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* '''Delete''' and '''rename''' "[[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]]." The BBC and Reuters now ([https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-australia-clapper-idUSKBN18Y0SU][http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-house-idUSKBN18X2ZN?il=0][https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-q-a-idUSKBN18Z2ZG][https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-putin-idUSKBN18V0XZ][http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN18Z0HC?il=0][http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40224371][http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40210521][http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38966119] and always have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections/Archive_10#Editorial_policy:_alleged] referred to interference as an allegation, not fact, and this is how the French, German, and Spanish wikis treat the subject as well [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_d%27ing%C3%A9rences_russes_dans_l%27%C3%A9lection_pr%C3%A9sidentielle_am%C3%A9ricaine_de_2016][https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acusaciones_de_interferencia_rusa_en_las_elecciones_presidenciales_de_Estados_Unidos_de_2016][https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackeraff%C3%A4re_zwischen_Russland_und_den_USA_ab_2016]. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 15:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' and '''rename''' "[[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]]." The BBC and Reuters now ([https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-australia-clapper-idUSKBN18Y0SU][http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-house-idUSKBN18X2ZN?il=0][https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-q-a-idUSKBN18Z2ZG][https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-putin-idUSKBN18V0XZ][http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN18Z0HC?il=0][http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40224371][http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40210521][http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38966119] and always have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections/Archive_10#Editorial_policy:_alleged] referred to interference as an allegation, not fact, and this is how the French, German, and Spanish wikis treat the subject as well [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_d%27ing%C3%A9rences_russes_dans_l%27%C3%A9lection_pr%C3%A9sidentielle_am%C3%A9ricaine_de_2016][https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acusaciones_de_interferencia_rusa_en_las_elecciones_presidenciales_de_Estados_Unidos_de_2016][https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackeraff%C3%A4re_zwischen_Russland_und_den_USA_ab_2016]. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 15:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC) |
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* '''Speedily delete''' The title "Donald Trump's Russian Investigation Interference" implies that he did it with certainty and that violates [[WP:BLPCRIME]]. Delete as quickly as possible. <span style="color:blue">'''THE DIAZ'''</span> <sup>[[User talk:The Diaz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The Diaz|contribs]]</sup> 18:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC) |
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This is a pure WP:POVFORK of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, Dismissal of James Comey and Comey memos. Last thing we need is yet another article on these matters… All the contents are covered in the aforementioned articles, with appropriate context. — JFG talk 19:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Trump's interference in these ongoing elections is well documented, noted by many RS's and one of the most important historically things happening today. No question this should be a keep.Casprings (talk) 19:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 19:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 19:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Also the title is inappropriate, unless it is determined that DT did actually interfere in the investigation. ~Awilley (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- @Awilley: the same could be said of the title "Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections", since Reuters and the BBC still treat that "interference" as an allegation and not fact, as do the German, French and Spanish wikis. -Darouet (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Speedy Close the page title is biased and it should be renamed, but that doesn't need to be addressed here. Power~enwiki (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. This is a part of that subject, and while there's plenty of opinion and analysis floating around, they're all pretty much sortable into "Trump's guilty" and "Trump's not guilty". That's not enough material for a standalone article. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections for reasons already given above, or delete per reasons given below. Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC) edited 01:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect specifically here: Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#White House attempts to influence the investigation Lots of duplicate info that can be consolidated. Timtempleton (talk) 21:27, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge Looks like a POVFORK, terrible title too, surprised it hasn't been deleted on those grounds alone. Arkon (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Satisfies WP:GNG on its own. Example: Post-ABC Poll: Most say Trump is interfering with Russia investigations. Sagecandor (talk) 00:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Don't merge or redirect, because the title assumes facts not in evidence, as the lawyers say. IMO it's way too early for an article like this. Maybe someday if the Special Counsel starts making noise about it. But the information we have right now is perfectly able to be (and already is) covered in a few paragraphs in the "White House attempts to influence the investigation" section in the "Russian interference" article. Also, I don't think we have solid enough sourcing for a bald assertion in Wikipedia's voice that he interfered. --MelanieN (talk) 00:40, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete It's an obvious POV fork and has a POV title. While "Dismissal of James Comey" covers the possible reasons for the his dismissal, this article assumes it was done to stop the Russia investigation. TFD (talk) 01:11, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete AND Merge ALL the content into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Donald Trump because it is about Donald Trump's alleged cover-up/ reactions to investigations of the accusations of collusion by him and his campaign members.
It's important to parse this matter properly. This does not relate to whether Trump and Co. actually colluded with Russia. It relates to whether Trump and Co. are impeding the investigation. That is a solid fact. He has done (1) nothing to help the investigation, and (2) everything to deny and impede it, and those two aspects can be documented with myriad RS.
There can be no doubt that this is a very notable subject. It is currently an alleged cover-up. Some see very strong evidence for a cover-up, and others are doubtful if that term is proper, but there is plenty of interference occurring.
As that section grows, it can be split off into a sub-article with an appropriate title. The current title is too strong and inflammatory, but that will likely change fairly soon. When that happens, the title can be changed. Right now I'd suggest Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Donald Trump's reactions to investigations of his alleged role in Russian interference.
It may also be appropriate to merge the content to here: Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections#White House attempts to influence the investigation
BTW, "POV title" is not a reason for deletion. It is a reason to tweak the title. -- BullRangifer (talk) 02:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Fails simplest of WP standards. Cllgbksr (talk) 04:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Cllgbksr, it'd be helpful if you mentioned specifically which standard(s) you're thinking of--it's not obvious to me what would be the "simplest". Thanks!
Innisfree987 (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- I think you would agree a duplicate article violates the simplest of WP standards... which is what I interpret this article to be.Cllgbksr (talk) 16:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per MelanieN. Bad title and premature, POV article. Lepricavark (talk) 04:54, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
*Keep rename to Donald Trump's Obstruction of JusticeMishigas (talk) 06:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC) Blocked sock. --MelanieN (talk) 17:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. The info here can be easily placed in Comey memos and Dismissal of James Comey, and even at efforts to impeach Donald Trump with regards to the obstruction of justice accusations. This really doesn't need its own article. κατάσταση 06:58, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Not policy compliant, pertinent info in other articles already.LM2000 (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, this is just a POV fork.Slatersteven (talk) 09:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Delete; duplication of existing articles. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 10:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC) - Delete and rename "Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections." The BBC and Reuters now ([1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] and always have [9] referred to interference as an allegation, not fact, and this is how the French, German, and Spanish wikis treat the subject as well [10][11][12]. -Darouet (talk) 15:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
- Speedily delete The title "Donald Trump's Russian Investigation Interference" implies that he did it with certainty and that violates WP:BLPCRIME. Delete as quickly as possible. THE DIAZ talk • contribs 18:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)