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- Appealing user
- KidAd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – TonyBallioni (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Sanction being appealed
- 3 month block
- Administrator imposing the sanction
- Ian.thomson (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Notification of that administrator
- The appealing editor is asked to notify the administrator who made the enforcement action of this appeal, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The appeal may not be processed otherwise. If a block is appealed, the editor moving the appeal to this board should make the notification.
Statement by KidAd
I am aware of the parameters of my block, and I have complied with them. I reverted vandalism on the the page of a journalist and I have been engaging in debate on whether the first lady and second gentleman of California should be referred to as "first partners." These people are not politicians or political appointees, staffers, or public employees. I edited no information about policy or contested political opinions. On the page of the former Buzzfeed journalist, I reverted persistent vandalism with the help of other editors. It was never made clear to me that I couldn't edit the pages of journalists. I have complied with my topic ban thus far and believe that this new block is unjustified. If Ian.thomson wants to insult my competency, let him. KidAd (talk) 21:23, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Ian.thomson: @TonyBallioni: I retract this unblock request and plan on logging out effective immediately. I suggest that you do not waste any more time on this. I initially attempted to comply with the topic ban after my block timed up, but found myself slowly inching back to editing topics that interested me (on the periphery of post-1932 American politics). I stand by these edits as made in good faith and productive, but I understand that they were in violation of the topic ban. I have nothing more to say about this it is not in my best interest to pointlessly argue with administrators. I Thank all involved for your time. I now plan on stepping back without any further excuses and diverting my efforts to other pursuits. KidAd (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2019 copied from KidAd's TP.Icewhiz (talk) 11:29, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Ian.thomson
I hadn't quite thought that this would end up in front of ArbCom but I'm not sure if/how things would have gone differently. As Nil_Einne pointed out at ANI, in this edit, KidAd should have absolutely realized that he was editing an article that related to post-1932 American politics. Had I spotted that diff before carrying out the block, and had I known that KidAd was going to argue with a straight face that articles about American political journalists and spouses of American politicians and political consultants have nothing to do with American politics, I'd've just gone with an indef. I simply can't imagine simultaneous competence and good faith in the face of that (un)reasoning, just one or the other at most. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:10, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by Innisfree987
- Support block. As another example, KidAd repeatedly (starting here) tried to nominate Ashley Feinberg, a journalist who often reports on politics, for CSD despite multiple editors declining, and failing that, nominated to AfD saying that perhaps the journalist would one day be notable if she
ends up publishing this generation's equivalent of the Pentagon Papers (here, for anyone unfamiliar). I don't know whether overlooking their own invocation of the political involvement reveals bad faith or a major WP:CIR issue, but if the bottom line is that an editor continually tests the limits of their topic ban, the TBAN isn't working to prevent disruption. That AfD alone has wasted the time of ten editors--eight ivoters unanimously voting keep and two more who helped get it listed properly. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Question by Beyond My Ken
@KidAd: Please explain what the phrase "Broadly construed" means to you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:18, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Never mind, I just read the egregious Wikilawyering on his talk page. I am no longer interested in this matter. Appeal should obviously be denied. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:25, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Statement by (involved editor 2)
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by KidAd
Please note that this appeal was heavily edited by KidAd after it was copied here.[5] --Guy Macon (talk) 03:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Related:[reply]
--Guy Macon (talk) 19:54, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- To present just one example, KidAd edited Markos Kounalakis, the biography of a person who is a political scientist and foreign policy analyst, who is the president and publisher emeritus of the well known political magazine Washington Monthly and who co-hosted a radio show about politics, and who has helped establish chairs in politics and democracy at two major universities. KidAd's argument that editing this biography is not a violation of their topic ban on post-1932 politics broadly construed is disingenuous and laughable. The block should stand. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:10, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said one his talk page (and he agreed to do), "Don't be that person who stands right on the line he isn't allowed to cross with his toes across the line. Stay a mile away from the line you cannot cross. Make it so that if anyone accuses you of violating your topic ban the unanimous opinion will be that they are crazy." --Guy Macon (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Result of the appeal by KidAd
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- No opinion either way on the block, but noting as the block was for an AE TBAN violation, I felt it makes sense for it to come here. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ian.thomson, this isn't in front of ArbCom, but because the initial topic ban was made under WP:AC/DS it's an arbitration enforcement block, which is why I copied it here and mentioned the need to log it. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:05, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but I don't buy the idea that the partners of high-profile political figures aren't covered under your TBAN, especially when your arguing about their official title. As an example, I'm pretty sure edits to Melania Trump or Michelle Obama would be covered under a post-1932 politics ban. Definitely within the scope of the sanctioning admin's discretion, so I'd uphold. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I would decline the appeal. While a first spouse can be notable for reasons unrelated to that position, the edits (example) by KidAd related to that position and therefore to the person's quality as a political figure. Sandstein 22:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure there is a grey area here, between political journalists and journalists who occasionally cover politics; between activist authors and authors who sometimes comment on politics; and between edits to the biography of California's first related to her role as first lady and edits related to the rest of her life. None of the edits presented in the second ANI linked above fall into this grey area. They are all either on subjects that are squarely political or are about aspects of the subject that are obviously political. I would decline the appeal. If KidAd seriously contends that the title of the first lady is not a political topic then we are probably moving into CIR territory, but I would still let this block play out. GoldenRing (talk) 08:36, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- This was not an accidental transgressions into a grey area, it was multiple instances of editing subjects squarely within the topic ban and then trying to wikilawyer about it; and then there is the edit warring over the speedy deletion tag at Ashley Feinberg. This was a good block that I endorse. Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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