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<div>Alanya is a seaside resort city and district of [[Antalya Province]] in the [[Mediterranean Region, Turkey|Mediterranean region of Turkey]]. The municipal district, which includes the city center, has close to {{nowrap|400,000 inhabitants}}. The population is almost entirely of [[Anatolia]]n origin, but is home to almost {{nowrap|10,000 [[Demography of Europe|European]]}} residents, with a growing presence in the city and its economy. Because of its natural strategic position on a small peninsula into the [[Mediterranean Sea]] below the [[Taurus Mountains]], Alanya has been a local stronghold for many [[History of the Mediterranean region|Mediterranean-based empires]], including the [[Ptolemaic Kingdom|Ptolemaic]], [[Roman Empire|Roman]], [[Byzantine Empire|Byzantine]], and [[Ottoman Empire]]s. Alanya's greatest political importance came in the [[Middle Ages]] with the [[Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm]] under the rule of [[Alaeddin Keykubad I]], from whom the city derives its name. His building campaign resulted in many of the city's landmarks, such as the [[Kızıl Kule]] (Red Tower), Tersane (Shipyard), and [[Alanya Castle]]. The relatively moderate [[Mediterranean climate]], natural attractions, and historic heritage makes Alanya a popular destination for tourism, and responsible for nine percent of [[Tourism in Turkey|Turkey's tourism sector]] and thirty percent of [[foreign purchases of real estate in Turkey]]. Tourism has risen since 1958 to become the dominant industry in the city, resulting in a corresponding increase in city population.('''[[Alanya|more...]]''')</div></div> |
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Self nominating [[Alanya]] for September 6, the four hundred year anniversary of the rebuff of the Venetian fleet by the local inhabitants. This is a significant date considering the maritime nature of the Turkish port city and its medieval economic connection with the Italians. The last city article was [[Ann Arbor, Michigan]] on August 5, so I don't think there are any deductions for recent similar articles.--[[User:Patrickneil|Patrick]] [[User talk:Patrickneil|Ѻ]] 23:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::'''Answer:''' Appreciate it if you [[WP:SIG|signed]] every once in a while. And what does being American have to do Wikipedia's main page? -- '''[[User:VegitaU|<font color="green" face="Times New Roman">Veggy</font>]]''' ('''''[[User talk:VegitaU|<font color="orange" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 16:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC) |
:::::'''Answer:''' Appreciate it if you [[WP:SIG|signed]] every once in a while. And what does being American have to do Wikipedia's main page? -- '''[[User:VegitaU|<font color="green" face="Times New Roman">Veggy</font>]]''' ('''''[[User talk:VegitaU|<font color="orange" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 16:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::'''Minor comment''': I am spanish, and I have voted support. Nothing to do with americans.--[[User:Garrondo|Garrondo]] ([[User talk:Garrondo|talk]]) 07:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC) |
::::::'''Minor comment''': I am spanish, and I have voted support. Nothing to do with americans.--[[User:Garrondo|Garrondo]] ([[User talk:Garrondo|talk]]) 07:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - per above.--[[User:Patrickneil|Patrick]] [[User talk:Patrickneil|Ѻ]] 22:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' - definitely good to get this on the Main Page for this date. --[[User:Aude|Aude]] <small>([[User talk:Aude|talk]])</small> 00:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
* '''Support''' - definitely good to get this on the Main Page for this date. --[[User:Aude|Aude]] <small>([[User talk:Aude|talk]])</small> 00:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' The points system isn't really work well if Alzheimer's disease risks to be eliminated from the mainpage on its own day for not having enough points; while a commercial gets the same bonus points for being nominated for its first air date. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 04:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC) |
* '''Support''' The points system isn't really work well if Alzheimer's disease risks to be eliminated from the mainpage on its own day for not having enough points; while a commercial gets the same bonus points for being nominated for its first air date. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 04:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC) |
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<div>'''''[[noitulovE]]''''' is a [[United Kingdom|British]] [[Television advertisement|television and cinema]] [[advertising|advertisement]] launched by [[Diageo]] in 2005 to promote [[Guinness]]-brand [[draught beer|draught]] [[stout]]. The sixty-second piece formed the cornerstone of a [[Pound Sterling|£]]15M [[advertising campaign]] targeting men in their late twenties and early thirties. The commercial follows three patrons of a [[London]] [[public house|pub]] on a journey back through time, showing the group "de-evolving" through a number of forms, from ape, to lizard, to mudskipper. The commercial was handled by the [[advertising agency]] [[Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO]], and was directed by [[Daniel Kleinman]]. It debuted on British television on [[3 October]] [[2005]]. It is the fifth piece in the [[Good things come to those who wait]] series, and its premiere marked the end of a four-year hiatus. The advert was a critical and financial success, receiving over thirty awards from organisations in the advertising and television industries, and was the most-awarded commercial of 2006. The impact of the campaign was such that during a period in which the UK [[beer]] market experienced a substantial decline in [[revenue]], Guinness reported that its earnings within the region had noticeably increased. At the same time, Guinness achieved its highest ever volume and value shares and became the [[Market dominance|market leader]] within the region. This was attributed in no small part to the positive reception garnered by ''noitulovE''. ('''[[noitulovE|more…]]''') |
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:Four points. ''noitulovE'' would be the first article on an advertisement in any medium to make the Main Page (two points). October 3 is the anniversary of its first broadcast, and this would be the first article by the primary contributor to make it through, making for a total of four points. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>• 21:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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:: Better [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-09/Dispatches|prepare yourself for that one]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 00:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
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* '''support''' this date or hold until St Patrick's day 2009 [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 05:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''oppose''' this seems a little random by having first broadcast date. Perhaps an award date? Something dealing with Guinness date? I like the St Patrick's day idea. People wont know the date for this ad, but would see a connection with something Guinness/Irish drinking related. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:*The date of the original broadcast is listed in the suggested blurb, so I don't buy "people won't know the date for this ad". <span style="font-family:verdana">[[User:Yllosubmarine|María]] </span><small>([[User talk:Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">habla</span>]] con[[Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">migo</span>]])</small> 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::It may say it on the page, but I am talking about outside of the page. People wont see a connection until reading it, unlike other things. I would rather a more obvious connection. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::A minimal amount of reading is essential in any case, wouldn't you say? This being an ''encyclopedia'' and all. Not many people know off hand the flight numbers of the planes that crashed on 9/11 but once they ''read'' "9/11" in the blurb and recognize that it's the anniversary ''of'' 9/11, the connection is made clear. Like a film article TFA on the anniversary of the film's premiere date, this article has an explicit date connection. I don't think we can ask that all requested date connections be somehow intuitive. What about birthdays? Who knows off the top of their head what day [[Mary Shelley]] was born? <span style="font-family:verdana">[[User:Yllosubmarine|María]] </span><small>([[User talk:Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">habla</span>]] con[[Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">migo</span>]])</small> 18:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I can't be persuaded by your great comparisons, because this is a commercial, verse notable people or things involved in notable events. If it was a big drinking day, then I could see the connection, but I would have to see a theme relationship and not a time relationship. Thats just me. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 19:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::So, if it were instead an advertisement for toilet paper, rather than beer, then would the date connection be appropriate? If so, why should this be any different? If not, what date would you propose that a toilet paper advertisement article be shown? How about if this were a feature length film instead of a commercial (say, ''[[Michael Power (Guinness character)|Critical Assignment]]'')? I just don't see why first broadcast dates should matter for films, television programmes, and radio shows, and not advertisements. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>• 23:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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::::::If it was toilet paper, then I wouldn't say any date would be appropriate, unless there was some sort of national defecation day. Then, even still, I wouldn't like it. I would also not see the first broadcasting date work for a film, or anything like that. If it was the date of the Academy awards and it won an Academy award, sure. Golden globes? Maybe. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 00:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Is there an insinuation (or outright statement) that Irish people drink a lot or St. Patrick's Day is a celebration of binge drinking? My Irish half is trying to get offended, and is considering challenging those who are saying these things to a fight. My drunken Irish half would rather you pass another pint. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 00:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::: :P Is Guinness no longer Irish? I prefer Smithwicks, so, you can say it isn't. :) I can't think of any other Irishy dates, unless you want to get political. I don't think politics and alcohol mix, or only as a way in order to try to overcome/ignore politics. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 01:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The article is not about Guinness, it's about an advert. The advert premiered on October 3, 2005. This day is mentioned in the blurb and in the first paragraph of the article. The advert won numerous awards on multiple days; these days are clearly not notable because they are not exclusive to the advert. The date connection is not tenuous or far fetched -- it's right there and it follows in the steps of ''many'' TFAs that coincided with premiere/broadcast anniversaries for not only films and TV shows but also albums, video games, etc. Okay, I'm done beating this horse after its untimely demise, but such an oppose irks me. I would lose what little faith I have left in this new TFA system were this request replaced simply because one baffling opinion tipped the "approval percentage" scales. <span style="font-family:verdana">[[User:Yllosubmarine|María]] </span><small>([[User talk:Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">habla</span>]] con[[Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">migo</span>]])</small> 03:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': One of my favorite commercials and one that I wouldn't have seen if it hadn't been for this article. The date connection is, as I said above, quite obvious. St. Paddy's day would also be fitting, but with four points this has a fair chance. <span style="font-family:verdana">[[User:Yllosubmarine|María]] </span><small>([[User talk:Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">habla</span>]] con[[Special:Contributions/Yllosubmarine|<span style="color:green">migo</span>]])</small> 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Just because Guinness is an Irish product, doesn't mean it has to be featured on St. Paddy's Day. Would a commercial for Coors have to be featured on the Fourth of July?--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Since it is directed towards me - Labor day, Memorial day, etc, are just fine. :) [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 02:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' It just doesnt grab me, nor does "the first broadcast date" seem significant to me. [[User:Prom3th3an|<b><span style="color:#FF0000;background:white"> «<span style="color:#736F6E">l<span style="color:#736F6E">|<span style="color:#151B54"> Ψrom3th3ăn ™</span>|</span>l</span>» </span></b>]] [[User_talk:Prom3th3an| (talk)]] 03:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' The first broadcast date seems significant enough to me. –[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 13:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - But '''not''' with that image, which doesn't even appear in the article. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 13:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Sep 8 | Yellowstone fires of 1988 | 5 | 20-yr anniversary |
Sep 11 | United Airlines Flight 93 | 3 | Anniversary |
Sep 15 | John Bull (locomotive) | 4 | Anniversaries |
Sep 21 | Alzheimer's disease | 2 or 4 | Alzheimer's disease international day |
Oct 3 | noitulovE | 4 | Anniversary |
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September 8
Replaced Michael Jackson which was requested for 8/29 due to oppose and only two points for the nominator and one support...[1]
Self nominating Yellowstone fires of 1988 for 9/8/2008 due to 20 year anniversary of the fires which closed Yellowstone National Park for the first time in its history on that date. Equates to 2 pts decennary and 2 points for no similar articles in six months. Most significant event to occur in the history of the National Park Service and Yellowstone NP for that matter...at least since both the park and the park service were founded.--MONGO 22:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Plus one point for more than a year since featured = 5 points. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support --Aude (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - as this looks promising, it'd be good if you'd expand the blurb you posted above. NB, I think you need a pausal comma near the date, ie "and, on September 8, 1988," to mark off the subordinate clause. --Dweller (talk) 09:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Done...both suggestions...thanks!--MONGO 22:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Looks good –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Karanacs (talk) 13:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support great selection.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - a fine choice. Risker (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
September 11
Nominating United Airlines Flight 93 for Today's FA on September 11—the 7th anniversary of the attacks. One point for date, one point for no similar articles within three months, one point for myself never having nominated a TFAR. --> 3 pts. (Note: there should be a paragraph break after "wrest control of the aircraft", but it's not coming up on my computer for some reason) -- Veggy (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Good nomination, if a little early. I think we need to rethink how early we allow nominations on this page, as there are limited slots available. --Dweller (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Really? Limited slots? How exactly does the process work? Who decides when articles go on the page because it looks random besides the requests on here. -- Veggy (talk) 15:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - Very appropriate article for the day, excellent idea. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - It must be run on this day! 100% relevant to the date. Dincher (talk) 00:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Date relevance and the article is well written, espcially considering the long standing arguments that were finally worked out.--MONGO 05:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Definitely appropriate since the article concerns an event named after the date that it occurred. Cla68 (talk) 06:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Great choice, relevant to date, well written article. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment article does not mention conspiracy theories about the plane having been shot down.--Aejrad (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps it would be wise to discuss that on the article talk page. I know there is a 9/11 conspiracy theories article, look it up, it may be discussed there.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This user has no contributions other than his comment about conspiracy theories. Presenting these baseless theories constitutes undue weight and, as such, are not mentioned. -- Veggy (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support --Aude (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support I even gave thought to not making a nomination so that this one would have a better chance. It's hard to image a more appropriate article for this date. Maybe a case to apply WP:IAR if a point-based system would knock it off.Kww (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Wish we had WP:SNOW apply to this page.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment I suggest this nomination get one more for notability. I know the idea is that a 12 year old might do an assignment about the topic, and that children's books have been written about it. Well, here is a children's book about Flight 93. --Aude (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: I think the problem is the point for anniversary. For an event like this that takes place on one day, it gets the same point as the Holloway disappearance that can technically be "anniversaried" on multiple days. -- Veggy (talk) 22:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, but you have Yellowstone with the same thing, and for all the talk about the most significant event in the history of the NPS, Sept 8 isn't mentioned in the blurb, and you have to dig to find it. And planet, we always had planets, Aug 24 is the anniversary of really dwarf planets being defined away. There were others, but they are off the page now.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yellowstone fires hits 44 books and UA 93 hits 9 from amazon.com children's books. (I'm unclear if we've come to consensus on how to determine the notability point, but I'd give a point to both of them, and then they're both probably safe from being replaced.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Sandy, let's leave status quo. NO ONE is going to remove the 9/11 article, I mean NO ONE. If Yao spent three weeks at two points and no one removed him, no one is going to touch this article. That effectively shields Yellowstone. Let's just leave things be. If I'm wrong, I will personally throw egg on my face. As for notability, I think we had unanimous support for removal but not enough editors for anyone to feel comfortable there was consensus, so I think we tacitly decided to throw all proposals out out and reassess after Labor Day--Wehwalt (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to agree (that is, that they have enough points to stay on the page, hence, no need to stir the nest of the notability point). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Sandy, let's leave status quo. NO ONE is going to remove the 9/11 article, I mean NO ONE. If Yao spent three weeks at two points and no one removed him, no one is going to touch this article. That effectively shields Yellowstone. Let's just leave things be. If I'm wrong, I will personally throw egg on my face. As for notability, I think we had unanimous support for removal but not enough editors for anyone to feel comfortable there was consensus, so I think we tacitly decided to throw all proposals out out and reassess after Labor Day--Wehwalt (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yellowstone fires hits 44 books and UA 93 hits 9 from amazon.com children's books. (I'm unclear if we've come to consensus on how to determine the notability point, but I'd give a point to both of them, and then they're both probably safe from being replaced.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support- Good article for the date. Halgin (talk) 01:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - I can't believe it has been 7 years! Perfect selection. H1nkles (talk) 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Per directly above –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Obviously a relevant date.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - per above. Sceptre (talk) 18:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support- What else can be said?--Garrondo (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Provisional "Hell Yeah" Support I agree 100% for this, as long as we are not setting a precedent for articles of this topic to be chosen on this day, every year from now on. «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l» (talk) 04:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
- Response: As long as 9/11 attacks are not chosen over other important events on the same day every year from now on with the exception of 10 years... etc, I dont mind .
September 15
4 points: 2 points for age (Promoted on December 18, 2004); 1 point for date (First ran on September 15, 1831 and became the oldest operable steam locomotive in the world on September 15, 1981; and 1 point for no similar article has been featured on the main page within three months of requested date (last railroad article was May 15). Halgin (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - article has just undergone WP:FAR and has been much improved. — Tivedshambo (t/c) 14:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support No problems here. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Interesting topic for the main page. Karanacs (talk) 14:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support an interesting anniversary, and a subject worthy of attention. . . dave souza, talk 15:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- comment - The only change I would make to the proposed summary is to include something before the last sentence about the replica's construction in 1939 to prevent unnecessary wear on the original. Such a sentence exists in the article's lead section but was edited out for this summary. Slambo (Speak) 19:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
September 21
Replaced Tyrone Wheatley which was requested for 4 October and had between two and three points...here
Although each sufferer experiences Alzheimer's in unique ways, there are many common symptoms. The earliest observable symptoms are often mistakenly thought to be 'age-related' concerns, or manifestations of stress. The most commonly recognised early symptom is memory loss, such as difficulty in remembering recently learned facts.(more…)
This article gets 3-5 points: The date is VERY relevant since the 21 of september is Alzheimer's disease international day (+1), it is in the Vital article list (+2), I have never requested an article for the main page (+1) and the article is in the list of underrepresented themes (biology and medicine) (+1). This gives a total of five, however just for one day it gets a -2 since polio appeared in main page the 22 of august. Punctuation appart it would be really positive in such a day when many TV channes and other media do specials on the disease that the wikipedia main page had the article in it. There are very few diseases which have such an impact on society as this one and there is no better date. --Garrondo (talk) 13:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Incorrect point tally, Garrondo and Orange have each had mainpage appearances. You might build consensus on talk here as to whether LeadSongDog's contributions make him/her a significant contributor. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- I thought I was using a loophole. I didn't know Garrondo had a main page article recently. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Incorrect point tally, Garrondo and Orange have each had mainpage appearances. You might build consensus on talk here as to whether LeadSongDog's contributions make him/her a significant contributor. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. This is an important article to be on the main page. Karanacs (talk) 13:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. As the co-editor of this article, I have a personal bias. But for one day, this article would have 5 points, making it a near "no-brainer" for inclusion. The article is an important one for individuals who might want to read a well sourced, written, and informative article. I would be proud to say that anyone who wants to find real information about this disease, if it inflicts them or a family member. But I rant. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Given that there's a specific day associated with this topic outside of wikipedia, it would seem very reasonable to have it, as a FA, featured on that day. SDY (talk) 14:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support an article about a subject of considerable significance that's likely to be in international news stories that day, relating to an event worthy of support. . . dave souza, talk 15:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support This article is a three by the scoring system above although it misses being a five by just a day. Thus, I think it is subject to removal by a four, but this is a relevant topic for the day. It scores above my submission of Wheatley, which was about a 2.5. Good luck on surviving until selection day.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- IAR Support, but your points are wrong. Garrondo and Orange have each had main page appearances (Treatment of multiple sclerosis and the K-T article). Deduct the point for contributor history. However, unless a stronger candidate appears, I strongly support that we ignore the deduction of the two points per one day; we can't be that rigid about the application of points when we have a clearly important date. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- WAIT A SECOND If this is a 2-pointer that is being given special consideration to be evaluated as a 4-pointer, should it have been allowed to bump a 2.5-pointer?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you want to get technical, they could claim the point for LeadSongDog never having a mainpage appearance, a one-day application of a point deduction is a bit silly when Raul doesn't schedule that way, and Tyrone's points were disputed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support World Alzheimer's Day would be a great day for this to debut. The advocacy groups even advertise this day. I was an early editor and recruited Garrando to join the team after I saw his MS pages. --Chrispounds (talk) 19:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think this is a four pointer. I think it would be stupid to deduct 2 points for exactly 30 days, and "within" is arguable. There are no half points, anyway. The date of Michigan homecoming was not relevant to Wheatley. We've been pretty liberal about date relevance here, but that would have pushed it beyond the limits.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't have much of a problem getting bumped for a vital article. I just don't think that the point system has been refined very clearly yet. What about the article that gets no supports within 48 hours. Is it bumpable by another article? There should be a rule for such a situation.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Nominator counts as a support, so don't see how that's possible. Obviously the system could use refinement but everytime we've tied, we've gotten tied up. Hoping after Labor Day, there will be more people around and we'll be able to get more input and achieve consensus. I wouldn't lose much sleep, this article goes away two weeks before you want yours to appear. No biggie.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- If no one but the nominator supports like the article below, is that a problem?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Nominator counts as a support, so don't see how that's possible. Obviously the system could use refinement but everytime we've tied, we've gotten tied up. Hoping after Labor Day, there will be more people around and we'll be able to get more input and achieve consensus. I wouldn't lose much sleep, this article goes away two weeks before you want yours to appear. No biggie.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- I don't have much of a problem getting bumped for a vital article. I just don't think that the point system has been refined very clearly yet. What about the article that gets no supports within 48 hours. Is it bumpable by another article? There should be a rule for such a situation.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- I think this is a four pointer. I think it would be stupid to deduct 2 points for exactly 30 days, and "within" is arguable. There are no half points, anyway. The date of Michigan homecoming was not relevant to Wheatley. We've been pretty liberal about date relevance here, but that would have pushed it beyond the limits.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. Maximum attention needed for this dehumanising disease and its ravages on every family with an affected member. JFW | T@lk 20:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support. actually has a day it can be connected to so - yeah. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support the date is a good reason, its already going to attract attention because of it so why not put it right out in front. Gnangarra 05:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - definitely good to get this on the Main Page for this date. --Aude (talk) 00:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support The points system isn't really work well if Alzheimer's disease risks to be eliminated from the mainpage on its own day for not having enough points; while a commercial gets the same bonus points for being nominated for its first air date. Nergaal (talk) 04:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
October 3
Replaced U2 which was requested for 25 September and had two points point...here
- Four points. noitulovE would be the first article on an advertisement in any medium to make the Main Page (two points). October 3 is the anniversary of its first broadcast, and this would be the first article by the primary contributor to make it through, making for a total of four points. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 21:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- Better prepare yourself for that one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
- support this date or hold until St Patrick's day 2009 Gnangarra 05:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
- oppose this seems a little random by having first broadcast date. Perhaps an award date? Something dealing with Guinness date? I like the St Patrick's day idea. People wont know the date for this ad, but would see a connection with something Guinness/Irish drinking related. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- The date of the original broadcast is listed in the suggested blurb, so I don't buy "people won't know the date for this ad". María (habla conmigo) 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- It may say it on the page, but I am talking about outside of the page. People wont see a connection until reading it, unlike other things. I would rather a more obvious connection. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- A minimal amount of reading is essential in any case, wouldn't you say? This being an encyclopedia and all. Not many people know off hand the flight numbers of the planes that crashed on 9/11 but once they read "9/11" in the blurb and recognize that it's the anniversary of 9/11, the connection is made clear. Like a film article TFA on the anniversary of the film's premiere date, this article has an explicit date connection. I don't think we can ask that all requested date connections be somehow intuitive. What about birthdays? Who knows off the top of their head what day Mary Shelley was born? María (habla conmigo) 18:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- I can't be persuaded by your great comparisons, because this is a commercial, verse notable people or things involved in notable events. If it was a big drinking day, then I could see the connection, but I would have to see a theme relationship and not a time relationship. Thats just me. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- So, if it were instead an advertisement for toilet paper, rather than beer, then would the date connection be appropriate? If so, why should this be any different? If not, what date would you propose that a toilet paper advertisement article be shown? How about if this were a feature length film instead of a commercial (say, Critical Assignment)? I just don't see why first broadcast dates should matter for films, television programmes, and radio shows, and not advertisements. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 23:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- If it was toilet paper, then I wouldn't say any date would be appropriate, unless there was some sort of national defecation day. Then, even still, I wouldn't like it. I would also not see the first broadcasting date work for a film, or anything like that. If it was the date of the Academy awards and it won an Academy award, sure. Golden globes? Maybe. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- So, if it were instead an advertisement for toilet paper, rather than beer, then would the date connection be appropriate? If so, why should this be any different? If not, what date would you propose that a toilet paper advertisement article be shown? How about if this were a feature length film instead of a commercial (say, Critical Assignment)? I just don't see why first broadcast dates should matter for films, television programmes, and radio shows, and not advertisements. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 23:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- I can't be persuaded by your great comparisons, because this is a commercial, verse notable people or things involved in notable events. If it was a big drinking day, then I could see the connection, but I would have to see a theme relationship and not a time relationship. Thats just me. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- A minimal amount of reading is essential in any case, wouldn't you say? This being an encyclopedia and all. Not many people know off hand the flight numbers of the planes that crashed on 9/11 but once they read "9/11" in the blurb and recognize that it's the anniversary of 9/11, the connection is made clear. Like a film article TFA on the anniversary of the film's premiere date, this article has an explicit date connection. I don't think we can ask that all requested date connections be somehow intuitive. What about birthdays? Who knows off the top of their head what day Mary Shelley was born? María (habla conmigo) 18:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- Is there an insinuation (or outright statement) that Irish people drink a lot or St. Patrick's Day is a celebration of binge drinking? My Irish half is trying to get offended, and is considering challenging those who are saying these things to a fight. My drunken Irish half would rather you pass another pint. --Moni3 (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- :P Is Guinness no longer Irish? I prefer Smithwicks, so, you can say it isn't. :) I can't think of any other Irishy dates, unless you want to get political. I don't think politics and alcohol mix, or only as a way in order to try to overcome/ignore politics. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- Is there an insinuation (or outright statement) that Irish people drink a lot or St. Patrick's Day is a celebration of binge drinking? My Irish half is trying to get offended, and is considering challenging those who are saying these things to a fight. My drunken Irish half would rather you pass another pint. --Moni3 (talk) 00:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- The article is not about Guinness, it's about an advert. The advert premiered on October 3, 2005. This day is mentioned in the blurb and in the first paragraph of the article. The advert won numerous awards on multiple days; these days are clearly not notable because they are not exclusive to the advert. The date connection is not tenuous or far fetched -- it's right there and it follows in the steps of many TFAs that coincided with premiere/broadcast anniversaries for not only films and TV shows but also albums, video games, etc. Okay, I'm done beating this horse after its untimely demise, but such an oppose irks me. I would lose what little faith I have left in this new TFA system were this request replaced simply because one baffling opinion tipped the "approval percentage" scales. María (habla conmigo) 03:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support: One of my favorite commercials and one that I wouldn't have seen if it hadn't been for this article. The date connection is, as I said above, quite obvious. St. Paddy's day would also be fitting, but with four points this has a fair chance. María (habla conmigo) 17:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support Just because Guinness is an Irish product, doesn't mean it has to be featured on St. Paddy's Day. Would a commercial for Coors have to be featured on the Fourth of July?--Wehwalt (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- Since it is directed towards me - Labor day, Memorial day, etc, are just fine. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 02:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose It just doesnt grab me, nor does "the first broadcast date" seem significant to me. «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l» (talk) 03:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support The first broadcast date seems significant enough to me. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - But not with that image, which doesn't even appear in the article. --Dweller (talk) 13:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)