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:The results tables for the State and Canton parliaments are still empty. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
:The results tables for the State and Canton parliaments are still empty. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Yes, you're right. I just tried to use the results site[http://www.izbori.ba], but it looks complicated... There is no summary data structured like in the result tables on our page... [[User:Crnorizec|Crnorizec]] ([[User talk:Crnorizec|talk]]) 00:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC) |
::Yes, you're right. I just tried to use the results site[http://www.izbori.ba], but it looks complicated... There is no summary data structured like in the result tables on our page... [[User:Crnorizec|Crnorizec]] ([[User talk:Crnorizec|talk]]) 00:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC) |
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==== [[39th Chess Olympiad]] concludes ==== |
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* The [[39th Chess Olympiad]] concludes with [[Ukraine]], and [[Russia]] winning the open, and women's section respectively.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 19:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:I would support a mind game even on the ITN if the article were to be updated significantly. Right now it has only a bunch of tables in it. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 21:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' if the article is expanded, with prose update. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 21:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Support''' per above. International event affecting countries on most continents, including [http://www.newsonair.com/news.asp?cat=sports&id=SN982 India], [http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/10/04/10/rp-places-50th-chess-olympiad Philippines], [http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/84856/ Ukraine], [http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/pawn-stars-shine-in-new-national-sport-1.317002 Israel], [http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/T_T_shine_at_World_Chess_Olympiad-104194214.html Ghana, Trinidad and Tobago, Yemen, Ecuador]. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 09:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::So far no one has objected to its notability, but the article has to be expanded a lot... --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 09:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support in principle''' (see also my comments at [[WT:ITNR#Chess Olympiad]], but the article is nowhere near good enough at the moment. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::I've expanded the article, which now seems to have more reasonable content. Since the consensus has already been done here, it would be good any administrator to post it on the main page. I notice that the Olympiad has concluded today, though the main events concluded yesterday.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 16:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::The article has been expanded; posting soon. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 17:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====[[2010 World Rally Championship season]]==== |
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*"'''[[Sébastien Loeb]]''' becomes [[List of World Rally Championship Drivers' champions|World Rally Champion]] for a record [[2010 World Rally Championship season|seventh]] consecutive time." |
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:Just a reminder, WRC is listed at ITNR and is probably the second most prestigious driver title (behind F1 and likely on par with Indy). [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 17:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Citation please for the idea that WRC is "the second most prestigious driver title". [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' - seven titles in a row is an amazing accomplishment, comparable to the seven titles of [[Michael Schumacher]]. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 19:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' - Just like Michael record this is unlikely to be ever broken. [[User:Bjmullan|Bjmullan]] ([[User talk:Bjmullan|talk]]) 19:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*: '''Posted''' --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::You could either of these pictures: [[:File:Sébastien Loeb - 2009 Rally Australia.jpg]], or [[:File:Sébastien Loeb - 2005 Cyprus Rally.jpg]]. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 01:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Yes we're blessed with good pictures for this. We should give the Delhi stadium a few more hours though. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 01:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Please explain why Loeb's record acheivement is more notable than [[Fabian Cancellara]]'s [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 05:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:[http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=1z&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=sebastien+loeb&oq=seba Sebastion Loeb] gets over twice as many hits on Google News as [http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=1&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=fabian+cancellara&oq=fabian Fabian Cancellara].--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 16:25, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:1) Cancellara won four (previous record was 3?) and Loeb won 7 (previous was 4). 2) Cyclism gets multiple posts per year (and it got the Contador one just 3 days ago), while for WRC this is the only post it gets the entire year. 3) Cycling is going downhill ever since the Festina scandal. 4) not every single top cyclist goes to the World Championships (Armstrong did not go in most of his winning years). 5) Driving 100km/h through one-lane-roads through thick forests is so much cooler than time-trialing on a bike. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 17:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::'''Support''' Rallying is a lot more "real" than F1, which is very sterilised with every driver doing a "perfect lap" nowadays with these miracle cars. As for cycling, at least the European police do terrorism-style raids on drug dens etc, as drug tests tend to not catch much; if other sports did this, they would catch a lot more, but I can't see China's military raiding their own athletes as their sports program is the same as military propaganda; same as GDR. As for popularity, well people always say that rugby league is going down because each year there is some alleged gang rape or sexual assault trial; well, the females keep flocking to the grounds etc... As for Armstrong, you generally need a different type of rider for one-day classics etc, and Armstrong is not really of that type '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====Conglomerate sports compromise==== |
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''In sports, the world championships in '''[[2010 FIBA World Championship for Women|Women's basketball]]''' and '''[[2010 UCI Road World Championships|road cycling]]''' reach their conclusions, and that in '''[[2010 World Rally Championship season|rallying]]''' is decided, [[Australia]]n finals in '''[[2010 AFL Grand Final|Australian rules football]]''' and '''[[2010 NRL Grand Final|rugby league]]''' are held, and the '''[[2010 Commonwealth Games|Commonwealth games]]''' start in [[Delhi]].'' |
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I know it is not the usual ITN style, but unusual circumstances demand unusual solutions. It allows co-operation rather than competition to get events mentioned. The articles get their publicity, even if the reader needs to do more work to find results (again, what is the purpose of ITN: to provide news headlines or to bring current affairs articles to prominence?). If the world rally championship is decided today, that can be added to the list, and the Ryder Cup result can be integrated into it tomorrow. I'd be perfectly happy to see the Commonwealth games separated out and given its own blurb, and I'd judge inclusion of the rallying as marginal, so no upset here if that drops out. Perhaps if elections in Brazil, Bosnia and Latvia all co-incide this weekend, a similar approach could be taken in that regard. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 13:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Strong support''' of the proposal. Readers can access the details (results, winners, or whatever) the articles. Perhaps on Monday we can add the Ryder Cup to the list of events reaching their conclusions.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Slight support''' - would rather the CWG not be included here and instead get its own entry. [[User:Strange Passerby|Strange Passerby]] ([[User talk:Strange Passerby|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby|c]] • [[User:Strange Passerby/status2|status]]) 14:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. Call me conservative, but I don't think we should be combining unrelated events into a single blurb like that. So what if we have a lot of updates in one weekend? Keeps things ticking over, and older items still have several days on the template. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. Don't cluster unrelated events in one item. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' the blurb sounds awful to me. Much better to simply pick a couple of stories (I'd go for the Commonwealth Games and the Ryder Cup) and ditch the rest. There is no WikiRight to get a story on ITN, after all. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 18:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Please clarify whether your objection is to the specific phrasing, or the concept of aggregation of items into one blurb? [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 06:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. That blurb is just a complete mess. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Please clarify whether your objection is to the specific phrasing, or the concept of aggregation of items into one blurb? [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 06:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====[[2010 FIBA World Championship for Women]] Final==== |
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Just testing if this'll stick... –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 08:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Just before anyone blurts out the usual "this is not notable enough" card, here are page views for the different sporting events this month: |
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:#[http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/2010_Commonwealth%20Games Commonwealth Games]: 24,957 (day before the opening) |
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:#[http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/2010_Ryder_Cup Ryder Cup]: 11051 (third day) |
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:#[http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/2010_AFL_Grand_Final AFL Grand Final]: ~8,000 (grand final replay) |
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:#[http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/2010%20FIBA%20World%20Championship%20for%20Women FIBA World Championship for Women]: ~3,600 (final) |
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:#[http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/2010%20NRL%20Grand%20Final NRL Grand Final]: ~3,600 (final) |
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:#[http://stats.grok.se/en/201010/2010%20UCI%20Road%20World%20Championships UCI Road World Championships]: ~3,100 (last day) |
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:–'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 08:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:A lot of sport this weekend. '''Conditional support/oppose''' — would support if the Czech Republic manages to win, and if the main article is something like [[2010 FIBA Women's World Championship Final]]. Another blurb on another US team winning another basketball tournament is overkill, especially in a competition not considered within [[WP:ITN/R]]. [[User:Strange Passerby|Strange Passerby]] ([[User talk:Strange Passerby|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby|c]] • [[User:Strange Passerby/status2|status]]) 09:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' yeah, coverage is higher than some, but there is a reason why it is not listed at ITNR: there are three other entries listed under basketball. The AFL/NFL are the only one for the sport, while cycling has only 1 entry a year. I would normally be neutral, but the blurb will be filled with sports in the next 24h without women's basketball. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 09:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*And in your recourse to statistical analysis lies the essential epistemological question about the purpose of ITN that is so ill-defined: does it exist to highlight articles that have much current interest, or to increase interest in articles that have current relevance? [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 10:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Strong Support''' ''if'' the article is improved. I do realize there's a lot of sport on this weekend; so let's keep the blurb short. But this is the the premier event in the world of Women's basketball, and it only takes place every 4 years. That's not an overload of women's basketball. And women's basketball is one of the most popular women's sports out there (how many others get covered on ITN?). We cover the men's world championship; we should cover the women's. The fact that the US are heavy favorites right now is irrelevant--would we not post the World Cup winner if Brazil wins it again? For the record Australia, not the US, is the defending world champion. And the 'not on ITNR argument is invalid'--it's not a comprehensive list by any means. You can't say that an event not being on it is evidence that it's not notable enough. I'd prefer HTD's stats above as that kind of evidence.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 10:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' - regardless of who wins, and regardless of gender. OK, so this isn't listed at ITN/R, but basketball is a major sport, and the fact that women are playing it at an international level is interesting (I tend to think, somewhat chauvinistically, that ''netball'' is the female equivalent of basketball). The real show-stopper seems to be that there's a lot of sport on right now. Well, it happens. Sometimes there are a lot of natural disasters, sometimes there are a lot of elections. We filter on quality of article/update - and this seems to be a decent article that's been updated. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 11:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::I might want to add that basketball is enjoys far broader world popularity than rugby, golf, or Aussie rules which are all popular in geographically limited parts of the world.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Note: The update should go to the #Final section of that article. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 11:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::The lead section should be expanded considerably as well, and included updated information including the winner.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Seriously for sports events such as this, writing the update is easy, it is gaining consensus here is the hard part. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 11:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. At the risk of sounding sexist, I think we would be opening the floodgates if we started posting the highest ''womens' '' level of every sport. We have enough issues keeping a balance between different sports as it is, without doubling the number of some (but far from all) of them. Events where the mens' and womens' competitions are held at the same time and receive equal attention (e.g. tennis, athletics) should continue to have both results posted together. Those where the competitions are held separately should be seen as if it were 'just another' competition in that sport (so still posted if there's significant media attention etc). IMO this isn't sufficiently big in the basketball world to qualify without appealing to special treatment because it's for women. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''', per Modest Genius' argumentation. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Hang on here. Nobody's suggesting we post the top women's event of every major sport. Basketball is one of the most popular sports in the world, and the women's version of it has a significant following. Posting it doesn't necessitate posting woman's softball or women's rugby. That said, I think we can acknowledge that at ITN we generally feature very few women's sporting items and it wouldn't hurt to post an event that clearly has a decent level of interest (see HTD's figures--it's getting more interest than the AFL Grand Final which was already posted).--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 17:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Note: We'd see the final view stats a little later. The 2,004 figure is for the day before the final replay; the final (aka the 1st game) had 16k views. Dunno if that'll rake in that much views. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 17:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. When people dismiss out of hand the male World Chapmionships of some sports which have wide participation and TV coverage, then pretending the women's basketball final is significant enough for ITN is a complete joke. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 18:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Article is updated substantially. Most of the opposes here are hardly valid ('not on ITNR', 'a complete joke'). There is plenty of coverage of this: [http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNHASjx_k7vtrD5wQOm52RZrlZZuNg&cid=17593805779617&ei=nj6pTPizNcWB-Abk9uOiAg&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2010%2F10%2F04%2Fsports%2F04sportsbriefs-worlds.html New York Times], [http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_12_0_t&usg=AFQjCNGnvj1NpURyTsrjsfMI9YlxoqaQQg&cid=17593805779617&ei=nj6pTPizNcWB-Abk9uOiAg&rt=STORY&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.smh.com.au%2Fbreaking-news-sport%2Fopals-to-play-france-for-fifth-place-20101003-16298.html Syndey Morning Herald], [http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/04/3028463.htm?site=sport§ion=all ABC], [http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/58500/usa-women's-world-basketball-champions-again Radio New Zealand], [http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/HOME_Mondial_Femmes_2010.html L'Equipe], [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/basketball/9055707.stm BBC Sport].--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 02:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I'd say [[women's basketball]] has to be most popular women's team sport. Even more popular than women's association football. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 04:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::You are confusing it with volleyball. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 04:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh yeah, after volleyball. Even [[Bella Swan]] played that. If you guys added the UEFA Women's Championship, this should go up as well. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">HTD</font>]]''' ([[Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 31#World Cup updates|<font color="#FFA500">ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.</font>]]) 04:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''support''' It's a major world championship, and our reader's care about it (per HTD's stats). This is the worst example of sexism I've seen in a while. [[User:DC|'''''<font style="color:#660000">~DC</font>''''']] <sup>[[User talk:DC|<font color="#003300" face="Tahoma"><b>We Can Work It Out</b></font>]]</sup> 14:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*:The combined statistics for the two PDC/BDO darts World Championship finals was around 10,000, which would have been posted as a single item. It seems this is an arguement which has at best, selective importance, when it comes to 'minority' sports. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 15:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Women's bball is popular and the quality and skill level is high. Obviously in general, female athletes will be slower and less powerful than the men, but in this case they are also skillful in ball-handling. Whereas in football, many top-10 women's national teams can't pass the ball cleanly more than 2-3 times in a row and the ball just flies about randomly to nowhere/empty paddock. Not here '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====Latvian parliamentary election, 2010==== |
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The outgoing government secures re-election in the [[Latvian parliamentary election, 2010]]. [http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE69200220101003]Final results a few hours later today. National elections in European Union member states have generally been considered notable for this section. [[User:Valenciano|Valenciano]] ([[User talk:Valenciano|talk]]) 07:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' although is "outgoing" the right word? --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 08:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Could be changed to incumbent government. [[User:Valenciano|Valenciano]] ([[User talk:Valenciano|talk]]) 10:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' since Latvia has only 2.2 mil people and there is nothing outstanding about this election. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 10:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::Latvia may only have 2.2 million people, but it also had [http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-10-02/latvians-vote-in-election-after-economic-crisis.html one of the world's deepest recessions]. Pre-election polls had pointed to the possibility of a victory for a pro-Russian party which could have had significant effects for both [http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9IJKIDG2.htm Latvia's NATO status and its IMF loan] with possible knock-on effects across the region. Significance also for [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE68T10520100930 Latvia's future euro membership and financial markets] given that Swedish banks in particular are [http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6866827.ece heavily exposed in Latvia]. [[User:Valenciano|Valenciano]] ([[User talk:Valenciano|talk]]) 11:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I would strongly support if the pro-Russian party wins. Otherwise it would be just business-as-usual. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 21:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' assuming article suitably updated: there has been no clear consensus to overthrow long standing practice, and the more recent proposal at WT:ITN is to omit countries with population below 2m, which Latvia is not. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 10:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Neutral'''. usually I'd support, but there are also elections in Bosnia and Brazil this weekend, and we're not short of other stories to say the least. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 12:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' per ITNR. It's also a general election in an industrialised EU member. The article obviously needs updates once the final results are known before posting. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::I'll add the results as soon as they're finalised. Looks like this won't happen before tomorrow. [http://www.velesanas2010.cvk.lv/ Official results page] shows 1004 districts out of 1013 counted. [[User:Valenciano|Valenciano]] ([[User talk:Valenciano|talk]]) 18:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support'''. We generally always post these. [[User:Thue|Thue]] | [[User talk:Thue|talk]] 16:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Support'''. Sufficient international coverage. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 09:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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: Ready to post. Please, give me a good blurb. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 09:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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<code>The incumbent coalition government of [[Valdis Dombrovskis]] secures a fresh mandate in Latvia's '''[[Latvian parliamentary election, 2010|first parliamentary election]]''' since the beginning of the [[2008–2010 Latvian financial crisis|economic crisis]]. </code> --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 09:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:: Posting, a bit shorter since the crisis article is not updated. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 12:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====UCI World Championships==== |
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[[Emma Pooley]] of [[Great Britain]] and [[Fabian Cancellara]] of [[Switzerland]] win the time-trials, and [[Giorgia Bronzini]] of [[Italy]] and [[Norway]]'s [[Thor Hushovd]] win road races at '''[[2010 UCI Road World Championships|cycling's world championships]]''' in [[Australia]]. |
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:The world championships of a major and genuinely international sport; although we sometimes give results of a [[Grand Tour]], the disciplines of one day classics and timetrialling are quite different, and the same world champions are rarely tour winners (there is no way that Hushovd or Cancellara will ever win a Tour de France), and we have no regular coverage of women's cycling. Cancellara's win was his fourth world title, which is unprecedented in any road discipline: I'd prefer to see that included, but it might make the blurn too long. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 06:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support'''. I agree. If we can cover Nadal winning his career Grand Slam, we can cover the cycling world championships. [[User:Strange Passerby|Strange Passerby]] ([[User talk:Strange Passerby|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby|c]] • [[User:Strange Passerby/status2|status]]) 08:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Oppose'''. Maybe if there was less of a logjam of sports events this weekend I'd support but whatever status this event has in the world of cycling, the popular perception is the TDF and the other grand tours are the premier cycling events of the year. That's enough cycling IMO.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 10:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::So you're opposing a blurb which covers four world championships but supporting one that would cover only one...? [[User:Strange Passerby|Strange Passerby]] ([[User talk:Strange Passerby|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby|c]] • [[User:Strange Passerby/status2|status]]) 10:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::And supporting the inclusion of women in basketball, but not in cycling? My original rationale made clear that one-day racing and time-trialing are very different disciplines from a three week tour. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 11:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Actually, I do think the women in cycling argument is strong. However, as a men's event, I don't support it. Yes, Cancellalara and Hushovd are not contenders to win the grand tours, but they do compete for the [[Green Jersey]] as well as stage victories in grand tours which gets indirect coverage at ITN (it will be mentioned in the articles ITN links to).--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::*'''Support''' Major competition. Agree that 20-stage races are different from one-dayers where you can't go for long attrition and everyone has to be opportunistic. The dynamics of WC, Paris-Roubaix are very ddiferent. And PR was 3-0 in April but was never posted :( '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====German reparations==== |
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Today German makes the last payment of [[World War I reparations|reparations from World War I]] agreed upon in the [[Treaty of Versailles]]. They will have paid 150 million euros. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-30/germany-to-make-final-payment-on-world-war-i-reparation-bonds-ap-reports.html] '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 04:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Strong support''' as this reparations were probably the main cause for WWII. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 05:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Comment''' The article will need some work to address (alledged) POV concerns. I don't know much on the subject, or have the time to take care of it myself currently, but I feel it really should be featured. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red">11</font></b>]]</sup>''' 05:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Comment''' The article is desperately unclear. I read the blurb on ITN/FE and thought it would be interesting, but could not be confident after reading it what the scale or frequency of recent payments was, or who have received what proportion of the payments. The proposer's figure of €150m is nowhere to be seen in the article. I'd be happy to support if the article were in a shape such that it rendered useful clear information, but I can't at the moment. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 06:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' given an appropriate update. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] <[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]> 09:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support'''. Blurb should also note it is the 20th anniversary of [[German reunification]]. Further info at the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11442892 BBC]. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 10:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support'''. Strong connections to the two most significant events of the 20th century.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 11:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''''Conditional'' Support''' - obvious significance. Though note that the last tranche of €150 million is post-reunification - West Germany paid substantially more prior to reunification, and Germany paid some reparations prior to [[Lausanne Conference of 1932|1932]]. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 11:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC) {{small|Conditional support: article has POV issues as noted below by Courcelles. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 13:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)}} |
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:'''Support''' no wonder we had WW2.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 12:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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{{adminnote}} All the support in the world is meaningless with those two orange-level tags on the article. Until they are legitimately resolved, the article can't hit the main page. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 13:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::After briefly looking at the article and the discussion, it seems unlikely that this will be resolved quickly. In my opinion the disputed section is simply far too long.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Hmmm, I'd assumed the opposite - {{diff2|388374885|there's already been some good work on resolving the problem}} (maybe I'm just more optimistic!) Regardless, Courcelles is quite right, and my ''support'' is contingent on the POV issue being resolved. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 13:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Well, I certainly do hope it does get resolved. There seems to have been some work done over the last few days. However, the tag has been there since January. Also, the section [[World_War_I_reparations#Impact_on_the_German_economy|Impact_on_the_German_economy]] is way too long and very dense--that section needs serious work.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 15:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' pending resolution of the POV issues. There does seem to be some activity going on there, so we might be in with a chance. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====Death of [[Georges Charpak]]==== |
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The 1992 Nobel Prize for Physics laureate has also [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-10/01/c_13537955.htm died]. I think these are usually posted, a recent example being 1998 literature laureate [[José Saramago]], who [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&diff=next&oldid=368834909 died in June] and was one year older. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 03:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. I'm sure he's quite notable in the physics community, but I personally don't think he's notable enough generally for his death to be on ITN. I don't think there is or should be a rule that all Nobel laureate deaths go up on ITN. I didn't support Saramago either, but you could make the case that as an author he is better known than is Charpak. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' upon the expansion and updatification of the article. I'd say the death of a Noble laureate is pretty notable and we posted [[Sir James Black]] not-so-long ago. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]] 03:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:I would normally support these, but aren't the current Nobels going to be announced next week? [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' There have been 57 Nobel prize winners in the last 5 years. All Nobel prize winners will die. If the average rate of naming them is nearly one a month, then the average mortality rate will be similar. I do not believe that we will accept that rate of people being listed at ITN on these grounds, so can only conclude that "merely" being a laureate is sufficient. The recently deceased, for all that he was, I can only assume, brilliant in his field, did not impinge on the wider public consciousness, so oppose. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 06:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*:'''Question''' While I agree with you in the sense of the subsequent frequency of postings if we added the death of a Nobel laureate to WP:ITN/R, there is also a fine line using the public consciousness as a criterion in ITN obits. The gay teen suicide below is a case where the public consciousness was very much impacted by the death but nevertheless it is not ITN material as Clementi had no notability to speak of. Isn't most of our job to separate the public reaction from events and asses them based on their overall importance and impact on the world? After all, the public psyche is based mostly on the media and we almost never accept pure media frenzy as notability. I don't know Charpak's biography, but should we not attempt to examine his candidacy in terms of his impact on the world? How did his efforts in physics affect the field/public/modern scientific understanding? If his work can be considered "notable" in his own right, then his death marks the end of further similar accomplishments and his post on ITN will reflect the loss of his potential brilliance to the world; by the transitive property therefore, notable to the wider world. [[User:Cwill151|Cwill151]] ([[User talk:Cwill151|talk]]) 09:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::At 86 years old, did he have much "potential brilliance" to share? [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 10:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I am simply pointing out that in cases of death on ITN, the significance to the world is in terms of the magnitude of the ''loss'' experienced by the world in said persons death. In this case that loss can be measured by the significance of his accomplishments. I am not supporting his posting, just pointing out a potential objective measurement we can use to asses his nomination. (BTW, many scientists continue to actively participate in and support further research even during their retirement.) [[User:Cwill151|Cwill151]] ([[User talk:Cwill151|talk]]) 19:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::In response to K McE, no, although most people are awarded as old men, they did their ground-breaking research 30 years earlier at 25-35; the science prizes usually wait for a while in case the work gets debunked, unlike the Nobel when you can make a promise and get a world prize when you have no intention of keeping it. I promise to be run 100m in 9.00 in 2012, may I have my gold medal in advance sir? '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per Kevin McE. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] <[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]> 09:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' deaths of NP winners are almost never notable IMO. Somebody receiving the award always is. Most people receive the award years after they did the work and most NP winners die years after they have retired and not actively involved in anything. ITN is not a place to honor people for past achievements.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 11:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Oppose'''. I must say, I find Wikireader's argument very convincing. I think we should be open to deaths from old age of people of outstanding notability, but I agree that the death of a NP winner is not in and of itself all that notable.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 12:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====Death of [[Kwa Geok Choo]]==== |
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Kwa Geok Choo has [http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20101002-240281.html officially] died. [http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1084739/1/.html This] report on her death says "her contributions to Singapore had been most significant, and pivotal to its history". She was the wife of [[Lee Kuan Yew]], described by Wikipedia as "the first Prime Minister of the Republic of Singapore, from 1959 to 1990, and was one of the longest serving Prime Ministers in the world ... one of the most influential political figures in South-East Asia". Also, the mother of [[Lee Hsien Loong]], the current Prime Minister of Singapore. The [http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1084809/1/.html Belgian PM] has offered his condolences, as have the [http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_586155.html Malaysian PM] and [http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Detail.aspx?Type=aALL&ID=201010020027 President of Taiwan], if that demonstrates some international effects. The PM has [http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1084753/1/.html interrupted] his trip to the Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM) in Brussels and returned to Singapore. "Within hours of" [http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_586151.html the death announcement], "ordinary Singaporean from all walks of life, including those living overseas, began sending in condolences and tributes on news blogs and online sites". --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 02:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Leaning towards oppose, but I'm not certain. She ''was'' old and she seems to be notable primarily by association. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Teal" face="Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</font>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<font color="Navy" face= "Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </font>]] 02:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Oppose'''. The article is three paragraphs long. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 03:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. Her husband was the founder of the nation, but I agree with HJ Mitchell that she was notable primarily by association. When Lee dies, I'll support that nomination no matter how old he is. '''<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Night w|<font color="black">Night</font><font color="gray">w</font>]]</span>''' 03:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. As a Singaporean, I personally believe that while she has contributed greatly to the nation, she's not notable enough to be go on ITN. I agree with Night w's point, it's not significant enough I'm afraid. [[User:AngChenrui|A<small>NG</small>C<small>HENRUI</small>]] [[User talk:AngChenrui|<sup>Talk</sup>]][[User:AngChenrui/BS|♨]] 08:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' sorry I don't think she's significant enough on her own and is just related to exceedingly notable people. When [[Lee Kuan Yew]] dies I'll definitely be strongly supporting. Whether or not you like his methods he's turned Singapore from a backwater into one of the worlds richest and best cities. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] <[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]> 09:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''', sorry, [[WP:NOTINHERITED]]. On her own, notable enough to be in Wikipedia; not notable enough to be covered on the main page. [[User:Strange Passerby|Strange Passerby]] ([[User talk:Strange Passerby|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Strange Passerby|c]] • [[User:Strange Passerby/status2|status]]) 09:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''', not because of the issues of notability by association, but because the article simply doesn't indicate any notability. I have the feeling that if the wife of a hypothetical 30-year US president were to die, it would create banner headlines all over the world and be posted here (to use a real historical example, consider [[Eleanor Roosevelt]]). Actually, I think there would be significant pressure to post the death of [[Nancy Reagan]] were she to die.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' no, I can't think of a First Lady more notorious than [[Madame Nhu]]. Maybe Marie Antoinette but nobody else '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====[[2010 NRL Grand Final]]==== |
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...is today. The [[St George Illawarra Dragons]] are looking for their first premiership in over three decades, while the [[Sydney Roosters]] could become the first team in almost 80 years to win the premiership after finishing bottom of the ladder in the previous season. This is [[WP:ITN/R]]. We could combine the AFL and NRL posting into one post to help alleviate concerns about too much sport this weekend. --[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 00:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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In the [[National Rugby League]], the [[St George Illawarra Dragons]] defeat the [[Sydney Roosters]] 32 to 8 to win the [[2010 NRL Grand Final|2010 premiership]]. --[[User:Thatsgold|Thatsgold]] ([[User talk:Thatsgold|talk]]) 15:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' only as a merged entry with the AFL one. Oppose otherwise. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 05:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''': decent article with a lost of recent updating. Sometimes there are a lot of similar things happening - diversity is good but shouldn't prevent us putting decent articles up. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 10:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''': The NRL Grand Final is the most watched sports event in Oceania. That's a good enough reason to go up for mine. --[[Special:Contributions/110.33.130.133|110.33.130.133]] ([[User talk:110.33.130.133|talk]]) 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:I've '''posted''' this, despite being the nominator, as there are no objections and it is ITN/R. For geographical balance in Australia, the AFL item can't sit on ITN without the NRL item. I haven't bolded any of the NRL pages.--[[User:Mkativerata|Mkativerata]] ([[User talk:Mkativerata|talk]]) 23:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC). |
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*'''Oppose''' How did this get on? The NRL is similar to same level as the [[A-League]] (2 countries) and only covers half of Australia '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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====[[2010 Commonwealth Games]]==== |
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..begins today. [http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cwg-opening-ceremony-to-showcase-india-today/132223-3.html?from=tn CNN-IBN] [http://cwg.ndtv.com/commonwealth/article/id/spoen20100155143/type/latest/Games-all-set-for-a-gala-opening.html NewDelhi TV] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/commonwealth_games/delhi_2010/9052926.stm BBC] [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6674548.cms Times of India] [http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article809162.ece?homepage=true The Hindu] [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68S15L20101002 Reuters] ... Planning to add the news when the Games starts at 7:00 PM IST . Please suggest good phrases -- [[User:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu</em>''']] [[User talk:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian </em>''']] - 03:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC) <br> |
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<small>(moved from [[Wikipedia:In the news/Future events/2010]])</small><br> |
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The '''[[2010 Commonwealth Games]]''' [[2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony|commence]] in [[New Delhi]], India, amidst [[Concerns and controversies over the 2010 Commonwealth Games|numerous concerns and controversies]]. — [[User:AngChenrui|A<small>NG</small>C<small>HENRUI</small>]] [[User talk:AngChenrui|<sup>Talk</sup>]][[User:AngChenrui/BS|♨]] 08:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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: Not sure if 'commence' should be linked however. [[User:AngChenrui|A<small>NG</small>C<small>HENRUI</small>]] [[User talk:AngChenrui|<sup>Talk</sup>]][[User:AngChenrui/BS|♨]] 08:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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: This was earlier nominated, with the concerns and controversies featured, but the nomination did not pass. The event begins today, and as stated in the criteria this event is inherently notable enough to be published once it begins. [[User:AngChenrui|A<small>NG</small>C<small>HENRUI</small>]] [[User talk:AngChenrui|<sup>Talk</sup>]][[User:AngChenrui/BS|♨]] 08:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Support''' though the controversies should be mentioned. -- [[User:Eraserhead1|Eraserhead1]] <[[User_talk:Eraserhead1|talk]]> 08:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::: Yea.. let us forget the controversies... We talked too much on it for now :) -- [[User:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu</em>''']] [[User talk:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian </em>''']] - 13:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' - But the item cannot be added until the article has been updated. That is the one rule that everyone on ITN is unanimously behind --[[User:Daviessimo|Daviessimo]] ([[User talk:Daviessimo|talk]]) 07:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' when updated. --[[User:BorgQueen|BorgQueen]] ([[User talk:BorgQueen|talk]]) 07:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:So should 'commence' be linked in the blurb (to [[2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony]])? The event begins at 7.00 PM IST, the relevant articles should only be updated then. Which I believe people will execute once that time passes. [[User:AngChenrui|A<small>NG</small>C<small>HENRUI</small>]] [[User talk:AngChenrui|<sup>Talk</sup>]][[User:AngChenrui/BS|♨]] 10:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Strong Support''' and three cheers for all the athletes living in and loving the "Giant toilet" ( with due apologies to YM from whom I plagiarized the term)--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 10:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' very notable event. [[User:BritishWatcher|BritishWatcher]] ([[User talk:BritishWatcher|talk]]) 11:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:'''Obvious support'''. The opening ceremony starts at 13:30 UTC. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 11:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:{{ec}} '''Strong support''' once updated (which should happen from 13:30 UTC if my abysmal timezone maths is correct). This was proposed {{oldid2|387250307|on 24 September}} and there was a consensus to list once the games opened. [[User talk:TFOWR|<b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b>]] 12:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:Updated the articles. Worthy of posting right away, no major issues spotted by me. [[User:AngChenrui|A<small>NG</small>C<small>HENRUI</small>]] [[User talk:AngChenrui|<sup>Talk</sup>]][[User:AngChenrui/BS|♨]] 13:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:: Updated .. I will remove the stadium mention once the opening ceremony is over -- [[User:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu</em>''']] [[User talk:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian </em>''']] - 14:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::'''Strong Support''' per above. --[[User:Saqib Qayyum|Saqib Qayyum]] ([[User talk:Saqib Qayyum|talk]]) 14:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::: As per [[User_talk:TFOWR#Admin_that_published_2010_Commonwealth_Games_ITN_blurb|this discussion]], some users felt it was my POV for not including the controversies section for the ITN blurb. Honestly I felt that it was the inclusion of the news of the CWG had the support and not specifically for the controversies section. Kindly express your opinions and I will change the ITN blurb accordingly -- [[User:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu</em>''']] [[User talk:Tinucherian|'''<em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian </em>''']] - 15:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I support not mentioning the controversies in the blurb. All this info can be accessed by the readers in the article with fuller context.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 16:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Fine as is: the controversies were in the news 10 days ago, and don't feature large in today's reports. Of course there are controversies (what large event does not have them?) but they are no longer the story. [[User:Kevin McE|Kevin McE]] ([[User talk:Kevin McE|talk]]) 16:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I concur - it's fine as it is. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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::::: support the blurb as it is. The controversy story is dead as a doornail and irrelevant at the moment. It would be complete violation of NPOV to include them at this point. Indian sanitation, hygiene, punctuality & corruption standards are what they are and not the story here.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 16:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::: Damn :P :( '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">new photo poll]]''</font>) 23:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC) |
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