding the lead --Daviessimo (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I did notice the lead was quite short, but somehow I glossed over the presence of the tag when I decided to add it to ITN. Quick! Somebody fix it! -- tariqabjotu 18:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- The tag is yellow, not orange, and could be fixed by any editor who cared enough to tag it in the first place. The story should go back up if there is support, because you can be sure that there are people typing "Alexander McQueen" into the search box right now whether or not ther is a tag on the article. ITN is not a prize for editors, it is a tool for readers. Physchim62 (talk) 19:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's a terrible, terrible lead. It doesn't have to be award-winning, but it's basically the sentence that would be on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 19:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Whilst I also support, I don't know whether this can be put up when it still has a tag regarding the lead --Daviessimo (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article is OK: it gives background to McQueen's career (and also to the circumstances of his death, although that actually seems less relevant). I'd be happy to post it now. Physchim62 (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted -- tariqabjotu 19:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Perhaps I'm ignorant of fashion design (or fashion in general) but I just don't see this as that big a household name in fashion design, like Giorgio Armani, one of the Benetton family, or Calvin Klein. Plus, I find the article short of what I'd call adequate for a person whose death is notable enough for ITN (though I'd say that all the names I mentioned above had short articles, so perhaps WP covers fashion designers poorly). I know we judge it a bit differently when it's a death at a young age but still I'm gonna say strong oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just to point out, that if you scroll to the bottom of the article you'll see that as a 'Grand Couturier', Alexander McQueen was, within the fashion world, held with the same regard as people such as Armani. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't necessarily mean they are not notable --Daviessimo (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I saw that, but I think he should be held in regard outside the fashion world as well as within it. Perhaps he is. Plus, I don't think all those "grand Couturiers' mentioned would be automatically ITN worthy. And that still leaves the issue that the article isn't all that good. If this were the death of a British or American political figure being debated that article would be considered woefully insufficient for ITN.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I was aware, the death criteria does not state that a person has to be well known in the mainstream to go up, but rather they must be a leading figure within their chosen profession, which is true in this case. As for the article, I was never under the impression that only 'large' articles were allowed up when it was a death, as opposed to the normal criteria of a several sentence update with a number of references. Finally, with regards to who are the more notable of the world renowned designers, that is simply are matter of personal opinion. Surely you should be looking at this objectively? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article has issues, as have been pointed out above, and that's a perfectly objective observation. One aim of ITN is to showcase quality material. Plus, a decent article can be an indication of notability. That said, I have found front page coverage of this at El Pais, Al Jazeera, Le Monde, and the New York Times as well as top billing at the BBC, so I'll drop my opposition as far a notability is concerned; but I still maintain the article is inadequate as per objections already mentioned.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And, of course, I disagree in terms of quality. We have posted current-events articles with far less detail than this (like most of the articles on ITN right now). I think it's fine. -- tariqabjotu 20:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)x 2I also disagree, but would you care to elaborate? I'll be happy to do what I can to get it up to scratch but, being unfamiliar with subject, I can't see any fundamental issues with the article. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And, of course, I disagree in terms of quality. We have posted current-events articles with far less detail than this (like most of the articles on ITN right now). I think it's fine. -- tariqabjotu 20:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the article has issues, as have been pointed out above, and that's a perfectly objective observation. One aim of ITN is to showcase quality material. Plus, a decent article can be an indication of notability. That said, I have found front page coverage of this at El Pais, Al Jazeera, Le Monde, and the New York Times as well as top billing at the BBC, so I'll drop my opposition as far a notability is concerned; but I still maintain the article is inadequate as per objections already mentioned.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I was aware, the death criteria does not state that a person has to be well known in the mainstream to go up, but rather they must be a leading figure within their chosen profession, which is true in this case. As for the article, I was never under the impression that only 'large' articles were allowed up when it was a death, as opposed to the normal criteria of a several sentence update with a number of references. Finally, with regards to who are the more notable of the world renowned designers, that is simply are matter of personal opinion. Surely you should be looking at this objectively? --Daviessimo (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I saw that, but I think he should be held in regard outside the fashion world as well as within it. Perhaps he is. Plus, I don't think all those "grand Couturiers' mentioned would be automatically ITN worthy. And that still leaves the issue that the article isn't all that good. If this were the death of a British or American political figure being debated that article would be considered woefully insufficient for ITN.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just to point out, that if you scroll to the bottom of the article you'll see that as a 'Grand Couturier', Alexander McQueen was, within the fashion world, held with the same regard as people such as Armani. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't necessarily mean they are not notable --Daviessimo (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Perhaps I'm ignorant of fashion design (or fashion in general) but I just don't see this as that big a household name in fashion design, like Giorgio Armani, one of the Benetton family, or Calvin Klein. Plus, I find the article short of what I'd call adequate for a person whose death is notable enough for ITN (though I'd say that all the names I mentioned above had short articles, so perhaps WP covers fashion designers poorly). I know we judge it a bit differently when it's a death at a young age but still I'm gonna say strong oppose.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Removed for now in favor of
Sri Lankaworld's largest exporter,which is more important. Leave time for debate; this was posted a mere four hours after its nomination. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why can't both be put up? The bottom item has been up for 3 days and, let's be honest, people are always criticising ITN for its slow turnover, so surely this shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Exactly. Both can go up. There isn't sufficient dissent for this to be a case of "remove until there's consensus". -- tariqabjotu 20:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It was posted quickly because it was updated quickly, even if there was a last minute scramble to bash the lead into shape. Removing one valid blurb in favour of an older one seems nonsensical to me. Surely the oldest on the template should be removed if you're worried about balance?? The Sri Lanka item, "way more important" as it may be (I don't disagree with you), was not updated substantially enough for ITN until recently, which, from following the discussion, is the only reason it wasn't posted earlier. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And why it still shouldn't have been posted, and why ed removed it himself. Also not sure about putting lists on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 20:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I wont' comment on it being posted and removed but why dont' we wait a bit on this and get some more opinions, and perhaps improve the article?--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- And why it still shouldn't have been posted, and why ed removed it himself. Also not sure about putting lists on ITN. -- tariqabjotu 20:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- (5x e/c) Question: how exactly is this man different from the rejected Ali Dizaei below? I, for one, am not convinced that this man's death is important enough to receive a mention on ITN. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Man, this is a fast moving situation! Sorry if I've haven't kept up but my earlier objections were based on previous states of the article--it looks ok now. I drop my objections, though for what it's worth I guess I'm biased against having a fashion designer on ITN but that's not an objective point. My apologies.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Well one difference is that Ali Dizaei didn't die. We have death criteria, and this fits under "2. The deceased was a very important figure in their field of expertise, and was recognised as such." Also, considering some of the older criteria, he died unexpectedly. You may not have heard of him; fine. Neither have I. But it's quite clear he's a very important figure in his field of expertise, he died unexpectedly, and the item itself has support for going on ITN. It has been adequately updated and the article is of decent quality and length, in my opinion. Seems good enough. Lastly, I must say I think it's a bit improper of you to remove an item from ITN based on no one's objection but your own. -- tariqabjotu 20:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ed if you are not convinced that this man's death is important then you should discuss it here just like everyone else. Just because you are admin does not mean you can just remove items you dont like. i dont see that much opposition here to make it such that it needed to be removed. This defeats the whole purpose of everyone talking here if admins can remove and add whenever they want. btw i dont have any objections either (PS: can we look at other nominations too please.) -- Ashish-g55 20:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- It was posted quickly because it was updated quickly, even if there was a last minute scramble to bash the lead into shape. Removing one valid blurb in favour of an older one seems nonsensical to me. Surely the oldest on the template should be removed if you're worried about balance?? The Sri Lanka item, "way more important" as it may be (I don't disagree with you), was not updated substantially enough for ITN until recently, which, from following the discussion, is the only reason it wasn't posted earlier. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, I read about him a few hours ago and I trust he hasn't become any less significant since then. Just in case I've had a quick look again and found these. The Sydney Morning Herald says "the fashion world's leading voices have paid tribute". According to The New York Times, "Throughout Thursday, reports of the suicide of Alexander McQueen, the dark star of international fashion, had swirled across the Internet, a medium that the brilliant British creator had embraced with vigor". According to the Irish Independent, "Just one month before he was due to unveil his new collection at Paris fashion week we’ve lost one of the greatest visionaries in fashion". The New Zealand Herald says it is "a tragedy for the fashion industry". --candle•wicke 21:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- I just wanted to come by and drop in my belated support for featuring this article. An extremely important figure, and good to counter systemic bias. (We have way too many male-centric "trivial" topics like sports and not enough female-centric "trivial" things like fashion.) I don't think we've ever had anything related to fashion in ITN before. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Tough one. He was no Vivienne Westwood that's for sure. He was well known in fashion, but a nobody outside of it. There are already complaints on the Main Page for posting this item. MickMacNee (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. A nobody that 99% of the world never heard of. Woogee (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I certainly had heard of him, and I don't care about high-fashion at all. He's not a nobody by any stretch. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- If you look at the List of grands couturiers, you'll see that there are almost a hundred listed, so this in itself doesn't seem to establish notability. On the other hand, it should be said that McQueen was one of only eleven listed under "Fashion" in the list of important living people, which was created exactly with situations like this in mind. Of course this list has simply been put together by a few editors, and is in no way definitive. There are certainly arguments both ways, but I lean towards oppose, for the following reason: Even though the subject was not highly notable outside of his narrow field of work, media coverage of his death gives the impression that he was. The reason for this is that the occasion gives the media a chance to name-drop celebrities, and print pictures of supermodels like Naomi Campbell and Kate Moss, thereby maximising page views. This brings out the most tabloidy side even in serious news sources (example from the Los Angeles Times), but since Wikipedia is not meant to be a tabloid, we shouldn't have to follow suit. Lampman (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I certainly had heard of him, and I don't care about high-fashion at all. He's not a nobody by any stretch. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strongly opposed Fashion designers, by their nature, get noticed by many so-called celebrities, which then gets picked up by the media. This doesn't make the death significant, and I don't see the great significance needed to post a death. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strongly opposed : what that news ? that's just a fashion guy. Is this guy death more significant than China becoming the 1st world exporter ? ITN work in a really strange way today. Yug (talk) 05:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support -- fits in any death criteria ITN has had used. –Howard the Duck 05:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose: Does not fit death criteria. No major international impact. Fashion designers, celebrities are just news makers. --GPPande 09:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Eruption at Soufriere Hills volcano
- Rather large eruption, sending ash to 50,000 feet, dropping ash on Guadeloupe, and disrupting area flights. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 22:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Any human casualties? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
February 10
- Hundreds of Somali citizens flee the capital Mogadishu as hundreds of insurgents enter the city ahead of a government announcement of an offensive against them. (BBC) (News24.com)[permanent dead link]
- Frank Bainimarama, leader of the 2006 Fijian coup d'état and current Prime Minister of Fiji, announces that he will retire in 2014. The report is denied by Fiji's Permanent Secretary for Information. (RNZI)
- The Court of Appeal of England and Wales rules that open air funeral pyres can be accommodated under the 1902 Cremation Act as amended. (BBC)
- A 3.8-magnitude earthquake strikes near Chicago, United States. No reports of major damage. (CNN)
- Officials in Haiti state that at least 230,000 people died in the 2010 Haiti earthquake, but that number may yet grow, approaching the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake as the deadliest natural disaster of the 21st century thus far. (BBC)
- Vice President Goodluck Jonathan is appointed acting President of Nigeria in place of Umaru Yar'Adua. (NEXT) (AllAfrica.com) (BBC)
- Nationwide strikes led by Communist and Socialist parties take place in Greece to protest the government's handing of the country's debt. Most of the country was brought to a standstill as factories, schools, airports and hospitals closed down or reduced capacity (BBC) (Deutsche Welle) (Al Jazeera)
- Prominent Uzbek photographer Umida Akhmedova is found guilty on charges of "slandering the nation" in her work, but is immediately pardoned under an amnesty. (BBC) (The Moscow Times)
- Afghan officials report that at least 150 bodies were pulled from vehicles buried by avalanches in the Salang Pass in the Hindu Kush mountains earlier this week. (UPI.com)
ITN candidates for February 10
2010 East Texas Church Burnings
"The blaze was one in a string of 11 fires in east Texas churches this year. 8 have been ruled arson" "We certainly can connect several of them" said ATF Tom Crowley [1]
A serial arsonist who burns 11 churchs in a matter of weeks seems to be newsworthy. --Dashbullder (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose not significant enough. Serial arsons happen every few years, it seems like, so it's not out of the ordinary. ~DC Talk To Me 02:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- A person or group setting fire to almost a dozen churchs in weeks is waaaaaaaay out of the ordinary. --Dashbullder (talk) 02:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article is being considered for deletion, and is definitley not up to scratch for ITN. It does sound interesting potentially, but definitely oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose There are tons of serial robbers, rapists etc out there. Luckily they can't affect the world that much except the people they directly attack, unlike political violence. YellowMonkey (Southern Stars photo poll) 06:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Google Buzz
New social networking feature on Gmail. Only if it's a slow news day. username 1 (talk) 20:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed because 1) it's not a slow news day, and 2) all the same reasons we declined the iPad, putting this on the main page is little more than a free ad for Google. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. We can't post every new feature on Google (or any, perhaps).--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Nanjing host city of the 2014 Youth Olympics
The International Olympic Committee elects Nanjing as the host city for the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics, the second Olympic Games in China.
- I think this is significant so early after Beijing 2008 ... Hektor (talk) 20:55, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is the youth olympics, not that big of a deal.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose the bidding is nowhere near even the levels for a World Champs in athletics or swimming, let alone the football world cup or the Olympics, with all the iconic politicians being wheeled out YellowMonkey (Southern Stars photo poll) 06:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed though Singapore might prove me way off base, at the time I don't think these games are going to be all that significant; at best equal to the FINA World Championships or equivalent. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Funeral pyres are declared legal in England and Wales
After a judicial review, the Court of Appeal of England and Wales rules that open air funeral pyres, banned since 1930, are infact legal under the Cremation Act if held within an appropriate structure.
- A landmark legal ruling with cross-continental implications for Sikhs and Hindus with connections to England and Wales, of which there are millions. MickMacNee (talk) 15:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Indifferent Although this isn't important news, it is interesting and it somehow "feels" important on an ineffable level, meaning: funeral rituals are a very deep-rooted component of cultural identity, and this change is a very big change, almost like a paradigm shift. __meco (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Similar reaction to meco above. I'd like to wait and see what kind of reactions there are (so far I'm not aware of any) which might indicate its significance.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support this has had news coverage here in the UK and is fairly important. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Similar reaction to meco above. I'd like to wait and see what kind of reactions there are (so far I'm not aware of any) which might indicate its significance.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Goodluck Jonathan named acting president of Nigeria
Goodluck Jonathan has been named acting president of Nigeria in place of the ailing Umaru Yar'Adua.1, 2, 3.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Long running story that has been going on since before Christmas, and finally seems to be reaching a resolution. Physchim62 (talk) 11:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - This story has been going on for months. Deserves additional coverage as this is Africa's most populated nation. Scanlan (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, This mess started back in November, and this is de facto a change in head of state. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support as nominator. I believe this qualifies as an ITNR event as a change of head of state.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, This mess started back in November, and this is de facto a change in head of state. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support'. Improvement will come when the article will be ITN. Yug (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - This story has been going on for months. Deserves additional coverage as this is Africa's most populated nation. Scanlan (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article still needs to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted It looks adequately updated now. -- tariqabjotu 19:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
February 9
- Conrad Murray, Michael Jackson's doctor pleads not guilty in death of the star. (WSJ) (Washingtonpost) (FOX)
- The campaign period for the Philippine general election, 2010 begins. (BBC)
- The recently-elected President of Sri Lanka Mahinda Rajapaksa dissolves his country's parliament one day after the arrest of Sarath Fonseka. (BBC)
- The Italian Embassy in Iran is attacked by protesters unhappy with Italy's decision to scale back economic dealings and push for tighter sanctions and protests are also held outside French and Dutch embassies. (The Jerusalem Post)
- Andal Ampatuan Jr., former ally of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, and 196 other people are charged with murder in the Philippines, in connection with the Maguindanao massacre in November 2009. (ABS-CBN News) (AFP)
- China sentences Tan Zuoren, who investigated poor construction after the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, to five years in prison for "inciting subversion of state power". (BBC) (The Washington Post) (Radio Television Hong Kong)
ITN candidates for February 9
China replaces Germany as the World's top exporter
Sometime ago lot of poeple supported it when it was said China would likely be the no.1 exporter. Well now, Germany releases their data and its confirmed. A monumental event in world trade and one that is likely is likely not to change for as far as the eye can see. New York Times [2] AFP [3] Wall Street Jornal [4] FT [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.63.73 (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I quite like this story, economics doesn't often make it to the main page. I guess the article is at List of countries by exports but I wouldn't want to post it whilst it is tagged for updates. Support once article is improved - Dumelow (talk) 11:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak support on a "why not?" basis. The news hardly strikes me as earth-shattering, but it's harmless and, as Dumelow points out, we rarely get economics stories through ITN so this one should have its chance. Physchim62 (talk) 13:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Africa topping one billion was opposed as being entirely predictable - well this event was also entirely predictable. It's not even as permanent as suggested, it only occured due to the western recession, which Germany is already exitting. Germany is even money to regain top spot if anybody ever gets around to forcing China to adopt the laws German industry has to abide by. MickMacNee (talk) 15:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This is almost a watershed-size shift in international economic relations. I supported this story before Germany had released confirming data and I firmly support it now. __meco (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Significant. Yug (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 20:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Sri Lanka
The parliament has been dissolved. Discussion had already been occurring under "General Fonseka arrested".
- General Fonseka arrested
- Retired General Sarath Fonseka, defeated Presidential election candidate, is arrested
- As far as Asian countries with law of the jungle, where opposition are routinely thrown in jail on trumped up charges, he may as well as already have been found guilty. And he isn't just a normal politician either, as he gained national fame/honour for finishing off the Tamil Tigers. Imagine Eisenhower losing the 1952 election and getting tossed in jail by Adlai E Stevenson a few days later. This is basically a reverse-military coup YellowMonkey (bananabucket!) 03:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Why Sri Lanka? This sort of thing happens all too often in various corners of the world. Physchim62 (talk) 11:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: It's not very often that a country arrests its former commander of the army and chief of defence staff. He has been arrested by the army and not the police, and will face a court martial,[6] and I'm sure such an officer does not often get court martialed either. The charges seem to be revealing military secrets and being involved in politics while in office (both of which he has done afaik) so as YellowMonkey said, the result is obvious. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- 'Strong support after the verdict is given. There is no question that this is important. We'd just have to wait. I'm not sure about Sri Lanka's military justice, but military trials are quite quick. –Howard the Duck 12:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Support for arrest news. General Fonseka is no other opposition candidate. He was chief of Lankan military and has played pivotal role in defeat of LTTE. He has made a big impact on history of island nation. He is surely the greatest general Lanka had in recent times. His arrest news deserves more attention for sure. --GPPande 12:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)b
- 'Sri Lanka has dissolved its parliament in the aftermath. I'm not sure what article to link to but something connected to this should definitely be posted.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:15, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support even though Parliament had to be dissolved this year, this appears to be a developing constitutional near-crisis when the arrest of the opposition candidate is added to the mix. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- So, which is the story here, and what article(s) has/have been updated? -- tariqabjotu 20:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- From the Portal:
The recently-elected President of Sri Lanka Mahinda Rajapaksa dissolves his country's parliament one day after the arrest of Sarath Fonseka.
Sarath Fonseka in bold? --candle•wicke 21:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)- Considering the dissolution of parliament is the focus of the blurb, and, in my opinion, the main part of story, I think Parliament of Sri Lanka needs to be updated too before this goes on ITN. That article doesn't even mention the dissolution; we shouldn't be a fact on the Main Page that is not apparently mentioned in any article on Wikipedia. -- tariqabjotu 22:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- From the Portal:
- Support. Far from an everyday event. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 21:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support this is a pretty unusual occurrence.Wikireader41 (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- So, which is the story here, and what article(s) has/have been updated? -- tariqabjotu 20:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Why is this still not posted???? --GPPande 09:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, at least DYK is always on time. <snickers> –Howard the Duck 10:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- DYK has an adminbot... Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, at least DYK is always on time. <snickers> –Howard the Duck 10:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- No one appears to have updated an article with info on the dissolution yet - Dumelow (talk) 11:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Article Sarath Fonseka is accurately updated. Check the lines in header along with sections After Presidential Election 2010 and Arrest. Lets put the news of arrest right away. No more delays please. --GPPande 12:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the dissolution is a major part of the story here and would like to see an update for that. I certainly won't post the above proposed blurb without it being backed up by an article - Dumelow (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think arrest of Sarath Fonseka deserves to be on ITN. That was the original proposal and the article nicely updated. Use any blurb as you deem fit but PLEASE post the arrest news. --GPPande 13:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Wikipedia in general (and ITN in particular) is not the place to fight RL political battles. Nobody has yet answered my question above: why should we post another piece about Sri Lankan politics? We don't post the various measures taken against Aung San Suu Kyi, for example, or the current sodomy trial against Anwar Ibrahim. Physchim62 (talk) 13:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "another"? When was this on ITN earlier? Nobody here is pro or anti Fonseka. It is an important event in the country and so deserves to be on ITN. Regarding news about other folks you are talking about - I think I saw a few entries of Aung San Su Kyi in ITN few weeks back. You can always nominate them. But it cannot be an argument for your oppose. --GPPande 13:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Wikipedia in general (and ITN in particular) is not the place to fight RL political battles. Nobody has yet answered my question above: why should we post another piece about Sri Lankan politics? We don't post the various measures taken against Aung San Suu Kyi, for example, or the current sodomy trial against Anwar Ibrahim. Physchim62 (talk) 13:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think arrest of Sarath Fonseka deserves to be on ITN. That was the original proposal and the article nicely updated. Use any blurb as you deem fit but PLEASE post the arrest news. --GPPande 13:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think the dissolution is a major part of the story here and would like to see an update for that. I certainly won't post the above proposed blurb without it being backed up by an article - Dumelow (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Article Sarath Fonseka is accurately updated. Check the lines in header along with sections After Presidential Election 2010 and Arrest. Lets put the news of arrest right away. No more delays please. --GPPande 12:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- The article Sarath Fonseka has a citations tag, a BLP tag and a NPOV tag. I believe ITN rules require these be fixed before posting? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is not in the article section of interest here. --GPPande 13:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- The entire article should be in good shape if it goes up on the front page. Wouldn't we look good, putting up an article that is in violation of two of the five pillars, as well as a third highly important policy? There's no hurry and this is a sensitive topic that can't be biased. It should be fixed IMO. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is not in the article section of interest here. --GPPande 13:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opppose. Not exactly remarkable or unexpected. Possibly add as background to the inevitable election result posting. MickMacNee (talk) 15:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. As the was in Sri Lanka has been well covered in international media, this incident seems to me important enough to feature on ITN. __meco (talk) 18:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Arrest with freedom activists and foreign power worry about this issue. why this isn't post yet ? Yug (talk) 16:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Winter storms
Target page: The Eastern United States is hit by a second blizzard. username 1 (talk) 18:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Not as major, record-breaking, or notable as the last one. We will also have tomatoes thrown at us if we post this. -- tariqabjotu 20:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- More likely snowballs would be thrown :D. (oppose)--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed not as significant as the prior one. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- More likely snowballs would be thrown :D. (oppose)--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Columbian Drug Bust
- According to this, this is being described as "the biggest anti-drugs operation in a decade" in what is one of the most notorious drug producing nations. Not sure where the update would go, but the article mentions Mexican drug cartels so possibly in Mexican Drug War or alternatively the Illegal drug trade in Colombia --Daviessimo (talk) 15:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Ukraine elections
Why isn't this on the mainpage yet? Various important sources give the winner. This should be important enough for the mainpage. Nergaal (talk) 14:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Is the article fully updated. The results table for the second round does not have any figures as of yet and it states at the bottom that whilst the lead is statistically insurmountable, Tymoshenko has as of yet not conceded --Daviessimo (talk) 15:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's a difficult one because policy is to wait for the official result or at least a certain result. It's pretty certain who has the most votes currently but there seems to be a real chance that Tymoshenko will challenge the results.1. I'd say wait a bit.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Is the article fully updated. The results table for the second round does not have any figures as of yet and it states at the bottom that whilst the lead is statistically insurmountable, Tymoshenko has as of yet not conceded --Daviessimo (talk) 15:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. --candle•wicke 22:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. This should definitely go up. __meco (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Avalanches
At least 28 people are dead and 1,500 are stranded in a series of avalanches in Afghanistan. — Cargoking talk 11:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Or indeed more than 60. Perhaps could combine it with the flooding which has killed and injured even more in the south of the country. This is serious enough. It has also closed the Salang tunnel if that makes it more important. Support. --candle•wicke 20:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps the Salang tunnel could be updated if there is no new article. --candle•wicke 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've done it myself.
As many as 64 people are killed and around 400 are injured as 17 avalanches trap motorists around the Salang tunnel.
--candle•wicke 21:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've done it myself.
- Perhaps the Salang tunnel could be updated if there is no new article. --candle•wicke 20:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose more than that probably die daily due to the war. Nergaal (talk) 03:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support this seems pretty significant, especially now the death toll has been revised to "at least 150". Hundreds more are still trapped and 2,500 have already been rescued - Dumelow (talk) 11:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
EU Commission
The new members of the European Commission are expected to be approved by the European Parliament at a vote in Strasbourg this morning. — Cargoking talk 10:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support since a new cabinet of the U.S. would automatically go up on the mainpage. Nergaal (talk) 23:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed; I can't find any record of ITN posting a new U.S. cabinet, and I don't believe it would go up. Recurring, expected change, no different than the AU leadership change we turned town last week. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Jacko's doc charged
- Dr. Conrad Murray, physician to Michael Jackson, charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with Jackson's death. (Radar online, NowPublic)
- Oppose the rule of the thumb here is to wait until court proceedings finish, not start. Not sure it's notable enough anyway ~DC Talk To Me 00:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. As DC says, convention is to post verdicts, not charges. Considering it's only an involuntary manslaughter charge, though, I doubt I'd support the verdict. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 00:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per above —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed, Wikipedia is not people's tabloid. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
France-Russia arms deal
(BBC) France has agreed to sell an amphibious assault ship of the Mistral class to the Russians, with Russia wanting at least three more. This is the first arms deal between Russia and a NATO member. The US Department of Defense apparently has "questions" about the sale - Dumelow (talk) 00:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - "first arms deal between Russia and a NATO member". Interesting... I would be rather scared and very angry if I were one of the small former Soviet republic states on the Baltic or Black Seas. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support (but wait til Russia approves). Blurb needs to mention that it's the first arms deal between a NATO member and Russia ~DC Talk To Me 05:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I know the first arms sale between a Nato member and Russia sounds signficicant but it's just an arms sale and I haven't seen the kind of reactions or immediate effects that would make it notable. Oppose--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support it actually caught my attention in the newspaper, which is an achievement given my age. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 20:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
17 Indian army personnel killed
An avalanche has killed 17 Indian Army personnel and injured 17 more in Kashmir (BBC). They are not exactly uncommon there but this is "one of the deadliest to occur in the region in recent years" - Dumelow (talk) 00:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. --candle•wicke 20:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Combine with the bit above about avalanches and flooding in Afghanistan. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 20:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)c
February 8
- Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir could still face charges of genocide in Darfur. (BBC)
- Dr. Conrad Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in pop singer Michael Jackson's death.(BBC)
- The sodomy trial of Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim is halted after his lawyers attempt to have the judge removed. (Bernama) (Al Jazeera) (UPI)
- Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych appears to win the 2010 presidential election, with 98% of the ballots counted. (Kyiv Post) (The New York Times) (The Hindu)
- At least 17 Indian soldiers are killed in an avalanche in Kashmir. (Indian Express) (BBC)
- Space Shuttle Endeavour launches successfully from Kennedy Space Center at 4:14 EST, marking the beginning of STS-130, a two-week mission to the International Space Station. (UPI)
- The World Health Organisation confirms that a cholera outbreak which has spread along the north coast of Papua New Guinea has hit more than 2,000 people, killing around 50 of them. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- A colony of Galapagos Islands sea lions relocate 1,500 kilometres, the first time they have set up a colony outside the islands. (BBC)
- The Boeing 747-8 takes its maiden flight, lasting just under four hours.
- A series of avalanches at the Salang tunnel in Afghanistan is presumed to kill 64 people, with at least 400 injuries reported. (The New York Times) (Toronto Sun)
- Reform of the banking system was one of the key themes at this year’s World Economic Forum in Davos. European Parliament Vice-President Silvana Koch-Mehrin said "There was general disapproval of the disproportionate self-rewarding in the banking sector". (Gov Monitor)
ITN candidates for February 8
Ali Dizaei
What do people think about this in terms of notability. He was a commander in the Met, which is a pretty senior role, and has been convicted or a pretty serious offence. Thoughts? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Commander is not that senior (5th highest in the met) and one officer being convicted of "abuse in a public office" is not that significant in the grand scheme of things. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, to clarify, I was stating seniority on the basis that he holds a high enough rank to be part of the Association of Chief Police Officers, which probably consists of the 100 most senior police officers in the whole of the UK, rather than his positional rank within the Met --Daviessimo (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Commander is not that senior (5th highest in the met) and one officer being convicted of "abuse in a public office" is not that significant in the grand scheme of things. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 20:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose To quote HJ, this conviction is "not that significant in the grand scheme of things". Loads of high-ranking police officers around the world have been convicted for criminal activities. HonouraryMix (talk) 23:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed same reasoning as HJ Mitchell. Neither all that significant or (unfortunately) unique. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, after reading in the non-British, non-European, non-Northern Hemisphere Sydney Morning Herald that this man is "the highest ranking officer in 33 years to be convicted of a criminal offence", "was once hailed as a role model for ethnic minority officers and even mentioned as a possible future head of the force", "tried to counter misconduct allegations by accusing his force of racism", was "an outspoken critic of the police on race, leader of the National Black Police Association and a figure in a race war that erupted at the top of Scotland Yard in 2008", was previously "cleared of criminal charges in 2003 and returned to duty although Scotland Yard suspected him of serious offences" and MI5 considered him "a danger to national security" (although he considered himself "untouchable"). I suppose this is all rather serious. --candle•wicke 21:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Ukraine Elections
- Multiple sources appear to give the winner as Yanukovych [7] [8][9]. I think it is worth putting it up and alter it if new information comes up. Nergaal (talk) 17:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it seems like a mathematical certainty now: the difference is over 800,000 votes, with fewer than 150,000 votes left to count (Ukrainian Central Election Commission). How's the article looking? Physchim62 (talk) 18:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Franco Ballerini
- Double winner in Paris-Roubaix cycling race (in 1995 and 1998) dies after a rally crash. - TouLouse (talk) 11:05, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not a major sporting figure. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Concur with Wizardman. ~DC Talk To Me 18:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed for much the same reasons as Wizardman. Two-time winner of a race few have even heard of will be of little interest. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Galapagos Islands
Some earth-shattering news now from the Galapagos Islands, experts are saying that this has never happened before. Charles Darwin will be spinning in his grave. --candle•wicke 04:15, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Erm, how did the sea lions get to the Galapagos in the first place? I doubt they flew business class... Physchim62 (talk) 08:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting, but I can't say it's ITN material. SpencerT♦Nominate! 23:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Physchim, I think that there are a separate species of sea lions that only live on the islands (well, used to only live there). —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - seems similar to the Tasmanian devil face cancer we had a little bit ago. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 05:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Charles McArther Emmanuel
Son of the President, has been ordered to pay more than $22m (£14m) to five people tortured during a civil war. Thye claimed they were "held in pits in the jungle that were filled chest-high with water, had been exposed to electric shocks to the genitals and other body parts and had witnessed the killing of others by the paramilitaries". --candle•wicke 04:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed; Son of a former president, already in prison for these acts, and a civil case finds him civilly liable? Doesn't appear to have the importance of some of the other stories we're considering at the moment. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Re-election of Peter Obi
It is a "most politically turbulent state" of several million people and there are complaints that it has been "marred by widespread irregularities", a few "hiccups" of which the government has admitted. Voters were intimidated and harrassed, some names were not on the electoral register, ballot boxes were stolen. All the other parties have rejected the result. --candle•wicke 02:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Anyone? --candle•wicke 03:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Didn't we featured the recent U.S by polls ?--yousaf465' 07:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- We featured the U.S. by-election because it changed the balance of power nationally. This is an interesting case, however. I'd lean towards weakly supporting this if/when the article gets some more work. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose not really significant. We shouldn't be tricked into supporting something by the hyperbole news outlets use. ~DC Talk To Me 18:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not a significant figure outside Nigeria (also some actual info in the nomination would have been good) Modest Genius talk 19:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- We featured the U.S. by-election because it changed the balance of power nationally. This is an interesting case, however. I'd lean towards weakly supporting this if/when the article gets some more work. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Didn't we featured the recent U.S by polls ?--yousaf465' 07:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Results of Super Bowl XLIV...
...When the game is over. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 00:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- ITN/R event. It might be worth trying to come up with a blurb now so that it can be posted as soon as it finishes (and the article is updated), note that we don't normally post the final scores on the main page (just x beats y) - Dumelow (talk) 00:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
X beats Y in Super Bowl XIV.
Simple. :-) --candle•wicke 01:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)- please do not post till article has been updated properly. admins please check for updates in article first. thanks -- Ashish-g55 02:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'd imagine the "X beats Y in Super Bowl XLIV" would be barraged with complaints on context.
- As for speed of update, the people there know the rules in updating it should be ITN ready by the time the trophy is presented. –Howard the Duck 02:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- "New Orleans Saints beat the Indianapolis Colts in Super Bowl XLIV." when the article is updated. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 02:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I think it'd be best to add "In American football" to the beginning, and maybe a line about the MVP. --PlasmaTwa2 02:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Concur with Plasma on both. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- There's no way the MVP is going on ITN. Anyway, the article needs to at least be put in past tense before it goes up; most of it still reads like it's happening in the future. -- tariqabjotu 02:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- (7x EC) I'd prefer "In American football, the New Orleans Saints defeat the Indianapolis Colts 31–17 in Super Bowl XLIV at Miami." (I was considering appending "United States" after Miami but it's redundant to have both "American" and "United States" in one sentence.) The MVP can be added if we have a free pic of him. –Howard the Duck 03:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- And "Miami" probably won't be going up either... it's not like we haven't posted the Super Bowl before. The wording is pretty standard. -- tariqabjotu 03:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- please do not post till article has been updated properly. admins please check for updates in article first. thanks -- Ashish-g55 02:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
←Well, the game's over now. Why not "X beats Y in Super Bowl XLIV with Z becoming the game's MVP"? fetchcomms☛ 03:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Why the hurry? Better to get it right. If you're going to put in the awards and everything else you might as well mention The Who as well. It might make it more interesting for anyone who doesn't follow the sport.
X beats Y in Super Bowl XLIV with Z becoming the game's MVP and The Who performing during the game.
--candle•wicke 03:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)- I'm still seeing some future tenses so this definitely isn't ready. --candle•wicke 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- The Who can't perform the game, the players will be distracted and The Who will be hit by flying bodies and pigskin. All we need is an update and a reference. That's what I did at the Grammy Awards. –Howard the Duck 03:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea what you mean. Where are the dead people coming from? --candle•wicke 03:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- The Who will be tackled if they performed during the game, or when the game was ongoing, ball is in play, and after the performance their bodies will ache like hell. –Howard the Duck 03:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
X beats Y in Super Bowl XLIV with Z becoming the game's MVP and The Who performing at some point when the game was not ongoing.
Or something to that effect. I'm sure someone will be able to insert a technical term. --candle•wicke 03:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)- Why are should we include The Who again? –Howard the Duck 03:38, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Halftime, Candlewicke. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 03:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Was this performance not as good as the last time they played? I thought those shows were considered important too and since everything else is included why not? --candle•wicke 03:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- The Who will be tackled if they performed during the game, or when the game was ongoing, ball is in play, and after the performance their bodies will ache like hell. –Howard the Duck 03:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea what you mean. Where are the dead people coming from? --candle•wicke 03:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- The Who can't perform the game, the players will be distracted and The Who will be hit by flying bodies and pigskin. All we need is an update and a reference. That's what I did at the Grammy Awards. –Howard the Duck 03:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm still seeing some future tenses so this definitely isn't ready. --candle•wicke 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
My proposed wording: The New Orleans Saints win their first National Football League title by defeating the Indianapolis Colts, 31-17, in Super Bowl XLIV. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Details can be left for when people click the article. Why not just:
- The New Orleans Saints defeat the Indianapolis Colts in Super Bowl XLIV by a score of 31-17. --Jayron32 04:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- That's still too much detail. --candle•wicke 04:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, Jayron's version. Or possibly with "In American football," in front for our foreign friends. Oppose, mentioning the Who or the MVP or the number of titles won. Dragons flight (talk) 04:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Article looks ok now. Support' Jayron's version.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted with a link to American football and to Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award -- the latter is a featured list and it's not like the sentence was too long. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Also some sections do not have even one citation, such as "New Orleans second drive", "Indianapolis second drive", "Second quarter", "Fourth quarter", "Pro Bowl changes", "New Orleans Saints", "Playoffs", "Officials", "United States", "Pregame". And I was overlooking the many other (quite large) sections with only one citation. Surely we should expect higher quality for such a popular event? --candle•wicke 04:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- All we need is an update with an appropriate reference. I cringe at the people who tried every trick in the book to postopone this addition. –Howard the Duck 09:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- You mean like you, who, every time a sport is put up that you don't like (like the Champions League Final) immediately starts pointing out reasons why it shouldn't be put up! Pot. Kettle. Black --Daviessimo (talk) 09:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- FYI, I fought for the inclusion of the FA Cup Final when the new Wembley opened and Chelsea And ManUtd. played, and the 2007 AFC Asian Cup; both are association football events. Dunno where that "pot meet kettle" accusation came from. –Howard the Duck 12:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- The UEFA Champions League article had serious issues: the entire match section was a copyvio, which was even worse than an unreferenced section! My opposition then was way more valid than the delaying tactics employed by the people here. –Howard the Duck 12:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delaying tactics? It was two hours. Most ITN stories wait far longer than that for them to go up, and there is nothing wrong with ensuring the articles we feature on our Main Page are of decent quality and relevance, especially when there is such a wealth of information available on the Super Bowl. -- tariqabjotu 13:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- If Ed didn't add it we would still be discussing about having refs to the "background" section which is not really needed -- at least for ITN purposes. –Howard the Duck 14:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Um... no, we wouldn't. I don't know what section you're reading, but half the discussion here is about how to phrase the item on the Main Page. Hardly delaying tactics, hardly trying every trick in the book to postpone this addition. The only thing beyond that is a bit of concern that the article still read like the Super Bowl hadn't happened yet (which is kind of a big issue) and you trying to be funny by saying The Who can't perform during the game. It's unclear who exactly you're talking about, but I think it's very insulting that you think anybody's input here had ulterior motives. Again, it was two hours; maybe without Ed it would have been two and a half. -- tariqabjotu 14:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- If Ed didn't add it we would still be discussing about having refs to the "background" section which is not really needed -- at least for ITN purposes. –Howard the Duck 14:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Delaying tactics? It was two hours. Most ITN stories wait far longer than that for them to go up, and there is nothing wrong with ensuring the articles we feature on our Main Page are of decent quality and relevance, especially when there is such a wealth of information available on the Super Bowl. -- tariqabjotu 13:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- I can point out that this person will always be me when it comes to article quality, and after looking, the Super Bowl article could use a couple more refs (but still stay on ITN). SpencerT♦Nominate! 12:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Howard, I was in particular referring to last seasons Champions league final when you suggested the article should come down because it had been put up without a referenced update. Yet here, you are criticising the very editors who are doing to same with this article (i.e. suggesting that as a main page item it needs more references). Hence the Pot. Kettle. Black remark --Daviessimo (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, well, there are plenty more similar problems. Serena Williams had to wait twelve hours to be put up, despite an admirable update: Roger Federer was put up in less than six hours with an update that we'd usually refuse and the update for the 2010 Africa Cup of Nations was little more than the final score. The question of updates on sporting articles (and in general) in one that needs resolving, but the Super Bowl is not the time to do it. Physchim62 (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- You mean like you, who, every time a sport is put up that you don't like (like the Champions League Final) immediately starts pointing out reasons why it shouldn't be put up! Pot. Kettle. Black --Daviessimo (talk) 09:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- All we need is an update with an appropriate reference. I cringe at the people who tried every trick in the book to postopone this addition. –Howard the Duck 09:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Irish National Liberation Army decommissions
The INLA, responsible for the murders of 120 people, including MP Airey Neave and the Droppin Well bombing, is expected to be confirmed to have decommissioned its weapons by the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning (IICD). The move comes a day before the IICD is due to disband and a deadline expires that would have seen any remaining armed groups treated as criminals rather than remnants of Troubles-related organisations. (BBC) - Dumelow (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I think we should post it. Northern Ireland issue seems to be cooling down.--yousaf465' 03:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- No announcement has been made yet but it is expected at some point today. I will try to update the article later (I am out all day so it may be a while) - Dumelow (talk) 08:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Significant step in the peace process. Hopefully. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 17:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- It has been confirmed. I didn't get around to it today, hopefully tomorrow (if nobody beats me to it) - Dumelow (talk) 00:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have added the latest info (not much, most was already there). How about: "The Irish National Liberation Army, a republican paramilitary group in Northern Ireland, is confirmed by the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning to have decommissioned all of its weapons." (taken mainly from the last decommissioning we had, that of the UDA) - Dumelow (talk) 10:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Two others have decommissioned as well: "The republican Irish National Liberation Army and Official IRA and the loyalist UDA South East Antrim Brigade paramilitary groups of Northern Ireland, are confirmed to have decommissioned their weapons by the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning". How is that? Could use another opinion on this one, in the meantime I will try to improve the updates to the articles - Dumelow (talk) 16:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have added the latest info (not much, most was already there). How about: "The Irish National Liberation Army, a republican paramilitary group in Northern Ireland, is confirmed by the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning to have decommissioned all of its weapons." (taken mainly from the last decommissioning we had, that of the UDA) - Dumelow (talk) 10:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- It has been confirmed. I didn't get around to it today, hopefully tomorrow (if nobody beats me to it) - Dumelow (talk) 00:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted The piece is long enough (thanks to the IICD), so I just highlighted the INLA. -- tariqabjotu 20:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Space
- Space Shuttle Endavour to be launched after many failed attempts. — Cargoking talk 15:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Article at STS-130. Launch scheduled for 9.14am (UTC), if it is not delayed again - Dumelow (talk) 00:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- i am going to oppose this since there is another launch tomorrow of SDO which is actually a lot more unique than regular shuttle launch. we are going to get more shuttle launches posted soon since the upcoming (after next) ones will be last for the shuttles. -- Ashish-g55 01:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Remember the tradition, we publish anything shot into space.--yousaf465' 03:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- that is not necessarily true. we have 2 launches within 2 days. people will start complaining about too many space items right away if we put both. if we have to pick i suggest the latter (SDO). i dont personally mind posting both -- Ashish-g55 03:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support both to be fair or someone will complain about one being considered more important than the other. There were two sports from the same day just last week so I don't see the difference. --candle•wicke 03:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support per ITNR, though I think we need to look at the space launches section again (I have some ideas) Modest Genius talk 03:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Also, just for info, the Solar Dynamics Observatory article is currently nowhere near good enough to post (stub, one reference, no infobox) anyway. Modest Genius talk 03:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support both to be fair or someone will complain about one being considered more important than the other. There were two sports from the same day just last week so I don't see the difference. --candle•wicke 03:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- that is not necessarily true. we have 2 launches within 2 days. people will start complaining about too many space items right away if we put both. if we have to pick i suggest the latter (SDO). i dont personally mind posting both -- Ashish-g55 03:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Remember the tradition, we publish anything shot into space.--yousaf465' 03:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- i am going to oppose this since there is another launch tomorrow of SDO which is actually a lot more unique than regular shuttle launch. we are going to get more shuttle launches posted soon since the upcoming (after next) ones will be last for the shuttles. -- Ashish-g55 01:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Article at STS-130. Launch scheduled for 9.14am (UTC), if it is not delayed again - Dumelow (talk) 00:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Posted, although I left out the night launch piece. I don't really think NASA needs to be mentioned, but I imagined a systematic bias claim, and it was 50-50 with mentioning the launcher of Space Shuttles (as I think most people know the space shuttles come from the U.S., but maybe not). -- tariqabjotu 17:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of John Murtha
- Long time U.S house democrat is dead. Redbeanpaste (talk) 21:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not an extremely significant US politician.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support extremely significant US politician, all over the news right now. 147.70.112.145 (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per John. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 20:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support extremely significant US politician, all over the news right now. 147.70.112.145 (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, as Murtha was an extremely powerful congressman (head of defense appropriations, I believe). If we're going to allow a sumo wrestler's retirement, then a powerful congressman's death is a must as well. UnitAnode 20:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose - He wasn't even a senator, so there is no way he can be considered to have held a high enough position to be seen as noteworthy outside of the US --Daviessimo (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not an extremely significant US politician.--Johnsemlak (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support He was significant within the House, he was nearly elected as Majority Leader in 2006 and was a large participant in the Abscam scandal in the 80s. Doc Quintana (talk) 03:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
February 7
- Sir Richard Branson warns that oil crunch is coming within five years. (Current TV)[permanent dead link] (thisismoney) (Telegraph) (theenergycollective)[permanent dead link]
- New Orleans Saints beat the Indianapolis Colts 31-17 to win Super Bowl XLIV. (Sports Illustrated)
- Laura Chinchilla is elected President of Costa Rica, the first woman to take the office, following the 2010 general election. (Reuters)(Tico Times) (RTÉ) (Xinhua)
- First Gentleman and former President Néstor Kirchner of Argentina undergoes emergency surgery to remove a blockage in his carotid artery. (BBC) (The Washington Post) (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
- In Nigeria, the Governor of Anambra state, Peter Obi, is controversially re-elected. (BBC) (Reuters South Africa)
- The Kleen Energy Systems plant in Middletown, Connecticut, explodes, killing at least five people and injuring at least 14 others. (BBC News) (The New York Times)
- A Pakistani lawyers' group in Lahore threatens to "burn alive" anyone who prosecutes lawyer accused of murdering a 12-year-old servant girl. (Asia News)
- Social Development Minister Margaret Ritchie defeats Alasdair McDonnell in an election to become leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) following Mark Durkan's resignation yesterday. She is the first woman to take charge of the party in its history and the first female leader of a major party in Northern Ireland. (The Belfast Telegraph) (BBC) (RTÉ)
- Voters in Ukraine go to the polls in the second round of the country's presidential election. (Al Jazeera) (The Independent)
- Australian Senator John Faulkner and Doctor Wayne Mapp attend a ceremony in Gallipoli to commemorate dead ANZAC and Turkish soldiers, laying wreaths at several locations. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- Huang Yizhong is jailed for 13 years in Jiangmen, Guangdong, for copying and spreading pornographic material through his website. (The Washington Post)
- Britain is to tighten the rules on immigrants entering the country on a student visa in a clampdown on a system which some security experts say has been exploited by Islamist militants. (Reuters)
- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad orders his country's atomic agency to begin enriching uranium to a higher level. (The New York Times) (Press TV)
- Libya bans YouTube, independent news sites and opposition web sites in crackdown on controversial subjects, including human rights abuses by the Libyan government. (The Jerusalem Post)
ITN candidates for February 7
2010 Kleen Energy Systems explosion
For more check out http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2534189. Going to write the article.--yousaf465' 18:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose unless casualty numbers are around that of the Texas city explosion. A quick look at this suggests that explosions with low death tolls at oil refineries in North America are pretty common --Daviessimo (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- This isn't a refinery though. Explosions at power plants in the U.S. seem uncommon to me. ~DC Talk To Me 18:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed for now; with 2 fatalities this isn't all that significant at this point. (And, hopefully, nothing happens to make me change this opinion.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Complete casualty number/injured unknown at this time [10]. Shinerunner (talk) 18:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, authorities say deaths may be in dozens. Anyway we have to update the article right now. We can wait for the numbers.yousaf465' 18:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- I see information on mass casualties, which includes injuries. It seems to be making news around the world, but it not sure why; it doesn't seem ITN-worthy at this point. I hate to say it, but it needs more dead people for me to consider it. -- tariqabjotu 18:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- CHeck out this twitter page darrenkramer8, must have been huge. More reporting at Channel 8 news .yousaf465' 18:56, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- I see information on mass casualties, which includes injuries. It seems to be making news around the world, but it not sure why; it doesn't seem ITN-worthy at this point. I hate to say it, but it needs more dead people for me to consider it. -- tariqabjotu 18:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, authorities say deaths may be in dozens. Anyway we have to update the article right now. We can wait for the numbers.yousaf465' 18:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Complete casualty number/injured unknown at this time [10]. Shinerunner (talk) 18:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just read on dunya news 50 killed.--yousaf465' 18:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Please update, I'm going for a sleep now.--yousaf465' 19:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Seems like there are a lot more injuries than deaths. Even taking that into account two isn't a large figure for an explosion on the same weekend as both of these double explosions elsewhere in the world: this (At least 40 people are killed and more than 140 are wounded in at least two explosions in Karbala during the final day of Arba'een) and this (At least 22 people are killed and more than 50 are injured in two separate explosions in Karachi). This is not the most notable explosion to occur recently in my opinion. --candle•wicke 19:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Apples to oranges. You're comparing an explosion at a power plant to terrorist attacks? ~DC Talk To Me 19:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- It has been suggested above that this type of explosion is also quite common. Terrorist attacks are also quite common but I don't see anything here that convinces me it is more special and suitable for the Main Page. Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. --candle•wicke 19:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- The above claim is misleading. Refinery fires/explosions are common, but this is a power plant, and explosions in those are much less common. The refinery thing is basically a red herring. ~DC Talk To Me 20:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- It has been suggested above that this type of explosion is also quite common. Terrorist attacks are also quite common but I don't see anything here that convinces me it is more special and suitable for the Main Page. Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. --candle•wicke 19:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Apples to oranges. You're comparing an explosion at a power plant to terrorist attacks? ~DC Talk To Me 19:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Seems like there are a lot more injuries than deaths. Even taking that into account two isn't a large figure for an explosion on the same weekend as both of these double explosions elsewhere in the world: this (At least 40 people are killed and more than 140 are wounded in at least two explosions in Karbala during the final day of Arba'een) and this (At least 22 people are killed and more than 50 are injured in two separate explosions in Karachi). This is not the most notable explosion to occur recently in my opinion. --candle•wicke 19:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment If there are close to 50 people dead, then this would definitely appear to be a major industrial accident worthy of being on ITN. But with the two confirmed now, it's not. -- tariqabjotu 19:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral Waiting now for further developments, ed and candlewick bring up some good points, but damage estimates might take a while. Of course, I saw a report saying that a nearby hospital had its windows blown out and people thought it was an earthquake, so it's likely to be a lot of damage. fetchcomms☛ 22:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- All I can see so far about the 50 dead is speculation from the news, something close to the final count will probably be confirmed by tomorrow though. fetchcomms☛ 20:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I think we should take damage into account as well as just the number of dead in considering if this is "big enough". I'd definitely like to wait a few more hours to see what comes of it, but I wouldn't rule out posting it just yet. Physchim62 (talk) 20:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- The damage seems to have been large (people thought they were feeling earthquakes from 10 miles away!), but now they've found that there were less than 50 injured, and maybe even none dead due to a communication error. fetchcomms☛ 21:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- If you were going to base this on damage, the Buncefield fire is probably a good measure. In that instance the damages caused by the explosion where somewhere between £500m and £1bn --Daviessimo (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- I was definitely thinking of the Buncefield fire as a comparison (none dead in that disaster, but the largest peacetime explosion in Europe for at least 30 years). Physchim62 (talk) 21:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- If you were going to base this on damage, the Buncefield fire is probably a good measure. In that instance the damages caused by the explosion where somewhere between £500m and £1bn --Daviessimo (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- The damage seems to have been large (people thought they were feeling earthquakes from 10 miles away!), but now they've found that there were less than 50 injured, and maybe even none dead due to a communication error. fetchcomms☛ 21:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong support - Google News has 997 stories at this point, including the BBC, The Guardian (British), CNN, Reuters, CBS, Boston Globe, New York Times... extensive coverage everywhere. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 21:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's also the top story in Google News. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 21:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: This seems to have done less damage than Cyclone Oli which is still waiting under February 5... the article suggests the numbers were exaggerated or miscommunicated somehow in this case. --candle•wicke 21:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it's currently at 14 confirmed injured and 0 confirmed dead. fetchcomms☛ 22:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- This BBC article says five confirmed dead. If the article we have on it is good, I think it should go up
(support). I'd support the cyclone article going up as well. Let me go and add my support for that as well, and see what both articles look like. Carcharoth (talk) 00:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)Update: going neutral, as the 2010 Kleen Energy Systems explosion article is not that good at the moment, and the cyclone article (which this was being compared to) doesn't seem that newsworthy. Carcharoth (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)- The telegraph article ,put it from "a few to as many as 50 dead".'dozens injured or dead'. With this size of an explosion, you can't have just 2 dead,(believe me we have a huge experience on it.)--yousaf465' 02:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- No one seems to know anything for certain though. --candle•wicke 03:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- There is some kind of confusion surrounding this. There is proverb in Urdu, Jitany muh utni baatian, which mean more mouths mean more versions of a story. This is also true of this.--yousaf465' 07:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- No one seems to know anything for certain though. --candle•wicke 03:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- The telegraph article ,put it from "a few to as many as 50 dead".'dozens injured or dead'. With this size of an explosion, you can't have just 2 dead,(believe me we have a huge experience on it.)--yousaf465' 02:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- This BBC article says five confirmed dead. If the article we have on it is good, I think it should go up
- Got an mouth, this time for 50, 50 feared dead in US power plant blast.--yousaf465' 07:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Costa Rican election
Costa Rica will hold the Costa Rican general election, 2010 to elect a new president and members of the Legislative Assembly - Dumelow (talk) 12:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
- It needs a major expansion before it's ok for the main page. I can take care of that now. Once expanded, and results are confirmed, I support per WP:ITNR. HonouraryMix (talk) 16:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support once results are known, if the president is elected today. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- For reference: If needed (ie no single candidates gets a 40% vote share) the run off will be on 4 April - Dumelow (talk) 00:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support only when results are know.--yousaf465' 02:58, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- For reference: If needed (ie no single candidates gets a 40% vote share) the run off will be on 4 April - Dumelow (talk) 00:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Ukrainian presidential election, 2010
The first round of the Ukrainian presidential election, 2010 takes place with the potential to elect a president today. Otherwise the second round will occur in February - Dumelow (talk) 17:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- There's likely going to be a second round. Again, do we stick with second round only or do we post first round as well? --Tone 10:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Just the second, since that's the actual result. Modest Genius talk 13:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Wait for the second round, we're not exactly short of election stories. Physchim62 (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I suppose we can call this a standard practice now. I'll make a notice at ITN/R. --Tone 15:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The run-off is today.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support per WP:ITNR, which says that elections for heads of state are included, when results are confirmed. HonouraryMix (talk) 16:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support but noting that Britain's Telegraph is reporting results won't be known until tomorrow, even though exit polls are being reported the defeat of Yulia Tymoshenko. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support once the result is known, due to be announced tomorrow. Article is a bit chaotic, but once the results are incorporated it should be OK. Modest Genius talk 20:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support once the result is known. --bender235 (talk) 22:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I think result has been announced, with their current president declared a winner.--yousaf465' 02:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- That would be kinda hard, since he (Viktor Yushchenko) was eliminated in the first round! Viktor Yanukovych appears to have won, though we should still wait for the official announcement. Modest Genius talk 03:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. If Tymoshenko contests the results (which is likely), then that could be added in later as well. Votes are in, so it's pretty much decided from a current numbers standpoint. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support I think result has been announced, with their current president declared a winner.--yousaf465' 02:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Cochin Haneefa
A loss to two separate film industries apparently. This says "In an acting career spanning more than three decades, he acted in more than 300 films including Tamil, Telugu and Hindi. [...] The veteran also directed seven Malayalam and six Tamil films. "People from all walks of life including film personalities, politicians and cultural leaders turned up to pay homage to the actor as the body was brought for funeral prayers". His body was stored in a stadium to allow thousands of people to see him and he was "one of the most versatile talents the Malayalam film industry has ever seen". His death comes with controversy too: he was killed off prematurely by television. --candle•wicke 06:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not much prose text in the article for a notable individual. Oppose for now.--Johnsemlak (talk) 07:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not significantly notable. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 13:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed not seeing the great notability needed to list a death on ITN. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not significantly notable. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 13:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Phillip Martin
A longtime Choctaw Indian chief (28-year tenure), who helped to lift the tribe from poverty.
- "'Moses' of the Choctaws Led the Indian Tribe to Prosperity" (The Wall Street Journal).
- Taiwan News describes him as "visionary". --candle•wicke 06:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment-The article needs some improvement. Shinerunner (talk) 13:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Agree with Shinerunner.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Comment-The article needs some improvement. Shinerunner (talk) 13:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per Shinerunner. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 13:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose there are a lot more significant politicians in the U.S. than him. ~DC Talk To Me 16:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Leader of just 8,000 people, local councillors have a bigger mandate than that. Modest Genius talk 20:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Opposed Less significant than a mid-major city mayor, and such a person wouldn't even get nominated here. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, the Choctaw are apparently a "federally recognized American Indian tribe" so I thought it was appropriate to nominate this. That and being mentioned by Taiwan. --candle•wicke 21:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Eh, Taiwan News. Last time I was in Kaohsiung, I saw them run a paragraph w/ photo of the Christmas tree lighting here in Columbia, SC. At any rate, they were only quoting Beasley Denson, not expressing an opinion. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, the Choctaw are apparently a "federally recognized American Indian tribe" so I thought it was appropriate to nominate this. That and being mentioned by Taiwan. --candle•wicke 21:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Taiwan News describes him as "visionary". --candle•wicke 06:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Death of Sir John Dankworth
"A mainstay of the British jazz scene for over 60 years", according to the BBC, ""For British jazz and jazz around the world, I believe John has become such an international figure, particularly since he became Sir John Dankworth a few years ago. On his Twitter page, jazz singer Jamie Cullum hailed Sir John as a genius." The Observer headline says "John Dankworth, legend of British jazz, dies at 82: Saxophonist who played for Charlie Parker, collaborated with Ella Fitzgerald and wrote The Avengers theme tune dies after a 60-year career in music". The Sunday Times says, "Last night Stephen Graham of Jazzwise magazine hailed Dankworth as “one of the totemic figures of British jazz” and the country’s “first major jazz musician”." --candle•wicke 05:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- As for if he was still performing, this says "As recently as November 2009, he played his saxophone from a wheelchair at the London Jazz Festival". Not to mention "honorary Doctorates by the University of Cambridge, the University of York and the Open University, as well as by Boston's Berklee College of Music". --candle•wicke 05:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, but if international recognition could be shown I could retract. Right now adding him seems Britain-centric. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 13:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- According to non-Britain RTÉ (news section and not even entertainment section where the death of an actor is reported) "Mr Dankworth's fame was worldwide". The Canadian Press reports about this death. ABC News does too. And The Washington Post. CBC says he was playing music before WWII but stopped to serve during the war then began again. "His death comes exactly as [his music venue The Stables] celebrates its 40th anniversary. The manager says the occasion will be marked in honour of the jazz musician." says Radio Netherlands Worldwide. Hopefully less Britain-centric now? :) --candle•wicke 20:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, but if international recognition could be shown I could retract. Right now adding him seems Britain-centric. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 13:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support, this does seem to be attracting widespread attention. However, the article needs more references first. Modest Genius talk 20:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- First, for the article itself to go up, there need to be more references as well as an updated deaths section. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Haiti debt cancellation
(BBC). I doubt this will make it on, but I think it's worth nominating anyway:
- The G7 agree to forgive all debt owed to them by Haiti in light of the recent earthquake. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 02:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
February 6
- Jordan Queen's educational reform program lauded in Jordan. Rania Al Abdullah and Princess Hessa bint Salman were briefed on the Jordan River Foundation (JRF) by the organization's Director General Valentina Qussisiya. (zawya)
- The Eastern Route of the South-to-North Water Diversion Project, one of the world's largest water projects, has been delayed by about five years due to problems associated with water pollution, officials in east China's Shandong province. (China Daily)
- Wang Jiarui, head of the Communist Party of China's liaison office, arrives in North Korea on a "goodwill visit" at the invitation of the Workers' Party of Korea. (AFP) (Tehran Times) (The Straits Times)
- Charles McArther Emmanuel, son of President of Liberia Charles Taylor, is ordered to pay more than $22 million (£14 million) to five people tortured during the Second Liberian Civil War. (BBC)
- The Group of Seven nations agree to write off Haiti's debts following a conference in Iqaluit, Nunavut. (BBC)
- The Bank of Spain announces that Spain’s economy fell 3.6% in 2009, the most in decades. (Mercopress) (Reuters) (Business Spectator)
- Thousands protest in Togo against a decision by the Confederation of African Football to ban the country from the next two editions of the Africa Cup of Nations. (BBC) (Times of India)
- An Australian mining company signs a $70 billion deal to supply Chinese power stations with coal, in the country's biggest ever export contract. (BBC) (The Hindu) (Sydney Morning Herald)
- Mark Durkan, former Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, resigns as leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP). (The Belfast Telegraph) (The Irish Times)
- French aid worker, Laurent Maurice, kidnapped in Chad last November, is released after 89 days of captivity, described as "tired but appears to be in good health". (BBC) (CNN) (Philippine Daily Inquirer) (Reuters South Africa) (CTV News) (news.com.au)
- Afghan police admit they shot dead seven civilians, including two children, as they collected firewood in Spin Boldak, Kandahar, last Thursday. (Reuters) (Press TV) (France24)
- 23 Yemeni government soldiers are killed by the Houthis in two separate incidents: 15 are ambushed in Wadi al-Jabara, while the remaining 8 die in Sa'dah. (Press TV)
- The Taliban blow up a girls' school in Huwaid, Pakistan, killing no one. (AFP)
World's oldest monastery, St Anthony's, is restored
Sources: BBC,Discovery News The 'world's oldest' bit is perhaps speculative, but it is certainly an ancient and historically important site. Also, it's important to stress that this is still a working monastery, not just an archeological site. I'm not sure getting the article up to scratch will be feasible, however. It tends to be a challenge with these archeology stories.--Johnsemlak (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- In hopes to spur some interest in this one, because we don't often post news of historical/archeological interest, I've updated the article with two short paragraphs and 5 new references. It's not much but I think that meets the requirement.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Possible blurb: Egypt completes the restoration of the 1600-year-old Monastery of Saint Anthony, a Coptic Orthodox monastery believed to be the world's oldest.--Johnsemlak (talk) 15:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak support. I agree that this is a notable story and that we don't bring topics of this type too often. __meco (talk) 15:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Good encyclopedic topic. --candle•wicke 19:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- This looks interesting but the article doesn't currently state that this is the world's oldest monastery - Dumelow (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- It's difficult to definitively say that I think. The BBC article merely states 'believed to be the world's oldest' or something like that. Still, a 1600 year old monastery is quite notable, I think.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- This looks interesting but the article doesn't currently state that this is the world's oldest monastery - Dumelow (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Good encyclopedic topic. --candle•wicke 19:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Skrunda auction
- Latvian ghost town auctioned off for $3.1 million [11] - TouLouse (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- The auction was in the news yesterday if that matters. Unusual event, to be sure. I'm not sure about ITN worthiness yet. Article needs expansion.--Johnsemlak (talk) 19:30, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support as unusual and potentially interesting. The Skrunda article provides some background, although the update is not yet up to scratch. Physchim62 (talk) 19:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support and I did some work on the article. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I fail to see the significance of this- it just looks like an old military base being sold off. Also, the article could still do with some work- a tidy up, perhaps a copyedit, some more detail if it's available and that lead will need expanding. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 02:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, as I also cannot see the significant of this. Some disused land, which happened to have been a military base 10 years ago, has been sold for a not-terribly-unusual price. Modest Genius talk 20:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Iraq bombing
- a suicide car bombing in Karbala, Iraq kills 40 and injures 140. (BBC) HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 03:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- too common for iraq. oppose for now -- Ashish-g55 03:30, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- My initial thought, exactly, but 140 injuries seems quite a lot- that a total of 180 people killed or injured. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 03:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- This is the third attack in Karbala this week. A quick count using Al-Jazeera figures puts total deaths at more than 105 and injured at about 400. The attacks coincide with Arba'een, when the city of Karbala is thronging with Shi'a pilgrims. Support. Physchim62 (talk) 09:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- A similar double attack in Karachi killed 25. (BBC News) Physchim62 (talk) 09:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- have started an article on February 2010 Karachi bombings. would support a blurb on the two attacks which targeted Shias and happened on Arba'een. Wikireader41 (talk) 06:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- A similar double attack in Karachi killed 25. (BBC News) Physchim62 (talk) 09:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
North American blizzard of 2010
Front page publications:
- ABC - Winter Storm Pounds East Coast, Possible Blizzard for Some Cities
- BBC - Eastern US braced for major snowstorm
- CNN - Deadly 'epic snowstorm' hits Washington, mid-Atlantic
- Fox - Mid-Atlantic Braces for Epic Snowstorm
- LAT - Fierce snowstorm shuts down Washington
- NYT - East Coast Is Hit by ‘Potentially Epic Snowstorm’
- MSNBC - Monster storm bears down on mid-Atlantic
- WP - Snowfall continues as Washington gets hit with a winter wallop
Twitter:
- Neutral - Just thought I'd open this one up for debate. — C M B J 08:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support - The magnitude of this storm, as noted in the NYT article, definitely warrants this to be on the ITN template. ---Dough4872 17:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Can't see anything here, seems like an ordinary weather event. Where are the dozens/hundreds of deaths or even injuries? The article itself mentions that roads "were likely to come to a halt". Likely isn't fact. I also get the impression that this is an annual event which this area must expect. North American blizzard of 2009, North American blizzard of 2008... therefore I will oppose. --candle•wicke 17:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- You clearly misunderstand the scale of the storm. Blizzards in this day and age rarely, if ever, result in large numbers of deaths, so that's an irrelevant metric. Further, your mention of roads "likely" to come to a halt is... well... borderline absurd. It takes little more than a cursory glance of the news related to this story to see that, by all accounts, roads (as well as air travel, postal services, etc.) have ground to a halt. This amount of snow is highly unusual for Washington, D.C., which has received more snow than it has received in nearly 90 years -- and it may even surpass that. Although these storms carry similar names ("North American blizzard of..."), each affect different areas, and all are not all of the same magnitude. This same area had a similar-sized (but slightly less powerful) storm in December, and I'm sure that hurts this item's nomination, but that still does not change the fact that this storm (and the December storm) are highly unusual for this region. -- tariqabjotu 21:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Can't see anything here, seems like an ordinary weather event. Where are the dozens/hundreds of deaths or even injuries? The article itself mentions that roads "were likely to come to a halt". Likely isn't fact. I also get the impression that this is an annual event which this area must expect. North American blizzard of 2009, North American blizzard of 2008... therefore I will oppose. --candle•wicke 17:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral - Let's wait to see full effect of storm. Shinerunner (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose America gets affected by Blizzards virtually every week, where as French Polynesia RARELY gets hit by a Cyclone.Jason Rees (talk) 17:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Just a major weather event.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:30, 6 February 2010 (UTC)- OK, the BBC now has this snowstorm back on the front page and calls it the ' most severe snow storms for decades'. Sounds very notable. I'm switching to support.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose America gets affected by Blizzards virtually every week, where as French Polynesia RARELY gets hit by a Cyclone.Jason Rees (talk) 17:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak support The span of the storm is not as wide as desired for it to be a "yes, obviously". That is, it's really only affecting Washington, DC, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, and leaving New York, Boston, and many other parts of the northeastern U.S. unscathed. However, the storm is still extremely powerful -- a genuine blizzard in a field of winter storms that are wrongly termed blizzard -- and it is getting front page coverage on many news sites around the world. So, I think it may be a valid addition to "In the News", even if there was a blizzard storm for the same region two months ago. Both Hurricanes Katrina and Rita hit the Main Page, right? We can have two similar weather stories on the Main Page months apart if their magnitudes are notable enough on their own. -- tariqabjotu 21:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak Support also. Whilst this hasn't has the same human toll as the recent winter storms in Europe, the fact that it is being reported as so severe means its probably still main page material. That being said, it would be best to wait until a reputable agency confirms it severity, rather than simply relying on what the media are saying --Daviessimo (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Notable facts: 60 cm of snow in the area so far, likely to be the biggest snowfall in Washington DC in 90 years; hundreds of auto accidents with two deaths, flights and trains cancelled in at least three major cites.--Johnsemlak (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. As Johnsemlak points out, this is being called the worst snowstorm for decades. I'd oppose of it was "just a storm" but the coverage this is getting would suggest otherwise. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 02:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- this thing didnt even come to canada. i could have really used a day off. i am going to oppose since nothing major has happened. its just snowfall... -- Ashish-g55 03:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Heh. I predicted this reason to crop up when it snows. –Howard the Duck 05:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- this thing didnt even come to canada. i could have really used a day off. i am going to oppose since nothing major has happened. its just snowfall... -- Ashish-g55 03:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Per Johnsemlak; widespread coverage about a severe event, and several notable facts. Grsz11 03:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak Support also. Whilst this hasn't has the same human toll as the recent winter storms in Europe, the fact that it is being reported as so severe means its probably still main page material. That being said, it would be best to wait until a reputable agency confirms it severity, rather than simply relying on what the media are saying --Daviessimo (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support Although it was a bust for me, it was quite significant where the heavy snow did fall. Impressive storm totals around three feet in some places from what I've heard. Also, in response to Ashish-g55, it doesn't have to hit where you are to be notable to others ;) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Weak support. It seems kinda significant/notable for ITN in its scope. __meco (talk) 16:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Now it's actually happened, it seems notable enough for ITN. Physchim62 (talk) 16:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Posted I know I commented here, so perhaps it was bad form for me to do it myself. However, the consensus is quite clear and I was worried the snow was going to melt before someone else got around to it. Suggestions on rewording are welcome (I was wondering, for example, if we should axe Philadelphia, although doing so created an ugly line break between Washington and D.C.). -- tariqabjotu 17:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- non-breaking spaces are designed for exactly that eventuality (and the line break depends on the window size anyway) Modest Genius talk 20:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, and yes, I know that. But I think 1280px is a pretty common screen width, so I see no reason to intentionally cause poor appearance for that screen width. Adding a non-breaking space for Washington, D.C., pushing the Washington to the next line, would have left a huge space. That doesn't prevent an issue occurring with the current wording at lower resolutions, but those large breaks at lower resolutions don't look nearly as bad because there are just so many. -- tariqabjotu 02:54, 8 February 2010 (UTC)