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*I am very sorry about this. I did not think this would be a violation. I thought I was OK in pointing out to people other articles they might want to look at. I was not trying to suggest anything but reviewing the article. I was not trying to propose any action. I am very sorry about this. I will avoid pointing people to look at any specific article in the future. I see now that this was not the best action on my part. I am very sorry about it. I see now this set of actions was unwise on my part. I was not trying to do anything but point out to the person other articles they might want to look over. I should have thought about this more and avoided it. I am very, very sorry. I was not trying to be disruptive, and did not realize this would be so problematic. I will not do it again.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 12:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
*I am very sorry about this. I did not think this would be a violation. I thought I was OK in pointing out to people other articles they might want to look at. I was not trying to suggest anything but reviewing the article. I was not trying to propose any action. I am very sorry about this. I will avoid pointing people to look at any specific article in the future. I see now that this was not the best action on my part. I am very sorry about it. I see now this set of actions was unwise on my part. I was not trying to do anything but point out to the person other articles they might want to look over. I should have thought about this more and avoided it. I am very, very sorry. I was not trying to be disruptive, and did not realize this would be so problematic. I will not do it again.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 12:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
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**I really was trying to develop a congenial atmosphere with another editor. I realize now I should have found a different approach. I am very, very, very, very sorry about this. I understand now that this was out of line and unacceptable.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 12:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
**I really was trying to develop a congenial atmosphere with another editor. I realize now I should have found a different approach. I am very, very, very, very sorry about this. I understand now that this was out of line and unacceptable.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 12:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
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*I am really sincerly sorry about this. I see now that I should not have mentioned any specific pages.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 12:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
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*I have a question about the scope of the topic ban. It realted to categories. Someone told me that I should avoid CfD. I am wondering though, since most of CfD (categories for discussion) is not about deletion but renaming, is the ban for any CfD, or only that related to deletion. What is even the best place to ask this?[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 12:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC) |
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SCNBAH
SCNBAH has been blocked as an Icewhiz sock by Tamzin, so nothing is left to do here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Note that there isnt a single source for the idea this was a Hezbollah attack, but regardless Hezbollah is a primary article in the ARBPIA topic and all edits related to it are covered by 500/30. The article has the edit notice and talk page notice for related content, and the user was warned about this material specifically. Also note that a number of users with a handful of edits have returned after year+ long absences to become active in this dispute, eg SCNBAH and Smoking Ethel
Dennis, it was in there before, removed several times in fact. The first reinsertion was just a revert of my removal here. Which was followed by another revert of an edit by me. nableezy - 19:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Notified Discussion concerning SCNBAHStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by SCNBAHStatement by ResearcherI will not defend SCNBAH's edits as I have not checked the sources they used or their edits. However, User:Dennis Brown, this is very large expansion of the Israeli-Arab conflict. Stabbing of Salman Rushdie has nothing to do with Israel, it is not part of the conflict. The claim that any edit mentioning Hezbollah in a context other than the conflict is a large overreach. Are 2022 Lebanese general election or 17 October Revolution, internal Lebanese affairs which involve Hezbollah, now conflict protected everywhere they mention Hezbollah? Hezbollah is a large player with 19.89% of the vote. Is every article on and in Israel now covered by the conflict? There are tens of thousands of Israeli biographies, institutions, organizations, sports, and so on that have nothing to with the conflict but they do mention Israel throughout. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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SaintAviator
SaintAviator blocked indefinitely (as a normal admin sanction) for disruptive editing. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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WP:NOTFORUM rants about their belief that Ukraine/Zelenskyy are Nazis/Hitler etc.; purposefully spreading misinformation. No attempts at, or interest in, constructive collaboration. They were topic banned under ARBEE for exactly the same behaviour in 2017.
Clearly WP:NOTHERE. Has a history of disruptively using talk pages and has been warned adequately over multiple years. Deliberately uses a misleading signature in order to confuse editors.
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Newimpartial
No action taken. This appears to be outside of the AP2 discretionary sanctions authority, and there are no behavioral issues that require immediate use of standard admin actions either. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Newimpartial did not violate 3RR, but 3RR is a limit, not an entitlement. Newimpartial has continually exhibited almost every bullet point of WP:DISRUPTIVE editing over an extended period of time. Especially disruptive is Newimpartial's tendency to remove cited claims with inadequate explanation, and try to boomerang requests for clarification by alleging "sealioning". It is a strategy designed to stonewall. This is not a feature of their interaction with me, but a feature of their approach to the topic of the Frankfurt School. If administrators are interested, I can point to further diffs in 2020. While collecting diffs, something I found no evidence for is Newimpartial building encyclopedic content about Marxism when there wasn't an obvious culture war angle.
Discussion concerning NewimpartialStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by NewimpartialThis is very silly. WP:BOOMERANG, anyone?
Senallen is complaining about my partial reverts of their edits for which they have been unable to obtain consensus on the relevant Talk page.[8]
Their filing here seems either to misunderstand a large number of my edits. The issue in this minor removal, for example, is not whether
As far as the allegation that This filing appears to simply be Senallen's attempt to "punish" an opponent when they don't get their way on Talk; I do wonder about any WP:SPA on this topic area whether they have edited in it (or been banned from it) before, but my having wondered aloud about this last year is scarcely a ground for "punishment", then or now. As far as disrupting the topic area - Senallen's consistent POV pushing in article space, in spite of multiple editors' objections on Talk, is where disruption has been taking place; my refusal to WP:SATISFY them is not the real issue. Newimpartial (talk) 11:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC) Statement by Sideswipe9thI may be mistaken, but are the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, Marxist cultural analysis articles and their associated talk pages actually subject to the AP2 DS? I've had a quick skim of the diffs provided for the contributions from this month, and cannot see anything obvious that is covered under AP2. What am I missing here? Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC) Statement by FirefangledfeathersThis filing is erroneous from the start. The first diff is presented with "Their edit summaries did not explain the reverts", which is incorrect. Newimpartial's edit summary, Statement by AquillionEven if these were covered by WP:AP2, I fail to see how this is anything but a content dispute, or how Newimpartial's behavior could possibly be worse than Sennalen's own. Sennalen WP:BOLDly rewrote massive parts of the article over the course of several days; reverting a bold rewrite is entirely reasonable. Sennalen then revert-warred to retain their changes: [14][15][16] (note in the first revert, Sennalen implied that their proposed additions should remain in place during discussions.) The discussions on talk don't seem to be producing any clear consensus for Sennalen's changes, at a glance, which makes edit-warring them back in even worse. It seems like Sennalen believed that the fact that it was a few days before anyone raised objections means that their edits are now the WP:STATUSQUO, which is definitely not the case - there's some valid disagreement over when text has implicit consensus, but a few days is clearly insufficient. I don't think this has reached the point where it would be more than a content-dispute, but if there are conduct issues here then they concern Sennalen more than Newimpartial. Also, this is tangential, but glancing over the edits and talk-page discussions I'm extremely skeptical about Sennalen's assertion that their edits are focused on "explaining why the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is wrong." That is clearly not the locus of dispute, and the insistence that it is strains good faith. --Aquillion (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC) Statement by TewdarAnybody new showing up to this article whose viewpoint diverges from the consensus (and by this, I do not mean making claims like "Marxists have taken over America by pushing drugs to students" or whatevs, but content based on academic sources, Sage Encyclopedia entries, OED definitions, that sort of thing, all of which have been either completely or partially excluded from the article at various stages because "WP:CONSENSUS") will be (explicitly or implicity, often explicitly) accused of being a believer in the conspiracy theory, a sockpuppet, a troll, or a racist, by a small group of editors who often seem to prefer to rely on their own unsourced original analysis of capitalization, or unorthodox quantification procedures, while the primary determinant of source inclusion seems to be whether it might be used by someone, somewhere, to somehow 'prove' that the conspiracy is 'true'. Blatantly obvious misrepresentation of sources, that any L1 English speaker can see are false, require a month-long RfC to remove. Getting rid of falsely attributed quotations takes serious effort and a lot of time, with resistance justified by statements that boil down to "I don't give a **** if we misrepresent a bunch of antisemites!" I appreciate the way the grizzled veterans are guarding the article against the edits of dodgy conspiracy theorists who show up quite regularly to moan on the talk page. But I think they're overdoing it a bit. Tewdar 08:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Newimpartial
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Johnpacklambert
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Request concerning Johnpacklambert
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Guerillero (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Johnpacklambert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing#Johnpacklambert topic banned
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 19 August 2022 Johnpacklambert requests that Nythar "have a look at" an article that may be PRODable. Since the message from Nythar mentions PROD in the proceding message this is an unambiguous request to proxy for Johnpacklambert. This is in a gray area and was reported on my talk page while I was away, so I wanted to bring this behavior here for further discussion with other admins.
- @Dennis Brown and Firefly: Any thoughts on the block time? I was thinking a month, the max time for a first violation. We are just coming off of the case where Johnpacklambert was informed that they should stay away from deletions. I would personally like to send a clear message that arbcom topic bans are not to be trifled with. There is also an extensive history of community topic ban violations that make me skeptical that a softer approach will be taken seriously --Guerillero Parlez Moi 11:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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Statement by Johnpacklambert
- I am very sorry about this. I did not think this would be a violation. I thought I was OK in pointing out to people other articles they might want to look at. I was not trying to suggest anything but reviewing the article. I was not trying to propose any action. I am very sorry about this. I will avoid pointing people to look at any specific article in the future. I see now that this was not the best action on my part. I am very sorry about it. I see now this set of actions was unwise on my part. I was not trying to do anything but point out to the person other articles they might want to look over. I should have thought about this more and avoided it. I am very, very sorry. I was not trying to be disruptive, and did not realize this would be so problematic. I will not do it again.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:04, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- I really was trying to develop a congenial atmosphere with another editor. I realize now I should have found a different approach. I am very, very, very, very sorry about this. I understand now that this was out of line and unacceptable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am really sincerly sorry about this. I see now that I should not have mentioned any specific pages.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- I have a question about the scope of the topic ban. It realted to categories. Someone told me that I should avoid CfD. I am wondering though, since most of CfD (categories for discussion) is not about deletion but renaming, is the ban for any CfD, or only that related to deletion. What is even the best place to ask this?John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Nableezy
Clear violation, should result in a block. nableezy - 00:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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Result concerning Johnpacklambert
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Clearly a violation. I would note, this is a new sanction, yet the tone of the comment seems to be that he knew that he was skirting his restriction. I would like to hear Johnpacklambert's take on it before having an opinion on sanctions. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- So we have Johnpacklambert leaving a somewhat cryptic message on the talk page of someone who had just nominated a bunch of PRODs, and then pointing them to another article to "have a look at". Despite not mentioning PROD or deletion in any of their messages, it seems clear to me that Johnpacklambert's intent was to find someone to proxy for them, which certainly violates the spirit if not the letter of their topic ban. firefly ( t · c ) 07:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Guerillero - Agreed. Given that the relevant case was closed less than a month ago (20 days exactly!), I find it unlikely that Johnpacklambert could be unaware of the seriousness of the topic ban. If TBANs are to be truly effective, we must take just as dim a view of pushing just over the boundaries or dragging uninvolved editors in to proxy as we do of bright-line violations. Support a one month block for the reasons you outline. firefly ( t · c ) 11:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't behavior I like to see; I struggle to interpret this as a good faith error, and can't see any mitigating circumstances. JPL has been a noticeboard frequent flyer, and I echo Guerillero's desire to set a hard boundary here. Vanamonde (Talk) 11:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Concur that it's an unambiguous violation. I don't really object to a month-long block, but since their two last TBAN violation blocks were both reversed within days, I think a shorter one (maybe two weeks?) that actually sticks might also do the trick. --Blablubbs (talk) 12:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)